Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:12 pm
Bluedodo wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.![]()
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.
Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf
The vote to go into the EU as it was then in the 70s wasn't legally binding, but I'm guessing your ok with that one and won't shout it from the rooftops??
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:18 pm
mugsy wrote:Johnson is on the way to being one of our shortest serving Prime Ministers ( thank goodness! ).
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:33 pm
Bluebina wrote:Jock wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Jock wrote:Costa Coffee Crew wrote:wez1927 wrote:Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632
Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.
A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.
It's a novel tactic by the 'people who believe in democracy' side by doing something which is the complete opposite of the definition of democracy (a system of government).
I've always found the traitor line odd, could someone explain how people have been traitors (with examples of course)?
Our PM (love him or hate him) is negotiating a deal with the E.U., remainers are meeting with the E.U. promising they’ll stop Brexit and weakening our position, if that’s not treachery what is.
Spot on that's despicable
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:38 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:42 pm
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:51 pm
Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l
You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action.
Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:14 pm
Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l
You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action.
Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:15 pm
Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l
You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action.
Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:18 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:30 pm
paulh_85 wrote:Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l
You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action.
I fully expect him to have a deal to put to parliament when they start back in October
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:03 pm
wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l
You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action.
I fully expect him to have a deal to put to parliament when they start back in October
I agree i can see a transition to a Canada plus type deal
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:11 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:24 pm
snoopystorm wrote:Personally I think there’s more to this than just Boris shutting parliament down for a month, the fact that it came out today that The Queen will address parliament on October 14th shows there’s more to it, she doesn’t tend to get involved in politics any more than accepting resignations and new PM’s.
She has the power to dissolve/disband the government if she has too and to be honest at the moment with how pathetically childish the MP’s are being there won’t be a government if we had a GE now and disbanding them would be a good idea
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:43 pm
Jock wrote:Costa Coffee Crew wrote:Jock wrote:Costa Coffee Crew wrote:wez1927 wrote:Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632
Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.
A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.
A fight between Internationalists and Little Englanders.
A fight between people living in the past and those who look to the future.
A fight between those who do not not believe in parliamentary democracy ( oh the irony) and those who do.
Time for interpretive dance Jock. It helps with flexibility. Who knows it may help get your head out your ass.
I’m no little Englander
I voted Brexit for future generations not myself
The country voted, democratically, to leave
I feel my PHD in interpretive dance is as far as I can take it, I’ll send my dissertation on the Hucklebuck over, if you’d like to read and critique it.
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:50 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.![]()
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.
Sorry but the last bit is a lie
https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/
You can see papers from 2015 specifically stating that the government doesn't need to implement it. Just because every brochure didn't state it doesn't mean it's suddenly different.
Just because the government said they'd do it doesn't mean that they have to (as we all know through many years experience)
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:51 pm
pembroke allan wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.![]()
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.
Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf
So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.
Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6
Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?
There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY
Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:54 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:57 pm
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:pembroke allan wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.![]()
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.
Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf
So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.
Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6
Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?
There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY
Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.
Straight question. Deserves a straight answer. Yes I will accept it. Because now people will have at least some idea of the implications of Brexit. If after all this shit, if people vote to leave it will be disappointing but we will have to accept it. It appears to me the question must be final so should be remain or no deal. The only upside of leave is that it will strengthen the march towards independence for Wales - and I never thought I would ever say that. I just cannot accept being led by people like Johnson and Rees Mogg.
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:58 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:17 pm
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:Jock wrote:Costa Coffee Crew wrote:Jock wrote:Costa Coffee Crew wrote:wez1927 wrote:Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632
Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.
A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.
A fight between Internationalists and Little Englanders.
A fight between people living in the past and those who look to the future.
A fight between those who do not not believe in parliamentary democracy ( oh the irony) and those who do.
Time for interpretive dance Jock. It helps with flexibility. Who knows it may help get your head out your ass.
I’m no little Englander
I voted Brexit for future generations not myself
The country voted, democratically, to leave
I feel my PHD in interpretive dance is as far as I can take it, I’ll send my dissertation on the Hucklebuck over, if you’d like to read and critique it.
Congraulations. You know how to use Google.
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:26 pm
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:pembroke allan wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.![]()
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.
Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf
So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.
Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6
Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?
There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY
Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.
Straight question. Deserves a straight answer. Yes I will accept it. Because now people will have at least some idea of the implications of Brexit. If after all this shit, if people vote to leave it will be disappointing but we will have to accept it. It appears to me the question must be final so should be remain or no deal. The only upside of leave is that it will strengthen the march towards independence for Wales - and I never thought I would ever say that. I just cannot accept being led by people like Johnson and Rees Mogg.
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:32 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:05 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:14 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:00 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Costa Coffee Crew wrote:pembroke allan wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum.![]()
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.
Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf
So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.
Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6
Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?
There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY
Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.
Straight question. Deserves a straight answer. Yes I will accept it. Because now people will have at least some idea of the implications of Brexit. If after all this shit, if people vote to leave it will be disappointing but we will have to accept it. It appears to me the question must be final so should be remain or no deal. The only upside of leave is that it will strengthen the march towards independence for Wales - and I never thought I would ever say that. I just cannot accept being led by people like Johnson and Rees Mogg.
Garauntee your in minority accepting this.. ..As for independence not in million years! Why Would anyone want plaid or WAG running wales?
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:02 pm
Ninianman wrote:All those MPs fighting against brexit need to be listed when the next general election comes around,the electorate can then either back them or sack them
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:09 pm
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:15 pm
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Ninianman wrote:All those MPs fighting against brexit need to be listed when the next general election comes around,the electorate can then either back them or sack them
That is generally what a general election consists of yes
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:45 pm
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:Ninianman wrote:All those MPs fighting against brexit need to be listed when the next general election comes around,the electorate can then either back them or sack them
That is generally what a general election consists of yes