BREAKING:CARDIFF MUST PAY FIRST INSTALMENT FOR SALA

Cardiff should pay up the 15 million fee but Nantes have been a disgrace over this issue showing no compassion whatsoever to either Cardiff or Sala family. All they have cared about from the start is the money.

Pay £5 million to Nantes to cover the losses this installment

Pay the next £5 installment installment to Salas family

Cardiff keep the other 5 million

That's a fair agreement in my eyes

You could say the same about us for not paying what we owe and instead dragging this out further than it needed to go we brought him and owe them money I don’t understand why anyone seriously thinks Nantes are not entitled to the money.

I think we were well within our rights to withhold the money until a full investigation was completed.

My point is that a young man has lost his life and all Nantes have cared about since day 1 is the money. They called for the payment before they even found the plane.

He cost them £1million 3 years ago, a deal could have been struck where as they make all the money back, Cardiff are not massively out of pocket and Salas family are looked after.

Cardiff have done nothing wrong in my eyes and have acted professionally but now the judgement is made we should pay the fee.

It doesn’t matter how much he cost Nantes initially. What matters is how much they sold him for, that figure was €15m. Why is it their concern that you aren’t massively out of pocket? I am unsure why you think they should accept a deal for less than was agreed, or why they shouldn’t have asked for what was clearly owed when Cardiff failed to pay.

Cardiff withheld the payment from Nantes and tried to find a technicality to get out of it, that was completely wrong. Let’s be honest here, this all came down to the fact that the club failed to lay on adequate transport and only offered a budget commercial flight that was highly inconvenient to get to having to then drive from Nantes to Paris when under time constraints and then Sala having to make his own arrangements. The second glaring error is the obvious lack of insurance taken out on the player. Had he been insured then none of this would have happened and Cardiff no doubt would have paid and let the insurance take care of it, however due to them taking their eye off the ball they tried to get out of it.

So much for accepting the decision too as most on here were saying. It seems they are appealing the decision handed down by FIFA which is only going to sky rocket the monies owed. You say Cardiff have done nothing wrong, I would say it is a 101 guide on exactly how NOT to do a transfer deal. That goes for looking after the player, insuring the deal and club to club conduct.

Again no doubt you will have a go at me, but as usual it’s all spot on and you know it.

Roathy mind your own business, no one cares about your cheap shots, what will be will be

I think in Mackays case given one of them arranged the flight, they will be well advised to forego their hard earned fee. He did say as much when put under the spotlight.

Booking a flight doesn’t make you liable to get sued though. I would imagine every person on this forum has booked a flight at one time or another. He had no idea the pilot would give the job to someone else who didn’t have the appropriate licence or isn’t liable for the owner or company not maintaining the plane properly should that be conclusively proven. As I said on the other thread, how many of us when booking a flight have requested the pilots documentation and also checked the planes mechanics ourselves? The answer is none of us of course as once we book it, the rest is up the company/owner of the service.

The only person/people the club can have a valid claim against is the owner of the plane or possibly the initial pilot that gave the job to someone who wasn’t properly qualified - but I highly doubt he has €15m to hand over. There isn’t any reason at all, now that FIFA have ratified the transfer as valid that the agents also are now able to claim for what is owed to them.

Ignore him it's only Roathy looking for an argument in his own stupid way, don't feed the troll

[quote="Sam ReaN"]FIFA Ordered Cardiff To Pay Up £5.3 Million / The first instalment of The Transfer Of Emiliano Sala



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BBC Sport has learned that the second instalment of the £15m fee agreed for Sala is due to be paid in January 2020.


The BBC sport website is suggesting we’ll owe the full amount and that it’s just the first instalment that’s due at this stage?


Cardiff City have been told to pay the first instalment of 6m euros (£5.3m) to Nantes for £15m striker Emiliano Sala.


BBC

Fifa ruled Cardiff must pay the sum "corresponding to the first instalment due" in the transfer agreement.

The Argentine, who was 28, died in a plane crash in January while travelling from France to join his new club.

Cardiff have argued they were not liable for any of the full £15m fee because Sala was not officially their player when he died.

The club refused to make interim payments, claiming the deal was not legally binding.

BBC Sport has learned that the second instalment of the £15m fee agreed for Sala is due to be paid in January 2020.

Cardiff believe the transfer was null and void because Cardiff said the Premier League had rejected certain clauses requested by Nantes in the original contract and that Sala never had a chance to review or sign the final version, meaning their record signing was not registered as a Premier League player.

Ligue 1 club Nantes claim the required paperwork was completed.








Monday 30th September 2019


Cardiff City have been told to pay a transfer fee of 6m euros (£5.3m) to Nantes for Emiliano Sala.



The Bluebirds had argued they could not be held liable for the £15million fee because Sala had not registered as a Premier League player.

But FIFA's player status committee has decided that they must pay the amount equivalent to the first instalment of that fee as he was actually signed.


The next step means that now a decision has been delivered, both clubs have a period of 10 days in which they can request a copy of the grounds which led to the decision and sum owed.

If either party is unhappy then an appeal can be lodged and the case will go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne.







BBC

Monday 30th September 2019


A Fifa panel met to rule on a dispute between the clubs, who had failed to reach agreement on settling payment for the striker.

The Argentine, who was 28, died in a plane crash in January while travelling from France to join his new club.

Cardiff had argued they were not liable for the £15m fee because Sala was not officially their player when he died.[/quote



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No one knows what will happen now, but most probably an appeal and we will take it from there, and then long term legal battle against the decision and possibly a legal negligence claim against the flight operators and organisers.

This will run and run forever just like Brexit!

It doesn’t matter how much he cost Nantes initially. What matters is how much they sold him for, that figure was €15m. Why is it their concern that you aren’t massively out of pocket? I am unsure why you think they should accept a deal for less than was agreed, or why they shouldn’t have asked for what was clearly owed when Cardiff failed to pay.

Cardiff withheld the payment from Nantes and tried to find a technicality to get out of it, that was completely wrong. Let’s be honest here, this all came down to the fact that the club failed to lay on adequate transport and only offered a budget commercial flight that was highly inconvenient to get to having to then drive from Nantes to Paris when under time constraints and then Sala having to make his own arrangements. The second glaring error is the obvious lack of insurance taken out on the player. Had he been insured then none of this would have happened and Cardiff no doubt would have paid and let the insurance take care of it, however due to them taking their eye off the ball they tried to get out of it.

So much for accepting the decision too as most on here were saying. It seems they are appealing the decision handed down by FIFA which is only going to sky rocket the monies owed. You say Cardiff have done nothing wrong, I would say it is a 101 guide on exactly how NOT to do a transfer deal. That goes for looking after the player, insuring the deal and club to club conduct.

Again no doubt you will have a go at me, but as usual it’s all spot on and you know it.[/quote]

Making an account just to have a go at the club regarding this just shows how much of a sad prick you are.

I’m not having a go at anyone or anything, it is what I have said from day 1 and similarly accused of “trying to make an argument”. Who am I trying to argue with exactly? What I am saying is true, and obviously always was much to the protestations on here.

So now it’s clear I am just saying that Mackay is probably within his rights to also claim his money and that should you want to sue to recover the 15m then that can only be against the owner of the plane.

I don’t see what can be remotely argumentative about that? Isn’t it just the situation then?

I think in Mackays case given one of them arranged the flight, they will be well advised to forego their hard earned fee. He did say as much when put under the spotlight.

Booking a flight doesn’t make you liable to get sued though. I would imagine every person on this forum has booked a flight at one time or another. He had no idea the pilot would give the job to someone else who didn’t have the appropriate licence or isn’t liable for the owner or company not maintaining the plane properly should that be conclusively proven. As I said on the other thread, how many of us when booking a flight have requested the pilots documentation and also checked the planes mechanics ourselves? The answer is none of us of course as once we book it, the rest is up the company/owner of the service.

The only person/people the club can have a valid claim against is the owner of the plane or possibly the initial pilot that gave the job to someone who wasn’t properly qualified - but I highly doubt he has €15m to hand over. There isn’t any reason at all, now that FIFA have ratified the transfer as valid that the agents also are now able to claim for what is owed to them.

I agree Welsh dragon.

I think in Mackays case given one of them arranged the flight, they will be well advised to forego their hard earned fee. He did say as much when put under the spotlight.

Booking a flight doesn’t make you liable to get sued though. I would imagine every person on this forum has booked a flight at one time or another. He had no idea the pilot would give the job to someone else who didn’t have the appropriate licence or isn’t liable for the owner or company not maintaining the plane properly should that be conclusively proven. As I said on the other thread, how many of us when booking a flight have requested the pilots documentation and also checked the planes mechanics ourselves? The answer is none of us of course as once we book it, the rest is up the company/owner of the service.

The only person/people the club can have a valid claim against is the owner of the plane or possibly the initial pilot that gave the job to someone who wasn’t properly qualified - but I highly doubt he has €15m to hand over. There isn’t any reason at all, now that FIFA have ratified the transfer as valid that the agents also are now able to claim for what is owed to them.

I agree Welsh dragon.

Indeed, people love to have a go at me as it’s easier than actually consider what I’m saying.

Not here to argue, troll or any of that rubbish. Never have been.

It’s just that what I say rarely wants to be heard.

I think in Mackays case given one of them arranged the flight, they will be well advised to forego their hard earned fee. He did say as much when put under the spotlight.

Booking a flight doesn’t make you liable to get sued though. I would imagine every person on this forum has booked a flight at one time or another. He had no idea the pilot would give the job to someone else who didn’t have the appropriate licence or isn’t liable for the owner or company not maintaining the plane properly should that be conclusively proven. As I said on the other thread, how many of us when booking a flight have requested the pilots documentation and also checked the planes mechanics ourselves? The answer is none of us of course as once we book it, the rest is up the company/owner of the service.

The only person/people the club can have a valid claim against is the owner of the plane or possibly the initial pilot that gave the job to someone who wasn’t properly qualified - but I highly doubt he has €15m to hand over. There isn’t any reason at all, now that FIFA have ratified the transfer as valid that the agents also are now able to claim for what is owed to them.

I agree Welsh dragon.

Indeed, people love to have a go at me as it’s easier than actually consider what I’m saying.

Not here to argue, troll or any of that rubbish. Never have been.

It’s just that what I say rarely wants to be heard.

Bullshit, you know exactly why you are on here. Which is why is you havnt posted anything for weeks and as soon as this is announced you're back on here. Sad as f**k.

Ignore this clown.

I think in Mackays case given one of them arranged the flight, they will be well advised to forego their hard earned fee. He did say as much when put under the spotlight.

Booking a flight doesn’t make you liable to get sued though. I would imagine every person on this forum has booked a flight at one time or another. He had no idea the pilot would give the job to someone else who didn’t have the appropriate licence or isn’t liable for the owner or company not maintaining the plane properly should that be conclusively proven. As I said on the other thread, how many of us when booking a flight have requested the pilots documentation and also checked the planes mechanics ourselves? The answer is none of us of course as once we book it, the rest is up the company/owner of the service.

The only person/people the club can have a valid claim against is the owner of the plane or possibly the initial pilot that gave the job to someone who wasn’t properly qualified - but I highly doubt he has €15m to hand over. There isn’t any reason at all, now that FIFA have ratified the transfer as valid that the agents also are now able to claim for what is owed to them.

I agree Welsh dragon.

Indeed, people love to have a go at me as it’s easier than actually consider what I’m saying.

Not here to argue, troll or any of that rubbish. Never have been.

It’s just that what I say rarely wants to be heard.

Bullshit, you know exactly why you are on here. Which is why is you havnt posted anything for weeks and as soon as this is announced you're back on here. Sad as f**k.

Ignore this clown.

I think we all know who he is. Was always going to be back here under yet another name.

I think in Mackays case given one of them arranged the flight, they will be well advised to forego their hard earned fee. He did say as much when put under the spotlight.

Booking a flight doesn’t make you liable to get sued though. I would imagine every person on this forum has booked a flight at one time or another. He had no idea the pilot would give the job to someone else who didn’t have the appropriate licence or isn’t liable for the owner or company not maintaining the plane properly should that be conclusively proven. As I said on the other thread, how many of us when booking a flight have requested the pilots documentation and also checked the planes mechanics ourselves? The answer is none of us of course as once we book it, the rest is up the company/owner of the service.

The only person/people the club can have a valid claim against is the owner of the plane or possibly the initial pilot that gave the job to someone who wasn’t properly qualified - but I highly doubt he has €15m to hand over. There isn’t any reason at all, now that FIFA have ratified the transfer as valid that the agents also are now able to claim for what is owed to them.

I agree Welsh dragon.

Indeed, people love to have a go at me as it’s easier than actually consider what I’m saying.

Not here to argue, troll or any of that rubbish. Never have been.

It’s just that what I say rarely wants to be heard.

Bullshit, you know exactly why you are on here. Which is why is you havnt posted anything for weeks and as soon as this is announced you're back on here. Sad as f**k.

Ignore this clown.

I’m back here because this news proves I was correct in what I was saying and the accusations at the time that I am only saying such things to cause a stir made to look foolish.

Listen, I post accurately and sensibly and called trolling. I get proven correct, come back and expand on it - and I’m trolling again? Don’t you ever learn? It’s like a never ending cycle.

I’m here to debate sensibly and am always pretty damn accurate. Instead of convincing yourself I’m arguing, how about consider what i am saying and respond on topic instead of trying to cause conflict. Wouldn’t that be an idea....

I think we all know who he is. Was always going to be back here under yet another name.

Of course I would be, I don’t hide - contrary to popular belief. What I was saying all along has been vindicated and the accusations towards me proven nonsense yet again, of course I would come back and debate the topic that I was so vocal on and came into criticism for. But nothing I am saying is offensive or argumentative, it’s just true, no matter what you feel you have to twist it to convince yourself I’m saying.

Again, the hostility to me is because what I say isn’t always what people want to hear. The fact I am accurate only annoys people more as it’s harder to ignore what I say - hence why they immediately try and dismiss it my any means they can, trolling and arguing are the two main ones... although I am never the one to argue which is ironic.

Anyway, do you disagree with anything I have said on the subject? The funny thing is, I bet nobody does. Yet still what I say is deemed argumentative even though no doubt everyone agrees with me. I’m used to it.

With club now being in embarrassing position of being told to pay afterall, who will get the wrath of Tans blame?

We've not looked after a significant signing. Lost control of his travel plans. Clearly not had comprehensive key man insurance in place. Actually thought we had messed up paperwork anyway and sought to use that as a way out but failed.

Will the player liason officer go, if he is still in situ, though I seem to remember reading he had gone, or do Choo or Dalman hold a responsibility here?

Between Tan, Choo and Dalman they certainly hold a responsibility of making club look like we've done absolutely every thing we can to wriggle out of paying our dues.

With club now being in embarrassing position of being told to pay afterall, who will get the wrath of Tans blame?

We've not looked after a significant signing. Lost control of his travel plans. Clearly not had comprehensive key man insurance in place. Actually thought we had messed up paperwork anyway and sought to use that as a way out but failed.

Will the player liason officer go, if he is still in situ, though I seem to remember reading he had gone, or do Choo or Dalman hold a responsibility here?

Between Tan, Choo and Dalman they certainly hold a responsibility of making club look like we've done absolutely every thing we can to wriggle out of paying our dues.

Two key places that failed in this transfer:-

1) Sala clearly didn’t want the inconvenience of travelling on a budget commercial flight whilst also having to travel from Nantes to Paris to catch it, when he was already under time constraints. He was a €15m signing and was left to make his own travel plans. It’s barking mad really. Obviously nobody was to know what would come of it, but you have to try and accomodate your players, they are big investments. I wouldn’t lay that squarely on the player liaison officer, that sounds more like some kind of club policy or budget constraint, I would guess that should that have been an option (a private flight) then it would have been offered.

2) Insurance. We are speculating here, but to me it seemed clear from the outset and I made it clear that I believe this is what all this situation stemmed from. Whoever took the decision not to insure the player prior to him flying to Wales has been financially negligent. I hate putting human situations into possession situations, but I ALWAYS make sure I am insured prior to transporting my new car to my house. If I crash it on the way, only myself to blame.

Someone ban this idiot

Another thread I wont be touching

Someone ban this idiot

Another thread I wont be touching

The sad f**k is back.

I’m with you mate.

Someone ban this idiot

Another thread I wont be touching

The sad f**k is back.

I’m with you mate.

Me too.

Someone ban this idiot

Another thread I wont be touching

You just have touched it.

What you mean of course is... “so it turns out he was right again, can someone please take him away so I don’t have to confront that fact and indeed save me from having to consider what else he is saying, because it also is probably going to be right and I don’t want to face it”. Imagine wanting someone banned for being right? Have a word with yourself and be humble and self aware enough to apologise for your previous accusations, acknowledge you are wrong and get back to discussing the subject should you wish to.

What in any way shape or form can anything I say here be seemed “idiotic”? The simple answer is it can’t be of course, just a convenient way for you to subject yourself to your own form of sensory propaganda. Anyway, yet again I make a sensible post and people are falling over themselves to talk about me and be confrontational, no doubt you will blame me too right?

Anyone wish to actually talk about the Sala transfer saga? The poster I responded to actually brought up some decent points which I have responded to, why you feel the need to derail the topic only you can answer.

Someone ban this idiot

Another thread I wont be touching

The sad f**k is back.

I’m with you mate.

Me too.

Another that absolutely hates the fact his narrative regarding me has fallen flat again with this news.

Once more, you have every opportunity to discuss the topic in a sensible manner, yet you choose to try and detail it just to save face. Admit you were wrong, move on. I don’t expect an apology, but you owe it to the users of this forum to try and debate and not wreck a thread just to try and deflect the fact that yet again I called it right and was incorrectly labelled for it.

So, back to the thread...

With club now being in embarrassing position of being told to pay afterall, who will get the wrath of Tans blame?

We've not looked after a significant signing. Lost control of his travel plans. Clearly not had comprehensive key man insurance in place. Actually thought we had messed up paperwork anyway and sought to use that as a way out but failed.

Will the player liason officer go, if he is still in situ, though I seem to remember reading he had gone, or do Choo or Dalman hold a responsibility here?

Between Tan, Choo and Dalman they certainly hold a responsibility of making club look like we've done absolutely every thing we can to wriggle out of paying our dues.

This was the post we are discussing by the way before the usual suspects jumped on board. Some good points and questions raised, my response was below it for anyone wishing to see my perspective. Any personal jibes please direct to my PM.

Someone ban this idiot

Another thread I wont be touching

The sad f**k is back.

I’m with you mate.

Me too.

Another that absolutely hates the fact his narrative regarding me has fallen flat again with this news.

Once more, you have every opportunity to discuss the topic in a sensible manner, yet you choose to try and detail it just to save face. Admit you were wrong, move on. I don’t expect an apology, but you owe it to the users of this forum to try and debate and not wreck a thread just to try and deflect the fact that yet again I called it right and was incorrectly labelled for it.

So, back to the thread...

Elaborate please. All I have sad on this thread is that you are back under yet another user name, and that I believe Cardiff will have to pay the subsequent instalments subject to any possible appeals. Which of those points is wrong?

With club now being in embarrassing position of being told to pay afterall, who will get the wrath of Tans blame?

We've not looked after a significant signing. Lost control of his travel plans. Clearly not had comprehensive key man insurance in place. Actually thought we had messed up paperwork anyway and sought to use that as a way out but failed.

Will the player liason officer go, if he is still in situ, though I seem to remember reading he had gone, or do Choo or Dalman hold a responsibility here?

Between Tan, Choo and Dalman they certainly hold a responsibility of making club look like we've done absolutely every thing we can to wriggle out of paying our dues.

This was never going to look good on the club regardless of the outcome. If it was decided that we didnt have to pay then we would been blamed for wriggling out of it, now we have been ordered to pay it just seems like we have tried to wriggle out of it and failed. It was a lose lose situation for the club. The club were completely in their right to withhold the initial payment though until the matter was investigated. However you want to look at it the contract was not finalised. The FA were unhappy with certain clauses that would have been changed which Sala never got to sign. At the end of the day football is a business and I guarantee any business would have done the same in this situation given the sum of money involved. It is a shit situation to be in and it is extremely unfortunate to have happened to us.

Regarding Tan's wrath, I am pretty sure the people you have mentioned feel a degree of personal responsibility for what happened anyway and I don't think Tan personally blaming them for Sala's death will help the situation in any way at all. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. In hindsight Warnock would have made Sala travel to Newcastle with the team instead of letting him go back to France to say his goodbyes, and the club would have arranged all travel for him and the ensured all insurance was already in place. But in the history of football how many players have died during the signing process? This is a completely unique case that nobody could have foreseen. Sala was a grown man earning huge amounts of money, the club couldn't have predicted that an unsafe plane and unqualified pilot would have been arranged to carry him.

Personally I am glad a decision has been made so we can finally move on from this. I just feel sorry for the families where their losses are being overshadowed by a legal dispute.

Elaborate please. All I have sad on this thread is that you are back under yet another user name, and that I believe Cardiff will have to pay the subsequent instalments subject to any possible appeals. Which of those points is wrong?

So you ask me to elaborate yet refuse to when you are asked? That’s convenient:

Anyway - you said last time I discussed this, that I was only saying it to be argumentative. In fact that seems to be your “go-to” phrase with anything I say. When what I say turns out to be 100% accurate you don’t apologise, you don’t acknowledge it - but you continue to stir the pot that you mistakenly decided to contribute to, destroying threads in the process and no doubt weighing in when I get blamed for it (when all I have done is posted an accurate on topic post).

As I said to you, you had every opportunity to discuss this topic. Instead you decide to join the people who hate the fact I was correct. Just discuss the topic man.

Elaborate please. All I have sad on this thread is that you are back under yet another user name, and that I believe Cardiff will have to pay the subsequent instalments subject to any possible appeals. Which of those points is wrong?

So you ask me to elaborate yet refuse to when you are asked? That’s convenient:

Anyway - you said last time I discussed this, that I was only saying it to be argumentative. In fact that seems to be your “go-to” phrase with anything I say. When what I say turns out to be 100% accurate you don’t apologise, you don’t acknowledge it - but you continue to stir the pot that you mistakenly decided to contribute to, destroying threads in the process and no doubt weighing in when I get blamed for it (when all I have done is posted an accurate on topic post).

As I said to you, you had every opportunity to discuss this topic. Instead you decide to join the people who hate the fact I was correct. Just discuss the topic man.

So which of the two points I mentioned in this thread were wrong? Just curious as you told me to admit I was wrong. Shouldn't be difficult, I hardly discussed anything else on this thread.

So which of the two points I mentioned in this thread were wrong? Just curious as you told me to admit I was wrong. Shouldn't be difficult, I hardly discussed anything else on this thread.

I am unsure why you are restricting your posting history to this thread?

You are contributing to the off topic nonsense on here instead of admitting you were incorrect and that my points were indeed perfectly valid that I made since day 1 of this whole thing. Stop digging Steve, you are better than that.

Can I assume you now agree with my points on the matter then? I’ll be surprised if you give a straight answer to that one of course.

So which of the two points I mentioned in this thread were wrong? Just curious as you told me to admit I was wrong. Shouldn't be difficult, I hardly discussed anything else on this thread.

I am unsure why you are restricting your posting history to this thread?

You are contributing to the off topic nonsense on here instead of admitting you were incorrect and that my points were indeed perfectly valid that I made since day 1 of this whole thing. Stop digging Steve, you are better than that.

Can I assume you now agree with my points on the matter then? I’ll be surprised if you give a straight answer to that one of course.

So you can't answer the question, even though it was quite easy really. No point asking me to admit I was wrong when the only two things I have said was that you are back under yet another of your numerous user names, and that Cardiff would probably be liable for the entire fee. Both statements, in my opinion, are 100% true although I am just guessing as far as the transfer fee is concerned as I am not itk with regards to the legalities of this transaction. As I have said in other threads, I have always thought the likely outcome would be that Cardiff would be told to pay up, and as I have also said, I have always believed the club would abide promptly with any decision made by FIFA. That's all on this topic from me, past experience tells me this will run into pages and pages until you are banned yet again.

So which of the two points I mentioned in this thread were wrong? Just curious as you told me to admit I was wrong. Shouldn't be difficult, I hardly discussed anything else on this thread.

I am unsure why you are restricting your posting history to this thread?

You are contributing to the off topic nonsense on here instead of admitting you were incorrect and that my points were indeed perfectly valid that I made since day 1 of this whole thing. Stop digging Steve, you are better than that.

Can I assume you now agree with my points on the matter then? I’ll be surprised if you give a straight answer to that one of course.

So you can't answer the question, even though it was quite easy really. No point asking me to admit I was wrong when the only two things I have said was that you are back under yet another of your numerous user names, and that Cardiff would probably be liable for the entire fee. Both statements, in my opinion, are 100% true although I am just guessing as far as the transfer fee is concerned as I am not itk with regards to the legalities of this transaction. As I have said in other threads, I have always thought the likely outcome would be that Cardiff would be told to pay up, and as I have also said, I have always believed the club would abide promptly with any decision made by FIFA. That's all on this topic from me, past experience tells me this will run into pages and pages until you are banned yet again.

I just did answer the question. You asked where you were wrong, I told you. You were wrong when you quite clearly said that I was only saying what I was saying to troll or be argumentative, now that it turns out I was actually spot on you instead have chosen to continue the nonsense by adding to the off topic bilge on here instead if fronting up and/or simply adding to the discussion sensibly and respectfully. You twisted that to me only being allowed to scrutinise a select two comments made on this thread (none of which I ever claimed to be incorrect) - however you were also wrong about not touching it if you did want an example of you being incorrect in this thread specifically.

Your past experience is spot on. Debates with me usually do run for pages and pages as people refuse to acknowledge what I am saying and dance around the fact I am actually talking sense until it degenerates into nonsense with them finally running off to the mods to get me banned for essentially being right. I also don’t see this ending any differently tbh judging on how it is going thus far.

All i can do it continue to give my sensible on topic view and let time prove I was not trolling afterall. It has worked every time so far, don’t see that changing.

So which of the two points I mentioned in this thread were wrong? Just curious as you told me to admit I was wrong. Shouldn't be difficult, I hardly discussed anything else on this thread.

I am unsure why you are restricting your posting history to this thread?

You are contributing to the off topic nonsense on here instead of admitting you were incorrect and that my points were indeed perfectly valid that I made since day 1 of this whole thing. Stop digging Steve, you are better than that.

Can I assume you now agree with my points on the matter then? I’ll be surprised if you give a straight answer to that one of course.

So you can't answer the question, even though it was quite easy really. No point asking me to admit I was wrong when the only two things I have said was that you are back under yet another of your numerous user names, and that Cardiff would probably be liable for the entire fee. Both statements, in my opinion, are 100% true although I am just guessing as far as the transfer fee is concerned as I am not itk with regards to the legalities of this transaction. As I have said in other threads, I have always thought the likely outcome would be that Cardiff would be told to pay up, and as I have also said, I have always believed the club would abide promptly with any decision made by FIFA. That's all on this topic from me, past experience tells me this will run into pages and pages until you are banned yet again.

I just did answer the question. You asked where you were wrong, I told you. You were wrong when you quite clearly said that I was only saying what I was saying to troll or be argumentative, now that it turns out I was actually spot on you instead have chosen to continue the nonsense by adding to the off topic bilge on here instead if fronting up and/or simply adding to the discussion sensibly and respectfully. You twisted that to me only being allowed to scrutinise a select two comments made on this thread (none of which I ever claimed to be incorrect) - however you were also wrong about not touching it if you did want an example of you being incorrect in this thread specifically.

Your past experience is spot on. Debates with me usually do run for pages and pages as people dance around the fact I am actually talking sense until it degenerates into nonsense with them finally running off to the mods to get me banned for essentially being right. I also don’t see this ending any differently tbh judging on how it is going thus far.

All i can do it continue to give my sensible on topic view and let time prove I was not trolling afterall. It has worked every time so far, don’t see that changing.

It didnt take long for you to talk about your self proclaimed superiority over everyone else. That is why people think your wanker, it has nothing to do with you claiming it is because you say things that people do not want to hear.

Im not sure what you think you have been correct about that has made everyone else wrong either. The club have always said they would pay what was owed once the investigation was complete. That is what they are doing and regardless of the outcome it is what most fans expected as well.

So which of the two points I mentioned in this thread were wrong? Just curious as you told me to admit I was wrong. Shouldn't be difficult, I hardly discussed anything else on this thread.

I am unsure why you are restricting your posting history to this thread?

You are contributing to the off topic nonsense on here instead of admitting you were incorrect and that my points were indeed perfectly valid that I made since day 1 of this whole thing. Stop digging Steve, you are better than that.

Can I assume you now agree with my points on the matter then? I’ll be surprised if you give a straight answer to that one of course.

So you can't answer the question, even though it was quite easy really. No point asking me to admit I was wrong when the only two things I have said was that you are back under yet another of your numerous user names, and that Cardiff would probably be liable for the entire fee. Both statements, in my opinion, are 100% true although I am just guessing as far as the transfer fee is concerned as I am not itk with regards to the legalities of this transaction. As I have said in other threads, I have always thought the likely outcome would be that Cardiff would be told to pay up, and as I have also said, I have always believed the club would abide promptly with any decision made by FIFA. That's all on this topic from me, past experience tells me this will run into pages and pages until you are banned yet again.

I just did answer the question. You asked where you were wrong, I told you. You were wrong when you quite clearly said that I was only saying what I was saying to troll or be argumentative, now that it turns out I was actually spot on you instead have chosen to continue the nonsense by adding to the off topic bilge on here instead if fronting up and/or simply adding to the discussion sensibly and respectfully. You twisted that to me only being allowed to scrutinise a select two comments made on this thread (none of which I ever claimed to be incorrect) - however you were also wrong about not touching it if you did want an example of you being incorrect in this thread specifically.

Your past experience is spot on. Debates with me usually do run for pages and pages as people refuse to acknowledge what I am saying and dance around the fact I am actually talking sense until it degenerates into nonsense with them finally running off to the mods to get me banned for essentially being right. I also don’t see this ending any differently tbh judging on how it is going thus far.

All i can do it continue to give my sensible on topic view and let time prove I was not trolling afterall. It has worked every time so far, don’t see that changing.

According to this you have made 18 posts relating to the decision made by FIFA. I have neither called you a troll or argumentative regarding this, and have not even claimed anything you have said relating to this outcome as being incorrect. All I have said is as already stated, ie your numerous user names and Cardiff paying out in full. The reason I look forward to you being banned (probably a dead cert), is because each time you come on here you begin by sensibly debating various topics (even I agreed with you early on last time), before reverting back to being your typical internet troll. I will leave you to it now, I know you feed off posters like me and that is how you get your kicks. Have a nice time on here for as long as it lasts, hopefully not too long.

It didnt take long for you to talk about your self proclaimed superiority over everyone else. That is why people think your wanker, it has nothing to do with you claiming it is because you say things that people do not want to hear.

Im not sure what you think you have been correct about that has made everyone else wrong either. The club have always said they would pay what was owed once the investigation was complete. That is what they are doing and regardless of the outcome it is what most fans expected as well.

Didn’t take me long? Where have I claimed my “self proclaimed superiority”? Are you making things up in order to pick an argument (again)? Show me where I talked about my superiority then...

Anyway, unless you have had your head in the sand. From the week this happened last season, I said that it looks very likely that the club will have to pay. Insurance probably wasn’t taken out. The contract error won’t matter as intent would supersede the technicalities. You would be unable to sue Nantes or the agent and can only seek recompense from the owners of the plane.

Each and every time any point was made regarding the above, I was told I was wrong and just trying to be shocking in order to argue, troll, seek attention (delete as appropriate). So people can think I am anything they want, the fact is that YET AGAIN, my perfectly valid, fair and ultimately correct contributions to this board have been vindicated.

I came on here quite clearly to continue the discussions sensibly. The likes of yourself however have decided to turn it into yet another one sided slanging match as you simply don’t wish to face reality. Feel free to return the topic back to where the club goes from here - some posters have raised some good points, how about responding to them instead of picking an argument with me?

According to this you have made 18 posts relating to the decision made by FIFA. I have neither called you a troll or argumentative regarding this, and have not even claimed anything you have said relating to this outcome as being incorrect. All I have said is as already stated, ie your numerous user names and Cardiff paying out in full. The reason I look forward to you being banned (probably a dead cert), is because each time you come on here you begin by sensibly debating various topics (even I agreed with you early on last time), before reverting back to being your typical internet troll. I will leave you to it now, I know you feed off posters like me and that is how you get your kicks. Have a nice time on here for as long as it lasts, hopefully not too long.

You are contradicting yourself. You say I am back (acknowledging my previous usernames) but then only discussing those made under this one? You know full well my stance on this transfer and you know full well I have been proven spot on.

Again Steve, you run a mile before you have to back up your ever so boring accusation of trolling. You would not be able to pick out a single post of mine that is deemed as trolling and you know it. What you mean is, I start off discussing sensibly until people have enough that they can’t get under my skin and wreck any thread I am in. That isn’t me trolling, which is why you run a mile every time you utter it as you know I will ask you for an example.

I agree, no doubt I will be banned, probably today some time. That’s not a mark on my character or behaviour however. That’s simply down to the vocal minority on here kicking up a stink that I dare be correct and do it eloquently. It’s threatening to them. But we also both know that all that happens is I get another username down the line when I wish to discuss something and the cycle continues again - but you will still never be able to back your claims and my “trolling” will always prove itself to be sensible discussion in time. I’m happy enough with how it works.