Want to gauge opinion POLL

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

Your point appears increasingly valid but neither you nor anyone else could have made this point in March/April.

the group this was killing was there to be seen very early.. and was not a secret either..

Unfortunately it is a skewed poll question offering.

Serious virus....Yes, as it kills people, as does influenza and many other viruses.

Are we being lied to? Obviously, unless you are living under a rock.

Unfortunately it is a skewed poll question offering.

Serious virus....Yes, as it kills people, as does influenza and many other viruses.

Are we being lied to? Obviously, unless you are living under a rock.

i dont know we are being lied to.... my take is certain aspects like the numbers have been pushed very hard other things not so.. BBC report on a coffin maker in March...i normally make 15 a week and now its 350 ? yep he had just had a contract which was not mentioned .. 100 bed ridden end of lifers die no publicity just part of the numbers..one 50 year old health worker dies picture on front page... etc etc..

Well even the experts and politicians are unable to sing from the same hymn sheet.
Boris and experts say second wave on its way
Boris now says Covid has said it won’t get you on Christmas Day
This expert : no evidence second wave will be coming soon, but will come on Christmas Day. Bullshit and they care lying to you but they are now so convinced most are brainwashed and frightened they are taking the puss out of everyone.
Buckle up guys and stick to the rules
Sorry can’t get the link up but it’s on the sky news app

Well even the experts and politicians are unable to sing from the same hymn sheet.
Boris and experts say second wave on its way
Boris now says Covid has said it won’t get you on Christmas Day
This expert : no evidence second wave will be coming soon, but will come on Christmas Day. Bullshit and they care lying to you but they are now so convinced most are brainwashed and frightened they are taking the puss out of everyone.
Buckle up guys and stick to the rules
Sorry can’t get the link up but it’s on the sky news app

councils asking employees to camera up and go around pubs ?
the new normal...or the old germany... there is stuff happening that should not fly even if this was 10 times as bad....

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

people of all ages can catch and die from flu and do so every year..

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Agree,my uncle died from it but he would of died of the normal flu due to his health probably as well

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

people of all ages can catch and die from flu and do so every year..

Agree

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

people of all ages can catch and die from flu and do so every year..

Agree

its really hard to believe.. but at the same time easier to see how people are swallowing some of whats being said when they do not just think flu does not kill but that its a ridiculous notion to think it does....

I’m starting to believe there is something going on now, things aren’t adding up. Talking of flu epidemics 35000 people died of it in the UK in 2015 I think it was yet didn’t make news.
This was interesting today.....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... IKORA.html

More so this one,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... ience.html

“ Almost a third of Britons reported to have died from coronavirus in July and August passed away due to other reasons, Oxford University researchers have said.

They found that the official Covid-19 death statistics included anyone who died after testing positive for the virus – even if they had later been hit by a car or had had a heart attack.

The study found coronavirus was not the main cause of death in 465 cases out of 1,617 people recorded as dying from Covid-19 over the summer months.”

I’ve heard this a few times now, people during of heart attacks having Covid put on death certificate even though it was months before.....


Covid-19 accounts for an average of 11 of the 1,687 deaths in Britain every day, according to official statistics.

In comparison, 124 people died each day from flu and pneumonia in the week ending September 4.

Heart disease – Britain’s biggest killer – accounted for 460 deaths every day last year, while cancer kills an average of 450 people per day.

Around 87,000 people die of dementia each year – about 240 people a day. Lung disease accounts for 31,000 deaths, or 84 every day, while fatal accidents at home – often while doing DIY – lead to 16 deaths per day.

Five people die every day in road accidents across the UK, while infections – including C.diff – and stomach bugs kill 5,937 a year, about 16 people a day.

Last year, there were 5,691 deaths attributed to suicide, an average of 15 per day.

What is going on??

I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.

Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK

what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..

My thoughts too,as according to those in power,this is a NEW virus,thus would need 5/6 years to get approval (the standard for medicines )but people are willing to have something that hasn't been tested ,or has for months,whichever you care to listen to.

52 years of advances or not,to believe this "vaccine" will work (for any length of time) without the usually mandatory period for new drugs,is naive.what happens if everyone runs out to be jabbed,develop serious side effects,say 2/3/4/5 years down the line??

It's a serious disease for a minority of the words population in truth,and has the ability to affect the odd few who until it had,had no( registered) underlying conditions/illnesses,I say registered as I lost a friend a few years back,who was as fit as a fiddle,yet he died suddenly,so a post mortem was required, where they found a " hidden" serious heart condition.my sympathies to those who may of lost someone to this virus,but it's a no from myself.
As a side note,didn't the op ask for no name calling?? Respect the posters opinion,and disagree,but no need for random " idiots" etc.agree to disagree and move on.

yes mate...no known... some of us are walking timebombs.. my wife went from having a routine scan in the morning to a phone call in the afternoon asking her to return to a 7 hour life saving op less than 3 hours after the phone call... you know what, she was feeling fine and hadnt even told me she was going as she was in 2 minds to go for the scan in the first place...

Hope she is ok now mate? I speak also from 1st hand experience, I had a serious rta,back late 2012,was taken to hospital,x rays etc,sent home with whiplash,turns out I had to fracture disks in my c6 c7 area of my neck!! Had a scan (9 months later) after numerous complaints to my gp,regarding weird sensation,or complete lack of any sensation at all.stuck a syringe in various areas,sent for emergency scan,then had emergency surgery the next day! To prevent paralysis from my neck down,as bone had splintered into spinal chord,causing permanent damage.I have recovered fantastic of late,but have no sensation in my leg,and that's for life,it's called paratheses. Without my gp doing that stabbing,I might not even be here!! So yes some staggering advances in technology, which is fantastic if used correctly.

she isnt back to normal or what used to be normal but is ok if that makes sense...thanks.

Hah,yeah I get where your coming from,taken me last 7 years to return to some kind of normal,now they telling me I got to get used to another one glad she is doing OK though,luckily (or not,depends on how you see things) went through same with dad Luckily he passed before this nonsense, as if they had put covid on his dc,there would have been a stink kicked up.

id probably kick off if i had covid on a relatives DC too due to the damage these numbers are doing... .but as ive put in another post when my dad died i didnt much care what word they used... and on that note.. i have my fingers crossed that my last years are not carers changing nappies , unable to shower or go toilet unattended and talking shite 24/7...id prefer a few years less tbh..

100% get what you are saying,dad had dementia,then found stage 3 lung cancer and an aneurysm the size of an orange in his abdominal artery! But the dementia took his life,slowly at first,then at a much faster pace,we kept him at home,and did as much as we could,but towards the end,he needed all of the things you mention,no offence,if I had the choice off covid or dementia, I would honestly have no hesitation in choosing covid,as it's a relatively short illness,whereas you grieve for a dementia sufferer,whilst they are still living,sometimes for years and years and it kills more people than all cancers combined
The deaths "with covid" just muddies the waters,and paints a false picture for sure.
All I have heard today is people panicking over going back into lockdown!! Watch the shelves empty of the essentials, as if we are facing a nuclear attack

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??

Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

people of all ages can catch and die from flu and do so every year..

Agree

its really hard to believe.. but at the same time easier to see how people are swallowing some of whats being said when they do not just think flu does not kill but that its a ridiculous notion to think it does....

Of course flu kills some very old and weak people, it always has mostly through giving them pneumonia, but i've never heard of it killing relatively fit slightly fat fifty year olds?

Yes flu can be nasty, but feck all compared to theis new virus, where no one has immunity!

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??

Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?

WTF are you on about mate? Where have I compared it to flu? And just because you have survived flu,doesn't mean it's the same for everyone! You may be surprised then,to hear flu has killed more under 10's than covid to date during this outbreak
You say boris was in a bad way? And can you provide a shred of evidence he was?
I'll say it again,he was reportedly put in intensive care as a precaution,not my words,that's what we were told! So are you suggesting we were lied to?
If you are going to have a pop,at least provide some proof,that boris was "half dead"( your words)don't you think it would have been all over the media,if he was as bad as you think the statements released,never once said he was at deaths door,just that he was receiving "oxygen as a support to help his breathing, he hasnt need ventilation at any stage" which to me sounds nothing like what you seem to think?? The leader of the country is supposedly at deaths door,and it wasn't headline news? Come on

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??

Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?

WTF are you on about mate? Where have I compared it to flu? And just because you have survived flu,doesn't mean it's the same for everyone! You may be surprised then,to hear flu has killed more under 10's than covid to date during this outbreak
You say boris was in a bad way? And can you provide a shred of evidence he was?
I'll say it again,he was reportedly put in intensive care as a precaution,not my words,that's what we were told! So are you suggesting we were lied to?
If you are going to have a pop,at least provide some proof,that boris was "half dead"( your words)don't you think it would have been all over the media,if he was as bad as you think the statements released,never once said he was at deaths door,just that he was receiving "oxygen as a support to help his breathing, he hasnt need ventilation at any stage" which to me sounds nothing like what you seem to think?? The leader of the country is supposedly at deaths door,and it wasn't headline news? Come on

All the phone in's papers and political commentators were concerned, he was in intensive care which at that time only half came out without the coffin, if he had flu it would have been lemsip max strength for two days and then back in the office.

You can't compare Covid 19 to flu, there is a vaccine for Flu for a start

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

Your point appears increasingly valid but neither you nor anyone else could have made this point in March/April.

The situation was different back in March/April. The initial lock down was designed to protect the NHS and get it up to speed by increasing capacity through creating the Nightingale Hospitals.

So I accept the initial lock down was required but it lasted far too long. It went from 23 March to the 4 July. I would have ended it in early May and I made posts then about how we should have followed a more Sweden type model on dealing with the crisis by spending more money on shielding the vulnerable (the care home scandal for one) and less on furloughing a whole work force.

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??

Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?

WTF are you on about mate? Where have I compared it to flu? And just because you have survived flu,doesn't mean it's the same for everyone! You may be surprised then,to hear flu has killed more under 10's than covid to date during this outbreak
You say boris was in a bad way? And can you provide a shred of evidence he was?
I'll say it again,he was reportedly put in intensive care as a precaution,not my words,that's what we were told! So are you suggesting we were lied to?
If you are going to have a pop,at least provide some proof,that boris was "half dead"( your words)don't you think it would have been all over the media,if he was as bad as you think the statements released,never once said he was at deaths door,just that he was receiving "oxygen as a support to help his breathing, he hasnt need ventilation at any stage" which to me sounds nothing like what you seem to think?? The leader of the country is supposedly at deaths door,and it wasn't headline news? Come on

All the phone in's papers and political commentators were concerned, he was in intensive care which at that time only half came out without the coffin, if he had flu it would have been lemsip max strength for two days and then back in the office.

You can't compare Covid 19 to flu, there is a vaccine for Flu for a start

ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

Your point appears increasingly valid but neither you nor anyone else could have made this point in March/April.

The situation was different back in March/April. The initial lock down was designed to protect the NHS and get it up to speed by increasing capacity through creating the Nightingale Hospitals.

So I accept the initial lock down was required but it lasted far too long. It went from 23 March to the 4 July. I would have ended it in early May and I made posts then about how we should have followed a more Sweden type model on dealing with the crisis by spending more money on shielding the vulnerable (the care home scandal for one) and less on furloughing a whole work force.

people died in large numbers in care homes in every country... this kills the oldest and weakest in society and many of them live in care homes... half the total comes from them...isnt it what you would expect. ?
as for ...protecting...the NHS, its suppose to protect us...and tbh isnt and hasnt its lost sight of what its there for months ago and evelvated covid to the be all and end all... thats the scandal..and it was there to be seen from day 1..

people died in large numbers in care homes in every country... this kills the oldest and weakest in society and many of them live in care homes... half the total comes from them...isnt it what you would expect. ?
as for ...protecting...the NHS, its suppose to protect us...and tbh isnt and hasnt its lost sight of what its there for months ago and evelvated covid to the be all and end all... thats the scandal..and it was there to be seen from day 1..

COVID is/was a respiratory decease and if that had been acknowledged as such at the start then many lives of older people could have been saved. Certainly discharging COVID positive elderly people into nursing homes was both a disaster and a scandal.

Of course I would expect the elderly to be more vulnerable to a respiratory decease caused by COVID-19 and you would expect the Government to know the same and provide proper shielding for them from the off.

The Government message about the NHS was questionable but I certainly understood there was a need to buy time until the capacity was expanded enough to cope with the surge in very ill people.

people died in large numbers in care homes in every country... this kills the oldest and weakest in society and many of them live in care homes... half the total comes from them...isnt it what you would expect. ?
as for ...protecting...the NHS, its suppose to protect us...and tbh isnt and hasnt its lost sight of what its there for months ago and evelvated covid to the be all and end all... thats the scandal..and it was there to be seen from day 1..

COVID is/was a respiratory decease and if that had been acknowledged as such at the start then many lives of older people could have been saved. Certainly discharging COVID positive elderly people into nursing homes was both a disaster and a scandal.

Of course I would expect the elderly to be more vulnerable to a respiratory decease caused by COVID-19 and you would expect the Government to know the same and provide proper shielding for them from the off.

The Government message about the NHS was questionable but I certainly understood there was a need to buy time until the capacity was expanded enough to cope with the surge in very ill people.

i understood the buying time too..its the lengths they went to..and the fear factor we had pumped out 24/7 { i include the NHS re this fear factor ,which contributed to poor decision making } we got to a point where 10s of thousands of beds were emptied and remained empty for weeks on end and hundreds of thousands of appointments and treatments cancelled.. and no , ideal world patients should not have been transferred with covid , but the reality was testing kits were like rocking horse shit at the time, plus results were taking 2/3 days to come back , even for hospital patients which of course made it a bit pointless as covid free today doesnt mean covid free tomorrow...especially if your already on a hospital ward..

Too black and white.

For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.

To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.

Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.

Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??

Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?

WTF are you on about mate? Where have I compared it to flu? And just because you have survived flu,doesn't mean it's the same for everyone! You may be surprised then,to hear flu has killed more under 10's than covid to date during this outbreak
You say boris was in a bad way? And can you provide a shred of evidence he was?
I'll say it again,he was reportedly put in intensive care as a precaution,not my words,that's what we were told! So are you suggesting we were lied to?
If you are going to have a pop,at least provide some proof,that boris was "half dead"( your words)don't you think it would have been all over the media,if he was as bad as you think the statements released,never once said he was at deaths door,just that he was receiving "oxygen as a support to help his breathing, he hasnt need ventilation at any stage" which to me sounds nothing like what you seem to think?? The leader of the country is supposedly at deaths door,and it wasn't headline news? Come on

All the phone in's papers and political commentators were concerned, he was in intensive care which at that time only half came out without the coffin, if he had flu it would have been lemsip max strength for two days and then back in the office.

You can't compare Covid 19 to flu, there is a vaccine for Flu for a start

ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..

Ha ha I'd been fine if I had covid, but it is a much more serious virus than flue, you could have a vaccine for that though if you weren't shit scared of vaccines

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.[/quote]

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.[/quote]

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.[/quote]

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!![/quote]


What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was?? [/quote]


Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?[/quote]





ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..[/quote]


Ha ha I'd been fine if I had covid, but it is a much more serious virus than flue, you could have a vaccine for that though if you weren't shit scared of vaccines [/quote][/quote]


I have asked for evidence of boris being "half dead",and where we're the media reporting this? You keep going on about comparing covid to flu (which I have never claimed by the way!) Even when another poster states he was in intensive care as a precaution,you still say he was at deaths door
provide us with at least a shred of evidence, from either the press or tv,it should be easy to find.that say what you are proffesing you mention . there were people on phone ins being" concerned" which may be true,as this virus can kill,but so can flu.
It's plainly obvious,that this virus has you shitting yourself,and it seems to bother you a lot more than I. Yes it's dangerous,but life must go on,as it has through worse "pandemics" before now.
Lastly, you may well of had covid already,been completely symptom free,for all you know?? Same for all of us..

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.[/quote]

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.[/quote]

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!![/quote]


What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was?? [/quote]


Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?[/quote]





ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..[/quote]


Ha ha I'd been fine if I had covid, but it is a much more serious virus than flue, you could have a vaccine for that though if you weren't shit scared of vaccines [/quote][/quote]


I have asked for evidence of boris being "half dead",and where we're the media reporting this? You keep going on about comparing covid to flu (which I have never claimed by the way!) Even when another poster states he was in intensive care as a precaution,you still say he was at deaths door
provide us with at least a shred of evidence, from either the press or tv,it should be easy to find.that say what you are proffesing you mention . there were people on phone ins being" concerned" which may be true,as this virus can kill,but so can flu.
It's plainly obvious,that this virus has you shitting yourself,and it seems to bother you a lot more than I. Yes it's dangerous,but life must go on,as it has through worse "pandemics" before now.
Lastly, you may well of had covid already,been completely symptom free,for all you know?? Same for all of us.. [/quote]


you only have to read the Warnock thread to see how anything that is said regarding covid is not accepted for what it is... some people hear or read and then exaggerate it in their minds , ineffect frightening themselves.. its as if they have been told to shit themselves, cant figure out why so make it up .. no doubt Boris was ill and had a rough time, but deaths door is pushing it ..
l

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.[/quote]

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.[/quote]

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!![/quote]


What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was?? [/quote]


Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?[/quote]





ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..[/quote]


Ha ha I'd been fine if I had covid, but it is a much more serious virus than flue, you could have a vaccine for that though if you weren't shit scared of vaccines [/quote][/quote]


I have asked for evidence of boris being "half dead",and where we're the media reporting this? You keep going on about comparing covid to flu (which I have never claimed by the way!) Even when another poster states he was in intensive care as a precaution,you still say he was at deaths door
provide us with at least a shred of evidence, from either the press or tv,it should be easy to find.that say what you are proffesing you mention . there were people on phone ins being" concerned" which may be true,as this virus can kill,but so can flu.
It's plainly obvious,that this virus has you shitting yourself,and it seems to bother you a lot more than I. Yes it's dangerous,but life must go on,as it has through worse "pandemics" before now.
Lastly, you may well of had covid already,been completely symptom free,for all you know?? Same for all of us.. [/quote]

Ha ha I didn't say he was at death's door, I said he and Draper were half dead, we can agree to disagree on how bad Boris was neither of us were their so we will never really know, but you keep swerving the point about Draper, do you honestly feel he would be in intensive care if he caught the flu?

Of course life goes on for me and you if your in good health, Ive been to Mexico and Kos since the virus, play golf every week, go to the pub every weekend and have worked right through, but that doesn't mean it's not dangerous to people older than me with serious health conditions.

Virtually every Country in the World is imposing restrictions, and some people think it's not a dangerous virus ?

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.[/quote]

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!![/quote]


What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was?? [/quote]


Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?[/quote]





ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..[/quote]


Ha ha I'd been fine if I had covid, but it is a much more serious virus than flue, you could have a vaccine for that though if you weren't shit scared of vaccines [/quote][/quote]


I have asked for evidence of boris being "half dead",and where we're the media reporting this? You keep going on about comparing covid to flu (which I have never claimed by the way!) Even when another poster states he was in intensive care as a precaution,you still say he was at deaths door
provide us with at least a shred of evidence, from either the press or tv,it should be easy to find.that say what you are proffesing you mention . there were people on phone ins being" concerned" which may be true,as this virus can kill,but so can flu.
It's plainly obvious,that this virus has you shitting yourself,and it seems to bother you a lot more than I. Yes it's dangerous,but life must go on,as it has through worse "pandemics" before now.
Lastly, you may well of had covid already,been completely symptom free,for all you know?? Same for all of us.. [/quote]


you only have to read the Warnock thread to see how anything that is said regarding covid is not accepted for what it is... some people hear or read and then exaggerate it in their minds , ineffect frightening themselves.. its as if they have been told to shit themselves, cant figure out why so make it up .. no doubt Boris was ill and had a rough time, but deaths door is pushing it ..
l[/quote]


He was in a bad way, but Kate Garroway's husband is in a really bad way, it is a dangerous virus, why do you think Countries all around the World are imposing strict restrictions and potentially damaging their economies, do they do that every year with flu?

I think its difficult to know what to believe tbh. The government already wiped 5000 cases of the record because of discounting. Anyone who had had covid and dies within 28 days goes down as a covid death which seems silly. Not sure if they do this with any other virus. Plus on the centre for disease controls website it says a positive test result could also be a virus from the same family like the common cold. So hard to tell from what I can see.

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!![/quote]


What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was?? [/quote]


Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?[/quote]





ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..[/quote]


Ha ha I'd been fine if I had covid, but it is a much more serious virus than flue, you could have a vaccine for that though if you weren't shit scared of vaccines [/quote][/quote]


I have asked for evidence of boris being "half dead",and where we're the media reporting this? You keep going on about comparing covid to flu (which I have never claimed by the way!) Even when another poster states he was in intensive care as a precaution,you still say he was at deaths door
provide us with at least a shred of evidence, from either the press or tv,it should be easy to find.that say what you are proffesing you mention . there were people on phone ins being" concerned" which may be true,as this virus can kill,but so can flu.
It's plainly obvious,that this virus has you shitting yourself,and it seems to bother you a lot more than I. Yes it's dangerous,but life must go on,as it has through worse "pandemics" before now.
Lastly, you may well of had covid already,been completely symptom free,for all you know?? Same for all of us.. [/quote]


you only have to read the Warnock thread to see how anything that is said regarding covid is not accepted for what it is... some people hear or read and then exaggerate it in their minds , ineffect frightening themselves.. its as if they have been told to shit themselves, cant figure out why so make it up .. no doubt Boris was ill and had a rough time, but deaths door is pushing it ..
l[/quote]


He was in a bad way, but Kate Garroway's husband is in a really bad way, it is a dangerous virus, why do you think Countries all around the World are imposing strict restrictions and potentially damaging their economies, do they do that every year with flu?[/quote]


you are clinging to Boris and this womans husband....which if you step back speaks volumes..
most of the vocal posts supporting for the restrictions are based more often than not on an individual case and not on the broader aspects.. even if both die its just 2 people.. 2 amongst THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND UK deaths of all cause over this period.. ..most people dont directly know anyone who has died of it, and if they do its Bills grandfather who was 90 and dying anyway... the damage its doing to our long term well being both healthwise and economy wise can be seen everywhere yet no ill people... honestly id have expected something complete;ly different to have this effect.. i realise its not just here but that makes even less sense... Germany had a severe Flu epidemic just 2 years ago which killed more Germans than this has... where they had an incredible 9 million medically attended people with influenza related acute respitory illnesses... thats 30 people actually ill for every single covid positive { where 80% are either asymptomatic or have it mildly } further back.. Frances hong kong flu epidemic.. at one point half the French working population were off work ill... neither locked down... but id be far more understanding towards our lockdown if dai accross the road had died, a couple of relatives that were not already on deaths door had died and half those living in my street were actually ill... its simply not the case...

The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.

Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?

Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.

The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.

It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.

My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.

It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!

Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!

What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was?? [/quote]


Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?

Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu

I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.

If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?[/quote]





ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..[/quote]


Ha ha I'd been fine if I had covid, but it is a much more serious virus than flue, you could have a vaccine for that though if you weren't shit scared of vaccines [/quote][/quote]


I have asked for evidence of boris being "half dead",and where we're the media reporting this? You keep going on about comparing covid to flu (which I have never claimed by the way!) Even when another poster states he was in intensive care as a precaution,you still say he was at deaths door
provide us with at least a shred of evidence, from either the press or tv,it should be easy to find.that say what you are proffesing you mention . there were people on phone ins being" concerned" which may be true,as this virus can kill,but so can flu.
It's plainly obvious,that this virus has you shitting yourself,and it seems to bother you a lot more than I. Yes it's dangerous,but life must go on,as it has through worse "pandemics" before now.
Lastly, you may well of had covid already,been completely symptom free,for all you know?? Same for all of us.. [/quote]


you only have to read the Warnock thread to see how anything that is said regarding covid is not accepted for what it is... some people hear or read and then exaggerate it in their minds , ineffect frightening themselves.. its as if they have been told to shit themselves, cant figure out why so make it up .. no doubt Boris was ill and had a rough time, but deaths door is pushing it ..
l[/quote]


He was in a bad way, but Kate Garroway's husband is in a really bad way, it is a dangerous virus, why do you think Countries all around the World are imposing strict restrictions and potentially damaging their economies, do they do that every year with flu?[/quote]


you are clinging to Boris and this womans husband....which if you step back speaks volumes..
most of the vocal posts supporting for the restrictions are based more often than not on an individual case and not on the broader aspects.. even if both die its just 2 people.. 2 amongst THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND UK deaths of all cause over this period.. ..most people dont directly know anyone who has died of it, and if they do its Bills grandfather who was 90 and dying anyway... the damage its doing to our long term well being both healthwise and economy wise can be seen everywhere yet no ill people... honestly id have expected something complete;ly different to have this effect.. i realise its not just here but that makes even less sense... Germany had a severe Flu epidemic just 2 years ago which killed more Germans than this has... where they had an incredible 9 million medically attended people with influenza related acute respitory illnesses... thats 30 people actually ill for every single covid positive { where 80% are either asymptomatic or have it mildly } further back.. Frances hong kong flu epidemic.. at one point half the French working population were off work ill... neither locked down... but id be far more understanding towards our lockdown if dai accross the road had died, a couple of relatives that were not already on deaths door had died and half those living in my street were actually ill... its simply not the case...[/quote]



He seems infatuated with the individual cases,yet calls anyone who dares to think differently "idiots,thickos" etc
Hong Kong flu (and a fair few on here loved through it) killed around 35,000 in this country,yet no masks,no restrictions,and certainly no "lockdown" I don't recall having time off school during that Time either
The figures are skewed at best,twisted at worst,so are unbelievable to me,and have been for some time,and I do not wish to belittle those who have lost relatives to this virus,as any death is sad.
I've looked myself for evidence that backs blubina's claim that boris was " half dead" and cannot find anything of the sort?
I'm with you ragas if it were my relatives who were fit (on the outside at least!) Catching it and dying, and there were cases all around me,in the street I live etc,I would be a little more concerned than as is!!