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Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:50 pm
It wasnt Labour that caused the financial crash it wasn’t nurses that caused the financial crash it’s wasn’t families that have suffered for 9 years of Tory austerity, it was Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer Sajid Javid and reckless bankers and banks like Deutsche Bank.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:58 pm
The UK economy is in a far worse state now, the tories have more than doubled the national debt since 2010, despite austerity, borrowing over "1 trillion since 2010. It is very convenient, for right-whingers that the global financial crisis occurred under a Labour government, which was caused by capitalism and greed, the US Lehman Bros bank lending money to people who they knew couldn't afford to pay it back.
Apart from the global recession, every post-war recession, (the Labour government took us out of the post-war recession) including a double dip occurred under a tory government as a direct result of their policies, The double dip occurred under Heath, he sold half the UK's gold reserve, very cheaply.. During Thatcher's reign, unemployment at nearly 3.5 million, inflation 17-25%, mortgage interest rates of 19%, then Black Wednesday under John Mayor, wiped billions off the economy, house prices crashed. The tories/lib dems have borrowed over £1 trillion since 2010, despite the austerity measures.. Good job one of us has a good memory/a grasp of the political history of this country..
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:01 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:It wasnt Labour that caused the financial crash it wasn’t nurses that caused the financial crash it’s wasn’t families that have suffered for 9 years of Tory austerity, it was Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer Sajid Javid and reckless bankers and banks like Deutsche Bank.
I've asked before. How were these bankers able to be so reckless. They were kept under tight control until someone decided to create some jobs for his cronies under the guise of the FSA. Guess who that someone was.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:09 pm
I can't understand how people can enjoy their good fortune knowing that people are really struggling out there, let alone being complicit in the architecture of poverty by voting blue..
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:11 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Rock the Casbah wrote:It wasnt Labour that caused the financial crash it wasn’t nurses that caused the financial crash it’s wasn’t families that have suffered for 9 years of Tory austerity, it was Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer Sajid Javid and reckless bankers and banks like Deutsche Bank.
I've asked before. How were these bankers able to be so reckless. They were kept under tight control until someone decided to create some jobs for his cronies under the guise of the FSA. Guess who that someone was.
When the wheels came off in 2008 how were we skint ? It followed 16 years of unprecedented growth , the longest sustained growth for probably - ever.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:21 pm
High rents being one of the biggest issues for those renting privately.
You need to tackle landlords and create more affordable housing social housing.
Get the tories out!!! No more austerity
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:23 pm
epping blue wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:Rock the Casbah wrote:It wasnt Labour that caused the financial crash it wasn’t nurses that caused the financial crash it’s wasn’t families that have suffered for 9 years of Tory austerity, it was Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer Sajid Javid and reckless bankers and banks like Deutsche Bank.
I've asked before. How were these bankers able to be so reckless. They were kept under tight control until someone decided to create some jobs for his cronies under the guise of the FSA. Guess who that someone was.
When the wheels came off in 2008 how were we skint ? It followed 16 years of unprecedented growth , the longest sustained growth for probably - ever.
I know what happened to some of the banks. As above, reckless lending brought many to their knees. They were able to get away with things which could not have happened in previous eras as they were subject to strict governance. The FSA was created and was never fit for purpose, and the banks had free reign to virtually do what they wanted. Obviously there were other additional factors, but Gordon Brown played his part by creating the FSA, and then actively played his part in bringing a healthy bank to it's knees by pushing it into taking over HBOS which was on the point of going out of business.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:27 pm
Why does Boris Johnson refuse to apologise for his abhorrent past views?
Well, there’s two options, isn’t there?
1. He still believes them.
2. His sense of entitlement is such that he thinks he doesn’t have to, that he’s above all that, because, fundamentally, he’s born to rule.
Either way, it shows he’s unfit to be PM.
Vote Labour for a Better Fairer Future
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 pm
If Boris Johnson is unfit to be PM please explain how you might imagine the deranged Comrade Corbyn is remotely qualified to lead the UK!?
I am petrified of the prospect of this clown somehow getting into office. It is a frightening possibility the consequences are dire should it happen.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:Why does Boris Johnson refuse to apologise for his abhorrent past views?
Well, there’s two options, isn’t there?
1. He still believes them.
2. His sense of entitlement is such that he thinks he doesn’t have to, that he’s above all that, because, fundamentally, he’s born to rule.
Either way, it shows he’s unfit to be PM.
Vote Labour for an Airy Fairy Future
Driving back to Cardiff from Treherbet today I saw about two Labour signs in gardens. Years ago there would have been many.
Normal people won’t vote for utopian lunatics.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:08 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:Why does Boris Johnson refuse to apologise for his abhorrent past views?
Well, there’s two options, isn’t there?
1. He still believes them.
2. His sense of entitlement is such that he thinks he doesn’t have to, that he’s above all that, because, fundamentally, he’s born to rule.
Either way, it shows he’s unfit to be PM.
Vote Labour for a Better Fairer Future
I don't see how anyone with children can vote for this labour..
its one reckless promise after another..
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:18 pm
The Tories & Boris want to drag us kicking & screaming back to the 1800’s when women were considered to be men’s chattels.
His attitude to women, children race, & gays is well documented.
He is an utter disgrace & it beggars belief that anybody (billionaires aside ) would think of voting for him, let alone actually doing so..
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:21 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:The Tories & Boris want to drag us kicking & screaming back to the 1800’s when women were considered to be men’s chattels.
His attitude to women, children race, & gays is well documented.
He is an utter disgrace & it beggars belief that anybody (billionaires aside ) would think of voting for him, let alone actually doing so..
You don't half talk some f*cking shit.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:26 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:The Tories & Boris want to drag us kicking & screaming back to the 1800’s when women were considered to be men’s chattels.
His attitude to women, children race, & gays is well documented.
He is an utter disgrace & it beggars belief that anybody (billionaires aside ) would think of voting for him, let alone actually doing so..
Unfortunately plenty will vote for him on Thursday and we'll be stuck with his antiquated ways for years to come. Rees-Mogg will suddenly reappear on Friday after being kept silent for the last few weeks and Corbyn will be gone by the weekend.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:29 pm
Feck off back to your Tory Planet..
Vote Labour you know it makes sense...
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:31 pm
Gaynor Straight wrote:Rock the Casbah wrote:The Tories & Boris want to drag us kicking & screaming back to the 1800’s when women were considered to be men’s chattels.
His attitude to women, children race, & gays is well documented.
He is an utter disgrace & it beggars belief that anybody (billionaires aside ) would think of voting for him, let alone actually doing so..
Unfortunately plenty will vote for him on Thursday and we'll be stuck with his antiquated ways for years to come. Rees-Mogg will suddenly reappear on Friday after being kept silent for the last few weeks and Corbyn will be gone by the weekend.
Talking of being kept quiet, where is Labour's brilliant mathematician. Perhaps they are hoping we forget who might be Home Secretary in the unlikely event the country was actually stupid enough to vote for this Labour party.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:36 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:Feck off back to your Tory Planet..
Vote Labour you know it makes sense...
Vote Labour and let your children and grand children pick up the bill. Santa Corbyn's gona max out the credit cards. It'll be good while it lasts but in 15 years time there'll be arses like you moaning about Tory austerity.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:37 pm
Ummmmm...
Whats that Dianne?
Ummmmm..dont patwonise me, its 8 million police for 800,000 pounds. All fully costed by..ummm
(rpt)
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:40 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:Gaynor Straight wrote:Rock the Casbah wrote:The Tories & Boris want to drag us kicking & screaming back to the 1800’s when women were considered to be men’s chattels.
His attitude to women, children race, & gays is well documented.
He is an utter disgrace & it beggars belief that anybody (billionaires aside ) would think of voting for him, let alone actually doing so..
Unfortunately plenty will vote for him on Thursday and we'll be stuck with his antiquated ways for years to come. Rees-Mogg will suddenly reappear on Friday after being kept silent for the last few weeks and Corbyn will be gone by the weekend.
Talking of being kept quiet, where is Labour's brilliant mathematician. Perhaps they are hoping we forget who might be Home Secretary in the unlikely event the country was actually stupid enough to vote for this Labour party.
Working out how to get her son off his assaulting a police charge. He'll no doubt be in line for top gravy train job along side her colleagues drug dealer son.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:41 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:Feck off back to your Tory Planet..
Vote Labour you know it makes sense...
it doesn't though. its simply not affordable. and anyone that's had to even balance something as simple as a couple of quid pocket money knows it only goes so far..
of course governments can borrow. but borrowing vast amounts today means paying back vast amounts tomorrow... I have kids and grandkids and cant think of too many more irresponsible things than to vote for this labour.
weekend millionaires ..
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:45 pm
piledriver64 wrote:shinyBlueGlue wrote:Anyone who votes Labour has to be living in the past.
1. Labour is not for the working class Why ? Plans to reverse the public sector pay gap after 9 years of Tories paying for their rich busddies by limiting Public Sector pay to 1%, increasing the living wage much quicker than weven the Tories current plans, what more do you want ?
2.they will I crease benefits making it attractive to stay out of work for some Possibly but at least they'll make siure those that need benefits get them, unlike the Tories whohave poverty and homelessness at an all time high in modern times. I'd rather pay more tax than live in this current situation where people are really suffering.
3. They are removing the 2 child benefit and increasing the benefit for every child you have, for as many as you have, regardless whether you can afford it... making it attractive to have 11 kids and stay out of work. The usual Daily Mail line. Yes there will be a tiny minority that may think like that but the proportion of large families is much lowe r now anmd the actual impact on spending is minimal compared to high level tax dodgers who can get away with it now due to the cuts in HMRC
4. They have no respect for the armed forces and live in a world that does not exist.. no one knows where the next Hitler will come from and a deterrent is just that, it deters other nations from taking over other nations and has worked for over 70 years I think they respect them but just don't believe they are a priority. Do you really see a future war where the number of ground troops will be of any consequence ? I don't.
5. Their maths do not add up, free internet, taking back utility companies and rail service. Free education when you leave school and so on, where is this money coming from They have openly said they they will be borrowing huge amounts, so too are the Tories. The last 9 years we have fallen behind many other countries and it's now a matter of playing catch up and that has to be front loaded. Are you really telling me that the rail service is better now than when it was nationalised. The best rail services across the world are nationalised, that will also benefit the working class as they won't have to put up with not only late/cancelled trains but also constant, above inflation fare increases
6. Open door immigration.. yes immigration is a good thing in controlled numbers, on mass is never a good thing. We would need more schools, hospitals, better roads and so on to cope, plus how many people can live on this island before we are unable to cope? 85 million?In general I agree that we need to limiy immigration. But we also have to base it on the roles we need not on how much people will earn as proposed by the Tories. We will always need nurses, fruit pickers, etc., in big numbers but none of those will pass the £30K test that the Tories propose
7. All politicians are lying twats but sometimes, it is better the Devil you know
I agree with the first comment
not the second because I already know that after 9 years of Tory rule I am significantly wqorse off than I was prior to them, and not just monetary wise

Living in the past !!??
I'm living in the present and can't see for the life of me what the Tories are going to do for the working man.
So by borrowing lots of money to give to people on the dole is going to make Britain great again ?
You basically say their will never be another war with feet on the ground... how can you say that with what is going on I the world at the moment with Russia, Iran, China and North Korea being so unpredictable.
Then there is the nuclear deterrent... the man cannot even get this right. . So he is committing to 200 billion in renewing trident, yet openly said he would never press the button, so that is the end of the deterrent. Either pretend that you would use it or dont renew..
You say that benefits will be going to where it is needed ? No, you are wrong here as well... millions milk the system and one way is by having twelve kids as the more kids you have the more you will get and this lazy f**k you tax payer attitude filters down to the kids and starts again and again.
Don't get me wrong Boris is not much better, neither any of the others, but he is by far the best of a bad bunch.
Corbyn is not the saviour, he will bankrupt this country, flood us with immigration and make us weak.. we will have no voice In the world and lose our special relations with the US.
Good job there are more people who can see through Corbyn and his crazy ideology
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:49 pm
It's absolutely mind-blowing that we are on the edge of a 60 year high for child poverty. The Tory Manifesto has nothing to say on austerity, nothing on the cuts that have scarred our public services and communities and no solutions to the social crisis we're in. They're not fit for Government.
Analysis by the Resolution Foundation predicted a rise in the number of children living in relative poverty under a Boris Johnson-led government to 34.5% in 2023-24 up from 29.6% in 2017-18. Labour's plans will take the country in a very different direction, as John McDonnell says:
"Our reforms to social security, including scrapping Universal Credit, the Two-Child Limit and the Benefit Cap, will stop child poverty increasing, as this Report rightly acknowledges. But it fails to take account of Labour’s plans to tackle the root causes of child poverty.
We will poverty-proof schools, introducing Free School Meals for all primary school children and tackling the cost of school uniforms. We will massively expand free childcare and open 1,000 new Sure Start centres."
Vote Labour
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:58 pm
So you'd rather stay under the dictatorship of the Tories, lose the NHS, minimum wage, free education etc etc just to get out of the eu. Corbyn's honesty is on record and even the Tories can't argue with that! When you are watching your child or grandchild die because you can't afford the medicine to save them, I hope you feel proud!
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:00 pm
They're peddling the biggest lie in election history.
It can all be paid for by taxing a few billionaires an extra few quid and putting up corporation tax a few percent. The billionaires will have gone by the 5th April for a cert. Those companies able to move their base elsewhere wont be far behind.
Not a chance, homeowners will be clobbered and a lot of motorists priced off the road. Those in rural communities wont need a car after they've restored the daily bus service of course.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:02 pm
So you'd rather stay under the dictatorship of the Tories, lose the NHS, minimum wage, free education etc etc just to get out of the eu. Corbyn's honesty is on record and even the Tories can't argue with that! When you are watching your child or grandchild die because you can't afford the medicine to save them, I hope you feel proud!
Vote Labour
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:04 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:It's absolutely mind-blowing that we are on the edge of a 60 year high for child poverty. The Tory Manifesto has nothing to say on austerity, nothing on the cuts that have scarred our public services and communities and no solutions to the social crisis we're in. They're not fit for Government.
Analysis by the Resolution Foundation predicted a rise in the number of children living in relative poverty under a Boris Johnson-led government to 34.5% in 2023-24 up from 29.6% in 2017-18. Labour's plans will take the country in a very different direction, as John McDonnell says:
"Our reforms to social security, including scrapping Universal Credit, the Two-Child Limit and the Benefit Cap, will stop child poverty increasing, as this Report rightly acknowledges. But it fails to take account of Labour’s plans to tackle the root causes of child poverty.
We will poverty-proof schools, introducing Free School Meals for all primary school children and tackling the cost of school uniforms. We will massively expand free childcare and open 1,000 new Sure Start centres."
Vote Labour
The Two child limit on benefits will do more to reduce the numbers in child poverty than anything the labour will do. Should of done it 20 years ago.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:07 pm
The Conservatives created the crisis in the NHS, not by accident, but by design. Under-funding and privatisation go hand-in-hand. Whatever words come out of their mouths, whatever spin they put on it, they can never be trusted on the NHS. Only the Labour Party can rescue it.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:08 pm
I cannot get my head around grown adults believing the Corbyn circus
Really
1. Free internet... sorry virgin and BT
2. Nationalising the utilities... how was that back in the day ?
3. We all know his numbers dont add up and he is planning on borrowing obscene amounts, this man will not save you. Who is going to pay all this back ?
4. Petrol prices are rising and that is a fact, will this pay some back or is he planning on running all billionaires out of the country and then how will he be giving away all the free stuff.
In some ways I would live to see Labour win to be proven right... a bankrupt country
But I believe Boris will win
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:11 pm
Stick my bit in, labour in wales always banging on about social housing built a total of 15 new council houses in wales this year.
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:14 pm
Rock the Casbah wrote:So you'd rather stay under the dictatorship of the Tories, lose the NHS, minimum wage, free education etc etc just to get out of the eu. Corbyn's honesty is on record and even the Tories can't argue with that! When you are watching your child or grandchild die because you can't afford the medicine to save them, I hope you feel proud!
Vote Labour
So you’d rather live under a Neo Marxist regime underpinned by the Trades Unions, bankrupt the NHS and crash the economy and stay shackled to the German run EU?
Corbyn’s dishonesty is on the record and even the reds in the bed can’t argue with that.
The last statement is hysterical nonsense peddled by the red propaganda machine.
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