UPDATED VINCE ALM: “ No refund message on Season Tickets “

All back room staff are not expecting fans until AFTER CHRISTMAS in there opinion, that’s what they were saying to fans today who watched unofficially .

In England Radio 5 reporting this morning that stadium capacity in September will be a maximum of 30%, with 1 meter spacing. You will though be able to sit as a family of up to 4 people.
Every other row occupied with 1 meter spacing all around you.

I don't see how this will work though, say you are in a row with other fans socially distancing,then one needs to go to the toilet during the game, they will have to walk straight past you much closer than 1 meter

I didn't know social distancing had changed in Wales thought its still 2mtrs? Passing someone is ok it happens all the time on pavement... shops ... in fact everywhere... so why should it be different at football?

Correct. Really don't know why schools, shops, etc., are being charged with developing one way systems when the guidance if that any exposure within 2 metres would have to be for at least 15 mins before it significantly increased the risk.

It's easy to socially distance in the arena and toilets on that basis with reduced capacity. The only thing they may have to do is stop people hanging about in the concourses, bars, food outlets and approach to the stadium.

Why is it suddenly more risky to walk past somebody at a football ground than working past somebody in Primark

In the stadium if they are going to have a seat every 3 places and a one way system, please tell me bow the hell are you going to socially distance? Because when I am passing someone in a row, I am inches away from that person, there is no other way to pass, and even if it's one way you still have to pass people on the way back. the only way that would work is if you only had two people in a row at each end of the row, you would be lucky to get 500 people in there on that basis, it is just not going to work. I suppose not many people have thought about it.

In England Radio 5 reporting this morning that stadium capacity in September will be a maximum of 30%, with 1 meter spacing. You will though be able to sit as a family of up to 4 people.
Every other row occupied with 1 meter spacing all around you.

I don't see how this will work though, say you are in a row with other fans socially distancing,then one needs to go to the toilet during the game, they will have to walk straight past you much closer than 1 meter

I didn't know social distancing had changed in Wales thought its still 2mtrs? Passing someone is ok it happens all the time on pavement... shops ... in fact everywhere... so why should it be different at football?

Correct. Really don't know why schools, shops, etc., are being charged with developing one way systems when the guidance if that any exposure within 2 metres would have to be for at least 15 mins before it significantly increased the risk.

It's easy to socially distance in the arena and toilets on that basis with reduced capacity. The only thing they may have to do is stop people hanging about in the concourses, bars, food outlets and approach to the stadium.

Why is it suddenly more risky to walk past somebody at a football ground than working past somebody in Primark

In the stadium if they are going to have a seat every 3 places and a one way system, please tell me bow the hell are you going to socially distance? Because when I am passing someone in a row, I am inches away from that person, there is no other way to pass, and even if it's one way you still have to pass people on the way back. the only way that would work is if you only had two people in a row at each end of the row, you would be lucky to get 500 people in there on that basis, it is just not going to work. I suppose not many people have thought about it.

People cannot or do not pass 2mtrs away in shops on streets try doing it in st davids same in shops on busses list is endless so why can't you pass by people in stadium that's the question we are asking?

In England Radio 5 reporting this morning that stadium capacity in September will be a maximum of 30%, with 1 meter spacing. You will though be able to sit as a family of up to 4 people.
Every other row occupied with 1 meter spacing all around you.

I don't see how this will work though, say you are in a row with other fans socially distancing,then one needs to go to the toilet during the game, they will have to walk straight past you much closer than 1 meter

I didn't know social distancing had changed in Wales thought its still 2mtrs? Passing someone is ok it happens all the time on pavement... shops ... in fact everywhere... so why should it be different at football?

Correct. Really don't know why schools, shops, etc., are being charged with developing one way systems when the guidance if that any exposure within 2 metres would have to be for at least 15 mins before it significantly increased the risk.

It's easy to socially distance in the arena and toilets on that basis with reduced capacity. The only thing they may have to do is stop people hanging about in the concourses, bars, food outlets and approach to the stadium.

Why is it suddenly more risky to walk past somebody at a football ground than working past somebody in Primark

In the stadium if they are going to have a seat every 3 places and a one way system, please tell me bow the hell are you going to socially distance? Because when I am passing someone in a row, I am inches away from that person, there is no other way to pass, and even if it's one way you still have to pass people on the way back. the only way that would work is if you only had two people in a row at each end of the row, you would be lucky to get 500 people in there on that basis, it is just not going to work. I suppose not many people have thought about it.

Just follow the guidance, it doesn't take 15 mins to walk past somebody !! The guidance is clear on the UK and Welsh government sites as well as the World Health Organisation site.

For additional mitigation they could insist on face masks but even that is unproven.

Passing somebody whilst walking past them does not significantly increase the risk, sitting next to them within 2 metres for 15+mins does. I hope Drakeford is not going to be inconsistent towards football fans here. He keeps saying he'll follow the scientific advice, so let's see it.

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In England Radio 5 reporting this morning that stadium capacity in September will be a maximum of 30%, with 1 meter spacing. You will though be able to sit as a family of up to 4 people.
Every other row occupied with 1 meter spacing all around you.

I don't see how this will work though, say you are in a row with other fans socially distancing,then one needs to go to the toilet during the game, they will have to walk straight past you much closer than 1 meter

I didn't know social distancing had changed in Wales thought its still 2mtrs? Passing someone is ok it happens all the time on pavement... shops ... in fact everywhere... so why should it be different at football?

Correct. Really don't know why schools, shops, etc., are being charged with developing one way systems when the guidance if that any exposure within 2 metres would have to be for at least 15 mins before it significantly increased the risk.

It's easy to socially distance in the arena and toilets on that basis with reduced capacity. The only thing they may have to do is stop people hanging about in the concourses, bars, food outlets and approach to the stadium.

Why is it suddenly more risky to walk past somebody at a football ground than working past somebody in Primark

In the stadium if they are going to have a seat every 3 places and a one way system, please tell me bow the hell are you going to socially distance? Because when I am passing someone in a row, I am inches away from that person, there is no other way to pass, and even if it's one way you still have to pass people on the way back. the only way that would work is if you only had two people in a row at each end of the row, you would be lucky to get 500 people in there on that basis, it is just not going to work. I suppose not many people have thought about it.

People cannot or do not pass 2mtrs away in shops on streets try doing it in st davids same in shops on busses list is endless so why can't you pass by people in stadium that's the question we are asking?

Allan i am not sure where you shop, as I am out shopping all the time and it really is easy to avoid people if you want to! Never had a problem doing that even with the idiots out there!
Ps I don't travel on buses, or trains and in the stadium we are talking of inches

In England Radio 5 reporting this morning that stadium capacity in September will be a maximum of 30%, with 1 meter spacing. You will though be able to sit as a family of up to 4 people.
Every other row occupied with 1 meter spacing all around you.

I don't see how this will work though, say you are in a row with other fans socially distancing,then one needs to go to the toilet during the game, they will have to walk straight past you much closer than 1 meter

I didn't know social distancing had changed in Wales thought its still 2mtrs? Passing someone is ok it happens all the time on pavement... shops ... in fact everywhere... so why should it be different at football?

Correct. Really don't know why schools, shops, etc., are being charged with developing one way systems when the guidance if that any exposure within 2 metres would have to be for at least 15 mins before it significantly increased the risk.

It's easy to socially distance in the arena and toilets on that basis with reduced capacity. The only thing they may have to do is stop people hanging about in the concourses, bars, food outlets and approach to the stadium.

Why is it suddenly more risky to walk past somebody at a football ground than working past somebody in Primark

In the stadium if they are going to have a seat every 3 places and a one way system, please tell me bow the hell are you going to socially distance? Because when I am passing someone in a row, I am inches away from that person, there is no other way to pass, and even if it's one way you still have to pass people on the way back. the only way that would work is if you only had two people in a row at each end of the row, you would be lucky to get 500 people in there on that basis, it is just not going to work. I suppose not many people have thought about it.

People cannot or do not pass 2mtrs away in shops on streets try doing it in st davids same in shops on busses list is endless so why can't you pass by people in stadium that's the question we are asking?

Allan i am not sure where you shop, as I am out shopping all the time and it really is easy to avoid people if you want to! Never had a problem doing that even with the idiots out there!
Ps I don't travel on buses, or trains and in the stadium we are talking of inches

Whilst it is easy to avoid people very few do and I shop in a holiday hot spot, seriously people are literally inches away passing on paths as so many people here ! But think point is passing by for 10 seconds is not risky as need several minutes exposure unless they sneeze or cough in your face!! And of course it's ok to have thousands in public areas bay/ beach ect closer than 2mtrs uncontrolled but its not ok in a very controlled way in sports stadiums? And now people saying no fans before xmas? Is that viable in efl seriously doubt it..

They will refund again no doubt. They wouldn't want to be seen to be screwing their fan base surely? Cant sell a product and then not give it to you.

They would have got more season tickets if they hadn't try to screw fans with no redund statement.

No sympathy for clubs up and down the land when players are paid only what we can dream of. Save all your sympathy for your fellow working man and not these bug corps.

My understanding was that supporters club made them back track on no refund statement.

But they haven't back tracked on the conditions they imposed.

But they haven't back tracked on the conditions they imposed.

Which is why my group of 5 as well as I’m sure thousands of others haven’t renewed. I think it was an awful stance from the club, games were still gonna be played at the CCS whether there were fans or not meaning there is zero additional cost to the club for closed door games. How they can justify charging fans for those games is baffling. I personally don’t think a streaming code counts as compensation either.

But they haven't back tracked on the conditions they imposed.

Which is why my group of 5 as well as I’m sure thousands of others haven’t renewed. I think it was an awful stance from the club, games were still gonna be played at the CCS whether there were fans or not meaning there is zero additional cost to the club for closed door games. How they can justify charging fans for those games is baffling. I personally don’t think a streaming code counts as compensation either.

Completely agree.

Renewals in "corporate" / level 4 areas must be way down. All well and good having a "free?" streaming service in lieu of a £250 ticket as reasonably comparable to the stream cost if its £10 a match. But doesn't quite marry to paying a £1000. £10 a match seems a bit heavy mind too.