Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:23 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
Your point appears increasingly valid but neither you nor anyone else could have made this point in March/April.
Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:57 am
Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:13 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Unfortunately it is a skewed poll question offering.
Serious virus....Yes, as it kills people, as does influenza and many other viruses.
Are we being lied to? Obviously, unless you are living under a rock.
Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:46 pm
Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:03 pm
Nuclearblue wrote:Well even the experts and politicians are unable to sing from the same hymn sheet.
Boris and experts say second wave on its way
Boris now says Covid has said it won’t get you on Christmas Day
This expert : no evidence second wave will be coming soon, but will come on Christmas Day. Bullshit and they care lying to you but they are now so convinced most are brainwashed and frightened they are taking the puss out of everyone.
Buckle up guys and stick to the rules
Sorry can’t get the link up but it’s on the sky news app
Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:38 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:53 pm
Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:10 pm
davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:11 pm
skidemin wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
people of all ages can catch and die from flu and do so every year..
Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:15 pm
wez1927 wrote:skidemin wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
people of all ages can catch and die from flu and do so every year..
Agree
Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:12 pm
Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:17 pm
skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:skidemin wrote:WestCoastBlue wrote:Borders Blue wrote:I was very worried about the virus at first - back in March. But since then I have been researching massively and whereas I believe there was a virus, it was not as deadly as the politicians and media have been telling us. 85,000 people died of the flu in 1968 - that is on record - but we didn't lock down. We should have protected the old and vulnerable and let the rest catch it - as Sweden did. I wouldn't have worded the questionnaire in this way because it is possible that we have not been lied to AND true that the virus has not been as deadly as we have been led to believe. I believe the latter, but am not sure about the former. I am told that the MSM coverage has not included any opposition to the mainstream narrative - yet there are plenty of highly qualified people out there who disagree with lockdown, the effectiveness of masks or testing and many other aspects of this. Their voices should have been heard. Our 'leaders' have totally over-reacted imv and should be held to account for the many thousands of lives that will be lost and the livelihoods ruined due to the lockdown. Already, we are hearing that the OF COVID death toll has been exaggerated and that the testing is seriously flawed. Expect many more such revelations in the near future.
Some of your points are valid but using death numbers from a flu 52 years ago is a flawed argument. Since then we’ve had 52 years of medical and technological advancements. Also you’re trying to argue that because Covid has less deaths WITH a lockdown it proves a lockdown was unnecessary because a flu WITHOUT a lockdown has a higher death toll. I also disagree with the Sweden argument as I believe there’s enough evidence to show it was an ineffective strategy. Also Sweden’s demographics and cultural opinions are very different to ours. I would doubt their strategy would work in the UK
what technological and medical advances exactly....sounds good but what are they...?
truth is the countries who have actually made the most advances and are wealthy with good health services have the highest figures ..
My thoughts too,as according to those in power,this is a NEW virus,thus would need 5/6 years to get approval (the standard for medicines )but people are willing to have something that hasn't been tested ,or has for months,whichever you care to listen to.
52 years of advances or not,to believe this "vaccine" will work (for any length of time) without the usually mandatory period for new drugs,is naive.what happens if everyone runs out to be jabbed,develop serious side effects,say 2/3/4/5 years down the line??
It's a serious disease for a minority of the words population in truth,and has the ability to affect the odd few who until it had,had no( registered) underlying conditions/illnesses,I say registered as I lost a friend a few years back,who was as fit as a fiddle,yet he died suddenly,so a post mortem was required, where they found a " hidden" serious heart condition.my sympathies to those who may of lost someone to this virus,but it's a no from myself.
As a side note,didn't the op ask for no name calling?? Respect the posters opinion,and disagree,but no need for random " idiots" etc.agree to disagree and move on.![]()
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yes mate...no known... some of us are walking timebombs.. my wife went from having a routine scan in the morning to a phone call in the afternoon asking her to return to a 7 hour life saving op less than 3 hours after the phone call... you know what, she was feeling fine and hadnt even told me she was going as she was in 2 minds to go for the scan in the first place...
Hope she is ok now mate? I speak also from 1st hand experience, I had a serious rta,back late 2012,was taken to hospital,x rays etc,sent home with whiplash,turns out I had to fracture disks in my c6 c7 area of my neck!! Had a scan (9 months later) after numerous complaints to my gp,regarding weird sensation,or complete lack of any sensation at all.stuck a syringe in various areas,sent for emergency scan,then had emergency surgery the next day! To prevent paralysis from my neck down,as bone had splintered into spinal chord,causing permanent damage.I have recovered fantastic of late,but have no sensation in my leg,and that's for life,it's called paratheses. Without my gp doing that stabbing,I might not even be here!! So yes some staggering advances in technology, which is fantastic if used correctly.![]()
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she isnt back to normal or what used to be normal but is ok if that makes sense...thanks.
Hah,yeah I get where your coming from,taken me last 7 years to return to some kind of normal,now they telling me I got to get used to another oneglad she is doing OK though,luckily (or not,depends on how you see things) went through same with dad
Luckily he passed before this nonsense, as if they had put covid on his dc,there would have been a stink kicked up.
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id probably kick off if i had covid on a relatives DC too due to the damage these numbers are doing... .but as ive put in another post when my dad died i didnt much care what word they used... and on that note.. i have my fingers crossed that my last years are not carers changing nappies , unable to shower or go toilet unattended and talking shite 24/7...id prefer a few years less tbh..
Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:29 pm
Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:37 am
bluesince62 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??![]()
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:40 am
skidemin wrote:wez1927 wrote:skidemin wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
people of all ages can catch and die from flu and do so every year..
Agree
its really hard to believe.. but at the same time easier to see how people are swallowing some of whats being said when they do not just think flu does not kill but that its a ridiculous notion to think it does....
Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:15 pm
Bluebina wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??![]()
Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?
Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu![]()
I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.
If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?
Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:09 am
bluesince62 wrote:Bluebina wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??![]()
Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?
Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu![]()
I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.
If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?
WTF are you on about mate? Where have I compared it to flu? And just because you have survived flu,doesn't mean it's the same for everyone! You may be surprised then,to hear flu has killed more under 10's than covid to date during this outbreak![]()
You say boris was in a bad way? And can you provide a shred of evidence he was?
I'll say it again,he was reportedly put in intensive care as a precaution,not my words,that's what we were told! So are you suggesting we were lied to?
If you are going to have a pop,at least provide some proof,that boris was "half dead"( your words)don't you think it would have been all over the media,if he was as bad as you thinkthe statements released,never once said he was at deaths door,just that he was receiving "oxygen as a support to help his breathing, he hasnt need ventilation at any stage" which to me sounds nothing like what you seem to think?? The leader of the country is supposedly at deaths door,and it wasn't headline news? Come on
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:01 am
Sneggyblubird wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
Your point appears increasingly valid but neither you nor anyone else could have made this point in March/April.
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:52 am
Bluebina wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Bluebina wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??![]()
Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?
Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu![]()
I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.
If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?
WTF are you on about mate? Where have I compared it to flu? And just because you have survived flu,doesn't mean it's the same for everyone! You may be surprised then,to hear flu has killed more under 10's than covid to date during this outbreak![]()
You say boris was in a bad way? And can you provide a shred of evidence he was?
I'll say it again,he was reportedly put in intensive care as a precaution,not my words,that's what we were told! So are you suggesting we were lied to?
If you are going to have a pop,at least provide some proof,that boris was "half dead"( your words)don't you think it would have been all over the media,if he was as bad as you thinkthe statements released,never once said he was at deaths door,just that he was receiving "oxygen as a support to help his breathing, he hasnt need ventilation at any stage" which to me sounds nothing like what you seem to think?? The leader of the country is supposedly at deaths door,and it wasn't headline news? Come on
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All the phone in's papers and political commentators were concerned, he was in intensive care which at that time only half came out without the coffin, if he had flu it would have been lemsip max strength for two days and then back in the office.
You can't compare Covid 19 to flu, there is a vaccine for Flu for a start
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:06 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
Your point appears increasingly valid but neither you nor anyone else could have made this point in March/April.
The situation was different back in March/April. The initial lock down was designed to protect the NHS and get it up to speed by increasing capacity through creating the Nightingale Hospitals.
So I accept the initial lock down was required but it lasted far too long. It went from 23 March to the 4 July. I would have ended it in early May and I made posts then about how we should have followed a more Sweden type model on dealing with the crisis by spending more money on shielding the vulnerable (the care home scandal for one) and less on furloughing a whole work force.
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:01 pm
skidemin wrote:people died in large numbers in care homes in every country... this kills the oldest and weakest in society and many of them live in care homes... half the total comes from them...isnt it what you would expect. ?
as for ...protecting...the NHS, its suppose to protect us...and tbh isnt and hasnt its lost sight of what its there for months ago and evelvated covid to the be all and end all... thats the scandal..and it was there to be seen from day 1..
Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:23 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:skidemin wrote:people died in large numbers in care homes in every country... this kills the oldest and weakest in society and many of them live in care homes... half the total comes from them...isnt it what you would expect. ?
as for ...protecting...the NHS, its suppose to protect us...and tbh isnt and hasnt its lost sight of what its there for months ago and evelvated covid to the be all and end all... thats the scandal..and it was there to be seen from day 1..
COVID is/was a respiratory decease and if that had been acknowledged as such at the start then many lives of older people could have been saved. Certainly discharging COVID positive elderly people into nursing homes was both a disaster and a scandal.
Of course I would expect the elderly to be more vulnerable to a respiratory decease caused by COVID-19 and you would expect the Government to know the same and provide proper shielding for them from the off.
The Government message about the NHS was questionable but I certainly understood there was a need to buy time until the capacity was expanded enough to cope with the surge in very ill people.
Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:30 pm
skidemin wrote:Bluebina wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Bluebina wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:Bluebina wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:davids wrote:Too black and white.
For me it's an extremely dangerous virus for an extremely small proportion of the population.
To which there has been a massively disproportionate overreaction.
Totally agree. What the Government and scientists haven't appreciated is the pandemic is caused by a respiratory virus not an influencer virus.
Therefore anyone with a good set of lungs and in general good health has nothing to worry about and this virus is a minor ailment to them.
The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!
What a load of tosh!! I suggest people check their memories! It was widely reported at the time of his hospital stay"at no stage was the prime minister on a ventilator " and only recieved added oxygen to aid his breathing, where are these reports saying he was half dead?? The nearest thought of him being seriously ill,was his girlfriend saying they had some dark days during his stay! It was reported he went into intensive care"as a precaution " and in my belief,because of who he is,any other mortal would have to wait until necessary, to receive intensive care,these beds are only for people requiring intensive treatment,or are people suggesting
That the reports we were fed were deliberately hiding how seriously ill he was??![]()
Boris was in a bad way and in intensive care, how about Draper?
Do you honestly think either would have been worse with flu![]()
I've had it at least five times once in my fifties, 2 days in bed because due to the fever and temperature swings then take it easy for a few days that's it, Covid - 19 offers a far greater chance of a bad reaction.
If you had to catch one or other are you telling me you would rather catch Covid -19 to avoid having flu?
WTF are you on about mate? Where have I compared it to flu? And just because you have survived flu,doesn't mean it's the same for everyone! You may be surprised then,to hear flu has killed more under 10's than covid to date during this outbreak![]()
You say boris was in a bad way? And can you provide a shred of evidence he was?
I'll say it again,he was reportedly put in intensive care as a precaution,not my words,that's what we were told! So are you suggesting we were lied to?
If you are going to have a pop,at least provide some proof,that boris was "half dead"( your words)don't you think it would have been all over the media,if he was as bad as you thinkthe statements released,never once said he was at deaths door,just that he was receiving "oxygen as a support to help his breathing, he hasnt need ventilation at any stage" which to me sounds nothing like what you seem to think?? The leader of the country is supposedly at deaths door,and it wasn't headline news? Come on
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All the phone in's papers and political commentators were concerned, he was in intensive care which at that time only half came out without the coffin, if he had flu it would have been lemsip max strength for two days and then back in the office.
You can't compare Covid 19 to flu, there is a vaccine for Flu for a start
ICU was precautionary ..christ it was said enough..
no you cant compare, flu kills millions every year.. and kills younger.
the lemsip max sums it up for quite a few though. maybe if the big evil media giant or even doctor Hilary tells you differently you can shit yourself over flu too..
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:54 pm
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:16 am
bluesince62 wrote:The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:12 am
bluesince62 wrote:The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:16 am
skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:54 am
Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:36 pm
Bluebina wrote:skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:30 pm
skidemin wrote:Bluebina wrote:skidemin wrote:bluesince62 wrote:The massive overreaction has been to lock down those who face no danger from this virus. Only those in the vulnerable groups should have been locked down and the massive resources wasted on paying people to stay at home should have been diverted and used to shield the vulnerable instead whilst all healthy people should have been allowed to continue with their lives.
Boris was fucked with it, she saved due to his status and the best care in the country, Kate Garraways husband is in a bad way, I don’t think either had serious health issues or lung problems ?
Some people are underestimating it, and people comparing it to flu is ridiculous.
The average age of those who have died is 82. That is taking all the population into consideration not just two examples. As for the two examples you have quoted Boris was 55 and grossly overweight (that would be a vulnerable group) and Dreck Draper was 53 years of age and again overweight, but despite this neither have died.
It is not ridiculous to point out that a respiratory illness is different to an influencer illness. A respiratory virus will in 95% of cases kill over 80's or those with suppressed immune systems due to other medical conditions. Influencer affects and kills all ages like the Spanish Flu did.
My point is valid in that those who were healthy and young should have been allowed to continue with their lives whilst those who were considered vulnerable to a respiratory decease should have been shielded.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare COVID 19 with flu, if Draper or Boris caught flu they would have spent two days in bed and three days at home, not be half dead in hospital Intensive care, talk sense!
Draper and Boris are the same size as half the Country, flu does not kill fit fat 50 year olds l!!!