I hope this is not true

point here is that a decent bouncer wouldnt wade in fists first if they didnt have to

Of course, in the real world, there are a fair number of bouncers who are not "decent" and quite often can be a law onto themselves.

The all point of bouncers being fully licensed is to stop people being knocked out or hit. Bouncers can longer use that kind of force, could be reprocessions for the bouncer and the club if true.

A doorman is allowed to use reasonable force if the situation calls for it.
I'm not sure what happened here but if someone threw a punch/punches at a doorman then the doorman is entitled to match the force of the aggressor.

Rubbish

It is indeed rubbish!

A doorman is entitled to match the force of an aggressor?

Its not total rubbish they're are lots of variables. Doormen have basically the same rights as any normal person on the street. They are aloud to use reasonable force depending on proportionality, justification and necessity. IF someone punched or swung a punch at a doorman and he floored them then charges would prob not stand.

It is rubbish. If someone attempts to use a baseball bat on a doorman, are you telling me the doorman could reply like-for-like ... or if a someone tried kicking the doorman in the head ... the doorman could reply in the same fashion?

Doormen have to try and restrain and not be seen to be using unecessary force; they certainly don't have carte blanche. A patron doesn't have the right to head-butt a doorman, for example, but they may well attempt to (..and often do!) the doorman does NOT have the right to reply back in such a way.

If you throw a punch at a bouncer they have the right to hit back. case closed.

But in a court of law it can become a grey area - the bouncer might be prosecuted if he attempted to throw multiple punches at someone who had become overpowered.

not really like for like then mate.


point here is that a decent bouncer wouldnt wade in fists first if they didnt have to, and only resort to that if they had little matter.

someone the size of harris is unlikely to need sparking out

If you look at the earlier video of the alleged bouncer (boxing vid'), you'll see he's probably about the same height as Harris.

I agree with you, a decent bouncer wouldn't need to start throwing haymakers. I'm guessing he might have been a bit edgy and slightly uncomfortable about the size of NML.

The all point of bouncers being fully licensed is to stop people being knocked out or hit. Bouncers can longer use that kind of force, could be reprocessions for the bouncer and the club if true.

A doorman is allowed to use reasonable force if the situation calls for it.
I'm not sure what happened here but if someone threw a punch/punches at a doorman then the doorman is entitled to match the force of the aggressor.

Their meant to defuse a situation not make it worse you clown. If you are a bouncer and have to resort to violence you are a very s**t bouncer.

The all point of bouncers being fully licensed is to stop people being knocked out or hit. Bouncers can longer use that kind of force, could be reprocessions for the bouncer and the club if true.

A doorman is allowed to use reasonable force if the situation calls for it.
I'm not sure what happened here but if someone threw a punch/punches at a doorman then the doorman is entitled to match the force of the aggressor.

Rubbish

It is indeed rubbish!

A doorman is entitled to match the force of an aggressor?

Its not total rubbish they're are lots of variables. Doormen have basically the same rights as any normal person on the street. They are aloud to use reasonable force depending on proportionality, justification and necessity. IF someone punched or swung a punch at a doorman and he floored them then charges would prob not stand.

It is rubbish. If someone attempts to use a baseball bat on a doorman, are you telling me the doorman could reply like-for-like ... or if a someone tried kicking the doorman in the head ... the doorman could reply in the same fashion?

Doormen have to try and restrain and not be seen to be using unecessary force; they certainly don't have carte blanche. A patron doesn't have the right to head-butt a doorman, for example, but they may well attempt to (..and often do!) the doorman does NOT have the right to reply back in such a way.

Read my post again you div. I said it's not 'total' bollocks. When did I suggest using a weapon or kicking a grounded person was 'reasonable'?

Every case is different depending on the factors I explained above. If someone swings a punch at a doorman and the doorman slipped the shot and punched them back they would be within the realms of self defence, that is a fact and 9/10 police will always side with a sober doorman over a piss head.

End of the day we don't know what was said, maybe Harris didn't make a move for him but maybe he said something and deserved a punch. You never know who your f*cking with bouncer or not and if it was the name mentioned he was f*cking with the wrong person! You want to go out and act like a tw*t then deal with the consequences!

Some doormen go over the top and don't help but there are idiots out there who think they can play up because they think doormen are not allowed to do anything.
Last Saturday in Pontypridd outside a pub near the traffic lights some stocky fella in his thirties offering one of the doormen out for a one on one he wouldn't listen when told walk away and kept up his verbal abuse for a good 5 minutes until a crowd gathered. His missus was egging him on and he got brave and threw a few punches at one of the doorman who threw a punch back in defense and dropped the arsehole in an heap the police arrived and arsehole and his missus wanted to report an assualt

so the question is did it happen?? We seem to have a 3 pager about what a doorman can and can't do.

so the question is did it happen?? We seem to have a 3 pager about what a doorman can and can't do.

I would have thought something would have come out in the media or from the club by now?

so the question is did it happen?? We seem to have a 3 pager about what a doorman can and can't do.

I would have thought something would have come out in the media or from the club by now?

I recall Mike Philips then Cardiff blues and Wales getting put on his ass on mill lane and it made the news the next day with mobile phone shots too.

so the question is did it happen?? We seem to have a 3 pager about what a doorman can and can't do.

I would have thought something would have come out in the media or from the club by now?

I recall Mike Philips then Cardiff blues and Wales getting put on his ass on mill lane and it made the news the next day with mobile phone shots too.

Outside McDonalds as far as a I recall...very amusing photo.

Just remembered Jazz was out in soda as well.

And if you want to know who knocked Kadeem out it was Steve Anning He was the bouncer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ_8wUoLjO0

I take it from watching that YouTube video that this "Steve Anning" was the one that got the early cheap shot in as the other boxer looked to make the customary touch of gloves, right?

what a f*cking weasel taking the cheap shot, doesn't surprise me he is a bouncer then, right make-up #cock

The all point of bouncers being fully licensed is to stop people being knocked out or hit. Bouncers can longer use that kind of force, could be reprocessions for the bouncer and the club if true.

A doorman is allowed to use reasonable force if the situation calls for it.
I'm not sure what happened here but if someone threw a punch/punches at a doorman then the doorman is entitled to match the force of the aggressor.

Rubbish

It is indeed rubbish!

A doorman is entitled to match the force of an aggressor?

90% of doormen are twats - I rest my case Petrocelli



Its not total rubbish they're are lots of variables. Doormen have basically the same rights as any normal person on the street. They are aloud to use reasonable force depending on proportionality, justification and necessity. IF someone punched or swung a punch at a doorman and he floored them then charges would prob not stand.

It is rubbish. If someone attempts to use a baseball bat on a doorman, are you telling me the doorman could reply like-for-like ... or if a someone tried kicking the doorman in the head ... the doorman could reply in the same fashion?

Doormen have to try and restrain and not be seen to be using unecessary force; they certainly don't have carte blanche. A patron doesn't have the right to head-butt a doorman, for example, but they may well attempt to (..and often do!) the doorman does NOT have the right to reply back in such a way.

If you throw a punch at a bouncer they have the right to hit back. case closed.

But in a court of law it can become a grey area - the bouncer might be prosecuted if he attempted to throw multiple punches at someone who had become overpowered.

not really like for like then mate.


point here is that a decent bouncer wouldnt wade in fists first if they didnt have to, and only resort to that if they had little matter.

someone the size of harris is unlikely to need sparking out

Why do people frequent these type of places let alone on a sunday night?

if they had to go out, then couldn't they just have gone to their local for a quiet shandy or even better be at home with their families.

Maybe because they're young and want to enjoy themselves?