The Vaccine has landed- a giant step for mankind !!!

Anti-vax views 'nonsense'

It comes as officials said no decision has yet been made on how people under the age of 50 should be offered a Covid vaccine.

The current priority list of people who would get a vaccine in "phase one" starts with those living and working in care homes, then - in stages - everyone over 60 years old.

But the list is subject to change, with close attention being paid to how the vaccines work in older age groups, who often have a weak response to immunisation.

Attention has turned to how a vaccine will be rolled out after Pfizer and BioNTech revealed their vaccine protects more than 90% of people from developing Covid symptoms.

The prime minister urged everybody to get a coronavirus vaccine once one becomes available, adding that the arguments of anti-vaccination activists were "total nonsense".

Anti-vax views 'nonsense'

It comes as officials said no decision has yet been made on how people under the age of 50 should be offered a Covid vaccine.

The current priority list of people who would get a vaccine in "phase one" starts with those living and working in care homes, then - in stages - everyone over 60 years old.

But the list is subject to change, with close attention being paid to how the vaccines work in older age groups, who often have a weak response to immunisation.

Attention has turned to how a vaccine will be rolled out after Pfizer and BioNTech revealed their vaccine protects more than 90% of people from developing Covid symptoms.

The prime minister urged everybody to get a coronavirus vaccine once one becomes available, adding that the arguments of anti-vaccination activists were "total nonsense".

Went to the dentist today.He was saying they have been approached to administer the vaccine.
A friend of mine has been on pfizer trial no side effects.6 months in.

Anti-vax views 'nonsense'

It comes as officials said no decision has yet been made on how people under the age of 50 should be offered a Covid vaccine.

The current priority list of people who would get a vaccine in "phase one" starts with those living and working in care homes, then - in stages - everyone over 60 years old.

But the list is subject to change, with close attention being paid to how the vaccines work in older age groups, who often have a weak response to immunisation.

Attention has turned to how a vaccine will be rolled out after Pfizer and BioNTech revealed their vaccine protects more than 90% of people from developing Covid symptoms.

The prime minister urged everybody to get a coronavirus vaccine once one becomes available, adding that the arguments of anti-vaccination activists were "total nonsense".

Went to the dentist today.He was saying they have been approached to administer the vaccine.
A friend of mine has been on pfizer trial no side effects.6 months in.

People were saying the vaccine would take years to come, and that it would take a year or more to administer, you watch they will get it done in record time, with the army, dentists all occupations with medical training help get the job done.

It might be a bit odd going to the vets for a jab though?

Just one additional thought on this. If there is a vaccine that is 90% effective, and the virus as we know has an incredibly low mortality rate anyway, why would a vaccination need to be mandatory?

Surely, if you take the vaccine you have 90% protection against a virus with a morbidity rate of 0.66% (and that is factoring in the increased morbidity rate of 7.8% of over 80-year-olds)

Now I'm no maths whizz so I may have the numbers here wrong, but wouldn't that mean that someone who has taken the vaccination has a statistical chance of dying from the virus of 0.066 now as the danger of catching it when vaccinated is now a tenth of what it was? Like I say I may have my maths wrong here but even if I do you get the general point.

If a vaccine reduces someone's chance of dying from Covid to less then a tenth of a per cent, surely there is no danger to the vaccinated from those who have chosen not to take it? If this is the case, then surely the conversation is no longer - 'you have to take it for the sake of others and the greater good' and we can go back to allowing people a personal choice regarding their own bodily autonomy?

This seems so clear cut that I must have missed something obvious here, some I'm happy to be corrected if someone has the answer.

The main problem with the virus is that it spreads so easily, the NHS can't cope and we've had two waves with full restrictions and two full lockdowns already.

It's caused absolute chaos and will continue to do so until the vast majority of the population are protected against it either by immunity or vaccination.

Only 10% of the population has had it so if only so there is 90% left to get the vaccine.

So if 40% take it up and everyone is allowed in planes and pubs, 50% of the population would still be spreading and catching it so the NHS still wouldn't be able to cope? Remember even with restrictions it spreads like wildfire, in the new world without restrictions it would spread even quicker in the non-vaccinated community.

The only way to allow everyone back to normality is for the majority 70% plus to have the vaccine.

One last fact, they have said that people with the vaccine could still get the virus and may be spreading it's just that they won't feel ill, as the immune will attack it immediately, so those people wouldn't be taking any distancing measures and spreading it to the anti-vaxxers.

Great point well made.

In addition, the point that if the majority of the public take the vaccine then the non vaxxers have nothing to worry about as the action of the pro vaxxers will inherently cause the virus to basically disappear; sadly very much mirrors the position taken by conscientious objectors in the World Wars. Whilst society did not prevent those objectors sharing in the ultimate benefits of victory, society felt it was within its rights to introduce consequential rules which ensured the objectors lost their freedom during the war, whilst everyone else stoically put their lives on the line to achieve the desired outcome.

.your seriously comparing a bunch of people completely terrified out of their wits with brave men...... your the exact opposite plus some.... they fought against. authoritarians, restrictions and for freedom of choice and our civil liberties..
pretty clear your trying to feel better about yourself and convince yourself you would have been in the front lines and not the conscientious objector you fear you might have been....but its not worked mate..

You are talking rubbish mate and completely missed the point of my comments. What I am trying to illustrate is that if anyone exercises their right not to take a vaccine that our government and experts assure us will directly reduce the effectiveness of the virus spreading, then that must inherently mean that same government will consider those who refuse the vaccine to be doing the opposite. In such cases I would expect the government to instigate restrictions on the ability for the voluntary non vaccinated to interact with those who have been or intend to be vaccinated until such time as they are no longer a danger to the rest of the population. That will only occur when the rest of the population has received sufficient vaccinations to achieve herd immunity or the voluntary non vaxxers gain natural immunity or present themselves for vaccination.
Finally, I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything; I'm just stating my opinion and what I intend to do - it seems by your own words, you are the one "...completely terrified out of their wits" about a vaccine not me and you seem pretty convinced of your position already without any convincing from me - even if I felt prone to offer it. I will take the vaccine as soon as its available and if my immunity reduces the chance - albeit minimally - of you and yours becoming infected, then I'm very happy to do my bit.

They said they can vaccinate around a million people a week but expect to have us back to normal by February. By my maths in a population of nearly 70 million that would make it February 2022 until everyone recieved it.

Also , the government have stated that older people over 80 will get the vacine first . Wouldnt it be better to vaccinate everyone who is in employment first to get our economy up and running whilst the older generation isolate so the country doesn't go bankrupt ?
Can we really afford to wait possibly until next summer to get everyone out of the house and back in the office ? This is why I think they have extended furlough until March . Because they know it will take that long to roll it out and then announce that once working age people take the vacine they are free to go out unrestricted.

One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus. The vaccine is supposed to produce antibodies to fight the virus once it is in your system. There is nothing I have read to suggest that you will not be able to still pass the virus on to others. So in theory the virus may spread even quicker because people may think they cannot spread the virus once they have the vaccine.

Add to this that the testing was only carried out on young and healthy people (with a 90% success rate) and we are still left with a black hole for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

Have they tested the vaccine on anyone who has caught the virus? I don't know.

Has it been given to those with the virus in intensive care? Again nothing has been reported.

Giving it to healthy people and getting good results is not enough for me. I'd like for them to give it to people with the virus and see those results before I decide to take the vaccine.

Bluebina
It might be a bit odd going to the vets for a jab though? [/quote]
We'll get better treatment and care at the vets.
My cat was ill in the lockdown he got to see a vet in person.
When I had a problem with my health all I got was a telephone conversation with the nurse.

Wow! Over 90% effective?? Yet the flu vaccine,after donkeys years of research,averages out arond 40/60% effective(cdc figure)and has around 76% effective rate in hiv adults! Thats some going by the scientists/researchers,and so quick in developing a jab with huge % success rate,against a virus!! Perhaps now they can cure that killer of millions,the good old flu itself.
With a proposed success rate that high,no need for testing then? After all,the vaccine will succeed in over 90% of those that take it?

Moderna vaccine almost 95% effective this is great news after the Pfizer vaccine news last week, all we need now is to get the message across to the people who are still concerned, these are real game-changers, 11 vaccine's in final trials now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54902908

Bluebina
It might be a bit odd going to the vets for a jab though?

We'll get better treatment and care at the vets.
My cat was ill in the lockdown he got to see a vet in person.
When I had a problem with my health all I got was a telephone conversation with the nurse.
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Ha ha true and of course vets have seven years training because a dog can't tell you what's wrong!

One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus. The vaccine is supposed to produce antibodies to fight the virus once it is in your system. There is nothing I have read to suggest that you will not be able to still pass the virus on to others. So in theory the virus may spread even quicker because people may think they cannot spread the virus once they have the vaccine.

Add to this that the testing was only carried out on young and healthy people (with a 90% success rate) and we are still left with a black hole for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

Have they tested the vaccine on anyone who has caught the virus? I don't know.

Has it been given to those with the virus in intensive care? Again nothing has been reported.

Giving it to healthy people and getting good results is not enough for me. I'd like for them to give it to people with the virus and see those results before I decide to take the vaccine.

Well said Stan, been saying this all along

One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus. The vaccine is supposed to produce antibodies to fight the virus once it is in your system. There is nothing I have read to suggest that you will not be able to still pass the virus on to others. So in theory the virus may spread even quicker because people may think they cannot spread the virus once they have the vaccine.

Add to this that the testing was only carried out on young and healthy people (with a 90% success rate) and we are still left with a black hole for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

Have they tested the vaccine on anyone who has caught the virus? I don't know.

Has it been given to those with the virus in intensive care? Again nothing has been reported.

Giving it to healthy people and getting good results is not enough for me. I'd like for them to give it to people with the virus and see those results before I decide to take the vaccine.

Well said Stan, been saying this all along

It's not correct, people may be able to pass it on, it's not conclusive yet, and the husband in the Pfizer teams said that even if you can pass it on, it will still dramatically reduce the number of people who can pass it on.

It's true this is still a bit of an issue though.

And the Pfizer was tested on 30% to 40% old people and was effective.

One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus. The vaccine is supposed to produce antibodies to fight the virus once it is in your system. There is nothing I have read to suggest that you will not be able to still pass the virus on to others. So in theory the virus may spread even quicker because people may think they cannot spread the virus once they have the vaccine.

Add to this that the testing was only carried out on young and healthy people (with a 90% success rate) and we are still left with a black hole for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

Have they tested the vaccine on anyone who has caught the virus? I don't know.

Has it been given to those with the virus in intensive care? Again nothing has been reported.

Giving it to healthy people and getting good results is not enough for me. I'd like for them to give it to people with the virus and see those results before I decide to take the vaccine.

Well said Stan, been saying this all along

It's not correct, people may be able to pass it on, it's not conclusive yet, and the husband in the Pfizer teams said that even if you can pass it on, it will still dramatically reduce the number of people who can pass it on.

It's true this is still a bit of an issue though.

And the Pfizer was tested on 30% to 40% old people and was effective.

I thought that was what Stan was asking, he did not state what was correct or not!

One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus. The vaccine is supposed to produce antibodies to fight the virus once it is in your system. There is nothing I have read to suggest that you will not be able to still pass the virus on to others. So in theory the virus may spread even quicker because people may think they cannot spread the virus once they have the vaccine.

Add to this that the testing was only carried out on young and healthy people (with a 90% success rate) and we are still left with a black hole for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

Have they tested the vaccine on anyone who has caught the virus? I don't know.

Has it been given to those with the virus in intensive care? Again nothing has been reported.

Giving it to healthy people and getting good results is not enough for me. I'd like for them to give it to people with the virus and see those results before I decide to take the vaccine.

Well said Stan, been saying this all along

It's not correct, people may be able to pass it on, it's not conclusive yet, and the husband in the Pfizer teams said that even if you can pass it on, it will still dramatically reduce the number of people who can pass it on.

It's true this is still a bit of an issue though.

And the Pfizer was tested on 30% to 40% old people and was effective.

I thought that was what Stan was asking, he did not state what was correct or not!

Great news after the Pfizer vaccine news last week, all we need now is to get the message across to the people who are still concerned, these are real game-changers, 11 vaccine's in final trials now

"One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus."

I've read what he was saying that we could still catch it, but not get ill and pass it on, but they are not sure, that's still to be confirmed either way.

One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus. The vaccine is supposed to produce antibodies to fight the virus once it is in your system. There is nothing I have read to suggest that you will not be able to still pass the virus on to others. So in theory the virus may spread even quicker because people may think they cannot spread the virus once they have the vaccine.

Add to this that the testing was only carried out on young and healthy people (with a 90% success rate) and we are still left with a black hole for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

Have they tested the vaccine on anyone who has caught the virus? I don't know.

Has it been given to those with the virus in intensive care? Again nothing has been reported.

Giving it to healthy people and getting good results is not enough for me. I'd like for them to give it to people with the virus and see those results before I decide to take the vaccine.

Well said Stan, been saying this all along

It's not correct, people may be able to pass it on, it's not conclusive yet, and the husband in the Pfizer teams said that even if you can pass it on, it will still dramatically reduce the number of people who can pass it on.

It's true this is still a bit of an issue though.

And the Pfizer was tested on 30% to 40% old people and was effective.

I thought that was what Stan was asking, he did not state what was correct or not!

Great news after the Pfizer vaccine news last week, all we need now is to get the message across to the people who are still concerned, these are real game-changers, 11 vaccine's in final trials now

"One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus."

I've read what he was saying that we could still catch it, but not get ill and pass it on, but they are not sure, that's still to be confirmed either way.

A new vaccine that protects against Covid-19 is nearly 95% effective, early data from US company Moderna shows.

The results come hot on the heels of similar results from Pfizer, and add to growing confidence that vaccines can help end the pandemic.

Both companies used a highly innovative and experimental approach to designing their vaccines.

Moderna says it is a "great day" and they plan to apply for approval to use the vaccine in the next few weeks.

However, this is still early data and key questions remain unanswered.

How good is it?

The trial involved 30,000 people in the US with half being given two doses of the vaccine, four weeks apart. The rest had dummy injections.

The analysis was based on the first 95 to develop Covid-19 symptoms.

Only five of the Covid cases were in people given the vaccine, 90 were in those given the dummy treatment. The company says the vaccine is protecting 94.5% of people.

The data also shows there were 11 cases of severe Covid in the trial, but none happened in people who were immunised.

"The overall effectiveness has been remarkable... it's a great day," Tal Zaks, the chief medical officer at Moderna, told BBC News.

Dr Stephen Hoge, the company's president, said he "grinned ear to ear for a minute" when the results came in.

He told BBC News: "I don't think any of us really hoped that the vaccine would be 94% effective at preventing Covid-19 disease, that was really a stunning realisation."

They said they can vaccinate around a million people a week but expect to have us back to normal by February. By my maths in a population of nearly 70 million that would make it February 2022 until everyone recieved it.

Also , the government have stated that older people over 80 will get the vacine first . Wouldnt it be better to vaccinate everyone who is in employment first to get our economy up and running whilst the older generation isolate so the country doesn't go bankrupt ?
Can we really afford to wait possibly until next summer to get everyone out of the house and back in the office ? This is why I think they have extended furlough until March . Because they know it will take that long to roll it out and then announce that once working age people take the vacine they are free to go out unrestricted.

Kids won’t have it....

One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus. The vaccine is supposed to produce antibodies to fight the virus once it is in your system. There is nothing I have read to suggest that you will not be able to still pass the virus on to others. So in theory the virus may spread even quicker because people may think they cannot spread the virus once they have the vaccine.

Add to this that the testing was only carried out on young and healthy people (with a 90% success rate) and we are still left with a black hole for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

Have they tested the vaccine on anyone who has caught the virus? I don't know.

Has it been given to those with the virus in intensive care? Again nothing has been reported.

Giving it to healthy people and getting good results is not enough for me. I'd like for them to give it to people with the virus and see those results before I decide to take the vaccine.

Well said Stan, been saying this all along

It's not correct, people may be able to pass it on, it's not conclusive yet, and the husband in the Pfizer teams said that even if you can pass it on, it will still dramatically reduce the number of people who can pass it on.

It's true this is still a bit of an issue though.

And the Pfizer was tested on 30% to 40% old people and was effective.

One of the articles I read (which I now can't find) said that it had been tested on 40,000 young and healthy people. This is another quote that I found:

“The two companies are at pains to point out that the trial participants are ethnically diverse, which is good, but say nothing about the age of people in the trial,” said Eleanor Riley, professor of immunology and infectious disease at the University of Edinburgh.

The speed at which this vaccine has been created has worried a few immunologists, a few of whom did not expect a vaccine for years.

There seems to be numerous companies out there all producing a vaccine and it looks like the government is going to be buying from more than one of them. I just hope they go for the right ones. No doubt, we won't have a choice over which vaccine we get.

Anti-vax views 'nonsense'

It comes as officials said no decision has yet been made on how people under the age of 50 should be offered a Covid vaccine.

The current priority list of people who would get a vaccine in "phase one" starts with those living and working in care homes, then - in stages - everyone over 60 years old.

But the list is subject to change, with close attention being paid to how the vaccines work in older age groups, who often have a weak response to immunisation.

Attention has turned to how a vaccine will be rolled out after Pfizer and BioNTech revealed their vaccine protects more than 90% of people from developing Covid symptoms.

The prime minister urged everybody to get a coronavirus vaccine once one becomes available, adding that the arguments of anti-vaccination activists were "total nonsense".

Went to the dentist today.He was saying they have been approached to administer the vaccine.
A friend of mine has been on pfizer trial no side effects.6 months in.

You do know that trial are blind trials half are given the vaccine the other half are give a placebo injection.
Maybe the reason your mate has no side effects is because he was part of the half that were given a placebo!

Anti-vax views 'nonsense'

It comes as officials said no decision has yet been made on how people under the age of 50 should be offered a Covid vaccine.

The current priority list of people who would get a vaccine in "phase one" starts with those living and working in care homes, then - in stages - everyone over 60 years old.

But the list is subject to change, with close attention being paid to how the vaccines work in older age groups, who often have a weak response to immunisation.

Attention has turned to how a vaccine will be rolled out after Pfizer and BioNTech revealed their vaccine protects more than 90% of people from developing Covid symptoms.

The prime minister urged everybody to get a coronavirus vaccine once one becomes available, adding that the arguments of anti-vaccination activists were "total nonsense".

Went to the dentist today.He was saying they have been approached to administer the vaccine.
A friend of mine has been on pfizer trial no side effects.6 months in.

You do know that trial are blind trials half are given the vaccine the other half are give a placebo injection.
Maybe the reason your mate has no side effects is because he was part of the half that were given a placebo!

Look mate.I had a smallpox jab in 1970.The chip enabled me to visit planets outside our planet system,I need a top up so I,m
having the covid jab.Come to think of it maybe it was the L.S.D I took at the time.Anyhow I'll edge my bets either way,

Whats there to discuss? You either take it or you don't doesnt matter if anyone thinks it's not tested properly! I'm sure most can make their own minds up as to its safety? If you think it's not safe well dont take it no ones being forced to..

I haven’t verified this but will look into it

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One thing to remember about this vaccine is that it will not stop you from catching the virus. The vaccine is supposed to produce antibodies to fight the virus once it is in your system. There is nothing I have read to suggest that you will not be able to still pass the virus on to others. So in theory the virus may spread even quicker because people may think they cannot spread the virus once they have the vaccine.

Add to this that the testing was only carried out on young and healthy people (with a 90% success rate) and we are still left with a black hole for the elderly and those with underlying conditions.

Have they tested the vaccine on anyone who has caught the virus? I don't know.

Has it been given to those with the virus in intensive care? Again nothing has been reported.

Giving it to healthy people and getting good results is not enough for me. I'd like for them to give it to people with the virus and see those results before I decide to take the vaccine.

Well said Stan, been saying this all along

It's not correct, people may be able to pass it on, it's not conclusive yet, and the husband in the Pfizer teams said that even if you can pass it on, it will still dramatically reduce the number of people who can pass it on.

It's true this is still a bit of an issue though.

And the Pfizer was tested on 30% to 40% old people and was effective.

One of the articles I read (which I now can't find) said that it had been tested on 40,000 young and healthy people. This is another quote that I found:

“The two companies are at pains to point out that the trial participants are ethnically diverse, which is good, but say nothing about the age of people in the trial,” said Eleanor Riley, professor of immunology and infectious disease at the University of Edinburgh.

The speed at which this vaccine has been created has worried a few immunologists, a few of whom did not expect a vaccine for years.

There seems to be numerous companies out there all producing a vaccine and it looks like the government is going to be buying from more than one of them. I just hope they go for the right ones. No doubt, we won't have a choice over which vaccine we get.

No the vaccines were tested fairly on young and old alike.

I haven’t verified this but will look into it

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... epsy-cases

This particular vaccine is very exciting not only for covid. It’s new technology which may have important applications for cancer treatments for example. Perhaps activity against some bacterial strains which will help address antibiotic resistance.
The usual steps HAVE been followed.

Unlike most other vaccines they have a huge potential supply of volunteers and an almost limitless supply of cash.

Normally research requires vast amounts of money and it can take years to recruit enough for even the first stages of human trials.

They never know if a vaccine stops transmission until it gets out to the population because it’s training the immune system to fight the vaccine off not neutering it.

This is unprecedented. Hopefully the Astra one will be available soon too.

Ultimately, if you don’t want it. Fine. Don’t have it. But I will
Be even if all that happens is it stops me getting ill.

This particular vaccine is very exciting not only for covid. It’s new technology which may have important applications for cancer treatments for example. Perhaps activity against some bacterial strains which will help address antibiotic resistance.
The usual steps HAVE been followed.

Unlike most other vaccines they have a huge potential supply of volunteers and an almost limitless supply of cash.

Normally research requires vast amounts of money and it can take years to recruit enough for even the first stages of human trials.

They never know if a vaccine stops transmission until it gets out to the population because it’s training the immune system to fight the vaccine off not neutering it.

This is unprecedented. Hopefully the Astra one will be available soon too.

Ultimately, if you don’t want it. Fine. Don’t have it. But I will
Be even if all that happens is it stops me getting ill.

yes mate thats the on loop message
you can not compress time
they are rolling it out under emergency regulations...not normal regs..
and have given pharmaceutical firms a pass on liability...

so the normal steps HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED just they have explanations for skipping some but not all steps... happy with that fine.... but i cant see how its right to know , accept the situation but then miss out on telling the whole truth to others....

This particular vaccine is very exciting not only for covid. It’s new technology which may have important applications for cancer treatments for example. Perhaps activity against some bacterial strains which will help address antibiotic resistance.
The usual steps HAVE been followed.

Unlike most other vaccines they have a huge potential supply of volunteers and an almost limitless supply of cash.

Normally research requires vast amounts of money and it can take years to recruit enough for even the first stages of human trials.

They never know if a vaccine stops transmission until it gets out to the population because it’s training the immune system to fight the vaccine off not neutering it.

This is unprecedented. Hopefully the Astra one will be available soon too.

Ultimately, if you don’t want it. Fine. Don’t have it. But I will
Be even if all that happens is it stops me getting ill.

yes mate thats the on loop message
you can not compress time
they are rolling it out under emergency regulations...not normal regs..
and have given pharmaceutical firms a pass on liability...

so the normal steps HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED just they have explanations for skipping some but not all steps... happy with that fine.... but i cant see how its right to know , accept the situation but then miss out on telling the whole truth to others....

They haven't skipped some of the steps, they have overlapped some to shorten the project timeline. Normally youd waitbfor part a to finish before even starting to think about part b and that would include securing more funding (and so on). With unlimited funding and huge resources thrown at this is easy to see how the process could be just as rigorous and shorter.

This particular vaccine is very exciting not only for covid. It’s new technology which may have important applications for cancer treatments for example. Perhaps activity against some bacterial strains which will help address antibiotic resistance.
The usual steps HAVE been followed.

Unlike most other vaccines they have a huge potential supply of volunteers and an almost limitless supply of cash.

Normally research requires vast amounts of money and it can take years to recruit enough for even the first stages of human trials.

They never know if a vaccine stops transmission until it gets out to the population because it’s training the immune system to fight the vaccine off not neutering it.

This is unprecedented. Hopefully the Astra one will be available soon too.

Ultimately, if you don’t want it. Fine. Don’t have it. But I will
Be even if all that happens is it stops me getting ill.

yes mate thats the on loop message
you can not compress time
they are rolling it out under emergency regulations...not normal regs..
and have given pharmaceutical firms a pass on liability...

so the normal steps HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED just they have explanations for skipping some but not all steps... happy with that fine.... but i cant see how its right to know , accept the situation but then miss out on telling the whole truth to others....

They haven't skipped some of the steps, they have overlapped some to shorten the project timeline. Normally youd waitbfor part a to finish before even starting to think about part b and that would include securing more funding (and so on). With unlimited funding and huge resources thrown at this is easy to see how the process could be just as rigorous and shorter.

And we've had the best brains in the world, collaborating and sharing information to speed up the end of the virus.

8th December 2020, the start of the end of the virus, happy Vaccine day Bluebirds

This particular vaccine is very exciting not only for covid. It’s new technology which may have important applications for cancer treatments for example. Perhaps activity against some bacterial strains which will help address antibiotic resistance.
The usual steps HAVE been followed.

Unlike most other vaccines they have a huge potential supply of volunteers and an almost limitless supply of cash.

Normally research requires vast amounts of money and it can take years to recruit enough for even the first stages of human trials.

They never know if a vaccine stops transmission until it gets out to the population because it’s training the immune system to fight the vaccine off not neutering it.

This is unprecedented. Hopefully the Astra one will be available soon too.

Ultimately, if you don’t want it. Fine. Don’t have it. But I will
Be even if all that happens is it stops me getting ill.

yes mate thats the on loop message
you can not compress time
they are rolling it out under emergency regulations...not normal regs..
and have given pharmaceutical firms a pass on liability...

so the normal steps HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED just they have explanations for skipping some but not all steps... happy with that fine.... but i cant see how its right to know , accept the situation but then miss out on telling the whole truth to others....

They haven't skipped some of the steps, they have overlapped some to shorten the project timeline. Normally youd waitbfor part a to finish before even starting to think about part b and that would include securing more funding (and so on). With unlimited funding and huge resources thrown at this is easy to see how the process could be just as rigorous and shorter.

And we've had the best brains in the world, collaborating and sharing information to speed up the end of the virus.

8th December 2020, the start of the end of the virus, happy Vaccine day Bluebirds

Pfizer vaccine is more than 90% effective great news

9 others in the final stages too, this is the game changer

Medical staff will start to get it in the UK before Christmas

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105

http://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewforum ... 8119dcb097

Approved and administered within a month, well done the UK !!!!

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

So anyone who wont/cant,should be cast aside like lepers? My mum is 80,znd had the flu vaccine for the 1st time a couple of years back,had such a severe reaction she ended up very ill and hospitalised for ten days,to the point we thought we were going to lose her!! She has flstly said she will not be having a vaccine,as it really took a toll, after the flu jab episode,so because she is scared,she shouldn't be allowed to mix with others?? May as well give them a bell each,so they can ring it,and shout unclean!unclean! Its a personal choice,for each individual,not for other people to make for you.its called freedom of choice.

Very sad, but just because you have a fluke unexpected crash the car you shouldn't give up driving.

If it were my Mum, I would take her to see the GP and evaluate whether she would be safer to have the vaccine or not, this is not a live dose vaccine and she won't receive a little bit of covid so she may not get the same sort of reaction.

If she/he can get this across to her she may decide to get the vaccine, which may help her allow her to get on with her life without the fear of catching covid while elderly and in a very vulnerable group.

If she is not suitable for the vaccine then at least she will know and have taken advice from an expert

Good luck I hope it all works out well for you all.

Thanks for your concern regarding my mother,ee hzve done as you have suggested,she has seen her gp,and even the practice nurse,and has still decided,its her choice,and her right to not take it! We will of course keep trying to persuade her to re consider,but knowing my mum,its not likely to have any effect on her decision.
The main concern we have is the constant barrage of scaremongering on tv,has scared her beyond belief,and we worry for her mental state,as she has been at home since last two weeks of February!!

Has your Mum changed her mind, or still not having the vaccine?