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Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:12 pm

Bluedodo wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum. :happy1: :happy1:


Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf


The vote to go into the EU as it was then in the 70s wasn't legally binding, but I'm guessing your ok with that one and won't shout it from the rooftops??


We joined the common market (trading block) not the EU.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:18 pm

mugsy wrote:Johnson is on the way to being one of our shortest serving Prime Ministers ( thank goodness! ).


I wouldn't go putting too much money on that statement if I was you.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:33 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Jock wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Jock wrote:
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632


Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.

A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.


It's a novel tactic by the 'people who believe in democracy' side by doing something which is the complete opposite of the definition of democracy (a system of government).

I've always found the traitor line odd, could someone explain how people have been traitors (with examples of course)?

Our PM (love him or hate him) is negotiating a deal with the E.U., remainers are meeting with the E.U. promising they’ll stop Brexit and weakening our position, if that’s not treachery what is.


Spot on that's despicable :thumbup:

Spot on

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:38 pm

A traitor may be defined as someone who defies a principle, or goes against a country or Government..

It could be you Josh..

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:42 pm

100% behind Boris stop the red coated Meerkat known as Comrade Corbyn and all the rabble trying to stop the will of the British people.
As i type this Ruth Davidson says she will resign well go on then lettuce licker your not a properly elected politician anyway. JOG ON :banghead:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:44 pm

Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l

You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action. :wave:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:51 pm

Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l

You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action. :wave:



I fully expect him to have a deal to put to parliament when they start back in October

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:14 pm

Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l

You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action. :wave:



you have to be even thicker to act as though and tell the EU you wont leave without a deal though ?

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:15 pm

Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l

You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action. :wave:


Don’t be a tootsie wootsie..

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:18 pm

All I know is, I've had a f*cking guts full of non football crap being pinned to the top of this board.

It just promotes juvenile name calling and the worst trpe of propoganda.

I can live with opposing views when it's about Cardiff City because that's what the board is for.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:30 pm

paulh_85 wrote:
Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l

You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action. :wave:



I fully expect him to have a deal to put to parliament when they start back in October

I agree i can see a transition to a Canada plus type deal

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:03 pm

wez1927 wrote:
paulh_85 wrote:
Lengee wrote:Disgraceful behaviour by a disgraceful and unprincipled person.l

You really do have to be thick as a plank to think " no deal" is the correct course of action. :wave:



I fully expect him to have a deal to put to parliament when they start back in October

I agree i can see a transition to a Canada plus type deal

Which would work for the UK and the E.U. Time for pragmatism over idealism.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:11 pm

Personally I think there’s more to this than just Boris shutting parliament down for a month, the fact that it came out today that The Queen will address parliament on October 14th shows there’s more to it, she doesn’t tend to get involved in politics any more than accepting resignations and new PM’s.

She has the power to dissolve/disband the government if she has too and to be honest at the moment with how pathetically childish the MP’s are being there won’t be a government if we had a GE now and disbanding them would be a good idea

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:24 pm

snoopystorm wrote:Personally I think there’s more to this than just Boris shutting parliament down for a month, the fact that it came out today that The Queen will address parliament on October 14th shows there’s more to it, she doesn’t tend to get involved in politics any more than accepting resignations and new PM’s.

She has the power to dissolve/disband the government if she has too and to be honest at the moment with how pathetically childish the MP’s are being there won’t be a government if we had a GE now and disbanding them would be a good idea



Isn't the 14th Oct the queens speech which is normal practice when she spells out the governments intensions for this session of parliament? So not getting involved just doing her constitutional duty. :old:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:43 pm

Jock wrote:
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
Jock wrote:
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632


Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.

A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.


A fight between Internationalists and Little Englanders.
A fight between people living in the past and those who look to the future.
A fight between those who do not not believe in parliamentary democracy ( oh the irony) and those who do.

Time for interpretive dance Jock. It helps with flexibility. Who knows it may help get your head out your ass.

I’m no little Englander


I voted Brexit for future generations not myself
The country voted, democratically, to leave
I feel my PHD in interpretive dance is as far as I can take it, I’ll send my dissertation on the Hucklebuck over, if you’d like to read and critique it.


Congraulations. You know how to use Google.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:50 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum. :happy1: :happy1:


Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.

Sorry but the last bit is a lie
https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/
You can see papers from 2015 specifically stating that the government doesn't need to implement it. Just because every brochure didn't state it doesn't mean it's suddenly different.
Just because the government said they'd do it doesn't mean that they have to (as we all know through many years experience)



Everything is a lie regarding pro Brexit according to you ! :laughing6:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:51 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum. :happy1: :happy1:


Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf


So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6


Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY



Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.


Straight question. Deserves a straight answer. Yes I will accept it. Because now people will have at least some idea of the implications of Brexit. If after all this shit, if people vote to leave it will be disappointing but we will have to accept it. It appears to me the question must be final so should be remain or no deal. The only upside of leave is that it will strengthen the march towards independence for Wales - and I never thought I would ever say that. I just cannot accept being led by people like Johnson and Rees Mogg.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:54 pm

I am not sue what is worse- current football at CFC or the level of debate on here. The future is not rosy for this country whatever side you have chosen to be on - well done those that like division- I suppose it appeals to you.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:57 pm

Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum. :happy1: :happy1:


Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf


So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6


Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY



Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.


Straight question. Deserves a straight answer. Yes I will accept it. Because now people will have at least some idea of the implications of Brexit. If after all this shit, if people vote to leave it will be disappointing but we will have to accept it. It appears to me the question must be final so should be remain or no deal. The only upside of leave is that it will strengthen the march towards independence for Wales - and I never thought I would ever say that. I just cannot accept being led by people like Johnson and Rees Mogg.



Garauntee your in minority accepting this.. ..As for independence not in million years! Why Would anyone want plaid or WAG running wales? :o

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:58 pm

Deal or no deal, I just couldn't care less anymore, its more draining than watching the City. Just get the fcuk out once and for all!!..... Please.....i beg you! :banghead:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:17 pm

Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
Jock wrote:
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
Jock wrote:
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632


Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.

A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.


A fight between Internationalists and Little Englanders.
A fight between people living in the past and those who look to the future.
A fight between those who do not not believe in parliamentary democracy ( oh the irony) and those who do.

Time for interpretive dance Jock. It helps with flexibility. Who knows it may help get your head out your ass.

I’m no little Englander


I voted Brexit for future generations not myself
The country voted, democratically, to leave
I feel my PHD in interpretive dance is as far as I can take it, I’ll send my dissertation on the Hucklebuck over, if you’d like to read and critique it.


Congraulations. You know how to use Google.

What?

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:26 pm

Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum. :happy1: :happy1:


Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf


So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6


Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY



Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.


Straight question. Deserves a straight answer. Yes I will accept it. Because now people will have at least some idea of the implications of Brexit. If after all this shit, if people vote to leave it will be disappointing but we will have to accept it. It appears to me the question must be final so should be remain or no deal. The only upside of leave is that it will strengthen the march towards independence for Wales - and I never thought I would ever say that. I just cannot accept being led by people like Johnson and Rees Mogg.

Wales voted to leave the failing Euro Superstate.
March to independence ? You sound just like the retards who hang on Nicola Krankies every word in Scotland, it’s all about waving flags, marching and blaming the English. Nothing of substance whatsoever.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:32 pm

Nothing of substance from any side.Whoever carries the day it won't be the politicians that live with the consequences.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:05 pm

All those MPs fighting against brexit need to be listed when the next general election comes around,the electorate can then either back them or sack them

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:14 pm

This Country :roll:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:00 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum. :happy1: :happy1:


Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Not the governments fault you couldn’t be arsed to research what you were voting on.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-7212.pdf


So I take it you researched that prior to the referendum, or is this something you have dug up since, due to you not liking the result of the referendum. I watched numerous debates on TV, had numerous discussions on forums and in pubs etc., and not once did I hear the phrase "advisory". I am sure you can go back even on this forum and see all the discussions prior to the referendum. I can guarantee you will not find anyone stating that the vote was non binding. Funny how all the remainers never mentioned it before the vote, but have mentioned it almost daily since.

Here's the leader of the brexit party saying that it was advisory
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
A week before the vote in the financial times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 91774e27f1
Another one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... xit-2016-6


Just watched the leader of the Brexit party saying it was advisory in his discussion with Gina Miller in Nov 2016. As I said, we heard this plenty of times since the referendum. Why did we not hear it prior to the referendum which was way before this discussion took place?

There's literally 2 examples there saying it's advisory, in fact I've been so nice as to find a video for you as well
https://youtu.be/llcC7vNXHQY



Ok answer simple question what do we do if have another vote and we still say leave will you still be dishing out all these quotes ect ect saying why Brexit is not a true democratic decision? Wont hold my breath because everytime this question is asked not one of you remainers answer in honest straight way.


Straight question. Deserves a straight answer. Yes I will accept it. Because now people will have at least some idea of the implications of Brexit. If after all this shit, if people vote to leave it will be disappointing but we will have to accept it. It appears to me the question must be final so should be remain or no deal. The only upside of leave is that it will strengthen the march towards independence for Wales - and I never thought I would ever say that. I just cannot accept being led by people like Johnson and Rees Mogg.



Garauntee your in minority accepting this.. ..As for independence not in million years! Why Would anyone want plaid or WAG running wales? :o


No I’m the same. If we’re happy to shoot ourselves directly in the face knowing the outcome isn’t going to be beneficial to us then I’ll have to accept it. Ideally I wouldn’t have to worry about Plaid as I’d be getting out of here

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:02 pm

Ninianman wrote:All those MPs fighting against brexit need to be listed when the next general election comes around,the electorate can then either back them or sack them


That is generally what a general election consists of yes

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:09 pm

The Speaker - Not happy can't have his say ...

Most MP's - Happy with more time off and more ££££££ in their pockets ;)

This Country :roll:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:15 pm

BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:
Ninianman wrote:All those MPs fighting against brexit need to be listed when the next general election comes around,the electorate can then either back them or sack them


That is generally what a general election consists of yes

Okay dumkoff i will spell it out for you,all those traitors will get their come uppence come the day

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:45 pm

BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:
Ninianman wrote:All those MPs fighting against brexit need to be listed when the next general election comes around,the electorate can then either back them or sack them


That is generally what a general election consists of yes


If the vote went against them they wouldn't accept it anyway