“ Warnock has to take responsibility “

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

I agree. Wingbacks do not work for us at home, only away where we sit back and play on the break. Our defence better without Morrison, our midfield (and Niasse) better with Reid. The only changes were like for like, not in formation. Best player Ralls was subbed!

His mind is on other matters old Willie his mate starti g to spill the beans !!

Colin can’t concentrate on football with tracky bottoms round his ankles !

So you’ve spent time thinking about an old man with his trousers around his ankles... and another called Willie..

And then posted it.

We didn’t just lose , we were ripped apart , humiliated in our own ground in front of our fans.
It was Watford we played and not Liverpool or Man City,
Warnock lost this game before the game kicked off , paid them far too much respect .

I've just googled it and Russel Slade is available . League 2 outfit Grimsby Town sacked him ages ago , so maybe there's your answer ? If not there are loads of similar people who'd take the job if we want someone who never does anything unexpected.

Now the supporters have started walking out , booing the team and demanding the head of our most successful manager, we might as well start seeing how much we can get for our better players and sending back the loan players if possible to save wages.

No need to build those training facilities now either, or extending the stadium. Someone said that Sir Niel can get another job ,which he could , or at his age he could just walk out and retire tomorrow - you could hardly blame him and perhaps he will.
Let's face it, no one could live up to the expectations expressed here and the man has made a mistake so obviously we must turn our backs on him and the probability that he'd have brought us through .

It's all very well bringing us from the foot of the Championship into the worlds best league on a shoestring budget, but misjudging the form of some players one day is not to be tolerated and we must get him for that.

https://youtu.be/94bdMSCdw20

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

and you called it....waw

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

and you called it....waw

I always find it odd how some posters 'delight' in seeing City lose...

It was a bad day at the office, we've had them before and we'll recover (hopefully on Tuesday)

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

and you called it....waw

I did indeed. Didn't think it would be as bad as it was though!

Give me the job. Hahaha.

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

and you called it....waw

I always find it odd how some posters 'delight' in seeing City lose...

It was a bad day at the office, we've had them before and we'll recover (hopefully on Tuesday)

Delight in seeing us lose?! Wtf you on? I most definitely didn't enjoy that!! Just stating my observations. The same as many others!

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

and you called it....waw

I did indeed. Didn't think it would be as bad as it was though!

Give me the job. Hahaha.

thing is the vast majority of neutral pundits and neutral fans also called it no matter what 11 he picked .
and a general consensous of the above also predicted us to be bottom.
we are not bottom because NW and his team have conjured up7 wins and 4 draws..and not managed once to pick the 11 i would have picked or played the tactics i would have.
reading this board ,im not alone either, everyones a manager and win , draw or lose you have pple on here asking why isnt soand so playing.. and often suggested tactics..

we have a top top manager and i will be critical when we are lossing to clubs with worse squads than ours which aint happening this season.

We didn’t just lose , we were ripped apart , humiliated in our own ground in front of our fans.
It was Watford we played and not Liverpool or Man City,
Warnock lost this game before the game kicked off , paid them far too much respect .

yes it was Watford. and exactly how many of our players would be in their team?

sounds to me like lots of our fans think we should roll some teams over just because they are traditionally small clubs

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

and you called it....waw

I always find it odd how some posters 'delight' in seeing City lose...

It was a bad day at the office, we've had them before and we'll recover (hopefully on Tuesday)

Delight in seeing us lose?! Wtf you on? I most definitely didn't enjoy that!! Just stating my observations. The same as many others!

But there's a time and a place for constructive criticism ,if that's what it is, Jimmy.
Sven said it more concisely than I did, but this is the time to close ranks, not to tear our own to bits in public.
If the clusterfuck which happened was due to incorrect selection I expect the manager has worked that out for himself , but perhaps there were reasons that he took these decisions.
If we attack the man who's brought us here like this it can only make things worse and possibly sink the ship for good.
If he were to take this very unfair and ungrateful scapegoating to heart and walk away,( which he could certainly afford to), then I think that'd be it for us in this league.

We didn’t just lose , we were ripped apart , humiliated in our own ground in front of our fans.
It was Watford we played and not Liverpool or Man City,
Warnock lost this game before the game kicked off , paid them far too much respect .

yes it was Watford. and exactly how many of our players would be in their team?

sounds to me like lots of our fans think we should roll some teams over just because they are traditionally small clubs

I think you’re missing the point. People aren’t annoyed because they expected a win last night, i think it’s mainly because we were never in it and due to the selection, the team didn’t even have a fighting chance. If he’d picked the best team and we’d still lost then fair enough, but he made an already difficult game 10x harder just by tinkering with a winning formula. And to lose 5-1 at home to any team is unacceptable.

it does seem strange to change a system that was working, and winning points.

by all accounts we should have had a penalty, which if we scored would have changed the complexion of the game and would have given us something to hold on to.

but in the end we were well beaten, and in chasing the game, we defended a high line which they exploited time after time.

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

and you called it....waw

I always find it odd how some posters 'delight' in seeing City lose...

It was a bad day at the office, we've had them before and we'll recover (hopefully on Tuesday)

Delight in seeing us lose?! Wtf you on? I most definitely didn't enjoy that!! Just stating my observations. The same as many others!

But there's a time and a place for constructive criticism ,if that's what it is, Jimmy.
Sven said it more concisely than I did, but this is the time to close ranks, not to tear our own to bits in public.
If the clusterfuck which happened was due to incorrect selection I expect the manager has worked that out for himself , but perhaps there were reasons that he took these decisions.
If we attack the man who's brought us here like this it can only make things worse and possibly sink the ship for good.
If he were to take this very unfair and ungrateful scapegoating to heart and walk away,( which he could certainly afford to), then I think that'd be it for us in this league.

I'm sorry. I thought a football message board was the place for talking about football. My bad sir Jimmy. Doh...

100 percent agree. And I called it when I saw the team. Gunnars, Reid, Pelts. They'd all given us a good shape.

Watford strength...their midfield. So we drop our midfield nullifiers. Gunnars to break it up. And Reid to stretch them.

Basically dropped Reid to squeeze in an extra centre back. We said to them come at us. So angry. We were the home team FFS!

Arter had a mare, Niasse no support (Reid), Paterson so wound up he wanted to kill someone, Bacuna not a RB, bad day at the office for a lot of them!

But... Just need all the teams around us to lose also. No change then. Watford are a good side.

I'm just hoping the 3 above were rested for Tuesday? But I can't see how Everton would be seen as more winnable than Watford?!

and you called it....waw

I did indeed. Didn't think it would be as bad as it was though!

Give me the job. Hahaha.

thing is the vast majority of neutral pundits and neutral fans also called it no matter what 11 he picked .
and a general consensous of the above also predicted us to be bottom.
we are not bottom because NW and his team have conjured up7 wins and 4 draws..and not managed once to pick the 11 i would have picked or played the tactics i would have.
reading this board ,im not alone either, everyones a manager and win , draw or lose you have pple on here asking why isnt soand so playing.. and often suggested tactics..

we have a top top manager and i will be critical when we are lossing to clubs with worse squads than ours which aint happening this season.

Very true. First time I've actually criticised Warnock. But that was woeful and obvious last night. I'm just hoping that he has 'rested' some players for a big one on tuesday.

You make a great point about beating teams around us. And I said in another post let's just hope Burnley, Soton, and Newcastle join us and Fulham in losing. No change then. I don't think he loss will affect our squad. Others haven't. Onwards and upwards and I'll echo my point a very bad day at the office! But they know that!

Thank you for talking about the football. Not chastising me for doing so...

Why does Warnock pick Manga at fullback he will never be a fullback as long as he has a hole on his arse. Lee Peltier or Cameron Come would be better options. gunnerson has to come back in immediately. Hopefully Camarasa will be fit and available for the rest of the season. Must fit Reid into the team. Murphy is being seen as a total waste of money. He brings nothing to the team. End of my rant after watching last night's shit display.

Need to stop lumping the ball and start playing football. We were passed of the park last night. Do we have the players to play this way and I must raise the point. Do we have the management and coaches who are able to play passing football.I don't think so.

This is a terrible result. The scoreline makes that obvious.

Going into this we had won two in a row, yet Warnock drops Reid and Gunnarsson - arguably our best players from those games.

He seemed desperate to put Morrison in tonight, fit or not, when Bamba and Manga had a good partnership recently.

I saw someone post before the match something like this - “Whatever the result, Warnock will still be one of our best ever managers.” Sorry, I don’t see the logic in that. He does not get a free pass.

There is one man who is mostly responsible for tonight and it’s the manager for his team selection.

Hopefully he sees sense in time for Everton on Tuesday.

How much more proof do people on here need,particularly Warnock's groupies that he will never except responsibility for bad performances by his team,he will never take responsibility for his disastrous team selection,tactics and his dreadful use of substitutes,also I was told by more than one person about the very heated exchange between Warnock and Bamba,does anybody on here know anything about this?

i think some people on here get carried away with criticism. bearing in mind the outstanding job warnock has done here, i am far more forgiving with my criticism than if the manager didnt have the track record.

it's one thing bullshitting about tactics from your armchair, quite another taking on the PL with the lowest, if not one of the lowest, budgets in the league and putting us within a decent shout of staying up with almost 10 games to go.

Also, what’s happened to Murphy? He’s a shadow of the player he was at the start of the season, his confidence is on the floor

He was class literally one game ago.

Doubt it seeing as “literally one game ago” was Southampton and he didn’t even play

We didn’t just lose , we were ripped apart , humiliated in our own ground in front of our fans.
It was Watford we played and not Liverpool or Man City,
Warnock lost this game before the game kicked off , paid them far too much respect .

yes it was Watford. and exactly how many of our players would be in their team?

sounds to me like lots of our fans think we should roll some teams over just because they are traditionally small clubs

I think you’re missing the point. People aren’t annoyed because they expected a win last night, i think it’s mainly because we were never in it and due to the selection, the team didn’t even have a fighting chance. If he’d picked the best team and we’d still lost then fair enough, but he made an already difficult game 10x harder just by tinkering with a winning formula. And to lose 5-1 at home to any team is unacceptable.

no im not, we were 1 nil down at half time had more shots on target the same amount of corners. a cast iron penalty not given at 1 nil and possibly they should have had 10 men in 2nd half..we were in it ,admittedly after their breakaway 2nd goal we were all at sea. but that's football for you..another night we score the pen, stick a load on 10 man Watford and their fans blame Garcia.
5 is a big number and fills eyes....but ive seen us play better and lose and play much worse and win..
all this nonsense about picking YOUR idea of the best team...the coaching staff spend hours looking at how to try and beat a better team.. what personnel can be used best to counter act major threats. what tactics to apply etc..


PEOPLE btw...the majority get that we are up against it, and have been from day 1.

Also, what’s happened to Murphy? He’s a shadow of the player he was at the start of the season, his confidence is on the floor

He was class literally one game ago.

Doubt it seeing as “literally one game ago” was Southampton and he didn’t even play

Bournemouth game. Before the Watford game that was one game ago. He was class.

I’m not sure if it was different fans at the Watford game. Didn’t seem behind the team like they have lately.