Tan appreciation thread

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

People have their own opinions on Vincent Tan, I have made mine known,and since 72 will have read them,for me,life is way way too short to carry a grudge over what is just a sport?? I get the "religion"feel myself,as no doubt many thousands do,yes,I despaired at the red,but have forgiven him for what I see as his one mistake to date (unless you include throwing his money at managers,in return for average fare in return,acorn etc)the badge? Well he ain't the first to change it is he? And for me,it's better than hammams one! Not perfect,but at least we can see who we are on there (bluebird) I respect those who decided to stay away,as that's their moral choice,what I don't get,is people seem unable to get past,THE PAST. imagine if we all united and got behind the man? And in truth,show him a modicum of respect for what he HAS done to date,which is to keep us afloat,driving towards sustainability, still,after taking a massive hit on his fortunes, gives the manager a little money to spend,not a lot I know,but these are unprecedented times in the sporting world,purse strings,have suddenly become padlocks! ! I for won say thank you Mr Tan, and I have forgiven your rather big error of judgement around tradition in football.will I ever forget it? Of course not.

Perfect that.

Very well put

Agreed

Cheers guys,it's just he way I see it,for those who cannot forgive him,even after changing back,and pumping his cash in to keep us afloat,and without it,we all know where we would be if we are truthful
If as a fan I hated him,as some no doubt seem to,I wouldn't even be on this board until he sold us,why would I help his club,by spending my hard earned cash to go to a game,and buying merch from the shop?? And lastly,hate is an emotion we are not born with,its taught,his money has allowed the club to have the most successful period in my time,for that I salute him.I do believe that if fans united behind him,and showed him a little gratitude, he could well thrive on the backing,and may even take the padlock off the purse to push for a sustained period at the top table.as I say,just my take on his stewardship of our beloved bluebirds.

You have got to remember though that a lot of the debt we owe him is due to his inexperience and bad ownership of the club. He was the one signing off all the transfers and contracts which left us in a mess and owing him so much money. We have been promoted twice in the last 7 years, yet we still owe him a lot of money. So yes we are very lucky that he is still putting money into the club and is turning debt into equity, as he doesnt have to do it - not many owners would do the same. But on the flip side he is essentially sorting out a mess he left us in.

Moving forward though, he does appear to have learnt from his mistakes and the club seems to be run in more sustainable way and hopefully that continues for a long time to come.

i think this, he was signing off on them , get out of jail card regarding knocking him is well over used.... of course he did.. a business man with little background in football who had appointed well paid experts to make decisions on ability and value.. do you want him backing the manager or do you want him deciding the manager is wrong ?

Yeah trusting Malky was one of his biggest mistakes. As was letting Ole play football manager with his money.

There is a difference between backing a manager and throwing money at players in a unsustainable way. Which is exactly what he did with Ole. His intentions were obviously good but that doesn't change the fact that it essentially resulted in a lot of wasted money which contributed to our debt. Personally, I would take club stability over overspending and putting the club at risk. It appears that is the way the club is being currently being run which I think the majority of fans are happy with. I think it is only a small minority of fans that are still anti tan.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

That does get forgotten. He wanted red to market us to Asia and he liked it. Offered to stick with blue with no major money coming in. We wanted money.

We wanted our cake and to eat it. In many ways we got that by going back to blue. Anyone still massively anti-Tan I’m afraid is just difficult for difficulty sake.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

That does get forgotten. He wanted red to market us to Asia and he liked it. Offered to stick with blue with no major money coming in. We wanted money.

We wanted our cake and to eat it. In many ways we got that by going back to blue. Anyone still massively anti-Tan I’m afraid is just difficult for difficulty sake.

I would have been delighted to have stayed Blue without investment. I would have had no problem doing a Portsmouth and if that did not work out I would have been happy to die being Blue.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

That does get forgotten. He wanted red to market us to Asia and he liked it. Offered to stick with blue with no major money coming in. We wanted money.

We wanted our cake and to eat it. In many ways we got that by going back to blue. Anyone still massively anti-Tan I’m afraid is just difficult for difficulty sake.

I would have been delighted to have stayed Blue without investment. I would have had no problem doing a Portsmouth and if that did not work out I would have been happy to die being Blue.

Ian, with full respect I know you would...

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

That does get forgotten. He wanted red to market us to Asia and he liked it. Offered to stick with blue with no major money coming in. We wanted money.

We wanted our cake and to eat it. In many ways we got that by going back to blue. Anyone still massively anti-Tan I’m afraid is just difficult for difficulty sake.

I would have been delighted to have stayed Blue without investment. I would have had no problem doing a Portsmouth and if that did not work out I would have been happy to die being Blue.

My only comments on this pathetic topic.

FACTS.

Exactly Ian, Neil aka Maccydee is talking bull shit, he actually knows nothing at all, just guess work,with more bull shit, I went to over 40 meetings over a 4 yr period. I had talks with Tan, Malky,3 different CEO'S and I stated to everyone of them from day one, I would rather STAY BLUE & NO INVESTMENT & EVEN TAKE 2 RELEGATIONS, TO KEEP OUR IDENTITY & PRIDE

We never ever gave up and stayed true to our identity as our numbers grew over a long period of battles, suddenly those who gave away our identity, try to brush it under the carpet and make out it was nothing really, for me thats not a true fan.

i said back then, at least Pompey could be proud

And Neil/Maccydee was not even there at matches during those periods, so cant really comment as he has no idea of the true feelings.

The problem was, we were the minority not enough of us to stop us losing our identity, thats the truth, the others sold their souls.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

That does get forgotten. He wanted red to market us to Asia and he liked it. Offered to stick with blue with no major money coming in. We wanted money.

We wanted our cake and to eat it. In many ways we got that by going back to blue. Anyone still massively anti-Tan I’m afraid is just difficult for difficulty sake.

I would have been delighted to have stayed Blue without investment. I would have had no problem doing a Portsmouth and if that did not work out I would have been happy to die being Blue.

My only comments on this pathetic topic.

FACTS.

Exactly Ian, Neil aka Maccydee is talking bull shit, he actually knows nothing at all, just guess work,with more bull shit, I went to over 40 meetings over a 4 yr period. I had talks with Tan, Malky,3 different CEO'S and I stated to everyone of them from day one, I would rather STAY BLUE & NO INVESTMENT & EVEN TAKE 2 RELEGATIONS, TO KEEP OUR IDENTITY & PRIDE

We never ever gave up and stayed true to our identity as our numbers grew over a long period of battles, suddenly those who gave away our identity, try to brush it under the carpet and make out it was nothing really, for me thats not a true fan.

i said back then, at least Pompey could be proud

And Neil/Maccydee was not even there at matches during those periods, so cant really comment as he has no idea of the true feelings.

The problem was, we were the minority not enough of us to stop us losing our identity, thats the truth, the others sold their souls.

Hey Annis, where have I talked bullshit?

I have said in an earlier post there were some against it from the start and many of those attended the meeting in City are. You were very much one of them and we chatted at length about that at the time. I also have no doubt Ian means what he says.

However there weren’t many and the numbers increased as the success stopped. That’s a FACT.

Because you don’t like the post (and the considerable support it has garnered) you call it pathetic. The OP was about the fact despite so many clubs battening down there hatches we have actually signed a player that we needed.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

That does get forgotten. He wanted red to market us to Asia and he liked it. Offered to stick with blue with no major money coming in. We wanted money.

We wanted our cake and to eat it. In many ways we got that by going back to blue. Anyone still massively anti-Tan I’m afraid is just difficult for difficulty sake.

I would have been delighted to have stayed Blue without investment. I would have had no problem doing a Portsmouth and if that did not work out I would have been happy to die being Blue.

i dont doubt it mate . i would have too , id been to lge2 in blue a couple of times.... trouble is nowhere near enough felt strongly enough about it .. my gripe is there are a lot of people now prepared to slag Tan over the rebrand now who at the time did not bat an eyelid...

And there was me thinking this was an appreciation thread

And there was me thinking this was an appreciation thread

Not anymore.

And there was me thinking this was an appreciation thread

Not anymore.

Shame really,but have to say,why call it a pathetic topic? (Annis) seems every close season,the anti tan message come to the fore! As my father taught me,"if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing" after all,if you don't appreciate what he has done for the club,then don't post? We all know how certain people feel regards the colour fiasco,but it's confined to history,as we are now back in our rightful colour blue,when our grandkids look into the history of ccfc,it will be there,so will never be forgotten.
There are far worse things happening around the world to be angry with/at,

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

[quote="Bakedalasker"]That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?[/quote


pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

And there was me thinking this was an appreciation thread

Not anymore.

Shame really,but have to say,why call it a pathetic topic? (Annis) seems every close season,the anti tan message come to the fore! As my father taught me,"if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing" after all,if you don't appreciate what he has done for the club,then don't post? We all know how certain people feel regards the colour fiasco,but it's confined to history,as we are now back in our rightful colour blue,when our grandkids look into the history of ccfc,it will be there,so will never be forgotten.
There are far worse things happening around the world to be angry with/at,

Well it’s not something he agrees with hence calling it pathetic. Surprised usual suspects line didn’t come out. As for me talking bullshit. There’s nothing in the thread that is bullshit. I thought he would be happy with the number of posts and hits this thread has. Doesn’t happen often of late on this board with the significant deterioration in quality lately. Besides Many have agreed with me and they were all about at the time.

Tan has made mistakes but the good far outweighs the bad. We are really solid at the moment. Our biggest problem is which of our two class keepers to keep. We are moving forward on and off the pitch.

And there was me thinking this was an appreciation thread

Not anymore.

Shame really,but have to say,why call it a pathetic topic? (Annis) seems every close season,the anti tan message come to the fore! As my father taught me,"if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing" after all,if you don't appreciate what he has done for the club,then don't post? We all know how certain people feel regards the colour fiasco,but it's confined to history,as we are now back in our rightful colour blue,when our grandkids look into the history of ccfc,it will be there,so will never be forgotten.
There are far worse things happening around the world to be angry with/at,

Well it’s not something he agrees with hence calling it pathetic. Surprised usual suspects line didn’t come out. As for me talking bullshit. There’s nothing in the thread that is bullshit. I thought he would be happy with the number of posts and hits this thread has. Doesn’t happen often of late on this board with the significant deterioration in quality lately. Besides Many have agreed with me and they were all about at the time.

Tan has made mistakes but the good far outweighs the bad. We are really solid at the moment. Our biggest problem is which of our two class keepers to keep. We are moving forward on and off the pitch.

The usual suspect line,works both ways imo many on here are long term followers,and we're around the dark days of div 4 (see name change isn't working ) and we were going one way before tan got on board,but some have their swords drawn at the final game, ready to re hash bad feelings towards Tan, and I even noticed today, a little pop at our managers "honesty"?
I suppose we have to put up with it until he sells us,and cross our fingers with new owner/s,that they are as honourable as the current one,meaning they want what's best/right for our club,and don't leave us in a perilous situation if things go south!
In the current times,the saying "better the devil you know" is apt,just look at Wigan! !
Onwards and upwards I say! Come on City! !!

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

Who exactly was this offered to then? Me, my dad and brother were season tickets holders at the time, we were not given the option whether we wanted it or not.

My last message on this subject

Fxck Tan and il never really forgive the man, and yes this was my dream someone earlier said I'm selfish it's all about me.

What a stupid comment, most true Cardiff fans didn't want us in red and don't see that prem experience as us.

People who got on board with it are just people today, lose there dignity, pride, soul just to be in the big league

How sad, yes as some other poster said

I'd rather see us in league 2 in blue with our badge than in red with a bunch of plastics.

Thankfully, you've made your last comment on the subject, as it's a very silly one...

First of of all, if we had any other option at the time, Vincent tan would not now be perhaps the most benevolent benefactor we've ever had; certainly financially

Secondly, whilst some others say he 'had no right' to change the colours, he certainly did and the challenges to him doing so were weak, if not very well intentioned

Certainly there were a small number and we don't hear from Bully Beef and his entourage much these days, who decided what was 'best' for c.23000+ other supporters from within the confines of their own heads

But the vast majority?

Hmmm, methinks the majority of the support made it clear they weren't happy but continued to support THE CLUB throughout in surreal times I hope are never repeated

It wasn't good, it wasn't comfortable and it certainly wasn't a great time

Some (as Charlie Harper claims above) stayed away for the whole time, whilst others made their protests and moved on more in hope than anticipation that anything would change soon; maybe they were the real supporters who stayed through thin and thin at the time?

Whether we liked it or not (and most including me didn't) Vincent tan had every right to change the colour; the very fact he did with little real challenge and some encouragement from the few sycophants, showed that; as did a mere £100m investment that not only kept us afloat but also saw us reach the Premier League for the very first time

I'm not condoning what Vincent Tan did on the colour front; I'm just stating that it was his prerogative, his decision and thankfully, one he saw wasn't the right one in the end and which he reversed

He made a mistake, he corrected it and he moved on...

Time we did, too!

good post mate....
initially i was bouncing , made a considerable detour to watch the bluebirds unite billboard going up outside the ninian park pub, and walked down to the castle for the first very poorly attended protest ,and that was it ,well apart from wearing a blue top to every game.... it was crystal clear not too many felt that strongly about it ..nobody wanted red but plenty were prepared to tolerate it for the investment. until things started going wrong .. 23k attending a game and only a few hundred tagged on to the protest that most had to actually pass to enter the ground. yet 2 years on these people are singing anti tan songs..

Much like Halifax or Rochdale away though there were thousands there. Lol.

mate, i had a few pretty horrible arguments towards the end of the prem season.. not over red/blue as such because i hated being red...but over mates of mine who did not give a shit about anything other than investment couldnt even get them to come with me down to the castle when the colour got changed now singing VT is a vvanker. ive always been of the opinion the first month while it could be stopped was the time to stand up .. not after we had been spending..

Happy when we were spending, happy when we were winning the championship, really happy when we were beating Man City 3-2. Less happy when we started losing. Then again when relegated. A bit happier when we had the best squad in the Championship under Ole. Then when it started going tits the objections really grew.

the bit that more often than not gets left out is that he offered to drop the whole idea... rebrand and investment..
but like with so many things its easier to blame Tan than blame yourself.. truth is if the initial meltdown had continued we would never have been red... where in the league we might be is anyones guess...

Who exactly was this offered to then? Me, my dad and brother were season tickets holders at the time, we were not given the option whether we wanted it or not.

he did not consult individual ST holders { thank god } he made the statement... and the volume of anger and vociferous opposition dropped off a cliff.. yes there were those that continued to campaign but the reality was nowhere near enough for any owner of any business to sit up and take notice.. which is what he did a couple of years later when people seriously campaigned in numbers.....

Let’s face it if Ole had worked out and we were still in the Premier League we would still be in red and even fewer people would be moaning about retaining blue! Leeds changed from blue to white to become the Real Madrid of Britain and for about ten years they were a top 3 team, and they have never turned back to blue! So the traditionalists should be grateful we were relegated and Tan was forced to return to blue, at least he has stuck with us and continued to invest and he is certainly the best owner in my 60 years supporting the City!

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

Everything starts of small and that meeting was well documented. There are a number of members on here who knew about the meeting and a few of them went there too. I know quite a number that attended and the picture I got of the Red Brigade was to say the least very disappointing and shocking. They turned up for one thing and achieved their goal. That set the demonstrations back until Bluebirds Unite were born.

I went to that first meeting of Bluebirds Unite. The pub it was held in was ramsacked with Bluebird supporters. The press were there to interview us and I was one of them. The place was filled with all sorts of characters such as unsavoury characters who served time for the Chelsea game and well known respected high profile Cardiff fans. There was no sign of Bully Beef or his cronies. I wonder why?

For me that night was the start of us getting our identity back. This meeting happened just before the start of the Premier campaign. It would have happened before hand but we were asked not to start anything until we had secured promotion. We obliged as we wanted to attract the fan that was too much engrossed in the football. It was not ideal but we felt it was the best thing to do.


I will agree with you about the overwhelming fans statement. That was very hard to stomach but I knew they would turn once something started to go wrong and it did. For me this undoing of a wrong would have never happened if Bluebirds Unite was not there. They kept the pressure up as much as they could and took their chance when they could. You know this is how most opposition movements are born and how they grow.

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

Everything starts of small and that meeting was well documented. There are a number of members on here who knew about the meeting and a few of them went there too. I know quite a number that attended and the picture I got of the Red Brigade was to say the least very disappointing and shocking. They turned up for one thing and achieved their goal. That set the demonstrations back until Bluebirds Unite were born.

I went to that first meeting of Bluebirds Unite. The pub it was held in was ramsacked with Bluebird supporters. The press were there to interview us and I was one of them. The place was filled with all sorts of characters such as unsavoury characters who served time for the Chelsea game and well known respected high profile Cardiff fans. There was no sign of Bully Beef or his cronies. I wonder why?

For me that night was the start of us getting our identity back. This meeting happened just before the start of the Premier campaign. It would have happened before hand but we were asked not to start anything until we had secured promotion. We obliged as we wanted to attract the fan that was too much engrossed in the football. It was not ideal but we felt it was the best thing to do.


I will agree with you about the overwhelming fans statement. That was very hard to stomach but I knew they would turn once something started to go wrong and it did. For me this undoing of a wrong would have never happened if Bluebirds Unite was not there. They kept the pressure up as much as they could and took their chance when they could. You know this is how most opposition movements are born and how they grow.

i think its easy to assume lots of people know about something because those you talk to do... honestly mate first i heard about it was after the event on here.. and ive spoken to loads who have no idea what im on about if its brought up { far more were unaware of that meeting and what happened than actually were possibly are not even now aware }
as for opposition movements building . we are talking here about people that didnt even have to go out of their way to join these protests as the destination was the car park on match days.. anyway , initially like you i found it hard to stomach.. unlike you my attitude changed.. seemed to me our fanbase in general { which as a ST holder i was one of } had voted with their feet and accepted this { deal }. , we had not rioted or burned the ground down { both things i had said to me by fans of other clubs would happen had it been them } we hadnt even protested properly.. Tan had invested.. so WE had made our bed so lie in it...so as i see it, how can you blame one man when literally 10s of thousands just stood by ? and the majority of those chucking anger and blame now are those it took two years and some pretty dour football to even sing a song and join a march.. i get those that got embroiled in it and took it as a personal battle ..i dont get the thousands who now hate him but did not when things were hunky dory...

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

Everything starts of small and that meeting was well documented. There are a number of members on here who knew about the meeting and a few of them went there too. I know quite a number that attended and the picture I got of the Red Brigade was to say the least very disappointing and shocking. They turned up for one thing and achieved their goal. That set the demonstrations back until Bluebirds Unite were born.

I went to that first meeting of Bluebirds Unite. The pub it was held in was ramsacked with Bluebird supporters. The press were there to interview us and I was one of them. The place was filled with all sorts of characters such as unsavoury characters who served time for the Chelsea game and well known respected high profile Cardiff fans. There was no sign of Bully Beef or his cronies. I wonder why?

For me that night was the start of us getting our identity back. This meeting happened just before the start of the Premier campaign. It would have happened before hand but we were asked not to start anything until we had secured promotion. We obliged as we wanted to attract the fan that was too much engrossed in the football. It was not ideal but we felt it was the best thing to do.


I will agree with you about the overwhelming fans statement. That was very hard to stomach but I knew they would turn once something started to go wrong and it did. For me this undoing of a wrong would have never happened if Bluebirds Unite was not there. They kept the pressure up as much as they could and took their chance when they could. You know this is how most opposition movements are born and how they grow.

i think its easy to assume lots of people know about something because those you talk to do... honestly mate first i heard about it was after the event on here.. and ive spoken to loads who have no idea what im on about if its brought up { far more were unaware of that meeting and what happened than actually were possibly are not even now aware }
as for opposition movements building . we are talking here about people that didnt even have to go out of their way to join these protests as the destination was the car park on match days.. anyway , initially like you i found it hard to stomach.. unlike you my attitude changed.. seemed to me our fanbase in general { which as a ST holder i was one of } had voted with their feet and accepted this { deal }. , we had not rioted or burned the ground down { both things i had said to me by fans of other clubs would happen had it been them } we hadnt even protested properly.. Tan had invested.. so WE had made our bed so lie in it...so as i see it, how can you blame one man when literally 10s of thousands just stood by ? and the majority of those chucking anger and blame now are those it took two years and some pretty dour football to even sing a song and join a march.. i get those that got embroiled in it and took it as a personal battle ..i dont get the thousands who now hate him but did not when things were hunky dory...

Completely agree with this. Even at its height the numbers were relatively low. A lot of people didn’t care enough to miss their pre-match pint.

Ian and Annis were against it from the start. I can’t argue with that and won’t. That was their right to do. Others like Dave Sugarman stopped going entirely (50 people asked for a season ticket refund and they deserve respect).

The numbers of dissenters increased as the quality of the football decreased and the slide down the table happened. Then lots used it to justify not going anymore even though they went with us in red and winning. That is of course their choice to do that but just be honest. It is to be noted that the owner of this board still went to games in spite of his personal opinions. That was his choice and also deserves respect.

The thread has gotten off track from its original point which was while most other teams at our level are wondering where the money is going to come from to pay wages etc we are actually in a position to sign players. Had our debt not been reduced significantly then we would not be able to do that without an owner who has continued to be an excellent custodian of our club.

For that I stand by the title of the thread.

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

Everything starts of small and that meeting was well documented. There are a number of members on here who knew about the meeting and a few of them went there too. I know quite a number that attended and the picture I got of the Red Brigade was to say the least very disappointing and shocking. They turned up for one thing and achieved their goal. That set the demonstrations back until Bluebirds Unite were born.

I went to that first meeting of Bluebirds Unite. The pub it was held in was ramsacked with Bluebird supporters. The press were there to interview us and I was one of them. The place was filled with all sorts of characters such as unsavoury characters who served time for the Chelsea game and well known respected high profile Cardiff fans. There was no sign of Bully Beef or his cronies. I wonder why?

For me that night was the start of us getting our identity back. This meeting happened just before the start of the Premier campaign. It would have happened before hand but we were asked not to start anything until we had secured promotion. We obliged as we wanted to attract the fan that was too much engrossed in the football. It was not ideal but we felt it was the best thing to do.


I will agree with you about the overwhelming fans statement. That was very hard to stomach but I knew they would turn once something started to go wrong and it did. For me this undoing of a wrong would have never happened if Bluebirds Unite was not there. They kept the pressure up as much as they could and took their chance when they could. You know this is how most opposition movements are born and how they grow.

i think its easy to assume lots of people know about something because those you talk to do... honestly mate first i heard about it was after the event on here.. and ive spoken to loads who have no idea what im on about if its brought up { far more were unaware of that meeting and what happened than actually were possibly are not even now aware }
as for opposition movements building . we are talking here about people that didnt even have to go out of their way to join these protests as the destination was the car park on match days.. anyway , initially like you i found it hard to stomach.. unlike you my attitude changed.. seemed to me our fanbase in general { which as a ST holder i was one of } had voted with their feet and accepted this { deal }. , we had not rioted or burned the ground down { both things i had said to me by fans of other clubs would happen had it been them } we hadnt even protested properly.. Tan had invested.. so WE had made our bed so lie in it...so as i see it, how can you blame one man when literally 10s of thousands just stood by ? and the majority of those chucking anger and blame now are those it took two years and some pretty dour football to even sing a song and join a march.. i get those that got embroiled in it and took it as a personal battle ..i dont get the thousands who now hate him but did not when things were hunky dory...

"Rioted or burned down" would have got us nowhere and I doubt any other club would have reverted to such tactics if they were in the same situation as we were.

As for accepting the "deal" this is something I question the thinking behind. There is an unwritten rule in football and that is you support your team regardless. You choose your team and its for life. You stick with it regardless. You see a top player get transferred. Does this mean you accept that decision because you continue to support the team? Of course not and the same can be said about supporting the team during the rebrand.

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

Everything starts of small and that meeting was well documented. There are a number of members on here who knew about the meeting and a few of them went there too. I know quite a number that attended and the picture I got of the Red Brigade was to say the least very disappointing and shocking. They turned up for one thing and achieved their goal. That set the demonstrations back until Bluebirds Unite were born.

I went to that first meeting of Bluebirds Unite. The pub it was held in was ramsacked with Bluebird supporters. The press were there to interview us and I was one of them. The place was filled with all sorts of characters such as unsavoury characters who served time for the Chelsea game and well known respected high profile Cardiff fans. There was no sign of Bully Beef or his cronies. I wonder why?

For me that night was the start of us getting our identity back. This meeting happened just before the start of the Premier campaign. It would have happened before hand but we were asked not to start anything until we had secured promotion. We obliged as we wanted to attract the fan that was too much engrossed in the football. It was not ideal but we felt it was the best thing to do.


I will agree with you about the overwhelming fans statement. That was very hard to stomach but I knew they would turn once something started to go wrong and it did. For me this undoing of a wrong would have never happened if Bluebirds Unite was not there. They kept the pressure up as much as they could and took their chance when they could. You know this is how most opposition movements are born and how they grow.

i think its easy to assume lots of people know about something because those you talk to do... honestly mate first i heard about it was after the event on here.. and ive spoken to loads who have no idea what im on about if its brought up { far more were unaware of that meeting and what happened than actually were possibly are not even now aware }
as for opposition movements building . we are talking here about people that didnt even have to go out of their way to join these protests as the destination was the car park on match days.. anyway , initially like you i found it hard to stomach.. unlike you my attitude changed.. seemed to me our fanbase in general { which as a ST holder i was one of } had voted with their feet and accepted this { deal }. , we had not rioted or burned the ground down { both things i had said to me by fans of other clubs would happen had it been them } we hadnt even protested properly.. Tan had invested.. so WE had made our bed so lie in it...so as i see it, how can you blame one man when literally 10s of thousands just stood by ? and the majority of those chucking anger and blame now are those it took two years and some pretty dour football to even sing a song and join a march.. i get those that got embroiled in it and took it as a personal battle ..i dont get the thousands who now hate him but did not when things were hunky dory...

"Rioted or burned down" would have got us nowhere and I doubt any other club would have reverted to such tactics if they were in the same situation as we were.

As for accepting the "deal" this is something I question the thinking behind. There is an unwritten rule in football and that is you support your team regardless. You choose your team and its for life. You stick with it regardless. You see a top player get transferred. Does this mean you accept that decision because you continue to support the team? Of course not and the same can be said about supporting the team during the rebrand.

Couldn't agree more. You do support your team for life.

Good times, bad times.

The idolising of players, managers and the friendships and comerarderie built along the way stays for ever.

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

Everything starts of small and that meeting was well documented. There are a number of members on here who knew about the meeting and a few of them went there too. I know quite a number that attended and the picture I got of the Red Brigade was to say the least very disappointing and shocking. They turned up for one thing and achieved their goal. That set the demonstrations back until Bluebirds Unite were born.

I went to that first meeting of Bluebirds Unite. The pub it was held in was ramsacked with Bluebird supporters. The press were there to interview us and I was one of them. The place was filled with all sorts of characters such as unsavoury characters who served time for the Chelsea game and well known respected high profile Cardiff fans. There was no sign of Bully Beef or his cronies. I wonder why?

For me that night was the start of us getting our identity back. This meeting happened just before the start of the Premier campaign. It would have happened before hand but we were asked not to start anything until we had secured promotion. We obliged as we wanted to attract the fan that was too much engrossed in the football. It was not ideal but we felt it was the best thing to do.


I will agree with you about the overwhelming fans statement. That was very hard to stomach but I knew they would turn once something started to go wrong and it did. For me this undoing of a wrong would have never happened if Bluebirds Unite was not there. They kept the pressure up as much as they could and took their chance when they could. You know this is how most opposition movements are born and how they grow.

i think its easy to assume lots of people know about something because those you talk to do... honestly mate first i heard about it was after the event on here.. and ive spoken to loads who have no idea what im on about if its brought up { far more were unaware of that meeting and what happened than actually were possibly are not even now aware }
as for opposition movements building . we are talking here about people that didnt even have to go out of their way to join these protests as the destination was the car park on match days.. anyway , initially like you i found it hard to stomach.. unlike you my attitude changed.. seemed to me our fanbase in general { which as a ST holder i was one of } had voted with their feet and accepted this { deal }. , we had not rioted or burned the ground down { both things i had said to me by fans of other clubs would happen had it been them } we hadnt even protested properly.. Tan had invested.. so WE had made our bed so lie in it...so as i see it, how can you blame one man when literally 10s of thousands just stood by ? and the majority of those chucking anger and blame now are those it took two years and some pretty dour football to even sing a song and join a march.. i get those that got embroiled in it and took it as a personal battle ..i dont get the thousands who now hate him but did not when things were hunky dory...

To be fair, I havnt heard an anti Tan song since we lost 2-0 away at Burton and cant recall the last time he was even mentioned in the pubs etc - which can only be a good thing. I think the majority of fans are happy with how the club is being run and those who still hold a grudge arnt outspoken about it now and it's only a small minority of fans who are.

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

Everything starts of small and that meeting was well documented. There are a number of members on here who knew about the meeting and a few of them went there too. I know quite a number that attended and the picture I got of the Red Brigade was to say the least very disappointing and shocking. They turned up for one thing and achieved their goal. That set the demonstrations back until Bluebirds Unite were born.

I went to that first meeting of Bluebirds Unite. The pub it was held in was ramsacked with Bluebird supporters. The press were there to interview us and I was one of them. The place was filled with all sorts of characters such as unsavoury characters who served time for the Chelsea game and well known respected high profile Cardiff fans. There was no sign of Bully Beef or his cronies. I wonder why?

For me that night was the start of us getting our identity back. This meeting happened just before the start of the Premier campaign. It would have happened before hand but we were asked not to start anything until we had secured promotion. We obliged as we wanted to attract the fan that was too much engrossed in the football. It was not ideal but we felt it was the best thing to do.


I will agree with you about the overwhelming fans statement. That was very hard to stomach but I knew they would turn once something started to go wrong and it did. For me this undoing of a wrong would have never happened if Bluebirds Unite was not there. They kept the pressure up as much as they could and took their chance when they could. You know this is how most opposition movements are born and how they grow.

i think its easy to assume lots of people know about something because those you talk to do... honestly mate first i heard about it was after the event on here.. and ive spoken to loads who have no idea what im on about if its brought up { far more were unaware of that meeting and what happened than actually were possibly are not even now aware }
as for opposition movements building . we are talking here about people that didnt even have to go out of their way to join these protests as the destination was the car park on match days.. anyway , initially like you i found it hard to stomach.. unlike you my attitude changed.. seemed to me our fanbase in general { which as a ST holder i was one of } had voted with their feet and accepted this { deal }. , we had not rioted or burned the ground down { both things i had said to me by fans of other clubs would happen had it been them } we hadnt even protested properly.. Tan had invested.. so WE had made our bed so lie in it...so as i see it, how can you blame one man when literally 10s of thousands just stood by ? and the majority of those chucking anger and blame now are those it took two years and some pretty dour football to even sing a song and join a march.. i get those that got embroiled in it and took it as a personal battle ..i dont get the thousands who now hate him but did not when things were hunky dory...

To be fair, I havnt heard an anti Tan song since we lost 2-0 away at Burton and cant recall the last time he was even mentioned in the pubs etc - which can only be a good thing. I think the majority of fans are happy with how the club is being run and those who still hold a grudge arnt outspoken about it now and it's only a small minority of fans who are.

My last comment on the whole episode, I don’t start anymore Anti Tan stuff and never actually talk about him anymore at matches , just concentrate on the football nowadays , it’s not me who starts the Tan topics to get people to bite.

I just concentrate on NEIL HARRIS & his capabilities and admitted I got him totally wrong

As to Tan, everyone is allowed their opinions, but it has be done to death so, I try my hardest to stay of his topics as I did this one and hopefully I can next season just talk about the manager and players .

But I saw so many things said in this which was wrong about the fans who stayed Blue, I had to put the facts in and from day one I never changed my stance and never will about the rebrand

If there is new news on any board. Member of course I will put it out

That I'm afraid that was one part of the whole disappointment of it all. I knew quite a lot like that who had followed the Bluebirds for many a decade. It did not help when a group tried to start up an opposition to it all only to have their meeting hijacked by the infamous Red Brigade led my adaptly nicknamed in this thread Bully Beef. Fortunately they were no where to be seen once the opposition got their act together under the banner of Bluebirds Unite. It was these guys who kept the hope up and should be given the total credit to why we are back in Blue.

Anyway lets get back on track with this thread where the OP is trying to glorify Tan because we have spent money on a striker in comparison to other clubs who have not spent anything but will rely on loanees. Of course this is the biggest weapon the pro Tan guys have got. The rumour is Tan has spent millions to keep us a float. For me I can't argue that Tan did not give Malky money to get to the Premier. Same can be said for when we started our premier campaign. That's were my credit will stop.

Tan brought in Ole who screwed it up big time. That was a Tan signing so he has to take responsibility of the money lost during that time. For the Malky signings we got most of our money back there except for Acorn. However, all that was lost was made up of the parachute payments many times over. Next Russel Slade came it and cut down the wage bill. Then came the masterpiece work of appointing Warnock who got us another shot at the Premier treasure chest. Only hiccup getting there was Madine but that would be small potatoes compared to what we were about to get from that chest again. Lets be honest but comapred to other clubs that have been promoted to the Premier our spending has been rarer small compared to the others. My question is how much has Tan recouped from the 2 adventures to the Premier?

pro tan guys...how can you be anything other than pro Tan.. or whoever the owner is come to that, its all a bit short sighted.. and the meeting ? in the grand scheme of things it was a small group... the overwhelming attitude of our fans was to accept the red for the investment not accept it out of fear.. the vast majority had no idea there was a meeting let alone what happened there..

Everything starts of small and that meeting was well documented. There are a number of members on here who knew about the meeting and a few of them went there too. I know quite a number that attended and the picture I got of the Red Brigade was to say the least very disappointing and shocking. They turned up for one thing and achieved their goal. That set the demonstrations back until Bluebirds Unite were born.

I went to that first meeting of Bluebirds Unite. The pub it was held in was ramsacked with Bluebird supporters. The press were there to interview us and I was one of them. The place was filled with all sorts of characters such as unsavoury characters who served time for the Chelsea game and well known respected high profile Cardiff fans. There was no sign of Bully Beef or his cronies. I wonder why?

For me that night was the start of us getting our identity back. This meeting happened just before the start of the Premier campaign. It would have happened before hand but we were asked not to start anything until we had secured promotion. We obliged as we wanted to attract the fan that was too much engrossed in the football. It was not ideal but we felt it was the best thing to do.


I will agree with you about the overwhelming fans statement. That was very hard to stomach but I knew they would turn once something started to go wrong and it did. For me this undoing of a wrong would have never happened if Bluebirds Unite was not there. They kept the pressure up as much as they could and took their chance when they could. You know this is how most opposition movements are born and how they grow.

i think its easy to assume lots of people know about something because those you talk to do... honestly mate first i heard about it was after the event on here.. and ive spoken to loads who have no idea what im on about if its brought up { far more were unaware of that meeting and what happened than actually were possibly are not even now aware }
as for opposition movements building . we are talking here about people that didnt even have to go out of their way to join these protests as the destination was the car park on match days.. anyway , initially like you i found it hard to stomach.. unlike you my attitude changed.. seemed to me our fanbase in general { which as a ST holder i was one of } had voted with their feet and accepted this { deal }. , we had not rioted or burned the ground down { both things i had said to me by fans of other clubs would happen had it been them } we hadnt even protested properly.. Tan had invested.. so WE had made our bed so lie in it...so as i see it, how can you blame one man when literally 10s of thousands just stood by ? and the majority of those chucking anger and blame now are those it took two years and some pretty dour football to even sing a song and join a march.. i get those that got embroiled in it and took it as a personal battle ..i dont get the thousands who now hate him but did not when things were hunky dory...

To be fair, I havnt heard an anti Tan song since we lost 2-0 away at Burton and cant recall the last time he was even mentioned in the pubs etc - which can only be a good thing. I think the majority of fans are happy with how the club is being run and those who still hold a grudge arnt outspoken about it now and it's only a small minority of fans who are.

My last comment on the whole episode, I don’t start anymore Anti Tan stuff and never actually talk about him anymore at matches , just concentrate on the football nowadays , it’s not me who starts the Tan topics to get people to bite.

I just concentrate on NEIL HARRIS & his capabilities and admitted I got him totally wrong

As to Tan, everyone is allowed their opinions, but it has be done to death so, I try my hardest to stay of his topics as I did this one and hopefully I can next season just talk about the manager and players .

But I saw so many things said in this which was wrong about the fans who stayed Blue, I had to put the facts in and from day one I never changed my stance and never will about the rebrand

If there is new news on any board. Member of course I will put it out

I too underestimated NH and have been happy to have been proven wrong.

Always have and will be committed to fully supporting my life long team.

C'mon city