IF IM WRONG CHANGE MY MIND !!

Just an FYI. Quoting Hitler to defend your view probably isn't the best plan.

Trolling and lack of intellect demonstrated in just a few words.

Just an FYI. Quoting Hitler to defend your view probably isn't the best plan.

Why not if the quote is relevant?

Just an FYI. Quoting Hitler to defend your view probably isn't the best plan.

Trolling and lack of intellect demonstrated in just a few words.

Absolutely right

It looks like even the main stream media are struggling to push the fear agenda given the glaringly obvious and daily stats

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... wrong.html

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Just an FYI. Quoting Hitler to defend your view probably isn't the best plan.

Trolling and lack of intellect demonstrated in just a few words.

Absolutely right

'Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.'
Think that works for conspiracy theorists just as well.

You quote Adolf yet decried the last poster to do so?

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Plandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

im not big on conspiracy... but my maths is fine and these numbers do not add up to the reaction... and the reporting on it is incredibly selective.. one person in every 1650 has died here of it officially .. so if your living in an area / village of that size and its average where 1650 people live you could expect 15/16 deaths this year. its now 16/17...1 more.. and there is a significant chance the extra one might have died later in the year anyway { this sentence about significant overlap ive repeated from NHS England. } as its old with existing serious illness it kills mostly...
not sure about conspiracy because truth be told it was public/ media pressure that pushed us into lockdown and similarly in the USA... but having locked down, spent billions , crashed the economy our government can now not be anything other than ultra cautious ?

You quote Adolf yet decried the last poster to do so?

"Why not if the quote is relevant?"

Just an FYI. Quoting Hitler to defend your view probably isn't the best plan.

you can ignore it or just pretend it never happened all you like..but it did..and the German people were not that different to ourselves.. it happened because people were prepared to buy into it

Just an FYI. Quoting Hitler to defend your view probably isn't the best plan.

you can ignore it or just pretend it never happened all you like..but it did..and the German people were not that different to ourselves.. it happened because people were prepared to buy into it

I'm not ignoring it, I just don't think that quoting the leader of one of the worst groups in human history to promote your view is very wise.

If you started working at a factory and they put a sign above the entrance saying 'Work sets you free', would you find that acceptable? What if Boris Johnson started quoting Hitler?

I have to disagree with many points Nukes.
When you say people have a 99.9% chance of surviving, not sure where you got this info from try telling that to the families of the 40,000+ that have died
There is a big difference between not wearing a mask for influenza and pneumonia
(most likely cause of catching Pneumonia is bacteria and viruses living in your nose, sinuses, or mouth and spreading to your lungs) and there are vaccines for Influenza and pneumonia. For Covid19 there is none, and I believe that it will be many years before there is one that is effective and side effects free.
Do you honestly think that a healthy diet, vitamins, being happy, keep your immune system high, being happy may keep you mind healthy, and a healthy diet helps if you do catch Covid19 but it certainly does not prevent you catching Covid19.

Just to answer your reply. 40.000 plus deaths now this is why I said included in that total you have those that had Covid when they died but was not the cause of death. You have those older people who had Covid and put back in the care home system which then they infected other older people. I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death. So as you see that 40.000 is pretty damn dodgy number.
And yes an immune system fights viruses and helps keep us alive and this is why many with certain conditions that didn’t have much of an immune system (my wife included because of MS) were very vulnerable. But they are also vulnerable to all the other viruses and germs out there this is just another added to the mix.
And all what I said which raises your immune system is in fact true and can’t be denied. And depression does lower your immune system that is also fact. So I do stand by 100% what I wrote in the original post Chief.

Nukes, just one thing, there is no proof whatsoever of your statement
"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death" to me this is just another conspiracy theory, among many others. People will believe what they want to believe, personally without real proof, I tend to not believe the stuff posted on social media, much of it being fake news!

the had covid , did not die of covid was the reason the total figure was reduced by 5,300 .. England brought they way of calculating deaths into line with Wales, Scotland nd N Ireland by introducing the must die within 28 days method used in those countries... its got zilch to do with fake news, conspiracies or social media.....its well documented fact.... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/t ... -22477213..

much more sensible but still not right ? you test positive but are totally asymptomatic which most are on 1st sept.. have a heart attack and die on the 27th , they add you to the covid list..
i dont believe everything i read on social media either... but the main stream news are only partially telling the truth... as above...where were our press to be telling us the original figure included all sorts of deaths but had been included as covid because at some point in the past those people tested positive...

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

I have to disagree with many points Nukes.
When you say people have a 99.9% chance of surviving, not sure where you got this info from try telling that to the families of the 40,000+ that have died
There is a big difference between not wearing a mask for influenza and pneumonia
(most likely cause of catching Pneumonia is bacteria and viruses living in your nose, sinuses, or mouth and spreading to your lungs) and there are vaccines for Influenza and pneumonia. For Covid19 there is none, and I believe that it will be many years before there is one that is effective and side effects free.
Do you honestly think that a healthy diet, vitamins, being happy, keep your immune system high, being happy may keep you mind healthy, and a healthy diet helps if you do catch Covid19 but it certainly does not prevent you catching Covid19.

Why do they not prevent you from catching it? Immune systems have kept the species going for millions of years. But assuming you are right, then having a healthy immune system will at the very least, prevent you from dying from the disease. You talk about 40,000 people dying of Covid - yet in 1968 85,000 people died of the 'flu and in 1919 200,000 people died of Spanish 'flu - yet we did not lockdown. Furthermore, there is plenty of evidene out there to show that lockdowns do not work - Sweden did not lockdown yet its death rate is lower than ours. Wearing a mask may be fine for you, but not for me: it makes me anxious and my wife tells me that her breathing is affected. There is plenty of evidence out there that masks are bad for you. If you want me to send you links please pm me.

So just to clarify;

Lockdown and restrictions on interaction with people - 40,000 dead
No lockdown and carrying on as normal - 85,000 and 200,000 dead

Surely you’ve just justified that a lockdown is effective, the 40k dead is also with 52 and 101 years of advancement in medical knowledge and science compared to the other pandemics.
Sweden’s death rate may be lower than ours but our countries are wildly different, when you make comparisons between Sweden and their Scandinavian neighbours with similar climates, populations, lifestyles and cultures they come out considerably worse when looking at Norway, Finland and Denmark.
As for there being plenty of evidence that masks are bad for you I’d argue there’s 100x more evidence stating why they’re not harmful for you and how they can help control the pandemic.

Or you could use turkey as an example? 82m people,6,000 deaths! And had a partial lockdown,unless you were under 16 or over 65,who were told to stay home,plus people who had serious underlying conditions.
If as the experts are now saying,it's airborne, a mask will just prevent it entering mouths and noses,eyes are still vulnerable, as is every item of clothes you wear,your hair etc.,cases are rising around the globe,but that's because they are carrying out massive testing ? Where as early on they weren't doing many.
The saddest fact is more people will die because of covid,not with it or of it.

Okay, using Turkey as an example. They’ve conducted a total of 5.9 million tests, compared to the UK where we conducted nearly 2.5million tests in the past 2 weeks and we’ve been testing for nearly 6 months. Obviously not at the same level for the entirety of those 6 months but even within the first few weeks we were doing 50k+ tests every day. As you said the more tests that are carried out the more cases there will be.

As for it being airborne I’m not sure whether it’s been confirmed as airborne or if it’s still only theorised but that shouldn’t be an argument against wearing masks. For the virus to infect you it needs to get inside the body, a virus landing on your hair or clothing isn’t going to infect you, for that to happen it needs to enter via your eyes, nose, mouth which you’ve already pointed out a mask helps prevent 2 of the 3 causes of infection. Masks aren’t meant to remove the chance of infection just reduce it, the same way that people still die in car crashes despite having seatbelts and air bags but if we all drove around without these things deaths from road accidents would presumably skyrocket.

As for your last point, just because you call it a fact doesn’t actually make it a fact.

Didn't mean number of infections,was referring to the amount of deaths there,in a country that has nearly 20m more people than us,6,000,compared to 46,000?? But after thinking a bit more of it,perhaps it is because only a miniscule amount of elderly there are aging in care homes less than half a percent! The rest are growing old at home.thus didn't suffer as bad as our poor elderly in care homes?
And I'm not expecting you to take what I say as fact,it's the way I feel about it,of course it doesn't make it a fact for you,that's your perogative
so a virus that lands anywhere on your body,other than your mouth and nose, cannot infect you?so unless you have taken all your clothes off ,put them straight in the wash,had a shower immediately,what happens if you rub your head (itch) then rub your eye/mouth ? And the majority of people "wearing" a mask I've seen,seem to be either wearing it anywhere bar the correct place!! Or continually pawing at it,only covering the mouth,all making wearing one a little pointless for them,and others
.no doubt they would help if worn correctly! So to me if the virus is airborne, unless you own your own decontamination unit,you are still at risk of transferring it to your face in general (according to some,we touch our faces on average 5/7 times a minute! )

If a child was responsible for killing the Grand parent, I think they may grow up a bit differently than if hey hadn’t. The precautions are there due to the uncertainty.

i find this sort of comment a 100 times more frightening than any virus... for the first time in human history people are seriously beginning to be pushed into thinking a child could be held responsible for an elderly persons death from a virus... no mate your not to blame if Dai up the road gets covid and dies. your kids are not responsible if Mary the shop gets the flu and dies, and your grandchildren are not responsible if Mrs Smith their teacher gets measles and dies... im sure you have lived your life without it ever crossing your mind... people die , and people have died in far greater numbers without this unreasonable thinking.. and life has always been uncertain..

If a child was responsible for killing the Grand parent, I think they may grow up a bit differently than if hey hadn’t. The precautions are there due to the uncertainty.

i find this sort of comment a 100 times more frightening than any virus... for the first time in human history people are seriously beginning to be pushed into thinking a child could be held responsible for an elderly persons death from a virus... no mate your not to blame if Dai up the road gets covid and dies. your kids are not responsible if Mary the shop gets the flu and dies, and your grandchildren are not responsible if Mrs Smith their teacher gets measles and dies... im sure you have lived your life without it ever crossing your mind... people die , and people have died in far greater numbers without this unreasonable thinking.. and life has always been uncertain..

Spot on Chief

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

So you think they did this on purpose, still does not address the points about what I have highlighted above in red, this is where the conspiracy part comes into it!

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

So you think they did this on purpose, still does not address the points about what I have highlighted above in red, this is where the conspiracy part comes into it!

i have not ever claimed doctors get paid more.. ive read it quite a few times but not found anything official to back it up...
the article i posted does cover those recovered who then died of something else outside the 28 days... they havent taken people off that list who actually died of covid mate.... so...what if they make it 21 days, how many more thousands come off ? and what if they actually come clean and just count the people who died of covid.. ? . been saying this from day1 because how they count has been available since day1.. just like many things was not pumped out by our media / government who have not so much lied, or hidden the truth but pushed certain bits. eg.. the front page of NHS deaths a couple of months back.. yes they died and yes they had covid but the numbers of NHS workers to die in a normal year is slightly higher... ..and if you read that piece it actually says the way that was chosen to count deaths was to not UNDER estimate... truth is its in taking the 5300 off theyve already admitted they OVER estimated and scared the living daylights out of people... cost some their lives in the process...
i have no conspiracy theory. but do understand why they are out there.... when things do not add up, people look for other explanations... we have never crashed economies before so why now ?

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

So you think they did this on purpose, still does not address the points about what I have highlighted above in red, this is where the conspiracy part comes into it!

i have not ever claimed doctors get paid more.. ive read it quite a few times but not found anything official to back it up...
the article i posted does cover those recovered who then died of something else outside the 28 days... they havent taken people off that list who actually died of covid mate.... so...what if they make it 21 days, how many more thousands come off ? and what if they actually come clean and just count the people who died of covid.. ? . been saying this from day1 because how they count has been available since day1.. just like many things was not pumped out by our media / government who have not so much lied, or hidden the truth but pushed certain bits. eg.. the front page of NHS deaths a couple of months back.. yes they died and yes they had covid but the numbers of NHS workers to die in a normal year is slightly higher... ..and if you read that piece it actually says the way that was chosen to count deaths was to not UNDER estimate... truth is its in taking the 5300 off theyve already admitted they OVER estimated and scared the living daylights out of people... cost some their lives in the process...
i have no conspiracy theory. but do understand why they are out there.... when things do not add up, people look for other explanations... we have never crashed economies before so why now ?

This Crazy or not this is all down to getting Trump out. The only way they can defeat him was starting a race war and a virus that keeps people in there homes and only can vote via postal votes which is open to fraud. Crazy as it seems this is the only way they can out him out

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

So you think they did this on purpose, still does not address the points about what I have highlighted above in red, this is where the conspiracy part comes into it!

i have not ever claimed doctors get paid more.. ive read it quite a few times but not found anything official to back it up...
the article i posted does cover those recovered who then died of something else outside the 28 days... they havent taken people off that list who actually died of covid mate.... so...what if they make it 21 days, how many more thousands come off ? and what if they actually come clean and just count the people who died of covid.. ? . been saying this from day1 because how they count has been available since day1.. just like many things was not pumped out by our media / government who have not so much lied, or hidden the truth but pushed certain bits. eg.. the front page of NHS deaths a couple of months back.. yes they died and yes they had covid but the numbers of NHS workers to die in a normal year is slightly higher... ..and if you read that piece it actually says the way that was chosen to count deaths was to not UNDER estimate... truth is its in taking the 5300 off theyve already admitted they OVER estimated and scared the living daylights out of people... cost some their lives in the process...
i have no conspiracy theory. but do understand why they are out there.... when things do not add up, people look for other explanations... we have never crashed economies before so why now ?

This Crazy or not this is all down to getting Trump out. The only way they can defeat him was starting a race war and a virus that keeps people in there homes and only can vote via postal votes which is open to fraud. Crazy as it seems this is the only way they can out him out

Any person who thinks of things differently, are always classed as "conspiracy theorist" me? If it looks like shit,smells like shit,then I'm likely to lean towards,its likely to be shit! And the ONLY way to take him out? Hmmmmmmmm stranger things have happened to presidents in the past people doubt that more people will die,not of or with covid,but because of it!
A report last week quoted that depression has risen 50% through covid,and the effects of it,and that's the tip of the iceberg,as far as I am concerned, vital missed appointments, people terrified to go to hospital,and even worse,scared to go to the supermarkets!! And the constant reminders (if that's what they are called ) of the 2nd wave coming! Get ready for the scaremongering to ramp up again.
Whose ready for the miracle vaccine then!!

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

So you think they did this on purpose, still does not address the points about what I have highlighted above in red, this is where the conspiracy part comes into it!

i have not ever claimed doctors get paid more.. ive read it quite a few times but not found anything official to back it up...
the article i posted does cover those recovered who then died of something else outside the 28 days... they havent taken people off that list who actually died of covid mate.... so...what if they make it 21 days, how many more thousands come off ? and what if they actually come clean and just count the people who died of covid.. ? . been saying this from day1 because how they count has been available since day1.. just like many things was not pumped out by our media / government who have not so much lied, or hidden the truth but pushed certain bits. eg.. the front page of NHS deaths a couple of months back.. yes they died and yes they had covid but the numbers of NHS workers to die in a normal year is slightly higher... ..and if you read that piece it actually says the way that was chosen to count deaths was to not UNDER estimate... truth is its in taking the 5300 off theyve already admitted they OVER estimated and scared the living daylights out of people... cost some their lives in the process...
i have no conspiracy theory. but do understand why they are out there.... when things do not add up, people look for other explanations... we have never crashed economies before so why now ?

This Crazy or not this is all down to getting Trump out. The only way they can defeat him was starting a race war and a virus that keeps people in there homes and only can vote via postal votes which is open to fraud. Crazy as it seems this is the only way they can out him out

150+ countries and 24million positive cases from all over the world are all doing this to stop Trump getting re-elected? Absolutely ridiculous
Secondly, mail in voting is arguably safer than the electronic voting machines they use in America. Trump himself voted by mail last election

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

So you think they did this on purpose, still does not address the points about what I have highlighted above in red, this is where the conspiracy part comes into it!

i have not ever claimed doctors get paid more.. ive read it quite a few times but not found anything official to back it up...
the article i posted does cover those recovered who then died of something else outside the 28 days... they havent taken people off that list who actually died of covid mate.... so...what if they make it 21 days, how many more thousands come off ? and what if they actually come clean and just count the people who died of covid.. ? . been saying this from day1 because how they count has been available since day1.. just like many things was not pumped out by our media / government who have not so much lied, or hidden the truth but pushed certain bits. eg.. the front page of NHS deaths a couple of months back.. yes they died and yes they had covid but the numbers of NHS workers to die in a normal year is slightly higher... ..and if you read that piece it actually says the way that was chosen to count deaths was to not UNDER estimate... truth is its in taking the 5300 off theyve already admitted they OVER estimated and scared the living daylights out of people... cost some their lives in the process...
i have no conspiracy theory. but do understand why they are out there.... when things do not add up, people look for other explanations... we have never crashed economies before so why now ?

This Crazy or not this is all down to getting Trump out. The only way they can defeat him was starting a race war and a virus that keeps people in there homes and only can vote via postal votes which is open to fraud. Crazy as it seems this is the only way they can out him out

150+ countries and 24million positive cases from all over the world are all doing this to stop Trump getting re-elected? Absolutely ridiculous
Secondly, mail in voting is arguably safer than the electronic voting machines they use in America. Trump himself voted by mail last election

i dont know about the trump thing.. but something is not right
but pumping out numbers without taking into account comparisons is also ridiculous....not only has the world never locked down for a virus. even those that are more infectious and deadly than this.. but countries are actively out there testing millions who are not ill to increase the numbers... when you read articles of the amount of people infected by measles, the hong kong flu or even the normal flu etc the numbers are collated by people who have been ill enough to go to doctors/ hospital or died... imagine how high the flu infection numbers would be if they set up testing stations nationwide and picked up all the mildly infected and asymptomatic...? would blow those numbers to bits...

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

So you think they did this on purpose, still does not address the points about what I have highlighted above in red, this is where the conspiracy part comes into it!

i have not ever claimed doctors get paid more.. ive read it quite a few times but not found anything official to back it up...
the article i posted does cover those recovered who then died of something else outside the 28 days... they havent taken people off that list who actually died of covid mate.... so...what if they make it 21 days, how many more thousands come off ? and what if they actually come clean and just count the people who died of covid.. ? . been saying this from day1 because how they count has been available since day1.. just like many things was not pumped out by our media / government who have not so much lied, or hidden the truth but pushed certain bits. eg.. the front page of NHS deaths a couple of months back.. yes they died and yes they had covid but the numbers of NHS workers to die in a normal year is slightly higher... ..and if you read that piece it actually says the way that was chosen to count deaths was to not UNDER estimate... truth is its in taking the 5300 off theyve already admitted they OVER estimated and scared the living daylights out of people... cost some their lives in the process...
i have no conspiracy theory. but do understand why they are out there.... when things do not add up, people look for other explanations... we have never crashed economies before so why now ?

This Crazy or not this is all down to getting Trump out. The only way they can defeat him was starting a race war and a virus that keeps people in there homes and only can vote via postal votes which is open to fraud. Crazy as it seems this is the only way they can out him out

Any person who thinks of things differently, are always classed as "conspiracy theorist" me? If it looks like shit,smells like shit,then I'm likely to lean towards,its likely to be shit! And the ONLY way to take him out? Hmmmmmmmm stranger things have happened to presidents in the past people doubt that more people will die,not of or with covid,but because of it!
A report last week quoted that depression has risen 50% through covid,and the effects of it,and that's the tip of the iceberg,as far as I am concerned, vital missed appointments, people terrified to go to hospital,and even worse,scared to go to the supermarkets!! And the constant reminders (if that's what they are called ) of the 2nd wave coming! Get ready for the scaremongering to ramp up again.
Whose ready for the miracle vaccine then!!

yep.. the first official answer is the right answer .who shot JFK.... correct answer Lee Harvey Oswald...? at least it was correct for many people for a long time , you agreed or were a conspiracy theorist... its not so clear now though which in effect makes all those who went along with the first answer conspiracy theorists themselves...?

Can anyone from the 'conspicacy theory' types tell me why the government would want this to be happening?

I am genuinely interested, I don't get it as I don't see how any of this is in anyone's interest but I'm open to learning, someone mentioned there is something coming out called Pandemic? that is supposed to be an eye opener

It is all social media fake news conspiracy theorists fiction not facts

So tell me what I have said that is a conspiracy theory ? If you are brainwashed into believing what the government and media say is true then thee is not a lot I can say that will change your mind

Nukes you statement about being brainwashed by the government, please tell me why would they do that, what on earth do they gain? I am not brainwashed by anyone, I have a medical background spanning many years, and have my own experience to rely on, not anyone else's. As for the conspiracy that I am on about, it is your statement, I quote

"I was hearing even if someone had Covid recovered and left if they died of something totally unrelated Covid was still put down. I also heard doctors was getting paid extra if they put covid as cause of death"

Where on earth did you get that from? It's ok to put this stuff on the internet, but where is the proof?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKCN2582CY

So you think they did this on purpose, still does not address the points about what I have highlighted above in red, this is where the conspiracy part comes into it!

i have not ever claimed doctors get paid more.. ive read it quite a few times but not found anything official to back it up...
the article i posted does cover those recovered who then died of something else outside the 28 days... they havent taken people off that list who actually died of covid mate.... so...what if they make it 21 days, how many more thousands come off ? and what if they actually come clean and just count the people who died of covid.. ? . been saying this from day1 because how they count has been available since day1.. just like many things was not pumped out by our media / government who have not so much lied, or hidden the truth but pushed certain bits. eg.. the front page of NHS deaths a couple of months back.. yes they died and yes they had covid but the numbers of NHS workers to die in a normal year is slightly higher... ..and if you read that piece it actually says the way that was chosen to count deaths was to not UNDER estimate... truth is its in taking the 5300 off theyve already admitted they OVER estimated and scared the living daylights out of people... cost some their lives in the process...
i have no conspiracy theory. but do understand why they are out there.... when things do not add up, people look for other explanations... we have never crashed economies before so why now ?

This Crazy or not this is all down to getting Trump out. The only way they can defeat him was starting a race war and a virus that keeps people in there homes and only can vote via postal votes which is open to fraud. Crazy as it seems this is the only way they can out him out

150+ countries and 24million positive cases from all over the world are all doing this to stop Trump getting re-elected? Absolutely ridiculous
Secondly, mail in voting is arguably safer than the electronic voting machines they use in America. Trump himself voted by mail last election

i dont know about the trump thing.. but something is not right
but pumping out numbers without taking into account comparisons is also ridiculous....not only has the world never locked down for a virus. even those that are more infectious and deadly than this.. but countries are actively out there testing millions who are not ill to increase the numbers... when you read articles of the amount of people infected by measles, the hong kong flu or even the normal flu etc the numbers are collated by people who have been ill enough to go to doctors/ hospital or died... imagine how high the flu infection numbers would be if they set up testing stations nationwide and picked up all the mildly infected and asymptomatic...? would blow those numbers to bits...

I’m not talking about the conspiracy over the numbers being accurate, that’s a completely different conversation if I’m honest. I’m on about the conspiracy that this virus was created to stop trump getting re-elected and to get Americans to vote from home. That’s what I think is ridiculous.
Again, voting by mail is less open to fraud than the electronic machines.

west coast blue

i agree there must be better ways of getting rid of Trump than a questionable pandemic...there was even a chance he could have handled covid really well
as for the numbers...so much just does not seem right....why have Germany had much the same restrictions as ourselves ? the 2018 flu killed 25 k where covid has killed 9k.... and over 5million flu cases in 2018 { physician signed , people who were actually ill enough to seek medical help } compared to 230k covid { some who were caught up in testing after not even feeling ill }

thats TWENTY times as many flu cases... i dont get it..

west coast blue

i agree there must be better ways of getting rid of Trump than a questionable pandemic...there was even a chance he could have handled covid really well
as for the numbers...so much just does not seem right....why have Germany had much the same restrictions as ourselves ? the 2018 flu killed 25 k where covid has killed 9k.... and over 5million flu cases in 2018 { physician signed , people who were actually ill enough to seek medical help } compared to 230k covid { some who were caught up in testing after not even feeling ill }

thats TWENTY times as many flu cases... i dont get it..

Without any background in medicine or virology or biology (which also applies to the majority of the speculators) off the top of my head I can think of a few things.
The Flu is treatable, we understand how it's transmitted, how it attacks the body, how lethal it is, how long it can survive on surfaces, etc.
As for Covid, when the first official reports came out of China they were saying thousands had died, hundreds of thousands were infected. These were also after unofficial reports were saying the death toll was in the hundreds of thousands and it was millions infected, there were videos of people dying in the streets, being locked into their houses, soldiers on the streets, temporary "hospitals" that looked more like prisons. People were saying 60 million people were in severe lockdown. There was so much uncertainty coupled with China being an untrustworthy source of information.
Even now we don't have a cure, there's still debates on how it is transmitted, we don't know if people can be reinfected, we don't know if there are new strains, we don't know if it will mutate. Hence the added caution.
As for Germany with 25k flu deaths and 9k Covid deaths on the flipside you have the UK which has around 10k flu deaths annually yet 40k Covid deaths in 6 months.

west coast blue

i agree there must be better ways of getting rid of Trump than a questionable pandemic...there was even a chance he could have handled covid really well
as for the numbers...so much just does not seem right....why have Germany had much the same restrictions as ourselves ? the 2018 flu killed 25 k where covid has killed 9k.... and over 5million flu cases in 2018 { physician signed , people who were actually ill enough to seek medical help } compared to 230k covid { some who were caught up in testing after not even feeling ill }

thats TWENTY times as many flu cases... i dont get it..

Without any background in medicine or virology or biology (which also applies to the majority of the speculators) off the top of my head I can think of a few things.
The Flu is treatable, we understand how it's transmitted, how it attacks the body, how lethal it is, how long it can survive on surfaces, etc.
As for Covid, when the first official reports came out of China they were saying thousands had died, hundreds of thousands were infected. These were also after unofficial reports were saying the death toll was in the hundreds of thousands and it was millions infected, there were videos of people dying in the streets, being locked into their houses, soldiers on the streets, temporary "hospitals" that looked more like prisons. People were saying 60 million people were in severe lockdown. There was so much uncertainty coupled with China being an untrustworthy source of information.
Even now we don't have a cure, there's still debates on how it is transmitted, we don't know if people can be reinfected, we don't know if there are new strains, we don't know if it will mutate. Hence the added caution.
As for Germany with 25k flu deaths and 9k Covid deaths on the flipside you have the UK which has around 10k flu deaths annually yet 40k Covid deaths in 6 months.

videos of people dying on the streets... ?
no

west coast blue

i agree there must be better ways of getting rid of Trump than a questionable pandemic...there was even a chance he could have handled covid really well
as for the numbers...so much just does not seem right....why have Germany had much the same restrictions as ourselves ? the 2018 flu killed 25 k where covid has killed 9k.... and over 5million flu cases in 2018 { physician signed , people who were actually ill enough to seek medical help } compared to 230k covid { some who were caught up in testing after not even feeling ill }

thats TWENTY times as many flu cases... i dont get it..

Without any background in medicine or virology or biology (which also applies to the majority of the speculators) off the top of my head I can think of a few things.
The Flu is treatable, we understand how it's transmitted, how it attacks the body, how lethal it is, how long it can survive on surfaces, etc.
As for Covid, when the first official reports came out of China they were saying thousands had died, hundreds of thousands were infected. These were also after unofficial reports were saying the death toll was in the hundreds of thousands and it was millions infected, there were videos of people dying in the streets, being locked into their houses, soldiers on the streets, temporary "hospitals" that looked more like prisons. People were saying 60 million people were in severe lockdown. There was so much uncertainty coupled with China being an untrustworthy source of information.
Even now we don't have a cure, there's still debates on how it is transmitted, we don't know if people can be reinfected, we don't know if there are new strains, we don't know if it will mutate. Hence the added caution.
As for Germany with 25k flu deaths and 9k Covid deaths on the flipside you have the UK which has around 10k flu deaths annually yet 40k Covid deaths in 6 months.

videos of people dying on the streets... ?
no

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860656/ ... an-street/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... rus-crisis

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... s-21347952

All of these are from back in January, 3 major News websites covering the story of people dying or dead in public. My point was there was a lot of uncertainty about the truth coming out of China due to them hiding the figures and attempting to silence any whistle blowers. I'm not actually saying Covid will cause you to drop dead.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN21F05U

And a link showing that it took until March (the earliest I could find) for someone to disprove some of the images coming out of China.

west coast blue

i agree there must be better ways of getting rid of Trump than a questionable pandemic...there was even a chance he could have handled covid really well
as for the numbers...so much just does not seem right....why have Germany had much the same restrictions as ourselves ? the 2018 flu killed 25 k where covid has killed 9k.... and over 5million flu cases in 2018 { physician signed , people who were actually ill enough to seek medical help } compared to 230k covid { some who were caught up in testing after not even feeling ill }

thats TWENTY times as many flu cases... i dont get it..

Without any background in medicine or virology or biology (which also applies to the majority of the speculators) off the top of my head I can think of a few things.
The Flu is treatable, we understand how it's transmitted, how it attacks the body, how lethal it is, how long it can survive on surfaces, etc.
As for Covid, when the first official reports came out of China they were saying thousands had died, hundreds of thousands were infected. These were also after unofficial reports were saying the death toll was in the hundreds of thousands and it was millions infected, there were videos of people dying in the streets, being locked into their houses, soldiers on the streets, temporary "hospitals" that looked more like prisons. People were saying 60 million people were in severe lockdown. There was so much uncertainty coupled with China being an untrustworthy source of information.
Even now we don't have a cure, there's still debates on how it is transmitted, we don't know if people can be reinfected, we don't know if there are new strains, we don't know if it will mutate. Hence the added caution.
As for Germany with 25k flu deaths and 9k Covid deaths on the flipside you have the UK which has around 10k flu deaths annually yet 40k Covid deaths in 6 months.

videos of people dying on the streets... ?
no

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860656/ ... an-street/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... rus-crisis

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... s-21347952

All of these are from back in January, 3 major News websites covering the story of people dying or dead in public. My point was there was a lot of uncertainty about the truth coming out of China due to them hiding the figures and attempting to silence any whistle blowers. I'm not actually saying Covid will cause you to drop dead.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN21F05U

And a link showing that it took until March (the earliest I could find) for someone to disprove some of the images coming out of China.

these had been disproved before we locked down.....fake news and part of operation scaremonger... dont ask me why as i do not know.. but right from the beginning of this there was a concerted effort by the press to scare..
as for Germany. .there is no flip side. Germany is Germany.... and my point being a modern well thought of country reacting as they have when they have dealt with worse makes no sense..
China were reporting both very few deaths and cases long before our lockdown.. but even at its peak the numbers were just not there... even the W.H.O were very reluctant to call it a pandemic