Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:34 am
skidemin wrote:thomasblue wrote:skidemin wrote:thomasblue wrote:maccydee wrote:thomasblue wrote:kimble wrote:With you Annis..cue Thomasblue
Ok I will bite as its Christmas
Over a decade of running a proffesional football club at the highest level and multiple others around the world means he has no knowledge at all, smacks of jealously to me that Tan has done what others couldn't.
He is a very successful business man with a very good knowledge of the game from the inside , not just looking in like posters on here who think they know better.
Tan hasn’t been able to have us in court at other people’s insistence nor has he been able to sell players on the cheap. Nor does his regime leak information about goings on at the club.
That’s what I care about when I look at an owner.
The football should follow on nicely. It did when Warnock was our manager.
Thats another issue really. The club is closed info wise and hardly anything is leaked which people do not like .
Tannis the 4th longest serving owner in the championship
People bang on about "Football Men" running the club, how many of the owners of the premier and league clubs are ex players or managers ?
This hes not a football man argument doesn't stick anymore, in fact there is a very good argument that having a proper businessman in charge who is not emotionally invested is actually better for the club in the long run than a guy who will just throw money at it and get the club into financial trouble like certain other owners.
being whats regarded as a football man is not something you can buy....or something you earn over a period of time owning a club while most of that time your the other side of the world...it means you live football mate..
he has been a good chairman... probably our best ever , but you must be able to see what people mean ?
So because I am massively into football and have been all my life it means I would be a better owner of our club than somebody who has built huge worldwide companies from the ground up and made billions doing so ?
What i dont understand is the call for a football man to take over but nobody can actually say what they mean or even simply name one .
People do realise that football is actually about in Malaysia ?
They probably like it more than the British it is huge over there.
How long does he have to be in football to be classed a football man ? 10 years , 20 years ?
Even Sam Hamann wasn't a football man before Wimbledon he preferred Tennis. Does that mean he is not a football man ?
People only use it because he is running the club well and they don't like him. Simple as that. A decade of football ownership at this level gives him more knowledge of the inner workings of proffesional football than all of us put together. We can say sign this player or that manager , Sack the manager or board all we like. The truth is we don't know ow what is in the contracts or what is involved both financially and legally. This isn't a computer game.
no it does mean youd be a better owner...and the fact youve said that suggests your either not understanding...or do but would rather double down...
Sam... was hands on, he talked football all the time... talked to fans, players, coaches, people at other clubs...
no idea why your comparing Tans knowledge to ours either... when people say not a football man its really not themselves {} fans } they are thinking should be running the club, making decisions or giving advice... its people whose contacts and connections are working at this level ...
Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:10 am
thomasblue wrote:skidemin wrote:thomasblue wrote:skidemin wrote:thomasblue wrote:maccydee wrote:thomasblue wrote:kimble wrote:With you Annis..cue Thomasblue
Ok I will bite as its Christmas
Over a decade of running a proffesional football club at the highest level and multiple others around the world means he has no knowledge at all, smacks of jealously to me that Tan has done what others couldn't.
He is a very successful business man with a very good knowledge of the game from the inside , not just looking in like posters on here who think they know better.
Tan hasn’t been able to have us in court at other people’s insistence nor has he been able to sell players on the cheap. Nor does his regime leak information about goings on at the club.
That’s what I care about when I look at an owner.
The football should follow on nicely. It did when Warnock was our manager.
Thats another issue really. The club is closed info wise and hardly anything is leaked which people do not like .
Tannis the 4th longest serving owner in the championship
People bang on about "Football Men" running the club, how many of the owners of the premier and league clubs are ex players or managers ?
This hes not a football man argument doesn't stick anymore, in fact there is a very good argument that having a proper businessman in charge who is not emotionally invested is actually better for the club in the long run than a guy who will just throw money at it and get the club into financial trouble like certain other owners.
being whats regarded as a football man is not something you can buy....or something you earn over a period of time owning a club while most of that time your the other side of the world...it means you live football mate..
he has been a good chairman... probably our best ever , but you must be able to see what people mean ?
So because I am massively into football and have been all my life it means I would be a better owner of our club than somebody who has built huge worldwide companies from the ground up and made billions doing so ?
What i dont understand is the call for a football man to take over but nobody can actually say what they mean or even simply name one .
People do realise that football is actually about in Malaysia ?
They probably like it more than the British it is huge over there.
How long does he have to be in football to be classed a football man ? 10 years , 20 years ?
Even Sam Hamann wasn't a football man before Wimbledon he preferred Tennis. Does that mean he is not a football man ?
People only use it because he is running the club well and they don't like him. Simple as that. A decade of football ownership at this level gives him more knowledge of the inner workings of proffesional football than all of us put together. We can say sign this player or that manager , Sack the manager or board all we like. The truth is we don't know ow what is in the contracts or what is involved both financially and legally. This isn't a computer game.
no it does mean youd be a better owner...and the fact youve said that suggests your either not understanding...or do but would rather double down...
Sam... was hands on, he talked football all the time... talked to fans, players, coaches, people at other clubs...
no idea why your comparing Tans knowledge to ours either... when people say not a football man its really not themselves {} fans } they are thinking should be running the club, making decisions or giving advice... its people whose contacts and connections are working at this level ...
I understand fully but who are these football people ?
How are they football people , have they played the game , Managed , worked at a club Or just watched for years ? What makes someone a football man that would mean they would do a better job than our owners .
Who would you say can afford this club and is a football Man ?
Why would there contacts be any better than a man who has been personally working himself at this level for over a decade . Add in his directors , coaches and managers i would say the contacts are pretty widespread between the people at the club, especially given they are spread over multiple teams in multiple countries.
On Sam yes it seams he loved the day to day running of a football club and being in the spotlight but is that really better than a silent owner who runs this club fantastically Well and puts us on a solid financial footing for years to come ?
Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:23 pm
Big Hill Blue wrote:Let's get that bloke in that worked wonders at l'il old Bournemouth.
Statement of intent chaps
Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:34 pm
skidemin wrote:Big Hill Blue wrote:Let's get that bloke in that worked wonders at l'il old Bournemouth.
Statement of intent chaps
little old Bournemouth who broke FFP rules getting promoted and had to pay a 7.6 million fine ...
Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:32 pm
Sven wrote:skidemin wrote:Big Hill Blue wrote:Let's get that bloke in that worked wonders at l'il old Bournemouth.
Statement of intent chaps
little old Bournemouth who broke FFP rules getting promoted and had to pay a 7.6 million fine ...
Sadly, it was probably worth it given the 'prize' at the top end
Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:15 am
maccydee wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:You haven’t got to look very far up the M4 to see how a much better run club operates from a footballing perspective. Why we haven’t looked into this and learned from it is beyond me. With the VT investment and that fact that we are a bigger club the opportunity to have taken us a lot further than them is there to be seen, yet it’s been totally wasted and continues to be so.
Nice for them to get to pay a penny in the pound on their debts.
Better run? Those Americans are bleeding them dry. Wasn’t saying it last season when we finished above them.
Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:26 am
Carpe Diem wrote:maccydee wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:You haven’t got to look very far up the M4 to see how a much better run club operates from a footballing perspective. Why we haven’t looked into this and learned from it is beyond me. With the VT investment and that fact that we are a bigger club the opportunity to have taken us a lot further than them is there to be seen, yet it’s been totally wasted and continues to be so.
Nice for them to get to pay a penny in the pound on their debts.
Better run? Those Americans are bleeding them dry. Wasn’t saying it last season when we finished above them.
The “penny in the pound” is ancient history and well before they developed into the club they are now. Better run, more football savvy and vying for automatic this season. We are clueless in comparison, no football philosophy, living on 35% possession, virtually zero young player development and churning out abject performances on a regular basis. They will go up, we will stagnate at best and then we will all wonder why when it’s pretty obvious.
Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:38 am
maccydee wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:maccydee wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:You haven’t got to look very far up the M4 to see how a much better run club operates from a footballing perspective. Why we haven’t looked into this and learned from it is beyond me. With the VT investment and that fact that we are a bigger club the opportunity to have taken us a lot further than them is there to be seen, yet it’s been totally wasted and continues to be so.
Nice for them to get to pay a penny in the pound on their debts.
Better run? Those Americans are bleeding them dry. Wasn’t saying it last season when we finished above them.
The “penny in the pound” is ancient history and well before they developed into the club they are now. Better run, more football savvy and vying for automatic this season. We are clueless in comparison, no football philosophy, living on 35% possession, virtually zero young player development and churning out abject performances on a regular basis. They will go up, we will stagnate at best and then we will all wonder why when it’s pretty obvious.
They won’t go up.
What happened last year?
We beat them to Wilson and Moore.
Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:43 am
skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:maccydee wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:You haven’t got to look very far up the M4 to see how a much better run club operates from a footballing perspective. Why we haven’t looked into this and learned from it is beyond me. With the VT investment and that fact that we are a bigger club the opportunity to have taken us a lot further than them is there to be seen, yet it’s been totally wasted and continues to be so.
Nice for them to get to pay a penny in the pound on their debts.
Better run? Those Americans are bleeding them dry. Wasn’t saying it last season when we finished above them.
The “penny in the pound” is ancient history and well before they developed into the club they are now. Better run, more football savvy and vying for automatic this season. We are clueless in comparison, no football philosophy, living on 35% possession, virtually zero young player development and churning out abject performances on a regular basis. They will go up, we will stagnate at best and then we will all wonder why when it’s pretty obvious.
They won’t go up.
What happened last year?
We beat them to Wilson and Moore.
last year...they started with a 60 million pound hole in their finances....sold their best 2 players... and still made the play offs with a somewhat unexpected managerial appointment... they did not pluck Cooper out of the yellow pages... they appointed him by having people within the club with a wealth of football knowledge...and football contacts...advising ....
no tan is not a football man... or are choo and dalman.. none of which is a crime , and saying it is not illogical..what is illogical is thinking people that spend their lives working in any industry who live and breathe it are no more knowledgeable than a chap who spends his time thousands of miles away just because he is the owner......probably he knows the business side inside out but thats not the same thing...
Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:26 am
Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:09 pm
Sven wrote:skidemin wrote:maccydee wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:maccydee wrote:Carpe Diem wrote:You haven’t got to look very far up the M4 to see how a much better run club operates from a footballing perspective. Why we haven’t looked into this and learned from it is beyond me. With the VT investment and that fact that we are a bigger club the opportunity to have taken us a lot further than them is there to be seen, yet it’s been totally wasted and continues to be so.
Nice for them to get to pay a penny in the pound on their debts.
Better run? Those Americans are bleeding them dry. Wasn’t saying it last season when we finished above them.
The “penny in the pound” is ancient history and well before they developed into the club they are now. Better run, more football savvy and vying for automatic this season. We are clueless in comparison, no football philosophy, living on 35% possession, virtually zero young player development and churning out abject performances on a regular basis. They will go up, we will stagnate at best and then we will all wonder why when it’s pretty obvious.
They won’t go up.
What happened last year?
We beat them to Wilson and Moore.
last year...they started with a 60 million pound hole in their finances....sold their best 2 players... and still made the play offs with a somewhat unexpected managerial appointment... they did not pluck Cooper out of the yellow pages... they appointed him by having people within the club with a wealth of football knowledge...and football contacts...advising ....
no tan is not a football man... or are choo and dalman.. none of which is a crime , and saying it is not illogical..what is illogical is thinking people that spend their lives working in any industry who live and breathe it are no more knowledgeable than a chap who spends his time thousands of miles away just because he is the owner......probably he knows the business side inside out but thats not the same thing...
Is Mehmet Dalman not a 'football' man...?
Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:10 pm
montyblue wrote:Well thats the last £10 i am going to waste on cardiff city tv we look nothung like a top 6 team granted we have a few out but we new that would happen before the season started and trimned the sqaud right down and lost a lot cover ARRIS first mistake before we had kicked a ball and its gone down hill since
How many excuses are we going to take before things change
I ask myself how many cardiff fans are happy with the way we are playing
surely not many.
Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:40 pm
Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:24 pm
montyblue wrote:Come on dalhman time to step upto the plate
Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:33 pm