Judges

Farage and Rees Mogg are Conservative.
Boris and Cameron are liberal, the fact they are now considered Conservative shows just how much the ground has crept towards the left. Fortunately this seems to be changing during this realignment.
People have had enough of all these fabians dictating speech, gender pro nouns, gender etc etc

if you think that Boris and Cameron are liberal I would suggest that you do a bit of digging on Tory values v. Liberal values

You'll be saying Rees-Mogg is a socialist next !!!!!

Dianne Abbototumus sent her spawn to private school is she still a socialist?

The point was being made about certain Tories being liberal. It's not just about their education/upbringing but also their values which is why I raised those individuals.

Are you saying that Corbyn or Abbots values are right of centre !!??

Boris, Cameron, Rees-Mogg are about as liberal as Thatcher

If you read my post it’s clearly not what I’m saying. The point is the nauseating hypocrisy of people like Abbott and Corbyn using the Public School system themselves then speaking out against it. Bit like the over privileged royals or film stars stepping off a Lear Jet then lecturing us ordinary people not to fly for our annual holiday.

I can see what you're saying but that wasn't what I was commenting on.

I was replying to a comment that says Boris and Cameron are liberals, that is clearly not correct whatever your definition of "Liberal" !!

Why isn't Boris a liberal?

Take your pick out of this lot. Not a lot of crossover here:

Positioned in the centre ground of British politics, the Liberal Democrats ideologically draw upon both liberalism and more specifically a social form of that ideology which promotes equality of opportunity. Different factions have dominated the party at different points in its history, each with its own ideological bent, some leaning towards the centre-left and others the centre-right. The party calls for constitutional reform, including a transition from the first-past-the-post voting system to proportional representation. Emphasising stronger protections for civil liberties, the party promotes socially liberal approaches to issues like LGBT rights, drug liberalisation, education policy, and criminal justice. It favours a market-based economy supplemented with social welfare spending. The party is internationalist and pro-European, supporting a People's Vote for the continued UK membership of the European Union and greater European integration; it previously called for adoption of the euro currency. The Lib Dems have promoted further environmental protections and opposed certain UK military engagements like the Iraq War.

Or do you need further examples

You can be liberal without being a member of the *liberal* democrats lol
Boris Johnson fits much of that criteria. Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration. The most racially diverse cabinet ever.
Why do you think Boris isn't a liberal? What about him is illiberal?
To my mind, Boris like many contemporary "one nation" *conservatives* could easily be in the Liberal Democrats. Which is why Nick Clegg formed a coalition with David Cameron over Gordon Brown.

I give up

So being " Pro gay marriage, pro burka, individual freedom, loves mass immigration" makes you a liberal above all the other policies ? They may be relatively close to the centre right compared to some of their colleagues but they are pretty far away from the centre or centre left !!

Jesus this is like watching the Overton window shift further to the left in real time.

How can the centre right be far away from the centre? It is by definition right wing that is close to the centre.

The left is now completley illiberal by all traditional definitions.

God what I wouldn't give for an actual centre left party in opposition rather than the progressive insanity that is Marxism in a new dress.

The definiton of liberal is 'willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own' how far away is Labour and their continuous pursuit of identity politics and social equity from this fundamental understanding of 'liberalism'?