QPR Hatred?

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How boring, can’t you come up with something original, or even mildly witty?

Happy to give tips, let me know.

It's not meant to be witty sorry if you are bored with being told that you are mentally ill
BUT you are mentally unstable get help I'm being serious you need help

Anyway now I have got through my fan mail...

Back to the thread.

Yes it seems the Sala situation is the root cause of the hatred (although I would say it was just a dislike personally) which is understandable and seems to be how many clubs are viewing it right now, even the majority of your own fans seem to be agreeing that it is handled despicably.

It may also be the style of play as we touched upon. It does seem quite dated and regarded as anti-football. I have shown the stats in that possession football tends to lead to success more than lack of possession, but on the same note I don’t think you can be criticised for it as you don’t have the technical ability to be able to do it, Warnock has purposely put a side together of big bruisers. You have to have a style that suits the team and long ball suits your players, so their complaints on that front are moot.

Sorry it this is just supposition being presented as fact and it's simply incorrect.

Having lived in Ealing for the last 15 years I know many, many QPR fans and the rivalry has existed way, way longer than the last year so to say the Sala incident is the root cause is woefully ignorant to that fact.

It might be another stick for them to beat us with but the animosity has been there since I've lived here and easily dates back to
2003 where they believe we cheated in the final by setting off the fire alarm in their players hotel at 2am the morning before the game.

In terms of the style of football, they (that is the QPR fans I know) are generally very positive towards Warnock and having had similar criticism regularly thrown their way by local rivals Brentford and especially Fulham of late, I highly doubt they would be quick to throw that one out as a reason to dislike us.

You have to have a style that suits the team and long ball suits your players

Sorry to pick you up on another thing, and I genuinely dont mean to be antogonistic but this lazy inference that a team that doesnt play a possesion based game is widely held but often massively inaccurate.

I accept you are not alone in falling into this default of the opposite of pretty little sideways passes must be lumping it up long ball, but it isn't necessarily the case.

Playing quickly on the break can be an effective anathema to tika taka and at the highest levels both styles are breathtaking to watch just think back to the 2013 Champions League where Barca put 4 past Milan in the quarters purring with their neat little triangles before Bayern thumped them 7-0 on aggregate in the semis playing a more direct and dynamic game, letting Barca have as much possession as they wanted in their own half and pressing high and countering quickly to devastating effect as soon as the ball crossed the half way line.

The thing is to translate tiki taka down to a lower standard of football such as the championship or even non top 6 premier, is hard because for it to truly work you need one or two players with vision and ability to seize the moment and break the line with a ball carrying run which the opens up the space you refer to Rodgers alluding to.

Without such players capable of seeing and grasping those opportunities, and such players are few and far between, teams playing this type of game can become predictable and relatively ineffective as we have seen from Fulham in particular this season.

Replicating a more counter-attacking style is perhaps slightly less challenging at a lower level though as the tactic is less reliant on individual brilliance and more reliant on being well drilled in how to transition from defence to attack as a team.

This is is something Warnock has implemented across his career as well as also always having a penchant for quick wingers who can get to the byline and whip a ball back - as soon as you do so you automatically pull defences out of shape which creates space for players arriving into the box late.

You'd be surprised how many of our goals come from some variant of this tactic.

The man has more promotions than anyone else in the leagues history and has employed a fairly repeatable blueprint across his entire career. Now that can't be coincidence

Warnockball as it were, is actually a long, long way from the old route one, long ball that Wimbledon played when it is broken down correctly. The only similarity being that both are styles of playing that disregards the importance of possesion stats.

Like I say sorry for picking out two points in your one post but this latter one is thrown at us so often, largely by people who have little understanding of how we actually play that I had to bite back.

Ironically, QPR fans I know appreciate my frustration on this better than most.

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Oh and not to eat anything that comes out of their nose.


Or anyone elses nose for that matter.

You have serious mental health issues please seek professional help your obsession with this board is not normal or healthy seek help

How boring, can’t you come up with something original, or even mildly witty?

Happy to give tips, let me know.

It's not meant to be witty sorry if you are bored with being told that you are mentally ill
BUT you are mentally unstable get help I'm being serious you need help

It's not meant to be witty sorry if you are bored with being told that you are mentally ill
BUT you are mentally unstable get help I'm being serious you need help

Oh I’m not bored with it in the slightest, it is just very un-original internet speak that is thrown around like confetti on football boards when someone feels inferior.

I just wish instead of resorting to such nonsense, people would actually back themselves and try to debate at least, before resorting to such old hat tactics, especially when they don’t seem to work

But I appreciate the apology.

Anyway now I have got through my fan mail...

Back to the thread.

Yes it seems the Sala situation is the root cause of the hatred (although I would say it was just a dislike personally) which is understandable and seems to be how many clubs are viewing it right now, even the majority of your own fans seem to be agreeing that it is handled despicably.

It may also be the style of play as we touched upon. It does seem quite dated and regarded as anti-football. I have shown the stats in that possession football tends to lead to success more than lack of possession, but on the same note I don’t think you can be criticised for it as you don’t have the technical ability to be able to do it, Warnock has purposely put a side together of big bruisers. You have to have a style that suits the team and long ball suits your players, so their complaints on that front are moot.

Sorry it this is just supposition being presented as fact and it's simply incorrect.

Having lived in Ealing for the last 15 years I know many, many QPR fans and the rivalry has existed way, way longer than the last year so to say the Sala incident is the root cause is woefully ignorant to that fact.

It might be another stick for them to beat us with but the animosity has been there since I've lived here and easily dates back to
2003 where they believe we cheated in the final by setting off the fire alarm in their players hotel at 2am the morning before the game.

In terms of the style of football, they (that is the QPR fans I know) are generally very positive towards Warnock and having had similar criticism regularly thrown their way by local rivals Brentford and especially Fulham of late, I highly doubt they would be quick to throw that one out as a reason to dislike us.

Eh? Did you read what I typed? How on earth can that be supposition presented as fact? You aren’t a stupid man I’m sure and fully understand the English language.

I made two points. The first one started with “it seems”, the second started with “it may also”, neither is presented as fact and is quite clearly a common sense deduction after reading the source material referred to in the thread where all animosity towards Cardiff either mention the playing style or the Sala transfer.

I fear you are intentionally misreading posts, so I hope that isn’t the case.

You have to have a style that suits the team and long ball suits your players

Sorry to pick you up on another thing, and I genuinely dont mean to be antogonistic but this lazy inference that a team that doesnt play a possesion based game is widely held but often massively inaccurate.

I accept you are not alone in falling into this default of the opposite of pretty little sideways passes must be lumping it up long ball, but it isn't necessarily the case.

Playing quickly on the break can be an effective anathema to tika taka and at the highest levels both styles are breathtaking to watch just think back to the 2013 Champions League where Barca put 4 past Milan in the quarters purring with their neat little triangles before Bayern thumped them 7-0 on aggregate in the semis playing a more direct and dynamic game, letting Barca have as much possession as they wanted in their own half and pressing high and countering quickly to devastating effect as soon as the ball crossed the half way line.

The thing is to translate tiki taka down to a lower standard of football such as the championship or even non top 6 premier, is hard because for it to truly work you need one or two players with vision and ability to seize the moment and break the line with a ball carrying run which the opens up the space you refer to Rodgers alluding to.

Without such players capable of seeing and grasping those opportunities, and such players are few and far between, teams playing this type of game can become predictable and relatively ineffective as we have seen from Fulham in particular this season.

Replicating a more counter-attacking style is perhaps slightly less challenging at a lower level though as the tactic is less reliant on individual brilliance and more reliant on being well drilled in how to transition from defence to attack as a team.

This is is something Warnock has implemented across his career as well as also always having a penchant for quick wingers who can get to the byline and whip a ball back - as soon as you do so you automatically pull defences out of shape which creates space for players arriving into the box late.

You'd be surprised how many of our goals come from some variant of this tactic.

The man has more promotions than anyone else in the leagues history and has employed a fairly repeatable blueprint across his entire career. Now that can't be coincidence

Warnockball as it were, is actually a long, long way from the old route one, long ball that Wimbledon played when it is broken down correctly. The only similarity being that both are styles of playing that disregards the importance of possesion stats.

Like I say sorry for picking out two points in your one post but this latter one is thrown at us so often, largely by people who have little understanding of how we actually play that I had to bite back.

Ironically, QPR fans I know appreciate my frustration on this better than most.

Don’t apologise, you can attempt to pick me up on something if there is need to, however I think you are getting carried away with yourself again. I can’t figure out if your are misreading my posts intentionally or just misinterpreting them, but either way you are taking something I didn’t say and going off on large rants.

I didn’t say you played route one football. I said you played long ball football, which you do. You even play long throw football at every opportunity. That’s not to say you don’t vary it, but if you think your squad has the ability to play tiki taka football, and that Warnock has the ability to implement it then I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Warnock has had great success yes, but that was in an era where the Championship was not that good in terms of quality. In the last couple of years the standard has shot up, we had the likes of a prime Tammy Abraham in it last season who a few months later was top scorer in the Premier League as a starting striker for Chelsea. We have a £35million strike force. It’s just a different level. I explained in this thread why you don’t see teams that win major leagues with a modicum of possession, that’s because in technical leagues you need a technical style.

Yes you can get some results playing the way you do, but we are talking about long term success, as in the course of the season. Unless there is a drastic drop off in talent in the Championship, which I don’t see happening for quite some time, then Warnock ball as it were will not gain another promotion. I would happily stick my neck out on that.

Eh? Did you read what I typed? How on earth can that be supposition presented as fact? You aren’t a stupid man I’m sure and fully understand the English language.

I made two points. The first one started with “it seems”, the second started with “it may also”, neither is presented as fact and is quite clearly a common sense deduction after reading the source material referred to in the thread where all animosity towards Cardiff either mention the playing style or the Sala transfer.

I fear you are intentionally misreading posts, so I hope that isn’t the case.

Fair enough. I read the phrase 'it seems' as a more conclusive statement rather than a questioning one.

In fairness, it could be read as either and you write with a fairly authoritative tone, some might call it arrogant, others confident, it is, after all, a fine line between the two. Given that tone is notoriously tricky to get right 100% of the time on a message board, perhaps I misunderstood your meaning.

If you put were merely putting your thoughts forward as conjecture rather than fact then I was incorrect with the opening line of my comment and happy to acknowledge that. The rest remains correct though, the Sala incident has nothing to do with why QPR dislike Cardiff, it dates much further back.

In answer to your final question, I assure you, I don't see the point in deliberately misreading a post.

I might pick someone up on something I think they have gotten wrong, I might put a counter viewpoint forward on a topic I find interesting and invariably I will get things wrong in some instances, in which case I'll hold my hand up, but I don't see the point in duplicity and playing games for the sake of scoring points on a message board.

Personally I'm a big fan of Hanlon's razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Eh? Did you read what I typed? How on earth can that be supposition presented as fact? You aren’t a stupid man I’m sure and fully understand the English language.

I made two points. The first one started with “it seems”, the second started with “it may also”, neither is presented as fact and is quite clearly a common sense deduction after reading the source material referred to in the thread where all animosity towards Cardiff either mention the playing style or the Sala transfer.

I fear you are intentionally misreading posts, so I hope that isn’t the case.

Fair enough. I read the phrase 'it seems' as a more conclusive statement rather than a questioning one.

In fairness, it could be read as either and you write with a fairly authoritative tone, some might call it arrogant, others confident, it is, after all, a fine line between the two. Given that tone is notoriously tricky to get right 100% of the time on a message board, perhaps I misunderstood your meaning.

If you put were merely putting your thoughts forward as conjecture rather than fact then I was incorrect with the opening line of my comment and happy to acknowledge that. The rest remains correct though, the Sala incident has nothing to do with why QPR dislike Cardiff, it dates much further back.

In answer to your final question, I assure you, I don't see the point in deliberately misreading a post.

I might pick someone up on something I think they have gotten wrong, I might put a counter viewpoint forward on a topic I find interesting and invariably I will get things wrong in some instances, in which case I'll hold my hand up, but I don't see the point in duplicity and playing games for the sake of scoring points on a message board.

Personally I'm a big fan of Hanlon's razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Well then apology accepted.

However without it seeming petty retaliation, I must pick you up on the fact you are now presenting supposition as fact. You cannot say that the Sala incident has no impact on the reasoning these fans are disliking your club. You have no idea the age of them or even if they harbour any animosity from then. Some may not have even been alive at the time. Remember this thread was referencing the comments on their forum - they are surrounding the Sala transfer and their disgust (something that seems universal and not limited to QPR) and your style of play.

Intentionally misreading posts, making strawman arguments is old hat on football messageboards (just like throwing mental illness accusations at people you can beat in a debate) so it is always a distinct possibility when someone does it twice in a single post. However I will take you on face value and believe you just got it wrong.

As for me being arrogant, possibly. Confident? Definitely.

I didn’t say you played route one football. I said you played long ball football, which you do. You even play long throw football at every opportunity. That’s not to say you don’t vary it, but if you think your squad has the ability to play tiki taka football, and that Warnock has the ability to implement it then I don’t know whether to laugh or cry...

Reduced the above for the sake of space.

Like I said not trying to pick you out on this, but there is a constant stream of people telling us that our brand of 'industrial football' is outdated and that possession-based pretty football is the only way to play the game. Yours was the one that I decided to finally respond to but it is as much an open rebuttal to the hoofball criticism levelled at us - if I mischaracterised your opinion of us as long ball and lumped you in with the rest of the critics unfairly then I apologise for that.

To be honest that whole second post was essentially an after thought. Although admittedly a long after thought (I'm procrastinating instead of doing a VAT return) and it was just something on my mind.

End of the day, I disagree with the assertion that you cannot be successful unless you dominate possession. It was only two years ago we got promoted playing exactly the same style of football. Last season we were very close to surviving in the Premier League, far closer than Fulham who play a possession-based game.

If you re-read my post and still come to the conclusion that I even remotely suggested we could play tiki-taka, or that Warnock would or could implement it then, I obviously should have expressed myself more clearly.

The point I actually was trying to make is the direct opposite of that.

Tiki-taka is often ineffective unless you have very, very good players who can bring a level of unpredictability to the flow of the game. Michu first season for you would be a good example of such a player when he was in all fairness outstanding. A high press counter-attacking game, on the other hand, is easier to implement with players of a lower standard as it is based around team discipline and coaching rather than individual performance.

That said when it is done with players of the highest calibre like Bayern Munich side of 2013 it is devastating. They beat a Barcelona side that is widely acknowledge as one of the greatest sides in history, 4-0 with just 38% of possession and then beat them 3-0 in their own backyard with just 40% of possession.

Eh? Did you read what I typed? How on earth can that be supposition presented as fact? You aren’t a stupid man I’m sure and fully understand the English language.

I made two points. The first one started with “it seems”, the second started with “it may also”, neither is presented as fact and is quite clearly a common sense deduction after reading the source material referred to in the thread where all animosity towards Cardiff either mention the playing style or the Sala transfer.

I fear you are intentionally misreading posts, so I hope that isn’t the case.

Fair enough. I read the phrase 'it seems' as a more conclusive statement rather than a questioning one.

In fairness, it could be read as either and you write with a fairly authoritative tone, some might call it arrogant, others confident, it is, after all, a fine line between the two. Given that tone is notoriously tricky to get right 100% of the time on a message board, perhaps I misunderstood your meaning.

If you put were merely putting your thoughts forward as conjecture rather than fact then I was incorrect with the opening line of my comment and happy to acknowledge that. The rest remains correct though, the Sala incident has nothing to do with why QPR dislike Cardiff, it dates much further back.

In answer to your final question, I assure you, I don't see the point in deliberately misreading a post.

I might pick someone up on something I think they have gotten wrong, I might put a counter viewpoint forward on a topic I find interesting and invariably I will get things wrong in some instances, in which case I'll hold my hand up, but I don't see the point in duplicity and playing games for the sake of scoring points on a message board.

Personally I'm a big fan of Hanlon's razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Well then apology accepted.

However without it seeming petty retaliation, I must pick you up on the fact you are now presenting supposition as fact. You cannot say that the Sala incident has no impact on the reasoning these fans are disliking your club. You have no idea the age of them or even if they harbour any animosity from then. Some may not have even been alive at the time. Remember this thread was referencing the comments on their forum - they are surrounding the Sala transfer and their disgust (something that seems universal and not limited to QPR) and your style of play.

Intentionally misreading posts, making strawman arguments is old hat on football messageboards (just like throwing mental illness accusations at people you can beat in a debate) so it is always a distinct possibility when someone does it twice in a single post. However I will take you on face value and believe you just got it wrong.

As for me being arrogant, possibly. Confident? Definitely.

No impact is wrong, I should have phrased that better and actually did initially when I said it was just the latest stick to beat us with.

With regards to younger fans, my thinking is that they may well not know why they dislike us or even have a rivalry but they will know it exists as it is passed down along the generations via the terraces and the pubs. My opinion on it is that the Sala stuff is just virtue signalling because they don't like us not the other way around.

Same as some younger Cardiff fans won't understand why we don't like Leeds but will still be aware that there is an extra edge whenever we play each other.

Plenty of supposition there in the above, but hopefully openly presented as such.

Gonna leave it there to disagree with you on pretty much both points but to do so in a civil manner.

I didn’t say you played route one football. I said you played long ball football, which you do. You even play long throw football at every opportunity. That’s not to say you don’t vary it, but if you think your squad has the ability to play tiki taka football, and that Warnock has the ability to implement it then I don’t know whether to laugh or cry...

Reduced the above for the sake of space.

Like I said not trying to pick you out on this, but there is a constant stream of people telling us that our brand of 'industrial football' is outdated and that possession-based pretty football is the only way to play the game. Yours was the one that I decided to finally respond to but it is as much an open rebuttal to the hoofball criticism levelled at us - if I mischaracterised your opinion of us as long ball and lumped you in with the rest of the critics unfairly then I apologise for that.

To be honest that whole second post was essentially an after thought. Although admittedly a long after thought (I'm procrastinating instead of doing a VAT return) and it was just something on my mind.

End of the day, I disagree with the assertion that you cannot be successful unless you dominate possession. It was only two years ago we got promoted playing exactly the same style of football. Last season we were very close to surviving in the Premier League, far closer than Fulham who play a possession-based game.

If you re-read my post and still come to the conclusion that I even remotely suggested we could play tiki-taka, or that Warnock would or could implement it then, I obviously should have expressed myself more clearly.

The point I actually was trying to make is the direct opposite of that.

Tiki-taka is often ineffective unless you have very, very good players who can bring a level of unpredictability to the flow of the game. Michu first season for you would be a good example of such a player when he was in all fairness outstanding. A high press counter-attacking game, on the other hand, is easier to implement with players of a lower standard as it is based around team discipline and coaching rather than individual performance.

That said when it is done with players of the highest calibre like Bayern Munich side of 2013 it is devastating. They beat a Barcelona side that is widely acknowledge as one of the greatest sides in history, 4-0 with just 38% of possession and then beat them 3-0 in their own backyard with just 40% of possession.

Now you are going down the rabbit hole of “what is success”. Is merely surviving in the Premier League really a success? With our brand of football we finished in the top 10 twice in the Premier League, so why not have those ambitions? Our first season there we finished 11th. What you seem to be saying is you can scrape by using that style of play, which is a bit different to success.

There is a reason Warnock has a horrific record in the Premier League and why no team dominates these top leagues adopting a long ball, physical approach and that’s because a good footballing side will beat a side like that more often than not. Yes, three seasons ago it worked in the Championship, but as I said the Championship has undergone a drastic change in quality since then. I would say this season looks the best it has ever and I thought the same last season. So you will see a mini version of what happens to long ball football in the Premier League happen here too.

Again it’s not a coincidence that when we took the top 2 possession sides in the top 2 leagues, they were all in the top 5. Yet the bottom 2 possession sides in each league were mainly in the bottom half, in fact I believe they all are in the bottom half after today but would have to double check that.

In terms of tiki taka, we played it in league 2 all the way to the Premier League and saw our most successful period in our history. I disagree you need outstanding players to implement it, just all understand the process and be comfortable on the ball. We were playing this way long before Michu. We played it with Mark Gower and Alan Tate.

No impact is wrong, I should have phrased that better and actually did initially when I said it was just the latest stick to beat us with.

With regards to younger fans, my thinking is that they may well not know why they dislike us or even have a rivalry but they will know it exists as it is passed down along the generations via the terraces and the pubs. My opinion on it is that the Sala stuff is just virtue signalling because they don't like us not the other way around.

Same as some younger Cardiff fans won't understand why we don't like Leeds but will still be aware that there is an extra edge whenever we play each other.

Plenty of supposition there in the above, but hopefully openly presented as such.

Gonna leave it there to disagree with you on pretty much both points but to do so in a civil manner.

I see no evidence of that though, I personally find it hard to believe a clubs fanbase harbours feelings to a team because of a fire alarm almost 20 years ago. In fact, I find it hard to believe there is any long standing hatred at all between the two clubs. Should their opinions on Sala and the style of play be solely limited to them then it may hold some weight, however they are simply expressing what seems to be universal opinion on it (Sala saga more specifically) - so to put universal opinion on a single group down to pre existing hate rather than the situation itself seems to be a bit of a stretch.

But I appreciate your view and your refreshing desire to actually debate sensibly.

Leeds, Swansea, Fulham and WBA have the highest in the Championship, although relatively similar to each other and they make up 4 of the top 5. Preston have the next highest and they are 6th in the table.

It’s no coincidence.

Wouldn't be a coincidence at all if it was right. Unfortunately you're a bit wide of the mark here.

Top 6 in terms of ball possession is as follows:

1. Fulham
2. Leeds
3. Brentford
4. Blackburn
5. QPR
6. Huddersfield

Source:https://www.fctables.com/england/championship/ball-possession/

We've got the 2nd worst possesion in the league yet are above 4 of the sides in that top 6 which would suggest there is no correlation between league position and possesion stats.

Our possession for the season we went up would probably blow that notion out of the water as well. More than one way to win a game of football.

He can’t be wrong though mate.
There will be some comeback.

He can’t be wrong though mate.
There will be some comeback.

Read the thread before trying to derail it.

Thanks.

He can’t be wrong though mate.
There will be some comeback.

Read the thread before trying to derail it.

Thanks.

I did...,and there was.
Try to get a bit of sleep now. All your loved ones will still be around here in the morning so you can speak to your fans tomorrow.

No impact is wrong, I should have phrased that better and actually did initially when I said it was just the latest stick to beat us with.

With regards to younger fans, my thinking is that they may well not know why they dislike us or even have a rivalry but they will know it exists as it is passed down along the generations via the terraces and the pubs. My opinion on it is that the Sala stuff is just virtue signalling because they don't like us not the other way around.

Same as some younger Cardiff fans won't understand why we don't like Leeds but will still be aware that there is an extra edge whenever we play each other.

Plenty of supposition there in the above, but hopefully openly presented as such.

Gonna leave it there to disagree with you on pretty much both points but to do so in a civil manner.

I see no evidence of that though, I personally find it hard to believe a clubs fanbase harbours feelings to a team because of a fire alarm almost 20 years ago. In fact, I find it hard to believe there is any long standing hatred at all between the two clubs. Should their opinions on Sala and the style of play be solely limited to them then it may hold some weight, however they are simply expressing what seems to be universal opinion on it (Sala saga more specifically) - so to put universal opinion on a single group down to pre existing hate rather than the situation itself seems to be a bit of a stretch.

Final comment then I really am done as I got to get this damn VAT stuff sorted.

Anecdotally living alongside and working with a large number of QPR fans I can tell you that they do widely dislike us and always have since I moved to Ealing. To clarify, it's not hatred it is just a general dislike.

Lots of clubs are taking a stance against us based on Sala but there is something more deep-rooted than that with QPR. Bear in mind we have been pretty much in the same division for the best part of 15 years or so give or take a few seasons and that is often all it takes to keep a rivalry going.

Again exactly the same case with Leeds and us. There is a genuine dislike between the two clubs but that has been kept grinding on by the fact that we have both been playing each other year in year out for a long time now.

But I appreciate your view and your refreshing desire to actually debate sensibly.

Croeso Iawn

I did...,and there was.
Try to get a bit of sleep now. All your loved ones will still be around here in the morning so you can speak to your fans tomorrow.

Of course there was, it’s called a conversation. However the point was to read the thread prior to making yourself look silly with your post, not after.

No thanks, sleeping at 7.45am doesn’t seem too appealing, but I appreciate the suggestion... as well as the flattering, but ultimately poor attempt to troll the thread again.

I did...,and there was.
Try to get a bit of sleep now. All your loved ones will still be around here in the morning so you can speak to your fans tomorrow.

Of course there was, it’s called a conversation. However the point was to read the thread prior to making yourself look silly with your post, not after.

No thanks, sleeping at 7.45am doesn’t seem too appealing, but I appreciate the suggestion... as well as the flattering, but ultimately poor attempt to troll the thread again.

Troll?

Troll?

Yes.

Forgive me if I missed anything other than you butting into a decent on topic conversation with a silly off topic quip, then.

Maybe there was a post which adequately described your position on the subject adding value to the ongoing discussion... it’s just that I (and no doubt anyone else) can’t see it for some reason.

No impact is wrong, I should have phrased that better and actually did initially when I said it was just the latest stick to beat us with.

With regards to younger fans, my thinking is that they may well not know why they dislike us or even have a rivalry but they will know it exists as it is passed down along the generations via the terraces and the pubs. My opinion on it is that the Sala stuff is just virtue signalling because they don't like us not the other way around.

Same as some younger Cardiff fans won't understand why we don't like Leeds but will still be aware that there is an extra edge whenever we play each other.

Plenty of supposition there in the above, but hopefully openly presented as such.

Gonna leave it there to disagree with you on pretty much both points but to do so in a civil manner.

I see no evidence of that though, I personally find it hard to believe a clubs fanbase harbours feelings to a team because of a fire alarm almost 20 years ago. In fact, I find it hard to believe there is any long standing hatred at all between the two clubs. Should their opinions on Sala and the style of play be solely limited to them then it may hold some weight, however they are simply expressing what seems to be universal opinion on it (Sala saga more specifically) - so to put universal opinion on a single group down to pre existing hate rather than the situation itself seems to be a bit of a stretch.

Final comment then I really am done as I got to get this damn VAT stuff sorted.

Anecdotally living alongside and working with a large number of QPR fans I can tell you that they do widely dislike us and always have since I moved to Ealing. To clarify, it's not hatred it is just a general dislike.

Lots of clubs are taking a stance against us based on Sala but there is something more deep-rooted than that with QPR. Bear in mind we have been pretty much in the same division for the best part of 15 years or so give or take a few seasons and that is often all it takes to keep a rivalry going.

Again exactly the same case with Leeds and us. There is a genuine dislike between the two clubs but that has been kept grinding on by the fact that we have both been playing each other year in year out for a long time now.

But I appreciate your view and your refreshing desire to actually debate sensibly.

Croeso Iawn

Well the Leeds dislike was down to the violence after the Cup game wasn’t it? Such things as violence can harbour long standing feuds.

I take your point regarding staying in the same league as them for a while, but reading the posts the OP is referring to they seem to be genuine enough in what they are saying that we should be taking them on face value instead of implying it is due to some long standing dislike. As I say, it does seem to be universal opinion and not just coming from QPR.

Troll?

Yes.

Forgive me if I missed anything other than you butting into a decent on topic conversation with a silly off topic quip, then.

Maybe there was a post which adequately described your position on the subject adding value to the ongoing discussion... it’s just that I (and no doubt anyone else) can’t see it for some reason.

It wasn’t off topic though, i was exactly right.
You were incorrect and though you admitted it you feverishly tried to justify your ‘facts’.
Sorry, just enjoyed reading that.
Apologies, I’m sure there were many of your pals on here waiting with bated breath for your reply.

Troll?

Yes.

Forgive me if I missed anything other than you butting into a decent on topic conversation with a silly off topic quip, then.

Maybe there was a post which adequately described your position on the subject adding value to the ongoing discussion... it’s just that I (and no doubt anyone else) can’t see it for some reason.

It wasn’t off topic though, i was exactly right.
You were incorrect and though you admitted it you feverishly tried to justify your ‘facts’.
Sorry, just enjoyed reading that.
Apologies, I’m sure there were many of your pals on here waiting with bated breath for your reply.

It was absolutely off topic. The topic in question is QPRs supposed hatred towards Cardiff, this was foreshadowed by a possession football debate. You didn’t offer any opinion on either, you offered an opinion on myself after poorly reading the thread - that is off topic trolling to garner my attention.

I didn’t feverishly try to do anything, I acknowledged the order was slightly out of sync, thanked him for noticing and re-affirmed the point I initially stated using the correct stats. I am glad you enjoyed me proving I was correct in the correlation between success and possession football.

No need to apologise, but accepted in any case.

Troll?

Yes.

Forgive me if I missed anything other than you butting into a decent on topic conversation with a silly off topic quip, then.

Maybe there was a post which adequately described your position on the subject adding value to the ongoing discussion... it’s just that I (and no doubt anyone else) can’t see it for some reason.

It wasn’t off topic though, i was exactly right.
You were incorrect and though you admitted it you feverishly tried to justify your ‘facts’.
Sorry, just enjoyed reading that.
Apologies, I’m sure there were many of your pals on here waiting with bated breath for your reply.

It was absolutely off topic. The topic in question is QPRs supposed hatred towards Cardiff, this was foreshadowed by a possession football debate. You didn’t offer any opinion on either, you offered an opinion on myself after poorly reading the thread - that is off topic trolling to garner my attention.

I didn’t feverishly try to do anything, I acknowledged the order was slightly out of sync, thanked him for noticing and re-affirmed the point I initially stated using the correct stats. I am glad you enjoyed me proving I was correct in the correlation between success and possession football.

No need to apologise, but accepted in any case.

Seriously don’t k ow whether to laugh or cry at your obvious state of mind.
Anyway, keep looking up at the hills around Swansea.
Night night Mush

Judging from your responses then closer to crying I would have thought.

Night mate.

Troll?

Yes.

Forgive me if I missed anything other than you butting into a decent on topic conversation with a silly off topic quip, then.

Maybe there was a post which adequately described your position on the subject adding value to the ongoing discussion... it’s just that I (and no doubt anyone else) can’t see it for some reason.

It wasn’t off topic though, i was exactly right.
You were incorrect and though you admitted it you feverishly tried to justify your ‘facts’.
Sorry, just enjoyed reading that.
Apologies, I’m sure there were many of your pals on here waiting with bated breath for your reply.

It was absolutely off topic. The topic in question is QPRs supposed hatred towards Cardiff, this was foreshadowed by a possession football debate. You didn’t offer any opinion on either, you offered an opinion on myself after poorly reading the thread - that is off topic trolling to garner my attention.

I didn’t feverishly try to do anything, I acknowledged the order was slightly out of sync, thanked him for noticing and re-affirmed the point I initially stated using the correct stats. I am glad you enjoyed me proving I was correct in the correlation between success and possession football.

No need to apologise, but accepted in any case.

Seriously don’t k ow whether to laugh or cry at your obvious state of mind.
Anyway, keep looking up at the hills around Swansea.
Night night Mush

Simple minds and all that...

Simple minds and all that...

You need to get off your sister and get down the doctors weirdo