“ Have you forgiven Vincent Tan? “

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.

i didnt need a reminder, the lights were partially put out on 0,0001% of our crowd .and yes it was interupted by lights flickering not noise.
as for the red brigade , the truth is i saw intimidation both ways. including an old fella at the end of the Brighton game being confronted and shoved by a boy in his 20s..the old fella had a red free scarf around his neck and shoulders but a blue one not so visible tucked into his coat.he was visbilbly shaken, threw both scarves to the floor and shouted sod this never again.{one of many minor incidents mostly at away games }.lets not pretend the bullying was just the one way
but anyway..the red has gone...the red brigade {if it ever existed } gone...all that remains are the toxic avengers..
and at this point in time id love to see a poll...who is doing the most damage...VT or the toxic avengers not that youd pay any attention to the result.

Toxic Avengers doing far more damage.

100% mate..
there is no red brigade insisting on wearing red and singing we will always be red....even VT turns up in Blue.
there is absolutely zero resistance to playing in Blue...but on they go...red seats ..debt { providing the transfer window isnt open }..wanting individual personal appologies .not wanting promotion while Tan is here .and best of the lot..he should be getting death threats....bonkers doesnt begin to describe it....but if i had stopped over the toxic atmosphere which i believe many did 2 years after the rebrand ,i doubt id be in a rush to come back reading this rubbish .

Yeah I want to see an apology Not expecting one though.

0.0001? You knpow that 0.25 of a person

FFS...Just a reminder, we are in Blue, we are third in the Championship, we have a good manager at the helm, I couldn't give a feck about Red seats tbh. If you want to keep crying about a mistake that was made and reversed and is in the past then support another team ffs.

Some of you go on as if he robbed your fecking house and tried to kill you and you want him to come and lavish you personally with how sorry he is, he is a Billionaire who if he wanted to could pull the plug anytime on us and it would not even make a blip in his bank account, no doubt you would then say ok we can start again in non league blah, blah, blah.

I wasn't a fan of the change in colour or the badge but Cardiff City is my club and now we need all on board, how long are you going to keep whining for?, I listened to two blokes behind me at the Fulham game and all they did was whine about Tan this, Red this, red that...why the feck did they even go, stay at home if you don't like it.

Sick of hearing it

The club will go on with you or without you!

FFS...Just a reminder, we are in Blue, we are third in the Championship, we have a good manager at the helm, I couldn't give a feck about Red seats tbh. If you want to keep crying about a mistake that was made and reversed and is in the past then support another team ffs.

Some of you go on as if he robbed your fecking house and tried to kill you and you want him to come and lavish you personally with how sorry he is, he is a Billionaire who if he wanted to could pull the plug anytime on us and it would not even make a blip in his bank account, no doubt you would then say ok we can start again in non league blah, blah, blah.

I wasn't a fan of the change in colour or the badge but Cardiff City is my club and now we need all on board, how long are you going to keep whining for?, I listened to two blokes behind me at the Fulham game and all they did was whine about Tan this, Red this, red that...why the feck did they even go, stay at home if you don't like it.

Sick of hearing it

The club will go on with you or without you!

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Not joined in to this debate - but this post by1980s bluebird is spot on. Well said that man....we are the Bluebirds fans let's all unite behind the Club (including VT).

For me Tan has never apologised for the re-brand so therefore I have not forgiven him.

Saying that i won't say I would never forgive him. For that to happen he would have to go around every single fan Cardiff City home knock on their front door and apologise profusely.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.

i didnt need a reminder, the lights were partially put out on 0,0001% of our crowd .and yes it was interupted by lights flickering not noise.
as for the red brigade , the truth is i saw intimidation both ways. including an old fella at the end of the Brighton game being confronted and shoved by a boy in his 20s..the old fella had a red free scarf around his neck and shoulders but a blue one not so visible tucked into his coat.he was visbilbly shaken, threw both scarves to the floor and shouted sod this never again.{one of many minor incidents mostly at away games }.lets not pretend the bullying was just the one way
but anyway..the red has gone...the red brigade {if it ever existed } gone...all that remains are the toxic avengers..
and at this point in time id love to see a poll...who is doing the most damage...VT or the toxic avengers not that youd pay any attention to the result.

Toxic Avengers doing far more damage.

100% mate..
there is no red brigade insisting on wearing red and singing we will always be red....even VT turns up in Blue.
there is absolutely zero resistance to playing in Blue...but on they go...red seats ..debt { providing the transfer window isnt open }..wanting individual personal appologies .not wanting promotion while Tan is here .and best of the lot..he should be getting death threats....bonkers doesnt begin to describe it....but if i had stopped over the toxic atmosphere which i believe many did 2 years after the rebrand ,i doubt id be in a rush to come back reading this rubbish .

Yeah I want to see an apology Not expecting one though.

0.0001? You knpow that 0.25 of a person

ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.[/quote]


i didnt need a reminder, the lights were partially put out on 0,0001% of our crowd .and yes it was interupted by lights flickering not noise.
as for the red brigade , the truth is i saw intimidation both ways. including an old fella at the end of the Brighton game being confronted and shoved by a boy in his 20s..the old fella had a red free scarf around his neck and shoulders but a blue one not so visible tucked into his coat.he was visbilbly shaken, threw both scarves to the floor and shouted sod this never again.{one of many minor incidents mostly at away games }.lets not pretend the bullying was just the one way
but anyway..the red has gone...the red brigade {if it ever existed } gone...all that remains are the toxic avengers..
and at this point in time id love to see a poll...who is doing the most damage...VT or the toxic avengers not that youd pay any attention to the result.[/quote]

Toxic Avengers doing far more damage.[/quote]


100% mate..
there is no red brigade insisting on wearing red and singing we will always be red....even VT turns up in Blue.
there is absolutely zero resistance to playing in Blue...but on they go...red seats ..debt { providing the transfer window isnt open }..wanting individual personal appologies .not wanting promotion while Tan is here .and best of the lot..he should be getting death threats....bonkers doesnt begin to describe it....but if i had stopped over the toxic atmosphere which i believe many did 2 years after the rebrand ,i doubt id be in a rush to come back reading this rubbish .[/quote]

Yeah I want to see an apology Not expecting one though.

0.0001? You knpow that 0.25 of a person [/quote]


ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.[/quote]

4000 left due to the rebrand apparently

agree - how this man has the neck to parade himself around our stadium is beyond me. any other club with more attachment to history and tradition would be sending death threats.

in all fairness he could have tried to drown out ..we will always be blue by playing rugby songs over the tannoy..and didnt..should at least get some credit for that.?

What like turning out the lights?

the lights were turned out halfway through a game..?..i missed that.

I'll remind you.

BU held a demonstration after the Swansea game. Sky Sports were holding their after match interview when they were interrupted by a section of lights in the stadium being switched off. The section were BU were demonstrating.

The fact they did that and did nothing about the threats from the Red Brigade tells me he would have played these rugby songs if it would have benefitted him.

i didnt need a reminder, the lights were partially put out on 0,0001% of our crowd .and yes it was interupted by lights flickering not noise.
as for the red brigade , the truth is i saw intimidation both ways. including an old fella at the end of the Brighton game being confronted and shoved by a boy in his 20s..the old fella had a red free scarf around his neck and shoulders but a blue one not so visible tucked into his coat.he was visbilbly shaken, threw both scarves to the floor and shouted sod this never again.{one of many minor incidents mostly at away games }.lets not pretend the bullying was just the one way
but anyway..the red has gone...the red brigade {if it ever existed } gone...all that remains are the toxic avengers..
and at this point in time id love to see a poll...who is doing the most damage...VT or the toxic avengers not that youd pay any attention to the result.[/quote]

Toxic Avengers doing far more damage.[/quote]


100% mate..
there is no red brigade insisting on wearing red and singing we will always be red....even VT turns up in Blue.
there is absolutely zero resistance to playing in Blue...but on they go...red seats ..debt { providing the transfer window isnt open }..wanting individual personal appologies .not wanting promotion while Tan is here .and best of the lot..he should be getting death threats....bonkers doesnt begin to describe it....but if i had stopped over the toxic atmosphere which i believe many did 2 years after the rebrand ,i doubt id be in a rush to come back reading this rubbish .[/quote]

Yeah I want to see an apology Not expecting one though.

0.0001? You knpow that 0.25 of a person [/quote]


ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.[/quote]

4000 left due to the rebrand apparently[/quote]


yes i used the exact same ready reckoner...

ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.

Well if the poll is to go by anything and as said before I would say 20% after all these years is not an exaggeration to think the re-brands is a stigma on the club.

To call these 20% a toxic is very harsh in my opinion. Now those that sold out I can understand using such words.

ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.

Well if the poll is to go by anything and as said before I would say 20% after all these years is not an exaggeration to think the re-brands is a stigma on the club.

To call these 20% a toxic is very harsh in my opinion. Now those that sold out I can understand using such words.

He’s not saying the whole 20% are toxic just guys like you who constantly go on about it.

ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.

Well if the poll is to go by anything and as said before I would say 20% after all these years is not an exaggeration to think the re-brands is a stigma on the club.

To call these 20% a toxic is very harsh in my opinion. Now those that sold out I can understand using such words.

THOSE..
your included in THOSE THAT SOLD OUT if you attended..and there lies the problem..certain people believe everyone sold out except them..the heros..lol...

ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.

Well if the poll is to go by anything and as said before I would say 20% after all these years is not an exaggeration to think the re-brands is a stigma on the club.

To call these 20% a toxic is very harsh in my opinion. Now those that sold out I can understand using such words.

THOSE..
your included in THOSE THAT SOLD OUT if you attended..and there lies the problem..certain people believe everyone sold out except them..the heros..lol...

WE allowed it....all of us..you me everyone that attended..dont blame Tan, blame our fans,including yourself.

ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.

Well if the poll is to go by anything and as said before I would say 20% after all these years is not an exaggeration to think the re-brands is a stigma on the club.

To call these 20% a toxic is very harsh in my opinion. Now those that sold out I can understand using such words.

He’s not saying the whole 20% are toxic just guys like you who constantly go on about it.

only a sell ot would use the word toxic...?
personally i think using sell out constantly is divisive and toxic.

ok i exagerated by about minus 20 people...why not considering the toxic avengers regularly exagerate by thousands.

Well if the poll is to go by anything and as said before I would say 20% after all these years is not an exaggeration to think the re-brands is a stigma on the club.

To call these 20% a toxic is very harsh in my opinion. Now those that sold out I can understand using such words.

THOSE..
your included in THOSE THAT SOLD OUT if you attended..and there lies the problem..certain people believe everyone sold out except them..the heros..lol...

WE allowed it....all of us..you me everyone that attended..dont blame Tan, blame our fans,including yourself.

ah I see now trying to put it onto those that made a stand hey to cover your own none existent stand.

Yes I continued to support the team and would not get bullied out. Beginning to think you are osmeones love child.

Lets move on

I have followed this with interest and read every persons post, every fan is entitled to their opinion and should be respected what ever they feel

I don't need to say how I feel its been said enough times but I would rather just concentrate on the team for now

Still more than quarter don't forgive Tan 27% :blue scarf:

I am not going to get involved in more debates on Tan, I have done it to death, so this is my only post in this Topic

I have followed this with interest and read every persons post, every fan is entitled to their opinion and should be respected what ever they feel

I don't need to say how I feel its been said enough times but I would rather just concentrate on the team for now

Still more than quarter don't forgive Tan 27% :blue scarf:



I am not going to get involved in more debates on Tan, I have done it to death, so this is my only post in this Topic

But almost three quarters do. 73%.

I bet you expected less than that Annis.

Red Tuesday? never