POLL " GENERAL ELECTION ON DECEMBER 12TH "

Wales needs saving from itself,How many who voted leave believe that a Tory Government will look after Wales.
If the Scots leave and possibly the Irish we will be at the bequest of a Tory government for years to come.
Wales will still be ruled by a foreign Government.
If a man goes to throw himself off a cliff do you step aside and let him do it ?

Bequest - behest(not trying to be picky mate).

The fantastical paradox of the Nats is that they squeal they dont want English rule, but when asked how Wales would survive, offer nothing but silence.

Scotland’s even worse, whole independence thing is driven by a hatred of the English.
Q: How will Scotland prosper as an independent country?
A: English basssstards.

Delay as been agreed date to be set probably announced on Monday! Brexit will not happen on 31st now but election is still on cards..

Delay as been agreed date to be set probably announced on Monday! Brexit will not happen on 31st now but election is still on cards..

All depends on the date now. If extended to the end of January then election is on.

Labour Whips aren't happy because they were told to tell MPs to abstain on Monday, but Corbyn is suggesting different in private. Telling the Shadow Cabinet and those close to him that he will probably tell the party to vote for an election.

Corbyn wanted an election in September but was pursuaded to wait. He wants one now even more and it seems he's sticking to his beliefs on it this time, but obviously many in the Parliamentary Labour Party don't want one while Corbyn is leader.

As I said above, the investigation that concludes in January will probably finish Corbyn off. Most of the MPs are prepared to wait until then.

But if its confirmed that Corbyn goes for the election, enough of the MPs will go with him to get the number PM needs for election to go ahead.

Wales needs saving from itself,How many who voted leave believe that a Tory Government will look after Wales.
If the Scots leave and possibly the Irish we will be at the bequest of a Tory government for years to come.
Wales will still be ruled by a foreign Government.
If a man goes to throw himself off a cliff do you step aside and let him do it ?

Bequest - behest(not trying to be picky mate).

The fantastical paradox of the Nats is that they squeal they dont want English rule, but when asked how Wales would survive, offer nothing but silence.

Scotland’s even worse, whole independence thing is driven by a hatred of the English.
Q: How will Scotland prosper as an independent country?
A: English basssstards.

its not so different here mate , some people seem to be more anti English than pro Welsh.
the irony here is should we ever have independence we would continue to be massively dependent on money from English tourists

Wales needs saving from itself,How many who voted leave believe that a Tory Government will look after Wales.
If the Scots leave and possibly the Irish we will be at the bequest of a Tory government for years to come.
Wales will still be ruled by a foreign Government.
If a man goes to throw himself off a cliff do you step aside and let him do it ?

Bequest - behest(not trying to be picky mate).

The fantastical paradox of the Nats is that they squeal they dont want English rule, but when asked how Wales would survive, offer nothing but silence.

Scotland’s even worse, whole independence thing is driven by a hatred of the English.
Q: How will Scotland prosper as an independent country?
A: English basssstards.

its not so different here mate , some people seem to be more anti English than pro Welsh.
the irony here is should we ever have independence we would continue to be massively dependent on money from English tourists

All these nationalists have so much faith in politicians to make life better for them, they believe Welsh, Scottish or Irish politicians will be more honest than English ones.

Wales needs saving from itself,How many who voted leave believe that a Tory Government will look after Wales.
If the Scots leave and possibly the Irish we will be at the bequest of a Tory government for years to come.
Wales will still be ruled by a foreign Government.
If a man goes to throw himself off a cliff do you step aside and let him do it ?

Bequest - behest(not trying to be picky mate).

The fantastical paradox of the Nats is that they squeal they dont want English rule, but when asked how Wales would survive, offer nothing but silence.

Scotland’s even worse, whole independence thing is driven by a hatred of the English.
Q: How will Scotland prosper as an independent country?
A: English basssstards.

its not so different here mate , some people seem to be more anti English than pro Welsh.
the irony here is should we ever have independence we would continue to be massively dependent on money from English tourists

All these nationalists have so much faith in politicians to make life better for them, they believe Welsh, Scottish or Irish politicians will be more honest than English ones.

well considering 70% of our multi billion pound tourism industry comes over the Severn bridge and then joins a queue our politicians have shown exactly how switched on they are. a poor mans social club committee only without the ability to call bingo.
I really wish we could have a peoples vote on the WAG...

Will this ever End

Well the vote didn't get the two thirds required, so it failed.

But a single line bill for an election on December 12th will be put to the house tomorrow, and this one is extremely likely to pass.

Lbd Dems arguing about the date...I'd wait and see,

Can see why parties wanted the delay as some are saying use delay to push for new referendum? Two faced hypocrites....

Betting odds on time of next General Election:


December 2019 - 3/10

2020 or later - 5/2

November 2019 - 100/1

All back again tomorrow

Betting odds on time of next General Election:


December 2019 - 3/10

2020 or later - 5/2

November 2019 - 100/1

I hope that's right but I'll believe it when I see it. I was surprised the Lib Dems have gone for it to be honest and wouldn't be surprised to see them pull back from it later. Its clearly in the interest of the country to try and move this forward. At the very least we'll now know the position of the MP's even if in the case of Labour the overall message is mixed. Its ridiculous that in 2017 no less than 589 MP's were elected on a manifesto of delivering Brexit. Getting on for half of those never had any intention of respecting the result of the referendum.

I cant see labour backing an election anytime soon, the only hope being the Lib Dems thinking they can make significant progress in this time of disarray and the SNP wanting to turn this into a de facto Scottish referendum at the earliest opportunity.

No surprise that those MP's who jumped ship having conned their electorate are almost universally against an election. God forbid they should have to answer to the voters.

Betting odds on time of next General Election:


December 2019 - 3/10

2020 or later - 5/2

November 2019 - 100/1

I hope that's right but I'll believe it when I see it. I was surprised the Lib Dems have gone for it to be honest and wouldn't be surprised to see them pull back from it later. Its clearly in the interest of the country to try and move this forward. At the very least we'll now know the position of the MP's even if in the case of Labour the overall message is mixed. Its ridiculous that in 2017 no less than 589 MP's were elected on a manifesto of delivering Brexit. Getting on for half of those never had any intention of respecting the result of the referendum.

I cant see labour backing an election anytime soon, the only hope being the Lib Dems thinking they can make significant progress in this time of disarray and the SNP wanting to turn this into a de facto Scottish referendum at the earliest opportunity.

No surprise that those MP's who jumped ship having conned their electorate are almost universally against an election. God forbid they should have to answer to the voters.

Looks like we're having a December election. Labour now rumoured to be on board or not wishing to be dragged into it, who cares. If we achieve nothing else, at least we'll see the back of Anna Soubrey for good. Gona be the most vicious election campaign we've ever seen.

Corbyn has confirmed he backs the General Election.

Looks like it's happening.

Corbyn has confirmed he backs the General Election.

Looks like it's happening.

Not so quick I think. He wants to give the vote for this election to 16 and 17 year olds and foreign nationals. If they want to campaign on it and win then fair enough for the next election. There's no mandate for it now though.

Corbyn has confirmed he backs the General Election.

Looks like it's happening.

Not so quick I think. He wants to give the vote for this election to 16 and 17 year olds and foreign nationals. If they want to campaign on it and win then fair enough for the next election. There's no mandate for it now though.

Can't see the ammendment getting through anyway. Lib Dems and SNP are lobbying Bercow not to select that amendment.

In any case, it would be very difficult to change the Electoral Roll in time for this election.

So can't see that happening, but Labour will still vote for the election.

Amendment on the programme motion to allow any MP, not just Government ministers, has passed by 312 to 295.

Programme motion passes without division.

MPs now debating the Early Parliamentary General Election Bill second reading.

Just imagine who the Home Secretary would be if Labour were to win the next election. Scary stuff. I bet they will try to keep her out of the public eye as much as possible during the run up to election day, but they will have a problem trying to hide Corbyn from the electorate.

Just imagine who the Home Secretary would be if Labour were to win the next election. Scary stuff. I bet they will try to keep her out of the public eye as much as possible during the run up to election day, but they will have a problem trying to hide Corbyn from the electorate.

I'd argue that having Priti Patel as Home Secretary is even more frightening.

A woman who ignored her own PM to have secret meetings with the Israel government, and then denied it before it was proved that it happened.

I also seem to remember her threatening ROI with food shortages not too long ago.

She has no interest in the public's health, having been a campaigner to overturn the smoking ban - I'm a smoker and even I know that's not a good option.

There's no doubting Diane Abbott has made mistakes when giving interviews etc, but she seems to get a terribly rough time from the press compared to others.

She's said the wrong things on occasions, she'll be the first to admit. But other MPs, such as Priti Patel, DO wrong things.

I know that's not a popular view on this forum, but I'm entitled to my opinion just as the hard right majority on here are.

Outrageous opportunistic behaviour from some of the opposition parties. Lowering the voting age on a whim effectively. Only 2 countries in their beloved Europe subscribe to that Austria at 16 and Greece at 17. Christ Denmark at a referendum to allow it to be reduced to 18 which is where the rest of Europe rightly lies. As for extending voting rights to EU citizens, that doesn't happen anywhere else in Europe bar our special relationship with Ireland.

Just imagine who the Home Secretary would be if Labour were to win the next election. Scary stuff. I bet they will try to keep her out of the public eye as much as possible during the run up to election day, but they will have a problem trying to hide Corbyn from the electorate.

I'd argue that having Priti Patel as Home Secretary is even more frightening.

A woman who ignored her own PM to have secret meetings with the Israel government, and then denied it before it was proved that it happened.

I also seem to remember her threatening ROI with food shortages not too long ago.

She has no interest in the public's health, having been a campaigner to overturn the smoking ban - I'm a smoker and even I know that's not a good option.

There's no doubting Diane Abbott has made mistakes when giving interviews etc, but she seems to get a terribly rough time from the press compared to others.

She's said the wrong things on occasions, she'll be the first to admit. But other MPs, such as Priti Patel, DO wrong things.

I know that's not a popular view on this forum, but I'm entitled to my opinion just as the hard right majority on here are.

Patel certainly would not be my choice for Home Secretary. Then again, not sure I would choose any of our current bunch of politicians to run a bath, never mind run a country. We have a right shower of career politicians who have themselves as their number one priority.

Just imagine who the Home Secretary would be if Labour were to win the next election. Scary stuff. I bet they will try to keep her out of the public eye as much as possible during the run up to election day, but they will have a problem trying to hide Corbyn from the electorate.

I'd argue that having Priti Patel as Home Secretary is even more frightening.

A woman who ignored her own PM to have secret meetings with the Israel government, and then denied it before it was proved that it happened.

I also seem to remember her threatening ROI with food shortages not too long ago.

She has no interest in the public's health, having been a campaigner to overturn the smoking ban - I'm a smoker and even I know that's not a good option.

There's no doubting Diane Abbott has made mistakes when giving interviews etc, but she seems to get a terribly rough time from the press compared to others.

She's said the wrong things on occasions, she'll be the first to admit. But other MPs, such as Priti Patel, DO wrong things.

I know that's not a popular view on this forum, but I'm entitled to my opinion just as the hard right majority on here are.

Patel certainly would not be my choice for Home Secretary. Then again, not sure I would choose any of our current bunch of politicians to run a bath, never mind run a country. We have a right shower of career politicians who have themselves as their number one priority.

She could run a bath for me any time

The bill has been passed to be read a second time without division.

Now moving onto committee stage.

Corbyn has confirmed he backs the General Election.

Looks like it's happening.

Not so quick I think. He wants to give the vote for this election to 16 and 17 year olds and foreign nationals. If they want to campaign on it and win then fair enough for the next election. There's no mandate for it now though.

Can't see the ammendment getting through anyway. Lib Dems and SNP are lobbying Bercow not to select that amendment.

In any case, it would be very difficult to change the Electoral Roll in time for this election.

So can't see that happening, but Labour will still vote for the election.

We're lucky Berkow was having a day off. In the end the opposition parties threw everything at it but fundamental changes to our voting rights should not have been taken as lightly as they were today.

Only two amendments have been selected, both related to the date.

- Changing the date to December 9th

- Changing the date to May 2020


So there will be no vote on the right for 16-17 year old and EU citizens to have a vote.

Lindsay Hoyle has done his chances of being elected the new Speaker no harm today on the Conservative side by not selecting any of the other amendments.

It's expected that Hoyle will win that vote comfortably now.

Outrageous opportunistic behaviour from some of the opposition parties. Lowering the voting age on a whim effectively. Only 2 countries in their beloved Europe subscribe to that Austria at 16 and Greece at 17. Christ Denmark at a referendum to allow it to be reduced to 18 which is where the rest of Europe rightly lies. As for extending voting rights to EU citizens, that doesn't happen anywhere else in Europe bar our special relationship with Ireland.

Are you surprised they tried this on? Ever since this as started remain MPs along with bercow have manipulated votes to suit remain agenda? I think trying to get 16yr olds to vote is nothing short of scandalous and blatant attempt to load election with pro remain voters especially liberals as students tend to be liberal minded ..

Outrageous opportunistic behaviour from some of the opposition parties. Lowering the voting age on a whim effectively. Only 2 countries in their beloved Europe subscribe to that Austria at 16 and Greece at 17. Christ Denmark at a referendum to allow it to be reduced to 18 which is where the rest of Europe rightly lies. As for extending voting rights to EU citizens, that doesn't happen anywhere else in Europe bar our special relationship with Ireland.

Are you surprised they tried this on? Ever since this as started remain MPs along with bercow have manipulated votes to suit remain agenda? I think trying to get 16yr olds to vote is nothing short of scandalous and blatant attempt to load election with pro remain voters especially liberals as students tend to be liberal minded ..

If they failed to get the result they wanted by lowering the age to 16, they would probably try again and lower the age to 10 if needs be. Far easier if they just amend the ballot paper to 2 simple options. Remain or remain. Bound to get the result they want.

MPs now voting on whether the bill be read a third time.

If this passes, there will be a General Election on December 12th.