The severe demise of the ayatollah

Stop calling it Islamic terrorism, in your own words not very pc,unless you suffer from islamophobia if you want to see terrorism culprits,try reading dancing Israelis, not all "terrorism "is Islamic, as you put it,and not all worshippers of Islam are terrorist's, far from it.Tony Blair was more of a terrorist than most Islamic people, hands down.

Eh? You don’t seem to understand what you have just said, or more importantly what I did.

I’m talking about terrorism done in the name of Shia Islam, that is Islamic terrorism.

If we were talking about Pope Urban II and the Crusades then I would label it Christian Terrorism. But we aren’t, we are talking about the Islamic State of Iran and the terrorism there in the 1980’s directed at non believers including Westerners.

Tony Blair is a political terrorist as his terrorism was done for the benefit of economic prosperity to further his countries strength.

If you are to enter a debate and try to be clever then you really need to know what you are talking about.

Patting of the head in Iran is a traditional sign of mourning it is in no way connected to any form of terrorism despite you trying to paint the Iranian tradition in a bad light. Shame on you by the way for trying that.

Secondly the "ayatollah" as Cardiff fans know it was started by the band UThant.At a gig in Cardiff Uthant band members and their fans did the "ayatollah" Cardiff city fans at the gig picked up on the gesture and did it at an away game the next day, from there on it became a fans favourite. Cardiff fans did not copy it from the funeral scenes.

Despite your best efforts to paint it in a bad light with weak links to terrorism that us Cardiff fans should be ashamed of you've failed.

Eh? Think about what you are saying.

The Ayatollah died, his followers at his funeral rhythmically patted their head in homage. This was screened across the world. Your lot did it at a gig and took it to the stadium. You named it after the bloke and done it ever since.

Are you genuinely trying to make a case that the action you openly call “the Ayatollah” has nothing to do with the Ayatollah it just happens to have the same name as him by coincidence and was nothing to do with the homage paid to him at his funeral it just so happened to start the weeks after it was screened across the world and in fact you were just tapping into Iranian culture.

Give me a break. You named it after the man!

I cant help but admire the way you ignore facts.

I'll explain again, in simple terms, Cardiff city fans did not cone up with the name, Cardiff city fans did not copy it from the funeral as you keep suggesting.

The band UThant chanted at gigs for their fan base to do the ayatollah, when Uthant did their Cardiff gig Cardiff fans saw this firsthand and copied Uthant and their fans.

Cardiff fans did not copy it from the funeral clip it is a made up story after it becane popular, Cardiff fans also didn't name it "the ayatollah" Uthant did.

Hope thats clear enough for you but hey keep peddling your copied from the funeral story its great!

I cant help but admire the way you ignore facts.

I'll explain again, in simple terms, Cardiff city fans did not cone up with the name, Cardiff city fans did not copy it from the funeral as you keep suggesting.

The band UThant chanted at gigs for their fan base to do the ayatollah, when Uthant did their Cardiff gig Cardiff fans saw this firsthand and copied Uthant and their fans.

Cardiff fans did not copy it from the funeral clip it is a made up story after it becane popular, Cardiff fans also didn't name it "the ayatollah" Uthant did.

Hope thats clear enough for you but hey keep peddling your copied from the funeral story its great!

You still aren’t making sense. This is common knowledge, not a copied story. It’s reality and history.

If the next club you play did the plane gesture and copied the Southampton fan and called it the Sala because he did... does it no longer have links to the player or the disaster? Or would it be common sense to say it still came from the Sala tragedy?

The Ayatollah was an Islamic terrorist, upon his death his followers did what you describe as “The Ayatollah” to pay homage to the man as a sign of mourning. This was screened across the globe and many people saw it and copied it due to it being so odd looking. One such group was the band you are talking about but only for a short period of time, possibly after realising how distasteful it was. The only people to carry that on was Cardiff fans, and even happily kept the name of “The Ayatollah”.

Now you can say you weren’t the first to do it if you like, but I don’t understand how you think that makes it any better? It’s named after a terrorist and is the action of his followers upon his death to mourn him. Whether a band did it first and you copied really is completely irrelevant.

What if that Southampton fan said he copied it from his West Ham mate, would you think he was ok to do it then? Genuine question.

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If I was going to France, I would say I was going to France. If I was visiting a number of countries on a touring holiday for example, I would say Europe unless I was asked which particular countries I intended visiting.

Yep agreed, that’s what I just said, perfectly normal. Using a collective to describe a collective is fine, using a collective to describe a specific is the issue.

So on your multi country holiday, if you were then telling me about someone who threw a pint over your head and threw an onion at you at a bar, and you were telling us that story. You would say the specific place it happened (France, Italy, Germany) and wouldn’t say “someone threw an onion at me in Europe”, you would be more specific and say France because the memory would have an attachment to the place, not the general continent.

You may not agree on the surface but when it comes to you saying such a story, you watch. That’s why it is such a telling trait, you don’t realise you always use specific language for specific memories until you are saying them. But I can spot it a mile off.

You obviously don't know me. The chances are that I would have so many pints thrown over me on a European tour that it would be easier to say Europe rather than list all the countries and pubs where these unfortunate incidents took place.

You obviously don't know me. The chances are that I would have so many pints thrown over me on a European tour that it would be easier to say Europe rather than list all the countries and pubs where these unfortunate incidents took place.

You would be surprised Steve. Memory is almost always very linear in thinking, specific language almost always is natural when describing specific situations. Watch out for it next time you spot it or even say a story yourself.

Hope the pints were premium anyway and not cheap rubbish

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Indeed.

I am a big fan of psychology, broad language in specific situations is a key tell when a scenario is made up. These little things people say and do give so much away without people realising, often until it’s too late. Homicide detectives are taught similar things when they interview witnesses and suspects, they can usually tell right away when a story doesn’t sound quite right just from situations like broad language. Memories are usually always specific, especially recent memories, so it’s odd when someone doesn’t use specific language. Stands out a mile.

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

I'm not sure what's funnier, "ElyBoy" pushing his tongue up Roathies arse or Roathies wide of the mark 'psychology'

I know Paul personally, and I can vouch that he's just spent a month diving in Thailand and the Philippines. He is however far more intelligent than myself and refuses to respond to trolls.

I wouldn't normally respond either, but I found the homicide detective spiel f*cking hilarious

Elyboy, how does Jack shit taste?

I didn’t say he lied about his holiday. I said his story is clearly not true, he would describe a specific memory with specific language, especially if recently happened.

As I said, it’s one of the main psychology traits that homicide detectives are trained to look out for. It’s such a give away.

Next week on CSI Cardiff: estranged super detective Roathie and his undercover side kick ElyBlue use their extensive homicide detective training to foil the evil lies of OrigionalGrangeEndBlue. Did he go on his holidays? Did he even meet a Munich fan?

Tune in next week as these pound shop psychologists desperately try to prove their intelligence to strangers on the internet!

jesus Christ....it sounds like one of the cutting floor scenes from dumb and dumber.. caught him out there dumb ,well spotted, who calls Asia , erm...Asia.. must be a lie laugh laugh..

Someone has his knickers in a twist again then

knickers in a twist ?...I spat out my coffee ffs
well spotted WX.
followed by an explanation of how you/MI5/ rosemary and thyme come to conclusions.
way to much booze mate.

Next week on CSI Cardiff: estranged super detective Roathie and his undercover side kick ElyBlue use their extensive homicide detective training to foil the evil lies of OrigionalGrangeEndBlue. Did he go on his holidays? Did he even meet a Munich fan?

Tune in next week as these pound shop psychologists desperately try to prove their intelligence to strangers on the internet!

Gosh, you had all that time to come up with something amusing and you ended up with that

They aren’t evil lies at all. Just silly, transparent ones, ones that are seen on this site often as you pretend to each other that the club is bigger than it is for whatever reason you all need to do it.

knickers in a twist ?...I spat out my coffee ffs
well spotted WX.
followed by an explanation of how you/MI5/ rosemary and thyme come to conclusions.
way to much booze mate.

Yes I don’t know how else do describe your posts than seeming like you have your knickers in a twist. You seem to get annoyed a lot when discussing things.

It’s not how I come to conclusions. It’s how the body reacts to the brain lying, it’s how many people come to conclusions using the same rules. Broad language in specific situations is one such method.

The most common one on here is refusing to or the inability to elaborate when asked. Lying releases a chemical which makes your stress levels rise, even if it’s a silly lie. People don’t like elaborating on a lie as it’s uncomfortable to do so, which is why elaboration is often refused. “I don’t have time or the desire to talk, bye troll”... is something we see often on here.

Had it done to me recently in Asia by a German football fan of Munich!
It’s a bit of fun and unique.

Asia?

That’s not a true story is it. Who on earth would say “Asia”?

Lol well spotted

Indeed.

I am a big fan of psychology, broad language in specific situations is a key tell when a scenario is made up. These little things people say and do give so much away without people realising, often until it’s too late. Homicide detectives are taught similar things when they interview witnesses and suspects, they can usually tell right away when a story doesn’t sound quite right just from situations like broad language. Memories are usually always specific, especially recent memories, so it’s odd when someone doesn’t use specific language. Stands out a mile.

Stop giving the game away ffs, don't give the bullshitters a heads up :thumbsup:

I'm not sure what's funnier, "ElyBoy" pushing his tongue up Roathies arse or Roathies wide of the mark 'psychology'

I know Paul personally, and I can vouch that he's just spent a month diving in Thailand and the Philippines. He is however far more intelligent than myself and refuses to respond to trolls.

I wouldn't normally respond either, but I found the homicide detective spiel f*cking hilarious

Elyboy, how does Jack shit taste?

How was i meant to know it was roathie on his 10 thousandth name? Come on man don't dig me out over this...

The Ayatollah is dying, the guy replying "Asia" vaguely, may have done so to prevent being identified by members who knew him. I thought this at the time but CSI WhiteXmas was on a roll and i'm just too polite.

I love it when my point gets proven that people agree with my views but don’t like to say due to who my favourite team is... certainly a positive of sometimes being forced to have many usernames. The sense often resonates prior to people finding out who I support.

knickers in a twist ?...I spat out my coffee ffs
well spotted WX.
followed by an explanation of how you/MI5/ rosemary and thyme come to conclusions.
way to much booze mate.

Yes I don’t know how else do describe your posts than seeming like you have your knickers in a twist. You seem to get annoyed a lot when discussing things.

It’s not how I come to conclusions. It’s how the body reacts to the brain lying, it’s how many people come to conclusions using the same rules. Broad language in specific situations is one such method.

The most common one on here is refusing to or the inability to elaborate when asked. Lying releases a chemical which makes your stress levels rise, even if it’s a silly lie. People don’t like elaborating on a lie as it’s uncomfortable to do so, which is why elaboration is often refused. “I don’t have time or the desire to talk, bye troll”... is something we see often on here.

mate it genuinely is very funny...sorry
as for the knickers in a twist.. my god.. how many posts have you made trying to defend being idiotic ?
you said something stupid, elyboy didn't help your cause but instead of moving on you kept digging..
you cant be calling somone a liar because they said Asia and you wanted it to be more specific. ffs do you want hotel names and flight details ? coming to think about it do you work for the FAW ?

I love it when my point gets proven that people agree with my views but don’t like to say due to who my favourite team is... certainly a positive of sometimes being forced to have many usernames. The sense often resonates prior to people finding out who I support.

I love it when people read a passage of text, disregard negatives only seeing what they want. Doesn't nuero science have a name for that Dr CHRISTmas?....con... con... ah i forgot.

I love it when my point gets proven that people agree with my views but don’t like to say due to who my favourite team is... certainly a positive of sometimes being forced to have many usernames. The sense often resonates prior to people finding out who I support.

I love it when people read a passage of text, disregard negatives only seeing what they want. Doesn't nuero science have a name for that Dr CHRISTmas?....con... con... ah i forgot.

Well your passage of text showed that you need to feel part of a group, dislike to stand out from the crowd and will change your views to fit in. Quite a number of people share that trait, they tend to end up middle of the road in every aspect of life. Not saying that is what describes you, but that passage of text is quite telling.

knickers in a twist ?...I spat out my coffee ffs
well spotted WX.
followed by an explanation of how you/MI5/ rosemary and thyme come to conclusions.
way to much booze mate.

Yes I don’t know how else do describe your posts than seeming like you have your knickers in a twist. You seem to get annoyed a lot when discussing things.

It’s not how I come to conclusions. It’s how the body reacts to the brain lying, it’s how many people come to conclusions using the same rules. Broad language in specific situations is one such method.

The most common one on here is refusing to or the inability to elaborate when asked. Lying releases a chemical which makes your stress levels rise, even if it’s a silly lie. People don’t like elaborating on a lie as it’s uncomfortable to do so, which is why elaboration is often refused. “I don’t have time or the desire to talk, bye troll”... is something we see often on here.

mate it genuinely is very funny...sorry
as for the knickers in a twist.. my god.. how many posts have you made trying to defend being idiotic ?
you said something stupid, elyboy didn't help your cause but instead of moving on you kept digging..
you cant be calling somone a liar because they said Asia and you wanted it to be more specific. ffs do you want hotel names and flight details ? coming to think about it do you work for the FAW ?

No you don’t, you are frustrated, as usual. Hence why you got your knickers in a twist.

I didn’t say anything stupid, it’s not my style. In fact I don’t think I have ever said anything stupid at all in all my years on this forum. What you are describing is saying something you were completely unaware of and psychological aspects that went over your head in their description. That’s not stupidity you are looking at, it’s ignorance you are portraying.

I didn’t call someone a liar because I wanted them to be more specific at all. I don’t want people to do anything, I’m just commenting on what I see, not what I want to see. Logic suggests that a German football fan would not know the Ayatollah, this story made even more unlikely by the way it was described, again using language that is completely unnatural to the story.

Hotel names and flight details would also be unnatural and lead me to think someone was telling porkies. Lies on rare occasions can also be over-constructed, but these are usually in pathological liars that don’t mind the discomfort of lying. Happy to help

I love it when my point gets proven that people agree with my views but don’t like to say due to who my favourite team is... certainly a positive of sometimes being forced to have many usernames. The sense often resonates prior to people finding out who I support.

I love it when people read a passage of text, disregard negatives only seeing what they want. Doesn't nuero science have a name for that Dr CHRISTmas?....con... con... ah i forgot.

Well your passage of text showed that you need to feel part of a group, dislike to stand out from the crowd and will change your views to fit in. Quite a number of people share that trait, they tend to end up middle of the road in every aspect of life. Not saying that is what describes you, but that passage of text is quite telling.

Con con con? come on CSI CHRISTmas...you should know this...

knickers in a twist ?...I spat out my coffee ffs
well spotted WX.
followed by an explanation of how you/MI5/ rosemary and thyme come to conclusions.
way to much booze mate.

Yes I don’t know how else do describe your posts than seeming like you have your knickers in a twist. You seem to get annoyed a lot when discussing things.

It’s not how I come to conclusions. It’s how the body reacts to the brain lying, it’s how many people come to conclusions using the same rules. Broad language in specific situations is one such method.

The most common one on here is refusing to or the inability to elaborate when asked. Lying releases a chemical which makes your stress levels rise, even if it’s a silly lie. People don’t like elaborating on a lie as it’s uncomfortable to do so, which is why elaboration is often refused. “I don’t have time or the desire to talk, bye troll”... is something we see often on here.

mate it genuinely is very funny...sorry
as for the knickers in a twist.. my god.. how many posts have you made trying to defend being idiotic ?
you said something stupid, elyboy didn't help your cause but instead of moving on you kept digging..
you cant be calling somone a liar because they said Asia and you wanted it to be more specific. ffs do you want hotel names and flight details ? coming to think about it do you work for the FAW ?

No you don’t, you are frustrated, as usual. Hence why you got your knickers in a twist.

I didn’t say anything stupid, it’s not my style. In fact I don’t think I have ever said anything stupid at all in all my years on this forum. What you are describing is saying something you were completely unaware of and psychological aspects that went over your head in their description. That’s not stupidity you are looking at, it’s ignorance you are portraying.

I didn’t call someone a liar because I wanted them to be more specific at all. I don’t want people to do anything, I’m just commenting on what I see, not what I want to see. Logic suggests that a German football fan would not know the Ayatollah, this story made even more unlikely by the way it was described, again using language that is completely unnatural to the story.

Hotel names and flight details would also be unnatural and lead me to think someone was telling porkies. Lies on rare occasions can also be over-constructed, but these are usually in pathological liars that don’t mind the discomfort of lying. Happy to help

ah right...so too much info is now worse than too little....ill have to remember that if ever arrested by one of your mates..
so asia…to vague...LIAR
country.....correct amount of info....acceptable
any more detail ..over constructed...LIAR...
hope ive understood that properly ..thanks for the help

I have come to the conclusion that Roathie is a shit stirring prick and I don't need to be an homicide detective to reduce that!

I have come to the conclusion that Roathie is a shit stirring prick and I don't need to be an homicide detective to reduce that!

He's spiritually lost.

knickers in a twist ?...I spat out my coffee ffs
well spotted WX.
followed by an explanation of how you/MI5/ rosemary and thyme come to conclusions.
way to much booze mate.

Yes I don’t know how else do describe your posts than seeming like you have your knickers in a twist. You seem to get annoyed a lot when discussing things.

It’s not how I come to conclusions. It’s how the body reacts to the brain lying, it’s how many people come to conclusions using the same rules. Broad language in specific situations is one such method.

The most common one on here is refusing to or the inability to elaborate when asked. Lying releases a chemical which makes your stress levels rise, even if it’s a silly lie. People don’t like elaborating on a lie as it’s uncomfortable to do so, which is why elaboration is often refused. “I don’t have time or the desire to talk, bye troll”... is something we see often on here.

mate it genuinely is very funny...sorry
as for the knickers in a twist.. my god.. how many posts have you made trying to defend being idiotic ?
you said something stupid, elyboy didn't help your cause but instead of moving on you kept digging..
you cant be calling somone a liar because they said Asia and you wanted it to be more specific. ffs do you want hotel names and flight details ? coming to think about it do you work for the FAW ?

No you don’t, you are frustrated, as usual. Hence why you got your knickers in a twist.

I didn’t say anything stupid, it’s not my style. In fact I don’t think I have ever said anything stupid at all in all my years on this forum. What you are describing is saying something you were completely unaware of and psychological aspects that went over your head in their description. That’s not stupidity you are looking at, it’s ignorance you are portraying.

I didn’t call someone a liar because I wanted them to be more specific at all. I don’t want people to do anything, I’m just commenting on what I see, not what I want to see. Logic suggests that a German football fan would not know the Ayatollah, this story made even more unlikely by the way it was described, again using language that is completely unnatural to the story.

Hotel names and flight details would also be unnatural and lead me to think someone was telling porkies. Lies on rare occasions can also be over-constructed, but these are usually in pathological liars that don’t mind the discomfort of lying. Happy to help

ah right...so too much info is now worse than too little....ill have to remember that if ever arrested by one of your mates..
so asia…to vague...LIAR
country.....correct amount of info....acceptable
any more detail ..over constructed...LIAR...
hope ive understood that properly ..thanks for the help

Lol

Don’t say it...don’t utter that word..

Con con con? come on CSI CHRISTmas...you should know this...

Well you seem con...fused if that helps?

Is that it?.....

ah right...so too much info is now worse than too little....ill have to remember that if ever arrested by one of your mates..
so asia…to vague...LIAR
country.....correct amount of info....acceptable
any more detail ..over constructed...LIAR...
hope ive understood that properly ..thanks for the help

Not worse, no, Just similarly telling.

Asia was far too vague when saying a specific story, yes. Just like I wouldn’t say I met this guy in Europe, I would say I met this guy in France. Specific memories often compels you to use specific language. When you are relating a memory then you are describing the picture, pictures especially recent ones are rarely vague. When this is used to paint a story of what is a fairly unlikely picture anyway, then you can make a safe bet that it isn’t true and more probing required. Although to compound it, the suspect in this case immediately ruled himself out of follow up questions by falsely stating he doesn’t speak to me. So it was a fairly textbook case of a lie.

Not sure you have understood properly, but I hope so as I have been very patient when explaining what is quite basic knowledge around tells of lies.

I have come to the conclusion that Roathie is a shit stirring prick and I don't need to be an homicide detective to reduce that!

By being historically accurate? Really?

I think you mean deduce by the way, not reduce.

ah right...so too much info is now worse than too little....ill have to remember that if ever arrested by one of your mates..
so asia…to vague...LIAR
country.....correct amount of info....acceptable
any more detail ..over constructed...LIAR...
hope ive understood that properly ..thanks for the help

Not worse, no, Just similarly telling.

Asia was far too vague when saying a specific story, yes. Just like I wouldn’t say I met this guy in Europe, I would say I met this guy in France. Specific memories often compels you to use specific language. When you are relating a memory then you are describing the picture, pictures especially recent ones are rarely vague. When this is used to paint a story of what is a fairly unlikely picture anyway, then you can make a safe bet that it isn’t true and more probing required. Although to compound it, the suspect in this case immediately ruled himself out of follow up questions by falsely stating he doesn’t speak to me. So it was a fairly textbook case of a lie.

Not sure you have understood properly, but I hope so as I have been very patient when explaining what is quite basic knowledge around tells of lies.

Inspector Clouseau is still desperately trying to prove his point under a new multi. This is commedy gold.

Inspector Clouseau is still desperately trying to prove his point under a new multi. This is commedy gold.

I am replying to someone who asked a question, I’m not trying to prove anything. What I have taught you is fact, not opinion. You don’t need to try and prove facts, they are already proven.

A multi suggests I have more than one active username. That’s incorrect, this is my only active username.

But I agree, your attempt at spelling comedy is comedy gold

It’s also comedy gold how furious everyone seemingly is simply by being historically accurate and showing the obvious terrorist links to the Ayatollah. Clearly thrown a few noses out out joint.

Inspector Clouseau is still desperately trying to prove his point under a new multi. This is commedy gold.

I am replying to someone who asked a question, I’m not trying to prove anything. What I have taught you is fact, not opinion. You don’t need to try and prove facts, they are already proven.

A multi suggests I have more than one active username. That’s incorrect, this is my only active username.

But I agree, your attempt at spelling comedy is comedy gold

It’s also comedy gold how furious everyone seemingly is simply by being historically accurate and showing the obvious terrorist links to the Ayatollah. Clearly thrown a few noses out out joint.

Come on ffs, What's the process of reading a passage of text, mentally disregarding the negative, only plucking out points supporting your argument... con con conman!!!!

Come on ffs, What's the process of reading a passage of text, mentally disregarding the negative, only plucking out points supporting your argument... con con conman!!!!

What argument? Are you feeling ok? (Con man is two words, not that it applies)

I think the word “confused” was very apt.

Maybe meeting men in Asia has touched a nerve..

Maybe meeting men in Asia has touched a nerve..

You met men in Asia?