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Thursday 7th February 2019


Nantes demand Emiliano Sala transfer money from Cardiff.

Cardiff believe they should only start making payments once the salvage operation and investigation into the crash are complete
Emiliano Sala went missing in a plane that has been found on the seabed in the Channel.



French football club Nantes have started legal action against Cardiff City, asking for the first payment in the £15m deal to buy Emiliano Sala, Sky sources say.

The French club is demanding that the instalment, understood to be more than £5m, is transferred to them immediately.

As of 10am’s update SSN have approached both Cardiff and Nantes respectively for comments over this issue

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Thursday 7th February 2019


Nantes demand Emiliano Sala transfer money from Cardiff.

Cardiff believe they should only start making payments once the salvage operation and investigation into the crash are complete
Emiliano Sala went missing in a plane that has been found on the seabed in the Channel.



French football club Nantes have started legal action against Cardiff City, asking for the first payment in the £15m deal to buy Emiliano Sala, Sky sources say.

The French club is demanding that the instalment, understood to be more than £5m, is transferred to them immediately.

wasnt the 1st instalment sent and then cancelled ?
if so , that is the reason Nantes are concerned.

on the face of it,he was our player therefore not covered by any insurance Nantes might have , i dont get it.
we pay them then we claim insurance would be how you would imagine it works.
all a bit strange tbh

No because if we paid out and the insurance people said we shouldn't have they'd refuse the claim . I keep saying that it's a complicated legal matter and not capable of a quick resolution.
I give up on trying to explain it, but I wonder whether this will effect people's enthusiasm for the team wearing Nantes shirts, renaming our stadium after them and other mad stuff ?

Thats pretty much as I see it. If Sala had got up that saturday morning and arranged his own independant flight with the people at CWA then things would be much clearer.

The problem is with it being arranged through the Agent and with apparently no payment it will inevitably be considered as part of the agants remuniration. He was instructed by Nantes and consequently that may become an issue for them. Its no doubt for the legal teams down the line.

By the way dont take any insurance payment as a given from any of the insurers involved in this tragedy. The private flight nonsence wont stand scrutiny, this was a commercial operation, end of. Insurers could well walk away on the basis of the improperly held licence.

Quite, and no doubt various parties will suggest that Cardiff City were negligent in one way or another, or failed in its duty of care to its employee.
They're going to be one of the main targets simply because they've got assets and other insurances which make them financially worth going after.
Glad that someone can grasp that it's not the same as an overdue gas bill !

Brace yourselfs all the lawyers are coming out of the woodwork

Classless from Nantes

I think it is proper to delay payment until some more facts are uncovered.

We know the agent is involved in booking the flight. If we pay Nante, who then pay the Agent, then perhaps we lose leverage later over a claim against the Agent ?

Unfortunately this is a very unusual tradgedy, and Nante will simply have to wait a little while longer whilst more facts are uncovered. I doubt they would pay as as swiftly if roles were reversed.

The fact that Nantes are placing demands at the same time as a body on the plane is recovered is also really disrespectful, and they are losing a lot of goodwill.

Sir Jimmy, understand what you're saying but in law there cannot be a duty of care when it is refused.

But totally agree, this is going to get messy and once again the lawyers will be the ones taking it in.

PS. Classless by Nantes at least Bordeaux came out and denied they had demanded their slice .

I think it is proper to delay payment until some more facts are uncovered.

We know the agent is involved in booking the flight. If we pay Nante, who then pay the Agent, then perhaps we lose leverage later over a claim against the Agent ?

Unfortunately this is a very unusual tradgedy, and Nante will simply have to wait a little while longer whilst more facts are uncovered. I doubt they would pay as as swiftly if roles were reversed.

The fact that Nantes are placing demands at the same time as a body on the plane is recovered is also really disrespectful, and they are losing a lot of goodwill.

I think Nantes instructed the agent but the issue is linking the flight to the deal. If was separately contracted then its better for Nantes. If its not being paid for separately then I think its harder to part it from the deal.

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Thursday 7th February 2019


Nantes demand Emiliano Sala transfer money from Cardiff.

Cardiff believe they should only start making payments once the salvage operation and investigation into the crash are complete
Emiliano Sala went missing in a plane that has been found on the seabed in the Channel.



French football club Nantes have started legal action against Cardiff City, asking for the first payment in the £15m deal to buy Emiliano Sala, Sky sources say.

The French club is demanding that the instalment, understood to be more than £5m, is transferred to them immediately.

wasnt the 1st instalment sent and then cancelled ?
if so , that is the reason Nantes are concerned.

on the face of it,he was our player therefore not covered by any insurance Nantes might have , i dont get it.
we pay them then we claim insurance would be how you would imagine it works.
all a bit strange tbh

No because if we paid out and the insurance people said we shouldn't have they'd refuse the claim . I keep saying that it's a complicated legal matter and not capable of a quick resolution.
I give up on trying to explain it, but I wonder whether this will effect people's enthusiasm for the team wearing Nantes shirts, renaming our stadium after them and other mad stuff ?

Thats pretty much as I see it. If Sala had got up that saturday morning and arranged his own independant flight with the people at CWA then things would be much clearer.

The problem is with it being arranged through the Agent and with apparently no payment it will inevitably be considered as part of the agants remuniration. He was instructed by Nantes and consequently that may become an issue for them. Its no doubt for the legal teams down the line.

By the way dont take any insurance payment as a given from any of the insurers involved in this tragedy. The private flight nonsence wont stand scrutiny, this was a commercial operation, end of. Insurers could well walk away on the basis of the improperly held licence.

the private flight nonsense wont stand up..
why wont it when all parties have either said it was a favour or had nothing to do with them .sorry but saying end of is not proof any more than that idiot talking about gas bills. what you think is not necessarily what can be proved.

Sir Jimmy, understand what you're saying but in law there cannot be a duty of care when it is refused.

But totally agree, this is going to get messy and once again the lawyers will be the ones taking it in.

PS. Classless by Nantes at least Bordeaux came out and denied they had demanded their slice .

In principle you're right of course, but that won't stop anyone arguing either that it wasn't refused , or shifting it by suggesting - off the top of my head - that they had a duty of care to check out the bone fides , licensing of pilots and insurance of an air carrier they regularly employed,( since there's evidence that they'd flown the manager back and forth numerous times) . It would run along the lines that this was a duty of care owed to all employees which they failed in routinely , and that the footballer was entitled to assume that the club must have done all this when he agreed to fly with them.

Arrant bollocks I know , but it's the sort of kite which is sometimes worth flying. Even if it doesn't get to a hearing it would up the ante a bit and make the football club perhaps more amenable to avoid the possibility of losing the argument by settling.

As I said, that's straight off the top of my head, and I'm sure I'd come up with much better ploys if I were getting paid.
A lot of people here understandably look at the prima face facts and laws and think they'll be applied in a straightforward way, but in fact - as you know - people will be briefed who are quite good at bending almost anything in seven directions until whatever the difficulty might be points away from their clients !
This'll be Carter Ruck territory, and I can we'll see it spreading to several other jurisdictions . Remember that the plane is registered to Southern , and so it's very arguable that the U.S courts have jurisdiction to hear suits for stuff like negligent homicide. Of course anyone looking for money will be considering that purely because of the massive damages they hand out.

As you and I have pointed out, there are too many potential parties to settle it quickly, and this is bound to become a long running litigation fest .

I think it is fair to say that Sala wouldn’t have booked that same flight by himself. He acted on trust and went on a flight paid by his agent. Even though he had severe doubts of the condition of the plane, I think we can assume that it was because it was someone the Agent he ok’ed, that Sala put himself in that position. I don’t know if that paying and recommending something makes the Agent responsible for a duty of care, but it’s certainly got to be close to it.

If that same agent wants his cut in the sale of the player from Nantes as well as from City, then I think the board are doing the right thing withholding payments until any responsibilities become clearer.

Classless from Nantes

Luke, City I don't think should of put it out as well, both clubs should for now have kept this private don't you think.

Classless from Nantes

Luke, City I don't think should of put it out as well, both clubs should for now have kept this private don't you think.

Did the club put it out though ? I thought I'd seen it being circulated in the French press/social media well before the club confirmed it or have I got it wrong ?

Whoever it was they were premature in most reasonable people's minds.

Classless from Nantes

Luke, City I don't think should of put it out as well, both clubs should for now have kept this private don't you think.

Did the club put it out though ? I thought I'd seen it being circulated in the French press/social media well before the club confirmed it or have I got it wrong ?

Whoever it was they were premature in most reasonable people's minds.

Someone from the club told the BBC and Media Wales, as I spoke to one of the reporters this week.

For Nantes should of def waited and City should of kept it under wraps for now.

You are right though , it should of been kept from peoples minds.

Classless from Nantes

Luke, City I don't think should of put it out as well, both clubs should for now have kept this private don't you think.

Did the club put it out though ? I thought I'd seen it being circulated in the French press/social media well before the club confirmed it or have I got it wrong ?

Whoever it was they were premature in most reasonable people's minds.

Someone from the club told the BBC and Media Wales, as I spoke to one of the reporters this week.

For Nantes should of def waited and City should of kept it under wraps for now.

You are right though , it should of been kept from peoples minds.

Thanks, it's pretty obscene that Nantes should have asked whilst the search (albeit the privately funded one) was still ongoing.

I don't think anybody would have complained too much about them asking for the money next week, for instance, now that the body has been found.

We haven't heard the last of this as there are so many unanswered questions on liability but we also know that Nantes were selling Sala as they needed the money so I guess that's the real push here. We may end up having to pay up and then claim it back should the legal route throw up any issues.

Classless from Nantes

Luke, City I don't think should of put it out as well, both clubs should for now have kept this private don't you think.

Did the club put it out though ? I thought I'd seen it being circulated in the French press/social media well before the club confirmed it or have I got it wrong ?

Whoever it was they were premature in most reasonable people's minds.

Someone from the club told the BBC and Media Wales, as I spoke to one of the reporters this week.

For Nantes should of def waited and City should of kept it under wraps for now.

You are right though , it should of been kept from peoples minds.

Thanks, it's pretty obscene that Nantes should have asked whilst the search (albeit the privately funded one) was still ongoing.

I don't think anybody would have complained too much about them asking for the money next week, for instance, now that the body has been found.

We haven't heard the last of this as there are so many unanswered questions on liability but we also know that Nantes were selling Sala as they needed the money so I guess that's the real push here. We may end up having to pay up and then claim it back should the legal route throw up any issues.

Tim, I agree with you on all accounts it will get messy, but now was not the time.