Heartbreaking !!

If only 10% of this country were as well informed, questioning the status quo and motives behind it, and articulate as ealing_ayatollah this country would be in a much better place.

Thanks for the kind words mate. V much appreciated

I 2nd that,very well put together posts,on a consistent basis too.

I don't agree with everything that Nukes posts or believes in......but he is very close, if not spot on, with many of his comments.

I'm not sure whether the "anti Nukes" posters, for want of a better term, actually listen to, or hear, his substance.

Sorry to piss on most of your chips, but there are nefarious groups at work, and unfortunately they control/own the MSM and the narrative that is spun. Whilst I see that some would be duped by this, I am still shocked that the majority jump on people with a different view to the lie they have been spun.

As soon as someone says "Conspiracy Theory" in their argument, or defence, I know they have no clue about what they are debating.

Please don't walk over the cliff, think for yourself, ignore what I have written, but equally ignore the BBC et al.

If only 10% of this country were as well informed, questioning the status quo and motives behind it, and articulate as ealing_ayatollah this country would be in a much better place.

For the life of me I cannot understand how so many of you have just turned into sheep, blindly following MSM's scare tactics, believing politicians that do not give a f**k about you, and ultimately surrendering your freedoms at a whim!!!

You are the same people who laud our valiant servicemen for their achievements on D Day and beyond. Those poor Souls will be turning in their graves looking at us lot now and think "Why did I even bother"!!!

What a pile of bull. Not the Ealing bit but the bit trying to emotionally blackmail people out if they beliefs because they don’t fit with yours.

More jobs will go in the next year - Sad times ahead - Sadly

The decision was made that it would be the small business owners who would have to be sacrificed while Amazon and the likes have record profits.

Covid has been awful for some sectors (tourism, leisure etc) but massively beneficial to others (online retail etc).

There are lots of small business owners for whom covid has increased their profits massively, whilst massive travel and high street companies have been ruined by covid.

It's sectors that have been sacrificed not 'small business owners'.

I don't agree with everything that Nukes posts or believes in......but he is very close, if not spot on, with many of his comments.

I'm not sure whether the "anti Nukes" posters, for want of a better term, actually listen to, or hear, his substance.

Sorry to piss on most of your chips, but there are nefarious groups at work, and unfortunately they control/own the MSM and the narrative that is spun. Whilst I see that some would be duped by this, I am still shocked that the majority jump on people with a different view to the lie they have been spun.

As soon as someone says "Conspiracy Theory" in their argument, or defence, I know they have no clue about what they are debating.

Please don't walk over the cliff, think for yourself, ignore what I have written, but equally ignore the BBC et al.

No one can agree on everything someone says but thank you. An earlier post I said why I don’t believe in what they are telling us from the people filmed dying on Wuhan streets to finding out hospitals were not in fact full but mostly empty.
I just looked at things logically and I realised they are not trying to protect us but destroy most people. I’m quite into health and fitness and I can see everything they have done goes against the very ethos of what I know and believe in. The last few days we have heard about the threatened closure of so many shops and retail it’s crazy. And who then comes along to maybe buy them out ? Mike Ashley. He will soon have the monopoly of the high streets and that isn’t good.
We got told early doors to get used to the “New normal” and they wasn’t kidding. I just don’t think many are aware of what the New normal is. I could list everything that have turned my opinion on Covid 19 but I’ve already done that. Again thanks for sharing my concerns in what is happening Chief.

If only 10% of this country were as well informed, questioning the status quo and motives behind it, and articulate as ealing_ayatollah this country would be in a much better place.

For the life of me I cannot understand how so many of you have just turned into sheep, blindly following MSM's scare tactics, believing politicians that do not give a f**k about you, and ultimately surrendering your freedoms at a whim!!!

You are the same people who laud our valiant servicemen for their achievements on D Day and beyond. Those poor Souls will be turning in their graves looking at us lot now and think "Why did I even bother"!!!

What a pile of bull. Not the Ealing bit but the bit trying to emotionally blackmail people out if they beliefs because they don’t fit with yours.

so emotional blackmail is not allowed ...despite the whole covid scare being built on emotional blackmail from day 1..in fact tell me one single thing from 10 months thats not backed purely by emotional blackmail...so why why not bring on a bit of level headedness.. context and reverse emotional blackmail that can actually be backed up.......people really really really need to grasp that this is not sacrifice a holiday , wear a mask and save the world...its more often than not save an 85 year old whose life expectancy is a year...but kill someone else instead in doing so.... the score with me is.. covid deaths of people i know zero...people killed by coronaphobia 2 .

If only 10% of this country were as well informed, questioning the status quo and motives behind it, and articulate as ealing_ayatollah this country would be in a much better place.

Thanks for the kind words mate. V much appreciated

I 2nd that,very well put together posts,on a consistent basis too.

Cheers mate nice of you to say

The decision was made that it would be the small business owners who would have to be sacrificed while Amazon and the likes have record profits.

Covid has been awful for some sectors (tourism, leisure etc) but massively beneficial to others (online retail etc).

There are lots of small business owners for whom covid has increased their profits massively, whilst massive travel and high street companies have been ruined by covid.

It's sectors that have been sacrificed not 'small business owners'.

Regardless of sector, for every big company that struggles, there will be smaller companies in its supply chain reliant on them.

Small businesses have undoubtedly been hit the worst and have less resilience to such a sustained economic impact.

Some small businesses will flourish sure, but they will be the exception not the rule.

I pray to God I'm one of them and I'm fighting with everything I got and have been doing 12 - 15 hour days since March and working every weekend as well. We might just make it but its damn tough and I know a lot of businesses that are either gone or on the brink.

Its hard to see when you know these people have put everything they have (and I dont just mean money) into building a business so they can support their family to see them fail through no fault of their own and when it could have been avoided.

People die all the time of one thing or an other. I for quite warming to this new way of living. Did most of my Xmas shopping the other day in less than 2 hours would have taken at least all day if not some of the next day. Everything is cleaner and more efficient people I find are nicer more courteous and patient. I don’t miss pubs cinema or restaurants now it’s something we don’t need it a luxury just like I don’t need to fly around the world. I for one like this new way of life it suits me fine.

I’ve known 4 that have died of COVID directly no if or buts and 7 whole have long COVID and they lives how now changed massively all from the health sector. Not including friends of friends.

Amount of people I know who have died of other things zero.

The decision was made that it would be the small business owners who would have to be sacrificed while Amazon and the likes have record profits.

Covid has been awful for some sectors (tourism, leisure etc) but massively beneficial to others (online retail etc).

There are lots of small business owners for whom covid has increased their profits massively, whilst massive travel and high street companies have been ruined by covid.

It's sectors that have been sacrificed not 'small business owners'.

Regardless of sector, for every big company that struggles, there will be smaller companies in its supply chain reliant on them.

Small businesses have undoubtedly been hit the worst and have less resilience to such a sustained economic impact.

Some small businesses will flourish sure, but they will be the exception not the rule.

I pray to God I'm one of them and I'm fighting with everything I got and have been doing 12 - 15 hour days since March and working every weekend as well. We might just make it but its damn tough and I know a lot of businesses that are either gone or on the brink.

Its hard to see when you know these people have put everything they have (and I dont just mean money) into building a business so they can support their family to see them fail through no fault of their own and when it could have been avoided.

People who don’t own business have lost they income they just as badly effected as business owners and these had jobs at bigger companies these people are no less important.

But unfortunately people lose jobs and business all the time this is not a new thing.

I can't wait for the vaccine. Any fucker who doesn't have it (except for medical reasons) should be refused NHS treatment benefits travel and going to work if they catch covid. f**k em that's what I say.
Maybe there's one job they should be allowed to do. Hospital
Porter.

I won’t be having the vaccine.

The decision was made that it would be the small business owners who would have to be sacrificed while Amazon and the likes have record profits.

Covid has been awful for some sectors (tourism, leisure etc) but massively beneficial to others (online retail etc).

There are lots of small business owners for whom covid has increased their profits massively, whilst massive travel and high street companies have been ruined by covid.

It's sectors that have been sacrificed not 'small business owners'.

Regardless of sector, for every big company that struggles, there will be smaller companies in its supply chain reliant on them.

Small businesses have undoubtedly been hit the worst and have less resilience to such a sustained economic impact.

Some small businesses will flourish sure, but they will be the exception not the rule.

I pray to God I'm one of them and I'm fighting with everything I got and have been doing 12 - 15 hour days since March and working every weekend as well. We might just make it but its damn tough and I know a lot of businesses that are either gone or on the brink.

Its hard to see when you know these people have put everything they have (and I dont just mean money) into building a business so they can support their family to see them fail through no fault of their own and when it could have been avoided.

People who don’t own business have lost they income they just as badly effected as business owners and these had jobs at bigger companies these people are no less important.

But unfortunately people lose jobs and business all the time this is not a new thing.

Small businesses account for three fifths of all employment in the UK. It is not just the business owners themselves hurt by their businesses failing.

Try having the responsibility of those who work for you on your shoulders, people who you are close to, having the responsibility for making sure they can support their family.

I've paid my staff before myself every single month since lockdown because I know they depend on me and a more than a few times I've not been able to pay myself despite the fact that I'm working every hour under the sun, it's what business owners do and trust me it is damn hard and a lot of us won't make it through to the other side.

But as long as its nice an easy to do your Christmas shopping I guess its all worth it.

Question, where have you heard the man in the photo is crying because he "lost his business that he poured his life into due to the bonkers restrictions"?

Using a reverse image search engine the only place this image seems to originate from is a Daily Mail article which mentions nothing like you've described.

The quote attached to the picture says "An anti-lockdown protester weeps as he is arrested by police outside King's Cross station in central London today"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... t-him.html

That's the article the original picture comes from, if you can find something in there to support your claim feel free to point it out to me. The Daily Mail has a horrible website so I only skimmed it.

You beat me to it. I reverse imaged it as well. ive lost count the number of images Ive seen posted that someone has then attributed it to something else

You can tell who on here gets their news from places like Facebook where they believe literally anything and everything posted that aligns with their view, its just pure ignorance.

The decision was made that it would be the small business owners who would have to be sacrificed while Amazon and the likes have record profits.

Covid has been awful for some sectors (tourism, leisure etc) but massively beneficial to others (online retail etc).

There are lots of small business owners for whom covid has increased their profits massively, whilst massive travel and high street companies have been ruined by covid.

It's sectors that have been sacrificed not 'small business owners'.

Regardless of sector, for every big company that struggles, there will be smaller companies in its supply chain reliant on them.

Small businesses have undoubtedly been hit the worst and have less resilience to such a sustained economic impact.

Some small businesses will flourish sure, but they will be the exception not the rule.

I pray to God I'm one of them and I'm fighting with everything I got and have been doing 12 - 15 hour days since March and working every weekend as well. We might just make it but its damn tough and I know a lot of businesses that are either gone or on the brink.

Its hard to see when you know these people have put everything they have (and I dont just mean money) into building a business so they can support their family to see them fail through no fault of their own and when it could have been avoided.

People who don’t own business have lost they income they just as badly effected as business owners and these had jobs at bigger companies these people are no less important.

But unfortunately people lose jobs and business all the time this is not a new thing.

Small businesses account for three fifths of all employment in the UK. It is not just the business owners themselves hurt by their businesses failing.

Try having the responsibility of those who work for you on your shoulders, people who you are close to, having the responsibility for making sure they can support their family.

I've paid my staff before myself every single month since lockdown because I know they depend on me and a more than a few times I've not been able to pay myself despite the fact that I'm working every hour under the sun, it's what business owners do and trust me it is damn hard and a lot of us won't make it through to the other side.

But as long as its nice an easy to do your Christmas shopping I guess its all worth it.

Amongst many other things. It’s swings and roundabouts. Good business people will come out of this ok but those that can’t adapt and blame others won’t they will fail but they would have anyway. Like I said this is not a new thing like you said small business employs 60% of the work force unemployment isn’t 60% so they still ticking over.

I’ve known 4 that have died of COVID directly no if or buts

Statistically the chance of you knowing four people who died directly of Covid is 575 times less likely than you getting hit by lightning.

Thats pretty damn unlucky

I can't wait for the vaccine. Any fucker who doesn't have it (except for medical reasons) should be refused NHS treatment benefits travel and going to work if they catch covid. f**k em that's what I say.
Maybe there's one job they should be allowed to do. Hospital
Porter.

the NHS should be refusing treatment to anyone thats taken experimental substances and then has side effects...... if the government are leaving pharmaceutical companies off the hook regarding liability why should our NHS pick up the tab...fck em i say leave the junkies rot....

I’ve known 4 that have died of COVID directly no if or buts

Statistically the chance of you knowing four people who died directly of Covid is 575 times less likely than you getting hit by lightning.

Thats pretty damn unlucky

he might work in a care home ?

I’ve known 4 that have died of COVID directly no if or buts

Statistically the chance of you knowing four people who died directly of Covid is 575 times less likely than you getting hit by lightning.

Thats pretty damn unlucky

For the average member of public maybe.

I’ve known 4 that have died of COVID directly no if or buts

Statistically the chance of you knowing four people who died directly of Covid is 575 times less likely than you getting hit by lightning.

Thats pretty damn unlucky

For the average member of public maybe.

Sorry 007 didn't mean to blow your cover.

Assuming the people you knew that died directly with Covid, with no co-morbidity were from Wales that would mean statistically you would have known 3% of all welsh people who died directly from Covid.

Whatever you do don't break a mirror or walk under a ladder and for the love of God avoid any and all black cats or you might end up triggering a third wave.

I’ve known 4 that have died of COVID directly no if or buts

Statistically the chance of you knowing four people who died directly of Covid is 575 times less likely than you getting hit by lightning.

Thats pretty damn unlucky

he might work in a care home ?

Yeah fair enough I was being petty, and annoyed at the life is better now and screw everyone else attitude but your right and I should have responded better.

Mark, sorry for being a dick mate. This shite gets to the best of us and I'm a long way from that bracket

I’ve known 4 that have died of COVID directly no if or buts

Statistically the chance of you knowing four people who died directly of Covid is 575 times less likely than you getting hit by lightning.

Thats pretty damn unlucky

he might work in a care home ?

Yeah fair enough I was being petty, and annoyed at the life is better now and screw everyone else attitude but your right and I should have responded better.

Mark, sorry for being a dick mate. This shite gets to the best of us and I'm a long way from that bracket

i was going to respond similar to yourself only using a lottery analogy but then realised he might work in a care home... certainly not anything like my experience or anyone ive spoken to..

I don’t live in wales either.

And no offence taken. I accept people have they own views on things and experience the same thing in different ways. I’ve been on the bad end of things when others have been on good.

I don’t live in wales either.

And no offence taken. I accept people have they own views on things and experience the same thing in different ways. I’ve been on the bad end of things when others have been on good.

These opposing views show there are no winners in this Health v Wealth situation, and this is the dilemma all governments face, how to try and keep economies going without overwhelming the health systems, and sadly there is no easy answer.

I don’t live in wales either.

And no offence taken. I accept people have they own views on things and experience the same thing in different ways. I’ve been on the bad end of things when others have been on good.

These opposing views show there are no winners in this Health v Wealth situation, and this is the dilemma all governments face, how to try and keep economies going without overwhelming the health systems, and sadly there is no easy answer.

What is strange is that most of the people are against lockdowns are the same people who are dead set against taking a vaccine to try and end the measures?

Read a few of the comments and gave up! Just going to leave the following article for you to take a look at if one photos is what has got you all hyped up!

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/ph ... t-for-life

Read a few of the comments and gave up! Just going to leave the following article for you to take a look at if one photos is what has got you all hyped up!

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/ph ... t-for-life

You cant argue with those that choose to be ignorant and stupid.

This is a much better view. At least the photos come with the story, rather than a random photo in which anything could happen and a reason being made up to fit his agenda in some crazy way way to scare people in to his opinion of events. Ironic really considering he bangs on about government MSM etc using scare tactics. Lmao.

I don’t live in wales either.

And no offence taken. I accept people have they own views on things and experience the same thing in different ways. I’ve been on the bad end of things when others have been on good.

These opposing views show there are no winners in this Health v Wealth situation, and this is the dilemma all governments face, how to try and keep economies going without overwhelming the health systems, and sadly there is no easy answer.

What is strange is that most of the people are against lockdowns are the same people who are dead set against taking a vaccine to try and end the measures?

For me at least mate as I won't speak for anyone else, its about more than simple wealth.

It is about having the freedom to stand on your own two feet, to make something that you are proud of and to be reliant on nothing other than your own endeavour.

That is where the parallel lies for me with the vaccine. It is about having the most basic of freedoms taken away, I.e. the freedom to choose what is best for me.

As I've said many times I'm not anti vaccination, my kids both had their jabs when they were babies and I've had many travel related vaccinations.

It is when people quite happily talk about restrictions on those that don't want it and mandatory vaccination (whether it be force or coercion it is mandatory) that it goes against my grain. It is the removal of autonomy and taking freedom of choice away that lies at the heart of my argument. Neither wealth nor any other metric is more important to me than liberty.

The same argument the goes for lockdowns, it is stripping away of our freedoms.

I guess some people would rather take a chance to live and die free and others (far more than I would ever imagined to be honest) would be happy living the rest of their lives in a gilded cage.

What I'm realising is that a lot more people fall into the latter camp and those that do don't really even understand the importance of the freedoms, the right to fail or succeed on your own merit, that others of us hold so sacred.

For those who cant understand that position, then being against both lockdowns and vaccines will, of course, seem entirely illogical. I can understand that.

Yey, for those of us who do value liberty as sacrosanct, lockdown and mandatory vaccination are two symptoms of the very same evil.

I'm not saying one side is wrong or right, just that the perspectives are coming from wildly different starting points