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Re: As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Tue May 05, 2020 12:42 pm

stuey1981 wrote:Let's not pretend Spain have done well annis even with there hard lock down. All your doing on here is knocking the UK. 95 percent of people are doing what they should and there is no hard evidence that social distancing whilst having a walk or run or trip to the supermarket is a huge difference. As for roads, from someone who is using them daily the roads have 20 percent of the traffic compared to normal in Cardiff. For what takes me over an hour from penarth to Caerphilly I'm now doing in 30 minutes and whilst ofcourse there are Cars on the road a lot of the traffic is lorries, vans, utilities etc. Only around 2000 deaths are outside of England with ofcourse London being the worst. Has everything been done right.? In hindsight No but im fed up of coming here to see you say Spain getting better etc were doing it right and constantly bashing the UK. Also yes numbers will be higher as I'm sure will be the same for all countries. But there are lots of deaths being put down to covid as they had it but would have died anyway. I know of 3 personally in last 3 weeks




UK now officially has the 2nd worse death toll from the virus in the world :cry: :cry:

Many argued that UK was doing right on a soft lockdown

Many did not see a problem in how life continued with many continuing going out etc etc

ITV:

UK Now way above average and looking to be the worst in the world not including USA when hopefully all this ends.




Other countries advised the UK weeks in advance and it was ignored by the UK Govt including many Uk citizens totally ignoring what was going on in the other countries.


UK needed to have a proper lockdown.


The blame lies with the UK Govt and many of the citizens not using common sense :cry:
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Re: As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Tue May 05, 2020 8:19 pm

Looks like we have another medical expert who has left his job - For not doing what he told us to do !!!

Flouting your own rules

As mentioned, Professor Neil Ferguson has quit his role advising the government on coronavirus after admitting "undermining" the messages on social distancing rules.

Prof Ferguson leads the team at Imperial College London and their research claimed more than 500,000 Britons would die because of Covid-19 if no measures were taken, with Prime Minister Boris Johnson then introducing a lockdown in Britain on 23 March.

Prof Ferguson's departure comes after the Daily Telegraph reported he had allowed a woman to visit him.

He is not the first medical expert to have left their position after breaching the rules they were asking other Britons to observe. On 6 April, Scotland's chief medical officer, Dr Catherine Calderwood, resigned after making two trips to her second home during the lockdown.

Re: As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Tue May 05, 2020 8:22 pm

The scientist whose advice prompted Boris Johnson to lockdown Britain has resigned from his government advisory position as the Telegraph can reveal he broke social distancing rules to meet his married lover.

Professor Neil Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing to reduce the spread of coronavirus. The woman lives with her husband and their children in another house.

The epidemiologist leads a team at Imperial College London that produced the computer-modelled research prompting the national lockdown, which claimed more than 500,000 Britons would die without it.

Prof Ferguson has frequently taken to the media to support the lockdown and praised the “very intensive social distancing” measures.

Re: As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Tue May 05, 2020 11:58 pm

Crayfish wrote:Anyone advocating an even longer and more draconian lockdown is going to have to explain why Swenden which has had the least draconian lockdown in Western Europe has less than half the number of deaths per head of the population than Britain Spain France Italy and Belgium. If all these dire predictions of how many deaths will occur without a lockdown why isn't it happening in Sweden. It seems to me that when this whole thing is done and dusted Sweden my well be seen to have done best of all. Much more likely to have herd immunity too which means they will be less affected by any future outbreaks.


Reasons are tenfold:

1. Sweden has a much lower population density, when compared to the other 2 Scandinavian countries it has more deaths per head
2 its environment is less hospitable to the virus
3. Sweden doesnt have as active airports, which were bring potentially sick people in by the plane load.

These are your reasons for why their deaths are lower than ours.

Re: As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Wed May 06, 2020 12:15 am

Forever Blue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:We as a nation cant handle a proper lockdown. With lack of staff and policing around the country. We simply have not got enough police to do what Spain and Italy have done. So people in the UK are more relaxed than ever because of the fact that the UK cant simply do a full lockdown because of lack of staff to patrol streets.


Sam, your right on this the UK cant do it or handle a proper lockdown and for this they will sadly suffer by far the worst :cry: :cry: :cry:

I for one condemn this current Govt and yet I admit voted for them as it was a choice between them or Corbyn which he would of been even worse.

Plus common sense by Uk public not used by the minority.


Have a lot of respect for you changing your opinion on the current government Annis. It's a very hard thing to do. But its absolute rubbish to suggest one man would of done worse. It's baseless and a bit juvenile tbh. To those harping on about sweden, they have a different climate, population density and our airports are far busier. The two nations are in no way comparable. Additionally if you compare our current number of deaths for the month to the same time last year, this gives you an idea of the extent of covid deaths:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... e-11977394

This provides you a reliable metric for number of covid deaths.

Re: As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Wed May 06, 2020 12:42 am

LaBamba wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:We as a nation cant handle a proper lockdown. With lack of staff and policing around the country. We simply have not got enough police to do what Spain and Italy have done. So people in the UK are more relaxed than ever because of the fact that the UK cant simply do a full lockdown because of lack of staff to patrol streets.


Sam, your right on this the UK cant do it or handle a proper lockdown and for this they will sadly suffer by far the worst :cry: :cry: :cry:

I for one condemn this current Govt and yet I admit voted for them as it was a choice between them or Corbyn which he would of been even worse.

Plus common sense by Uk public not used by the minority.


Have a lot of respect for you changing your opinion on the current government Annis. It's a very hard thing to do. But its absolute rubbish to suggest one man would of done worse. It's baseless and a bit juvenile tbh. To those harping on about sweden, they have a different climate, population density and our airports are far busier. The two nations are in no way comparable. Additionally if you compare our current number of deaths for the month to the same time last year, this gives you an idea of the extent of covid deaths:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... e-11977394

This provides you a reliable metric for number of covid deaths.



it does nothing of the sort though..as for climates and airports. get real...Belgium has only a small percentage of air traffic that the uk gets.. and climate has been dismissed by scientists all over the world.... haven't seen anyone so wrong since that roath was on here spouting 45% death rate.
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Re: As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Wed May 06, 2020 4:14 pm

Jenrick urges people to buy a newspaper warning of 'significant financial pressure'

The Communities Secretary explains that today's press conference is being targeted at the regional papers.

A free country needs a free press, says Robert Jenrick, noting that many are under "significant financial pressure".

He urges everyone to buy a paper if they can.

Re: As the Uk, virtually lifts its pretend lockdown

Thu May 07, 2020 7:15 pm

Lockdown and the UK – who decides what?

Restrictions on people’s movement are set out in laws that differ in each separate UK nation - England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - and can be adapted differently.

This has led to some differences - for example only Wales has made it illegal to leave your house for exercise more than once a day. There are no daily limits elsewhere in the UK.

The power to shut and reopen schools and manage pubic transport is also held by each UK nation. As is the matter of social distancing in the workplace - Scotland and Wales differ legally to England and Northern Ireland, where the two-metre rule is not a requirement.

However some decisions, such as on border control at ports of entry and alcohol licensing, are taken by the UK government.

It is also worth noting that other decisions relevant to lockdowns - for example, whether to close parks - are taken at an even more local level by councils.