“ Kenneth Zohore “

Glad u say this i was shouting at him telling him to to get his backside into gear. He was shocking. Some deluded fan in front of me had an argument with with saying hes best thing on the pitch. Well with fickle fans like that we aint going nowhere with him

Seems a bit ironic that this thread is seeing a lot of comments, and that most fans agree that we desperately need a striker in over the next 48 hours or so. During the Summer break most were convinced that we had the best striker in the Championship, with silly values like £15m to £20m being mentioned.

A big change in people's views in 6 months, with some fans now suggesting he should be dropped. Appears to me as if a lot of people based their opinions on a very short spell at the start of 2017 when he hit a few goals, but for some reason ignored the rest of his career where for most of the time it looked like he could'nt hit a cows arse with a shovel.

I think he's a tidy enough player and I don't know if there is a bit of an attitude problem, although I can see some people think there may be. I just do not see him being the type player who will get enough goals to keep us in the hunt for automatic promotion, and that was the main reason for me predicting that a play off place would be the best we could hope for this season. Be good to see how he performs if we can get a goal sniffer in before the window shuts.

Seems a bit ironic that this thread is seeing a lot of comments, and that most fans agree that we desperately need a striker in over the next 48 hours or so. During the Summer break most were convinced that we had the best striker in the Championship, with silly values like £15m to £20m being mentioned.

A big change in people's views in 6 months, with some fans now suggesting he should be dropped. Appears to me as if a lot of people based their opinions on a very short spell at the start of 2017 when he hit a few goals, but for some reason ignored the rest of his career where for most of the time it looked like he could'nt hit a cows arse with a shovel.

I think he's a tidy enough player and I don't know if there is a bit of an attitude problem, although I can see some people think there may be. I just do not see him being the type player who will get enough goals to keep us in the hunt for automatic promotion, and that was the main reason for me predicting that a play off place would be the best we could hope for this season. Be good to see how he performs if we can get a goal sniffer in before the window shuts.

Careful Steve you will be called a doom and gloom merchant coming out with things like this.

I got the same treatment from a high level fan after the Bolton game when I suggested we needed a striker who can hit the target. 2 games later this high profile fan came out with the same sentiment. Such is the football fan.

Seems a bit ironic that this thread is seeing a lot of comments, and that most fans agree that we desperately need a striker in over the next 48 hours or so. During the Summer break most were convinced that we had the best striker in the Championship, with silly values like £15m to £20m being mentioned.

A big change in people's views in 6 months, with some fans now suggesting he should be dropped. Appears to me as if a lot of people based their opinions on a very short spell at the start of 2017 when he hit a few goals, but for some reason ignored the rest of his career where for most of the time it looked like he could'nt hit a cows arse with a shovel.

I think he's a tidy enough player and I don't know if there is a bit of an attitude problem, although I can see some people think there may be. I just do not see him being the type player who will get enough goals to keep us in the hunt for automatic promotion, and that was the main reason for me predicting that a play off place would be the best we could hope for this season. Be good to see how he performs if we can get a goal sniffer in before the window shuts.

Careful Steve you will be called a doom and gloom merchant coming out with things like this.

I got the same treatment from a high level fan after the Bolton game when I suggested we needed a striker who can hit the target. 2 games later this high profile fan came out with the same sentiment. Such is the football fan.

I try not to get over excited if we win a game, or think we are relegation material just because we lose a game. We are always going to have some good and bad performances, but it is all about being reasonably consistent over 46 games that counts. I could not join in with everyone who seemed to think we had some sort of Ronaldo here just because he had a decent three month spell, that is not exactly what I call consistent. He may come good again, but he is 24 years old and 26 goals in 117 games is not that brilliant to me. I hope he finishes this season like the last one, we really need him to start hitting the net now.

Give the boy a break!! He was covering/closing 3 Man City players, Patterson had one. You either all close or do what we did yesterday and stay man marking with a spare at the back.

I get Kenny isn’t firing but he did his best yesterday.

Team were applauded off and they deserved it.

CTID

Give the boy a break!! He was covering/closing 3 Man City players, Patterson had one. You either all close or do what we did yesterday and stay man marking with a spare at the back.

I get Kenny isn’t firing but he did his best yesterday.

Team were applauded off and they deserved it.

CTID

Even Mo Farah would have struggled continuously chasing down the back 5 yesterday

Zohore and Mendez-Laing were dreadful again today - Manga however looked right at home in this elevated company

Oh shit have a look at the second goal then tell me manga was premier class oops

Spot on, he as nowhere just jumping in fresh air and going backwards!!

Zohore and Mendez-Laing were dreadful again today - Manga however looked right at home in this elevated company

Oh shit have a look at the second goal then tell me manga was premier class oops

Spot on, he as nowhere just jumping in fresh air and going backwards!!

Zahore just needs a goal - easier said than done but I am sure once he gets on into the onion bag we'll see him get more. (Mind you his attempt to go past Kompany in 2nd half was pitiful)

M-L was an enigma yesterday; one lightning break early doors but poor ball and then was absolutely anonymous.

As for their 2nd goal yesterday, Manga was left alone to deal with the smallest player on the park - how did that happen?

There is definitely something not right with big Ken. He has all the tools in his locker and yet he is now becoming the player he was 18 months ago.

I am sure he will start to fire again and prove his worth for City

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

I felt he was unlucky yesterday if he had scored that chance he had maybe his confidence would have improved and he back to his best and we wouldn't be moaning about him.

If that goal he scored against Sheff Wed had stood and it should have again his confidence would have grown and we would be all praising him .

Warnock will work with him and he be back hopefully

He was poor.

However, he had a thankless task in chasing down man city defenders with the ball.

Paterson was rushing around and asking Zohore to do the same, but we had 2 players chasing down against four defenders plus the midfielders dropping in... the rest of our team was so deep.

So while Zohore was poor I saw little point in him chasing down 4 world class defenders. At that point we should have been pushing up as a team to put pressure on them.


Let's put the game behind us and get behind KZ on Saturday.

I live and work in Manchester and a few City fans in my office went to the game. Their first comment to me today was naturally the tackles. The second was how they were impressed by 'that striker of yours Zohore'. Funny how away fans can see things our own fans can't.

He was better than he has been, and I agree he’s not been at the races this year yet, but he’s being asked to control a high ball and I don’t think he’s equipped for it, he wants it in to feet or space, the problem is he has to do better with it then.

My view is that he could thrive with a partner up top littlw and large old school

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

This is the more likely explanation but the usual ITK's will know better!

Have to admire their tenacity really; so many opinions with so little to back it all up!

For most of the first half, Kenneth Zohore was my MotM, as he ran around chasing the Man City defence on his own for long periods. But he did fade and it wasn't surprising. But hey, the negativo shepherds have decided Kenneth Zohore is a fraud and the sheep follow meekly!

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

This is the more likely explanation but the usual ITK's will know better!

Have to admire their tenacity really; so many opinions with so little to back it all up!

For most of the first half, Kenneth Zohore was my MotM, as he ran around chasing the Man City defence on his own for long periods. But he did fade and it wasn't surprising. But hey, the negativo shepherds have decided Kenneth Zohore is a fraud and the sheep follow meekly!

This is the way I see it Chris.
Playing on your own up front is a really difficult job - especially against the Man City defence and goalkeeper who are known for not giving the ball away and out passing anyone.
Zohore is a big unit and there’s no way he can chase down the ball whilst 3 or 4 of their players have possession!
Whether we should have played a higher line, not man marked so much or pressed more as a team is not Zohore’s fault but the managers.
I thought he did well. IMO he needs more help up there.

People on here love a scapegoat especially one or two in particular.
It was Morrison last year!

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

This is the more likely explanation but the usual ITK's will know better!

Have to admire their tenacity really; so many opinions with so little to back it all up!

For most of the first half, Kenneth Zohore was my MotM, as he ran around chasing the Man City defence on his own for long periods. But he did fade and it wasn't surprising. But hey, the negativo shepherds have decided Kenneth Zohore is a fraud and the sheep follow meekly!

This is the way I see it Chris.
Playing on your own up front is a really difficult job - especially against the Man City defence and goalkeeper who are known for not giving the ball away and out passing anyone.
Zohore is a big unit and there’s no way he can chase down the ball whilst 3 or 4 of their players have possession!
Whether we should have played a higher line, not man marked so much or pressed more as a team is not Zohore’s fault but the managers.
I thought he did well. IMO he needs more help up there.

People on here love a scapegoat especially one or two in particular.
It was Morrison last year!

I have not based my opinion on him because of one game against a world class side, I thought he did ok. I also have not based my opinion on him based on a brief three month spell at the beginning of last year. My views on him are based on his time at the club to date, and his career stats. As I said in an earlier post, he is not a youngster learning his trade. He is 24 years old and if you take that three months mentioned earlier away, his stats as a goal scorer are dreadful. If you include them, it brings his goal record up to distinctly average. My personal opinion is that he is a tidy enough player, an asset to the squad, and if used correctly is good at holding up the ball and bringing others into play. He is capable of scoring some real eye catching goals, but I have seen nothing to suggest he will be that 20 goal a season striker that made us think he is £15m worth of striker. Just my opinion, and he could prove me wrong and start doing something that he has not yet done in his career, score consistently and not just over one brief period of a few months.

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

This is the more likely explanation but the usual ITK's will know better!

Have to admire their tenacity really; so many opinions with so little to back it all up!

For most of the first half, Kenneth Zohore was my MotM, as he ran around chasing the Man City defence on his own for long periods. But he did fade and it wasn't surprising. But hey, the negativo shepherds have decided Kenneth Zohore is a fraud and the sheep follow meekly!

This is the way I see it Chris.
Playing on your own up front is a really difficult job - especially against the Man City defence and goalkeeper who are known for not giving the ball away and out passing anyone.
Zohore is a big unit and there’s no way he can chase down the ball whilst 3 or 4 of their players have possession!
Whether we should have played a higher line, not man marked so much or pressed more as a team is not Zohore’s fault but the managers.
I thought he did well. IMO he needs more help up there.

People on here love a scapegoat especially one or two in particular.
It was Morrison last year!

I have not based my opinion on him because of one game against a world class side, I thought he did ok. I also have not based my opinion on him based on a brief three month spell at the beginning of last year. My views on him are based on his time at the club to date, and his career stats. As I said in an earlier post, he is not a youngster learning his trade. He is 24 years old and if you take that three months mentioned earlier away, his stats as a goal scorer are dreadful. If you include them, it brings his goal record up to distinctly average. My personal opinion is that he is a tidy enough player, an asset to the squad, and if used correctly is good at holding up the ball and bringing others into play. He is capable of scoring some real eye catching goals, but I have seen nothing to suggest he will be that 20 goal a season striker that made us think he is £15m worth of striker. Just my opinion, and he could prove me wrong and start doing something that he has not yet done in his career, score consistently and not just over one brief period of a few months.

I know it's just your opinion and not a fact but give the lad a chance. You must have posted dozens of times on different threads criticizing Zohore. Are you sure that you are not obsessed? When he came here he didn't do much at first, then he was bloody fantastic, then he got injured, then he was probably rushed back too soon and suffered as a result. He's certainly not what I would call a "natural goalscorer" but I think that when we sort out our midfield and when Mendez-Laing finds his early season form again we will see big Ken firing on all cylinders once more...and chipping in with his fair share of goals. Let's be honest he doesn't exactly get much service from the rest of the team with most balls being played to his head for flick-ons

Ive been thinking about this and your right he isn't a natural scorer but other than a few with his head we haven't really created a lot for him to miss. I wonder if the lack of goals is down to the change in the way we play now. Last season we were a lot deepder and quite a few of his goals were power and pace running from deeper. This season we use the wingers a lot more and his role is more about bringing others into play.

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

This is the more likely explanation but the usual ITK's will know better!

Have to admire their tenacity really; so many opinions with so little to back it all up!

For most of the first half, Kenneth Zohore was my MotM, as he ran around chasing the Man City defence on his own for long periods. But he did fade and it wasn't surprising. But hey, the negativo shepherds have decided Kenneth Zohore is a fraud and the sheep follow meekly!

This is the way I see it Chris.
Playing on your own up front is a really difficult job - especially against the Man City defence and goalkeeper who are known for not giving the ball away and out passing anyone.
Zohore is a big unit and there’s no way he can chase down the ball whilst 3 or 4 of their players have possession!
Whether we should have played a higher line, not man marked so much or pressed more as a team is not Zohore’s fault but the managers.
I thought he did well. IMO he needs more help up there.

People on here love a scapegoat especially one or two in particular.
It was Morrison last year!

I have not based my opinion on him because of one game against a world class side, I thought he did ok. I also have not based my opinion on him based on a brief three month spell at the beginning of last year. My views on him are based on his time at the club to date, and his career stats. As I said in an earlier post, he is not a youngster learning his trade. He is 24 years old and if you take that three months mentioned earlier away, his stats as a goal scorer are dreadful. If you include them, it brings his goal record up to distinctly average. My personal opinion is that he is a tidy enough player, an asset to the squad, and if used correctly is good at holding up the ball and bringing others into play. He is capable of scoring some real eye catching goals, but I have seen nothing to suggest he will be that 20 goal a season striker that made us think he is £15m worth of striker. Just my opinion, and he could prove me wrong and start doing something that he has not yet done in his career, score consistently and not just over one brief period of a few months.

I know it's just your opinion and not a fact but give the lad a chance. You must have posted dozens of times on different threads criticizing Zohore. Are you sure that you are not obsessed? When he came here he didn't do much at first, then he was bloody fantastic, then he got injured, then he was probably rushed back too soon and suffered as a result. He's certainly not what I would call a "natural goalscorer" but I think that when we sort out our midfield and when Mendez-Laing finds his early season form again we will see big Ken firing on all cylinders once more...and chipping in with his fair share of goals. Let's be honest he doesn't exactly get much service from the rest of the team with most balls being played to his head for flick-ons

I don't think I have been too critical of him. I nearly always say that he is a decent player, and is good at what he does best, holding the ball, fighting off challenges and bringing others into play. I have said somewhere else that I thought he was decent enough on Sunday. I just don't share what has been the majority view of him on here, that he will score the goals that will get us to the top. I am not saying he won't play his part, but if it's goals you are looking for I do not think he is your man.
I criticized the club from day one when we bought Doyle. I never for one moment thought he could hack it at this level. I don't put Zohore into that category. I think he can play at this level, and do a job for us. However, it is my view that we need a goal poacher in the team if we are to stay towards the top of the table, and I am not convinced that Zohore is that type of player.
Just my opinion which is up for debate. I am not saying I am right or that my opinion is any better than people with the complete opposite view. I know very well I could be completely wrong about him, and I will be chuffed if he proves me wrong and fires us to the very top as like most others on here, I want to see our club doing well.

One minor point linked to this thread, I have read on here about Lewis Grabban being a potential signing, and a few weeks back I am sure £3m was mentioned as the purchase price. Not sure if this is true, but if so is Zohore worth five times more than him, as at the start of the season fans on here were saying they would'nt accept less than £15m, even £20m for Zohore.

One minor point linked to this thread, I have read on here about Lewis Grabban being a potential signing, and a few weeks back I am sure £3m was mentioned as the purchase price. Not sure if this is true, but if so is Zohore worth five times more than him, as at the start of the season fans on here were saying they would'nt accept less than £15m, even £20m for Zohore.

A player is worth whatever a club will pay for him. Transfer fees are greatly inflated these days. Look at Scott Hogan...not an exceptional striker but he went to Villa for £15m. If Zohore returns to the form he showed from October 2016 to the end of that season he will certainly be worth that sort of bid. It's up to Warnock and the rest of the coaches to make sure they get the best out of him. He has shown without doubt that he has the ability. He won't have lost that forever at his age.

Reading some of these replies, it seems some won’t dare criticise Zohore because he scored a few goals last season.

Reading some of these replies, it seems some won’t dare criticise Zohore because he scored a few goals last season.

Looks like a friendly debate to me

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

This is the more likely explanation but the usual ITK's will know better!

Have to admire their tenacity really; so many opinions with so little to back it all up!

For most of the first half, Kenneth Zohore was my MotM, as he ran around chasing the Man City defence on his own for long periods. But he did fade and it wasn't surprising. But hey, the negativo shepherds have decided Kenneth Zohore is a fraud and the sheep follow meekly!

This is the way I see it Chris.
Playing on your own up front is a really difficult job - especially against the Man City defence and goalkeeper who are known for not giving the ball away and out passing anyone.
Zohore is a big unit and there’s no way he can chase down the ball whilst 3 or 4 of their players have possession!
Whether we should have played a higher line, not man marked so much or pressed more as a team is not Zohore’s fault but the managers.
I thought he did well. IMO he needs more help up there.

People on here love a scapegoat especially one or two in particular.
It was Morrison last year!

I have not based my opinion on him because of one game against a world class side, I thought he did ok. I also have not based my opinion on him based on a brief three month spell at the beginning of last year. My views on him are based on his time at the club to date, and his career stats. As I said in an earlier post, he is not a youngster learning his trade. He is 24 years old and if you take that three months mentioned earlier away, his stats as a goal scorer are dreadful. If you include them, it brings his goal record up to distinctly average. My personal opinion is that he is a tidy enough player, an asset to the squad, and if used correctly is good at holding up the ball and bringing others into play. He is capable of scoring some real eye catching goals, but I have seen nothing to suggest he will be that 20 goal a season striker that made us think he is £15m worth of striker. Just my opinion, and he could prove me wrong and start doing something that he has not yet done in his career, score consistently and not just over one brief period of a few months.

I know it's just your opinion and not a fact but give the lad a chance. You must have posted dozens of times on different threads criticizing Zohore. Are you sure that you are not obsessed? When he came here he didn't do much at first, then he was bloody fantastic, then he got injured, then he was probably rushed back too soon and suffered as a result. He's certainly not what I would call a "natural goalscorer" but I think that when we sort out our midfield and when Mendez-Laing finds his early season form again we will see big Ken firing on all cylinders once more...and chipping in with his fair share of goals. Let's be honest he doesn't exactly get much service from the rest of the team with most balls being played to his head for flick-ons

I don't think I have been too critical of him. I nearly always say that he is a decent player, and is good at what he does best, holding the ball, fighting off challenges and bringing others into play. I have said somewhere else that I thought he was decent enough on Sunday. I just don't share what has been the majority view of him on here, that he will score the goals that will get us to the top. I am not saying he won't play his part, but if it's goals you are looking for I do not think he is your man.
I criticized the club from day one when we bought Doyle. I never for one moment thought he could hack it at this level. I don't put Zohore into that category. I think he can play at this level, and do a job for us. However, it is my view that we need a goal poacher in the team if we are to stay towards the top of the table, and I am not convinced that Zohore is that type of player.
Just my opinion which is up for debate. I am not saying I am right or that my opinion is any better than people with the complete opposite view. I know very well I could be completely wrong about him, and I will be chuffed if he proves me wrong and fires us to the very top as like most others on here, I want to see our club doing well.

Reading some of these replies, it seems some won’t dare criticise Zohore because he scored a few goals last season.

What confuses me slightly (easily done), is that most forum members appear desperate for Grabban to join us. If the player valuations are to be believed, we were looking at £3m for Grabban and £15m for Zohore. Why are people desperate for Grabban to come here if we already have a striker who in theory is five times better than Grabban. Our striker has four goals this season and if he is way better than Grabban, I don't hold much hope of seeing our goal tally increasing by much.

Personally, if the £15m was true, I would have taken the cash. I take the valuations with a pinch of salt, the same as I do with all the players supposedly on their way here. I guess it's as someone has already said earlier, a player is worth whatever someone is prepared to pay for him.

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

This is the more likely explanation but the usual ITK's will know better!

Have to admire their tenacity really; so many opinions with so little to back it all up!

For most of the first half, Kenneth Zohore was my MotM, as he ran around chasing the Man City defence on his own for long periods. But he did fade and it wasn't surprising. But hey, the negativo shepherds have decided Kenneth Zohore is a fraud and the sheep follow meekly!

This is the way I see it Chris.
Playing on your own up front is a really difficult job - especially against the Man City defence and goalkeeper who are known for not giving the ball away and out passing anyone.
Zohore is a big unit and there’s no way he can chase down the ball whilst 3 or 4 of their players have possession!
Whether we should have played a higher line, not man marked so much or pressed more as a team is not Zohore’s fault but the managers.
I thought he did well. IMO he needs more help up there.

People on here love a scapegoat especially one or two in particular.
It was Morrison last year!

Spot on. Those who are incapable of thinking for themselves just jump on the popular bandwagon. And some just wallow in negativity.

I dont think he is over his injury and needs a partner to do some of the running for him.

This is the more likely explanation but the usual ITK's will know better!

Have to admire their tenacity really; so many opinions with so little to back it all up!

For most of the first half, Kenneth Zohore was my MotM, as he ran around chasing the Man City defence on his own for long periods. But he did fade and it wasn't surprising. But hey, the negativo shepherds have decided Kenneth Zohore is a fraud and the sheep follow meekly!

This is the way I see it Chris.
Playing on your own up front is a really difficult job - especially against the Man City defence and goalkeeper who are known for not giving the ball away and out passing anyone.
Zohore is a big unit and there’s no way he can chase down the ball whilst 3 or 4 of their players have possession!
Whether we should have played a higher line, not man marked so much or pressed more as a team is not Zohore’s fault but the managers.
I thought he did well. IMO he needs more help up there.

People on here love a scapegoat especially one or two in particular.
It was Morrison last year!

Spot on. Those who are incapable of thinking for themselves just jump on the popular bandwagon. And some just wallow in negativity.

I think the popular opinion is that he is the main man and worth huge sums of money. I think people like me who dare question him as a goal scorer are in a big minority. In fact, earlier in the season I think I was probably in a minority of one. Like I have already said, I don't think he is a bad player, just not a prolific scorer, and for the bulk of his career has never been one. Not to say he can't do a job for us, and I hope he proves me wrong.

I’d just like to ask NW why he doesn’t want to head the ball

Zohore is 24 today. Perhaps he will give himself a nice birthday present on the weekend. A hat trick would be good.