Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:42 pm
2blue2handle wrote:I think it's pretty clear Patterson was a desperate attempt because he recruited poorly over last summer upfront. I think anyone who watched games could see he isn't and never will be a striker, yes he got goals but overall the team suffered, it a as awful and embarrassing at times.
Then you have to ask the question if Patterson was this ultimate striker you seem to think he is why didn't he stick with him.
I get some people don't rate Zohore and I can understand most people's logic but unless desperate again Patterson should never be seen upfront again.
I doubt Zohore is on 16k a week otherwise surely one of the lower earners in the first 11
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:43 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:44 pm
Milkybarkid wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Blue Legend wrote:I believe there is a decent striker there waiting to come out. Warnock's tactics of lumping the ball forward to a big man doesn't suit Zahore at all. Ken needs a move to further his career, he will be a better striker for WBA.
At least we have Madine to rely onbecause 8m wont get us a better striker than Zahore these days.
Don't get it. Calum Paterson had a go up front and scored 10, assisted 5. If you're good enough, you'll score goals. No excuses for Ken.
I don’t disagree with you just thought he had the potential Calum is technically one of the worst players I have seen but love his effort and goals scored Football is such a strange game
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:45 pm
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Quick google search gets me 2 actual Warnock quotes criticizing Ken's laziness.
"He’s been a little bit lazy since I’ve been at the club but, at half-time the other night, he showed what he could do," said Warnock after the home defeat to Barnsley in his debut campaign.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... f-15522570
"He’s got to do better in training every day. He’s got to get the hunger back that he’s had.
"There’s only one person who can do that. We can only do so much.
"It’s like the saying of taking a horse to water. "He’s in the running [for Burnley]," he continued. "He’s in the 18, but he’s got to do more in training."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/th ... ar-BBNEKT2
Game, set and match mate.
I remember reading the criticism of him by Warnock as well. It’s says a lot when the manager had to come out publicly to say these things and try to motivate him and when a converted right back was constantly picked before him.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:47 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:48 pm
2blue2handle wrote:Are these on football manager or something, seems unlikely.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:49 pm
paulh_85 wrote:sounds like they were the premier league wages... they would have come down after relegation.
No way we are paying smithies 30k a week in the championship
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:20 pm
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Quick google search gets me 2 actual Warnock quotes criticizing Ken's laziness.
"He’s been a little bit lazy since I’ve been at the club but, at half-time the other night, he showed what he could do," said Warnock after the home defeat to Barnsley in his debut campaign.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... f-15522570
"He’s got to do better in training every day. He’s got to get the hunger back that he’s had.
"There’s only one person who can do that. We can only do so much.
"It’s like the saying of taking a horse to water. "He’s in the running [for Burnley]," he continued. "He’s in the 18, but he’s got to do more in training."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/th ... ar-BBNEKT2
Game, set and match mate.
I remember reading the criticism of him by Warnock as well. It’s says a lot when the manager had to come out publicly to say these things and try to motivate him and when a converted right back was constantly picked before him.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:23 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Quick google search gets me 2 actual Warnock quotes criticizing Ken's laziness.
"He’s been a little bit lazy since I’ve been at the club but, at half-time the other night, he showed what he could do," said Warnock after the home defeat to Barnsley in his debut campaign.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... f-15522570
"He’s got to do better in training every day. He’s got to get the hunger back that he’s had.
"There’s only one person who can do that. We can only do so much.
"It’s like the saying of taking a horse to water. "He’s in the running [for Burnley]," he continued. "He’s in the 18, but he’s got to do more in training."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/th ... ar-BBNEKT2
Game, set and match mate.
I remember reading the criticism of him by Warnock as well. It’s says a lot when the manager had to come out publicly to say these things and try to motivate him and when a converted right back was constantly picked before him.
Not sure if a forum is the right place for Deep Blue. It is for opinions, and just because we do not all share his opinion does not mean we are diabolical. I am not particularly gutted to see a striker who has averaged 3 goals a year throughout his carreer move to another club. He may come good again, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for another golden period. Also, I thought it was fairly well documented that Warnock has criticised his lack of effort and attitude from time to time, so again is somebody on here really diabolical just because they have posted what has been widely reported in the past.
A lot will depend on who his replacement is, and although Zohore continues to disappoint me, I would find it hard to argue with those who say he is probably the best striker we have here at the moment. Seems like good business though, £8m for a striker who is not very good in the air and does not score goals. I just think there is probably a decent player in there somewhere, but how much longer should we wait for him to prove that the golden spell of a few years back was not a flash in the pan.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:24 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Quick google search gets me 2 actual Warnock quotes criticizing Ken's laziness.
"He’s been a little bit lazy since I’ve been at the club but, at half-time the other night, he showed what he could do," said Warnock after the home defeat to Barnsley in his debut campaign.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... f-15522570
"He’s got to do better in training every day. He’s got to get the hunger back that he’s had.
"There’s only one person who can do that. We can only do so much.
"It’s like the saying of taking a horse to water. "He’s in the running [for Burnley]," he continued. "He’s in the 18, but he’s got to do more in training."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/th ... ar-BBNEKT2
Game, set and match mate.
I remember reading the criticism of him by Warnock as well. It’s says a lot when the manager had to come out publicly to say these things and try to motivate him and when a converted right back was constantly picked before him.
Not sure if a forum is the right place for Deep Blue. It is for opinions, and just because we do not all share his opinion does not mean we are diabolical. I am not particularly gutted to see a striker who has averaged 3 goals a year throughout his carreer move to another club. He may come good again, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for another golden period. Also, I thought it was fairly well documented that Warnock has criticised his lack of effort and attitude from time to time, so again is somebody on here really diabolical just because they have posted what has been widely reported in the past.
A lot will depend on who his replacement is, and although Zohore continues to disappoint me, I would find it hard to argue with those who say he is probably the best striker we have here at the moment. Seems like good business though, £8m for a striker who is not very good in the air and does not score goals. I just think there is probably a decent player in there somewhere, but how much longer should we wait for him to prove that the golden spell of a few years back was not a flash in the pan.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:33 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:38 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:TAP_Sheep wrote:Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Totally disagree. How many times has Warnock himself said Ken hasn't been trying and needed a kick up the arse? The guy has had half a good season for us which ended 2 years ago. We've been waiting ever since for him to finally come good. It just isn't happening with us.
Ken wouldn't be going unless Warnock was fine with it, so if he goes and for the reported £8m, it's fantastic business for a player we signed for £360k and has a record of 24 goals in 101 appearances. He does bring something to the table, but £8m for a player who simply opens up space sometimes is a huge fee, for a player who's job is supposed to be scoring goals.
I think you forget we stuck a right back up top in the promotion season and he banged in 10 goals and got 5 assists in the process while Ken wasn't bothering in training again.
But that’s not true? Warnock has never once said Zohore wasn’t pulling his weight or training well.
This is the thing that annoys me with fans is that they reword everything.
Warnocks criticism with Zohore was he wasn’t ‘aggressive’ or ‘angry’ enough, he said he was disappointed that someone to big and strong doesn’t have an aggressive side to him. That’s not somebody not training well, that’s just somebody who doesn’t naturally play the way Warnock typically likes from his target men, I.E a bit dirty, pulling shirt, roughing up the Cb’s. Zohore wasn’t brought up with that sort of Championship or even “English” style of football, so it’s understandable why he struggled to adopt it.
Don’t get it twisted with him ‘not being assed’ because that’s never been the case.
Quick google search gets me 2 actual Warnock quotes criticizing Ken's laziness.
"He’s been a little bit lazy since I’ve been at the club but, at half-time the other night, he showed what he could do," said Warnock after the home defeat to Barnsley in his debut campaign.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... f-15522570
"He’s got to do better in training every day. He’s got to get the hunger back that he’s had.
"There’s only one person who can do that. We can only do so much.
"It’s like the saying of taking a horse to water. "He’s in the running [for Burnley]," he continued. "He’s in the 18, but he’s got to do more in training."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/th ... ar-BBNEKT2
Game, set and match mate.
I remember reading the criticism of him by Warnock as well. It’s says a lot when the manager had to come out publicly to say these things and try to motivate him and when a converted right back was constantly picked before him.
Not sure if a forum is the right place for Deep Blue. It is for opinions, and just because we do not all share his opinion does not mean we are diabolical. I am not particularly gutted to see a striker who has averaged 3 goals a year throughout his carreer move to another club. He may come good again, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for another golden period. Also, I thought it was fairly well documented that Warnock has criticised his lack of effort and attitude from time to time, so again is somebody on here really diabolical just because they have posted what has been widely reported in the past.
A lot will depend on who his replacement is, and although Zohore continues to disappoint me, I would find it hard to argue with those who say he is probably the best striker we have here at the moment. Seems like good business though, £8m for a striker who is not very good in the air and does not score goals. I just think there is probably a decent player in there somewhere, but how much longer should we wait for him to prove that the golden spell of a few years back was not a flash in the pan.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:03 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:37 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:39 pm
Alston&Evans wrote:Charlie Austin anyone? Might be worth a punt either loan or permanent. Reports say he’s unhappy at Southampton?
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:50 pm
paulh_85 wrote:this thread just about sums up how shit our fans are really.
worst fans in the country
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:51 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:00 pm
Sand Martin wrote:paulh_85 wrote:this thread just about sums up how shit our fans are really.
worst fans in the country
What are you on about???
For getting peed off countless times by a donkey who cannot put a shift in.
Get stuffed
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:00 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:11 pm
StuK147 wrote:Personally I think Ken and a lot of other players struggle to find their feet and build any confidence with the style of play Warnock implements. Alternatively players like Patterson or Morrison seem to shine with his style.
I think in a possession based team Ken would thrive. Good luck to the lad if he does go, although I'm dissapointed he never lived up to his promise with us.
I think Danny Ward still has a lot to give. He Head a great start to the season against some tough opposition at the start of last season. Put him up against these championship teams and I fancy him to have a good season this Year.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:13 pm
Escott1927 wrote:StuK147 wrote:Personally I think Ken and a lot of other players struggle to find their feet and build any confidence with the style of play Warnock implements. Alternatively players like Patterson or Morrison seem to shine with his style.
I think in a possession based team Ken would thrive. Good luck to the lad if he does go, although I'm dissapointed he never lived up to his promise with us.
I think Danny Ward still has a lot to give. He Head a great start to the season against some tough opposition at the start of last season. Put him up against these championship teams and I fancy him to have a good season this Year.
We can’t rely on ward as our main striker. Although he’s better in the air and his work rate is higher than zohores, Ward is never too far away from an injury. If zohore is going we need to replace him with someone better.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:16 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:26 pm
Alston&Evans wrote:Charlie Austin anyone? Might be worth a punt either loan or permanent. Reports say he’s unhappy at Southampton?
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:36 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:38 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:53 pm
Deep Blue FC wrote:This forum makes me sick sometimes. He’s done so much for this club it’s diabolical how you guys are practically celebrating his departure. The money isn’t unreasonable but put that aside for one second while I express how disgusted I am in your attitudes towards someone who always gives 100% yet constantly gets criticised for every mistake he makes. He is our best striker at the club at the moment. He offers us SO much even when he’s not scoring. He wasn’t playing when Trollope was in charge, and we were in a relegation mess. When Warnock takes over results are a little better, but then when he dropped Lambert & Pilkington and started playing Zohore our results were Ridiculously better. Ken not only creates space and openings for himself and others to play into, he’s a great passer of the ball and in my opinion the wingers play better with him in the team.
Sort your attitudes out for crying out loud.
Final point. He’s not even gone yet, And in fact this is no different to Liverpool wanting Etheridge when Warnock said no bids had been made. This is pure speculation and Zohore is on the pre season tour getting ready for a season as a Bluebird, and you’re all celebrating his departure. It’s pathetic.
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:59 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:14 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:33 pm
Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:37 pm
joeywills98 wrote:Linked with Matt Derbyshire now