Sala agent just wanted to make lots of money

It is mate. Its called statistics. If you want to draw a statistic around crashes, you do that. Cars have the highest rating. Of you want to draw a line around where most people die in a crash, its likely to be a train or a plain. If looking at where do most people get killed in a traffic crash. You are looking at a bus. You can use stats every way you want if you leave out "median"
And i know you know what median mean And thats science..

You aren’t making any sense.

Statistics is simply the vessel to display facts to draw simple conclusions. “How many” is not a very telling statistic if safety is what you are looking at due to the variables you mentioned.

So if we want a statistic to show safety you look at one with almost no variables at all, which is an accident “rate”. So this plane was much safer than a car. Remember it was you that brought up the safety record of the aircraft, not me.

The safety record of the aircraft model in question is exceptional in comparison to the types of transport used every day by every single one of our players.

Well, if you are half as educated as you pretended to be in the past, you would understand the meaning of a scientific median and use if statitics as an argument.. Variables is not very relevant is it, ironically enough when you bring in more variables than needed ? if 100k single piston flights resolve in 2,4% failure, and 100k 737 boing resolve in 00,1% failure. Witch one do you gamble on? And we all know you like to gamble!

Exactly.

I posted about his agent a couple of weeks ago when it was is gonna sign or isnt he? I researched his agent and hes a complete scum bag. It was plain to see right from the off!!!! Google him or ask the makems what he's like.
Problem is theres so much money and gread in football nowadays this type of business is widespread and the norm.
Its gone now anyway. Forget it, lets just get right behind the team and manager and become one whole unit focused on staying up

Well, if you are half as educated as you pretended to be in the past, you would understand the meaning of a scientific median and use if statitics as an argument.. Variables is not very relevant is it, ironically enough when you bring in more variables than needed ? if 100k single piston flights resolve in 2,4% failure, and 100k 737 boing resolve in 00,1% failure. Witch one do you gamble on? And we all know you like to gamble!

Again no idea what you are talking about regarding your first and last bit, sounds like your paranoia getting the better of you again?

As for your middle bit, you aren’t making sense again. There was no Boeing 737 going from Nantes to Cardiff, which is what Sala said was a problem for him regarding scheduling as he wanted to make it back easily for training next day. So private chartered plane was the obvious answer, something that players and managers use on a regular basis and have done for decades and will continue to do so.

Are you suggesting clubs are being unduly reckless by having a team bus instead of flying everywhere by jet? Choosing a mode of transport with 17 in 100,000 journeys ending in serious accident? This is where your view is letting you down. There is absolutely no problem with the use of accident rate and is globally used to determine safety.

You are trying to push a narrative of recklessness and lack of care for safety when the mode of transport used was 7 times safer than transport used by the club for the team weekly - which nobody in their right mind would complain about.

I don’t know what else to say if you can’t grasp this.

Well, if you are half as educated as you pretended to be in the past, you would understand the meaning of a scientific median and use if statitics as an argument.. Variables is not very relevant is it, ironically enough when you bring in more variables than needed ? if 100k single piston flights resolve in 2,4% failure, and 100k 737 boing resolve in 00,1% failure. Witch one do you gamble on? And we all know you like to gamble!

Again no idea what you are talking about regarding your first and last bit, sounds like your paranoia getting the better of you again?

As for your middle bit, you aren’t making sense again. There was no Boeing 737 going from Nantes to Cardiff, which is what Sala said was a problem for him regarding scheduling as he wanted to make it back easily for training next day. So private chartered plane was the obvious answer, something that players and managers use on a regular basis and have done for decades and will continue to do so.

Are you suggesting clubs are being unduly reckless by having a team bus instead of flying everywhere by jet? Choosing a mode of transport with 17 in 100,000 journeys ending in serious accident? This is where your view is letting you down. There is absolutely no problem with the use of accident rate and is globally used to determine safety.

You are trying to push a narrative of recklessness and lack of care for safety when the mode of transport used was 7 times safer than transport used by the club for the team weekly - which nobody in their right mind would complain about.

I don’t know what else to say if you can’t grasp this.

Lets get back to basics shall we?


I think the most relevant questions that the professional authorities will be asking, & investigating at the moment are;


1. Who actually owned the plane?
2. Was the plane "airworthy" to fly?
3. Was the pilot competent at the time to fly the plane?

Im no expert on flying matters & protocols, but its seems to me that there are many many failures involved in this tragically awfull event. Who gave permission to fly this type of plane at night? Who authorised the flight path? What time was the plane scheduled to arrive at Cardiff airport? Who was designated to meet ES at Cardiff airport on arrival?

Here's my version of events. The agent in this case McKay had just made a ton of money, probably around £1.5 Million minimum from the transfer. When someone makes so much money for 15 mins of bullshit to get the player to sign the contract, he probably felt on top of the world. Then when the call came in from his son that Sala needed to go back to France, he should have leased a private jet for £10-15K, peanuts when you've just made over 1.5 mill for Sweet FA. Nah this idiot being the greedy f**k, decides to send Sala in a light f*cking airplane in shit conditions, with a part time pilot rusty from non flying, which probably cost him no more than a £1000, but he made out like it's for Free coz I am super nice agent, and I will look after you after I have deposited my cash in to a Swiss bank account. I'm sorry to rant but that MoFo sent Sala to his untimely death. Yes I know accidents do happen, but all the odds were stacked against Sala, with it being an old plane, a light aircraft, poor weather conditions and to be flown by a rusty gas fitter (no offence to the pilot, God rest his soul too), just to save a few quid. I am so angry that a young man lost his life because of ££££££££££££££££££££££££.

Lets get back to basics shall we?


I think the most relevant questions that the professional authorities will be asking, & investigating at the moment are;


1. Who actually owned the plane?
2. Was the plane "airworthy" to fly?
3. Was the pilot competent at the time to fly the plane?

Im no expert on flying matters & protocols, but its seems to me that there are many many failures involved in this tragically awfull event. Who gave permission to fly this type of plane at night? Who authorised the flight path? What time was the plane scheduled to arrive at Cardiff airport? Who was designated to meet ES at Cardiff airport on arrival?

They are fully entitled to ask those questions. My point being is the fact they are questions means the answers are not clear - so how fans can apportion blame at this point is absurd. But some of these answers are fairly simple.

The plane is owned by a firm in Suffolk called Southern Aircraft Consultancy inc.

The plane, unless found (and possibly still if found), will be difficult to answer whether it was air-worthy. But often when planes crash due to mechanical failure you obviously don’t know until it’s too late, so the more fitting question is whether it was regularly checked - which I assume will also be an easier answer to source.

The competency of the pilot would be a question of whether he holds his licences. He got his pilots licence in 2014 in the States and the noises from the British Aviation body suggest he had his licences, qualifications and was registered. The only sticking point, and it’s more a bureaucracy question is whether he was paid for it, as his licence allows him to carry passengers as long as he doesn’t profit - but that is not a competence issue. I fully expect the chartering company that owns that plane will be facing some tough questioning on that front.

And finally flying at night has very little baring on anything. Planes fly 24 hours a day over land and sea, they are designed fully to cope with both.

Lets get back to basics shall we?


I think the most relevant questions that the professional authorities will be asking, & investigating at the moment are;


1. Who actually owned the plane?
2. Was the plane "airworthy" to fly?
3. Was the pilot competent at the time to fly the plane?

Im no expert on flying matters & protocols, but its seems to me that there are many many failures involved in this tragically awfull event. Who gave permission to fly this type of plane at night? Who authorised the flight path? What time was the plane scheduled to arrive at Cardiff airport? Who was designated to meet ES at Cardiff airport on arrival?

They are fully entitled to ask those questions. My point being is the fact they are questions means the answers are not clear - so how fans can apportion blame at this point is absurd. But some of these answers are fairly simple.

The plane is owned by a firm in Suffolk called Southern Aircraft Consultancy inc.

The plane, unless found (and possibly still if found), will be difficult to answer whether it was air-worthy. But often when planes crash due to mechanical failure you obviously don’t know until it’s too late, so the more fitting question is whether it was regularly checked - which I assume will also be an easier answer to source.

The competency of the pilot would be a question of whether he holds his licences. He got his pilots licence in 2014 in the States and the noises from the British Aviation body suggest he had his licences, qualifications and was registered. The only sticking point, and it’s more a bureaucracy question is whether he was paid for it, as his licence allows him to carry passengers as long as he doesn’t profit - but that is not a competence issue. I fully expect the chartering company that owns that plane will be facing some tough questioning on that front.

And finally flying at night has very little baring on anything. Planes fly 24 hours a day over land and sea, they are designed fully to cope with both.

The competency of the pilot is being questioned as it has been widely documented that he stated to friends on social media that he was rusty at flying, I’ve also read he wasn’t confident using ILS either, so was the pilot competent to fly this flight, my thoughts are No not in a million years

Lets get back to basics shall we?


I think the most relevant questions that the professional authorities will be asking, & investigating at the moment are;


1. Who actually owned the plane?
2. Was the plane "airworthy" to fly?
3. Was the pilot competent at the time to fly the plane?

Im no expert on flying matters & protocols, but its seems to me that there are many many failures involved in this tragically awfull event. Who gave permission to fly this type of plane at night? Who authorised the flight path? What time was the plane scheduled to arrive at Cardiff airport? Who was designated to meet ES at Cardiff airport on arrival?

They are fully entitled to ask those questions. My point being is the fact they are questions means the answers are not clear - so how fans can apportion blame at this point is absurd. But some of these answers are fairly simple.

The plane is owned by a firm in Suffolk called Southern Aircraft Consultancy inc.

The plane, unless found (and possibly still if found), will be difficult to answer whether it was air-worthy. But often when planes crash due to mechanical failure you obviously don’t know until it’s too late, so the more fitting question is whether it was regularly checked - which I assume will also be an easier answer to source.

The competency of the pilot would be a question of whether he holds his licences. He got his pilots licence in 2014 in the States and the noises from the British Aviation body suggest he had his licences, qualifications and was registered. The only sticking point, and it’s more a bureaucracy question is whether he was paid for it, as his licence allows him to carry passengers as long as he doesn’t profit - but that is not a competence issue. I fully expect the chartering company that owns that plane will be facing some tough questioning on that front.

And finally flying at night has very little baring on anything. Planes fly 24 hours a day over land and sea, they are designed fully to cope with both.

Like I said in an earlier post, Im no expert, & I hope the progressing investigation answers all those questions, & many more.

The competency of the pilot is being questioned as it has been widely documented that he stated to friends on social media that he was rusty at flying, I’ve also read he wasn’t confident using ILS either, so was the pilot competent to fly this flight, my thoughts are No not in a million years

If you don’t drive for a while people say they are “rusty” too, it’s a turn of phrase. Wouldn’t mean they were incompetent to drive a car though, they would be a fully qualified driver which by definition is a competency test.

The only variable would be if something happened to impair him since the licence was awarded. So for example some old people hold licences that aren’t competent because their reaction time has considerably slowed or eyesight deteriorated etc. but being awarded your licence a mere 4 years ago and a relatively young man in the great scheme of things, I struggle to see what would have changed from being deemed competent.

I think it’s unfair he is being called into question when he cannot defend himself.

The competency of the pilot is being questioned as it has been widely documented that he stated to friends on social media that he was rusty at flying, I’ve also read he wasn’t confident using ILS either, so was the pilot competent to fly this flight, my thoughts are No not in a million years

If you don’t drive for a while people say they are “rusty” too, it’s a turn of phrase. Wouldn’t mean they were incompetent to drive a car though, they would be a fully qualified driver which by definition is a competency test.

The only variable would be if something happened to impair him since the licence was awarded. So for example some old people hold licences that aren’t competent because their reaction time has considerably slowed or eyesight deteriorated etc. but being awarded your licence a mere 4 years ago and a relatively young man in the great scheme of things, I struggle to see what would have changed from being deemed competent.

I think it’s unfair he is being called into question when he cannot defend himself.

To be honest with you I’d jump in a car with somebody who is rusty at driving, would I jump in a plane with somebody who is rusty.... hell no, and if you were to be honest I very much doubt you would either.

The competency of the pilot is being questioned as it has been widely documented that he stated to friends on social media that he was rusty at flying, I’ve also read he wasn’t confident using ILS either, so was the pilot competent to fly this flight, my thoughts are No not in a million years

If you don’t drive for a while people say they are “rusty” too, it’s a turn of phrase. Wouldn’t mean they were incompetent to drive a car though, they would be a fully qualified driver which by definition is a competency test.

The only variable would be if something happened to impair him since the licence was awarded. So for example some old people hold licences that aren’t competent because their reaction time has considerably slowed or eyesight deteriorated etc. but being awarded your licence a mere 4 years ago and a relatively young man in the great scheme of things, I struggle to see what would have changed from being deemed competent.

I think it’s unfair he is being called into question when he cannot defend himself.

With regard to defending himself, I think its fair to say that any pilot involved in an air accident, both civil & military, whether they survived or not, would immediately come under the closest of scrutiny, & every aspect of their flying credentials, competency's & qualifications would be robustly checked,,, as would their background & behaviours be scrutinized, especially the 24 hours before the incident/disappearance?

To be honest with you I’d jump in a car with somebody who is rusty at driving, would I jump in a plane with somebody who is rusty.... hell no, and if you were to be honest I very much doubt you would either.

That’s just irrational fear though. I’d rather get in a car than a plane in general, yet fully aware a plane is safer than a car.

To the other poster, a pilot coming under questioning is normal, no issue there - however there is a difference between asking fair questions and insinuating he was to blame, a line that is often crossed in this case. It’s not fair to him nor his family.

To be honest with you I’d jump in a car with somebody who is rusty at driving, would I jump in a plane with somebody who is rusty.... hell no, and if you were to be honest I very much doubt you would either.

That’s just irrational fear though. I’d rather get in a car than a plane in general, yet fully aware a plane is safer than a car.

To the other poster, a pilot coming under questioning is normal, no issue there - however there is a difference between asking fair questions and insinuating he was to blame, a line that is often crossed in this case. It’s not fair to him nor his family.

Absolutely right,,, which we should all respect, until such time as the official investigation is concluded,,, however long that process will take.

We owe that to the families & friends of the victims, & I truly hope, for their sakes, that they will eventually find peace & closure after this appalling & tragic episode.

What really gets me is that McKay made £1.5m from this deal, and must feel a huge degree of responsibility for booking the plane etc, yet I haven't read anything about him donating a penny to the fund to search for Sala! I think that tells you everything you need to know about this soulless asshole!

What really gets me is that McKay made £1.5m from this deal, and must feel a huge degree of responsibility for booking the plane etc, yet I haven't read anything about him donating a penny to the fund to search for Sala! I think that tells you everything you need to know about this soulless asshole!

and if he had donated { and you really do not know either way } but had he donated it would either not be a big enough sum , or people would say its because of guilt..

i did not donate to it either, or did the majority of our fans ,does not mean myself or anyone else is a soulless arsehole.

To the other poster, a pilot coming under questioning is normal, no issue there - however there is a difference between asking fair questions and insinuating he was to blame, a line that is often crossed in this case. It’s not fair to him nor his family.

I agree with much of that. It is fair to question the pilot's credentials but it is unfair to jump to actual conclusions and apportion blame using the little information we know.

However we all have the right to express an opinion which is obviously not fact but I would always keep in mind that the Pilot is presumed dead and therefore can't defend himself.

What really gets me is that McKay made £1.5m from this deal, and must feel a huge degree of responsibility for booking the plane etc, yet I haven't read anything about him donating a penny to the fund to search for Sala! I think that tells you everything you need to know about this soulless asshole!

and if he had donated { and you really do not know either way } but had he donated it would either not be a big enough sum , or people would say its because of guilt..

i did not donate to it either, or did the majority of our fans ,does not mean myself or anyone else is a soulless arsehole.

Good point. Using the logic of Jimbo I would be complicit as I wanted the player to come and play for us and I haven't donated to the search either; so I must also be a soulless arsehole

What really gets me is that McKay made £1.5m from this deal, and must feel a huge degree of responsibility for booking the plane etc, yet I haven't read anything about him donating a penny to the fund to search for Sala! I think that tells you everything you need to know about this soulless asshole!

and if he had donated { and you really do not know either way } but had he donated it would either not be a big enough sum , or people would say its because of guilt..

i did not donate to it either, or did the majority of our fans ,does not mean myself or anyone else is a soulless arsehole.

Good point. Using the logic of Jimbo I would be complicit as I wanted the player to come and play for us and I haven't donated to the search either; so I must also be a soulless arsehole

your not alone, if every Cardiff fan who has attended a game this season donated a tenner the go fundme would be double what it is. I don't think for a minute that means none of us care.

Should of been him on the plane, the liar saying its been a tough time for him, probably because nobody's trusting the guy for business anymore

This agents hands are covered in blood....saved some cash by using the cheap plane option...absolute scum of the earth .... just a greedy b*stard...£14 mill player in a schit plane ...poor lad has been fkd over by this agent

I know everyone looks for a scape goat in a situation like this but I really don't like the way this agent is coming out of this.

“When you spend €17m on a footballer, you don’t put him on an EasyJet flight.”

This quote is disgusting and insensitive at the very least.

I'd rather fly on easy jet than the single engine plane he booked any day of the week.

Surely it's their responsibility for checking that the replacement pilot was commercial and he had the correct experience.

He can say because Sala didn't pay it doesn't count as commercial... absolute Bull. They were transporting a £15/18 million player of course it was commercial.

Just because their first choice pilot wasn't available it's like they've washed their hands of any responsibility.

I can't stop thinking this whole situation could have been avoided and is a devastating waste of life.

Forget about the impact it's had on our chances of staying in this division!

What really gets me is that McKay made £1.5m from this deal, and must feel a huge degree of responsibility for booking the plane etc, yet I haven't read anything about him donating a penny to the fund to search for Sala! I think that tells you everything you need to know about this soulless asshole!

and if he had donated { and you really do not know either way } but had he donated it would either not be a big enough sum , or people would say its because of guilt..

i did not donate to it either, or did the majority of our fans ,does not mean myself or anyone else is a soulless arsehole.

The point I'm making is that we were told they needed to raise $300k for the private search. The agent who brokered the deal (and made £2.5m from it) and who actually booked the plane, ddn't put in a penny!!!!! Did you make any money from Sala, did you book the plane he died in??? No, but if you had yoiu might have a some shred of decency and contribute to the fund if not pay for the whole thing.

I think that its best left to investigation as speculation is bad
However here are thoughts i have

Firstly the agent, like most agents is greedy, untrustworthy and out for himself.
The primary goal should to get best deal for any player and not just financial, but also what suits that player best for progressing career. The safety and well being of that player is also paramount.

So putting a player on cheapest plane possible would not be the safest method of transportation, although arguably the low cost airlines would be even cheaper. The issue here would be how much did agent know about the aircraft. Was it ever known to him what aircraft would be used and what pilot.

Then the Pilots
Questions on whether the company supplying the flight thought a certain pilot was doing the flight? Who knew about the swap of pilots and how did other pilots name end up in France. was it fraud?

The Gas fitter pilot needed money, was he offered a deal to good to refuse, by others who put money before safety.

The plane, was it pressurised or not? If yes then why did it fly so low at 5000ft where icing was known to be a problem at that height. Did the pilot have experience that meant he knew that.
If it was pressurised firstly it should have been much higher where it would not experience icing, or when ice warnings he should have climbed out of it not gone down lower into further icing.

If the plane was non pressurised with the weather conditions it should not have flown with that night and the weather conditions including icing would have been known on their flight plan.

Then the failed take offs.What the issues were do matter but this is a huge red warning sign. Why continue?
Was it because so desperate to get away, or was it because a fraud was likely to be indicated if they remained due to technical problems.


So many questions?
If Sala ended up being two days late due to weather / flight issues then it would be better than 60 years plus too early for his death.
So questions remain on what was done in good faith, what was done with or without due diligence, what was or was not done to save money and what if any fraudulent actions were done.
The experts will go through bank accounts, service records, pilot records, messages and everything else in regards to this and leave no stone unturned. Then those guilty of things will be brought to justice, with facts.

Mean while Sala's family have the longest agonising wait for answers and speculation can only hurt them more.

What really gets me is that McKay made £1.5m from this deal, and must feel a huge degree of responsibility for booking the plane etc, yet I haven't read anything about him donating a penny to the fund to search for Sala! I think that tells you everything you need to know about this soulless asshole!

and if he had donated { and you really do not know either way } but had he donated it would either not be a big enough sum , or people would say its because of guilt..

i did not donate to it either, or did the majority of our fans ,does not mean myself or anyone else is a soulless arsehole.

Good point. Using the logic of Jimbo I would be complicit as I wanted the player to come and play for us and I haven't donated to the search either; so I must also be a soulless arsehole

That's not the logic at all! This isn't difficult to understand. Did you personally make a huge amount of money from the Sala transfer? Did you then book the plane that he died on? If you had I'm sure the guilt would be eating you alive and you'd make some contribution to the search. The fact McKay did actually make this huge sum off Sala, and then booked the plane, then did nothing to help with the search makes him a soulless asshole!

What really gets me is that McKay made £1.5m from this deal, and must feel a huge degree of responsibility for booking the plane etc, yet I haven't read anything about him donating a penny to the fund to search for Sala! I think that tells you everything you need to know about this soulless asshole!

and if he had donated { and you really do not know either way } but had he donated it would either not be a big enough sum , or people would say its because of guilt..

i did not donate to it either, or did the majority of our fans ,does not mean myself or anyone else is a soulless arsehole.

Good point. Using the logic of Jimbo I would be complicit as I wanted the player to come and play for us and I haven't donated to the search either; so I must also be a soulless arsehole

That's not the logic at all! This isn't difficult to understand. Did you personally make a huge amount of money from the Sala transfer? Did you then book the plane that he died on? If you had I'm sure the guilt would be eating you alive and you'd make some contribution to the search. The fact McKay did actually make this huge sum off Sala, and then booked the plane, then did nothing to help with the search makes him a soulless asshole!

i fully understood your point.. being a souless arsehole is dependent on a contribution to the search.
and had he made a sizeable contribution { which he might have done } he should have fully funded it or else he is still a souless arseho;le.

why have these provisos ?

For goodness sake this is obviously fake. Its even dated "Friday 31st January 2019" when its actually Thursday!

Also, the rumours of this deal taking place were long before Christmas, not after the 6th January.

I'm not saying that McKay clearly wanted to make money from the deal - its what agents do. But I can't believe that anyone of his intelligence and experience is going to write that in an email to a player, even if he's thinking this in private!

I'm pretty sure you've all been had here by a disgruntled person looking for publicity.

If it's not true than I'm sure the newspaper will be hearing from the agent's lawyers.

Don’t hold your breath waiting on McLies suing them.

Cowboys.

Without reading the whole post, isn’t this what all agents are about?

Lets get back to basics shall we?


I think the most relevant questions that the professional authorities will be asking, & investigating at the moment are;


1. Who actually owned the plane?
2. Was the plane "airworthy" to fly?
3. Was the pilot competent at the time to fly the plane?

Im no expert on flying matters & protocols, but its seems to me that there are many many failures involved in this tragically awfull event. Who gave permission to fly this type of plane at night? Who authorised the flight path? What time was the plane scheduled to arrive at Cardiff airport? Who was designated to meet ES at Cardiff airport on arrival?

They are fully entitled to ask those questions. My point being is the fact they are questions means the answers are not clear - so how fans can apportion blame at this point is absurd. But some of these answers are fairly simple.

The plane is owned by a firm in Suffolk called Southern Aircraft Consultancy inc.

The plane, unless found (and possibly still if found), will be difficult to answer whether it was air-worthy. But often when planes crash due to mechanical failure you obviously don’t know until it’s too late, so the more fitting question is whether it was regularly checked - which I assume will also be an easier answer to source.

The competency of the pilot would be a question of whether he holds his licences. He got his pilots licence in 2014 in the States and the noises from the British Aviation body suggest he had his licences, qualifications and was registered. The only sticking point, and it’s more a bureaucracy question is whether he was paid for it, as his licence allows him to carry passengers as long as he doesn’t profit - but that is not a competence issue. I fully expect the chartering company that owns that plane will be facing some tough questioning on that front.

And finally flying at night has very little baring on anything. Planes fly 24 hours a day over land and sea, they are designed fully to cope with both.

I think you’ll find the pilot's competency and willingness to fly single engine at night, and his lack of qualifications to fly using instruments only, had a huge bearing on this event; as did his over confidence in his flying ability and his desire to get to his destination.