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Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:52 pm

Warnock as done extremely well with his squad to date - we have suffered to the loss of key players of late and now the cracks have appeared showing the strength that are presently missing such as Morrison a great leader on the pitch - controller of midfield and he recently gave a speech that he's his on the mend but still a few weeks away from returning Gunnarson also another strong player badly missed - A lot of people work there socks off behind the scenes at the club who don't get enough praise that make our club so special from the very bottom to the top but over the last few season all I get told is the stewards throughout the stadium who are not interested in football have no passion act like Hitler's have made families, elderly lads and lasses experience an unwanted return ( someone should do an undercover report throughout the ground and expose the experiences the fans are actually receiving as I believe this is more likely the reason for low attendances than the rebrand IMO - The rebrand was a personal thing to promote a foreign country more than the club wishes behind the heart and soul of the club FANS and its own country and full history -

Massive clubs such as Man City - Everton - Chelsea all have foreign owners and have never interfered with their clubs history or colours - so this was the biggest ever mistake by our owner who was badly led by all the greedy people bowing and robbing him blind -

He as spent Millions on our club and kept us trading whilst others nearly sent us bust

- Some respect must be given for this alone but the red brigade were happy to keep taking and filling their pockets while the hard-core suffered and stayed strong where history and culture was everything under the Blue Birds

( Hoping for a brighter 2018 with all city faithful fans singing off the same hymn sheet -)

:bluescarf: :bluebird:


Happy New Year all :occasion5:

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:11 pm

Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
psw78 wrote:
skiprat wrote:Only exist because of tan?. He shut the club Cardiff city the bluebirdsdown for 2and a half years.do you blame me for not going and watching him pose with the red brigade.?.


Without Tan, the club would have been shut down before he even had a chance to turn us red. I assume you remember the out of control debt, winding up orders and court cases that have gone away since Tan got on board.

I have a season ticket and do a 250 mile round trip to games because I support Cardiff City - not because I’m part of a so called ‘red brigade’.


This.


Neil, lots of selective memories who only want to admit to the bits (usually negatives) that suit them. The real 'supporters' stayed despite the horrid rebrand and eventually it got overturned. That, surely, was the time to move on and take the club forward rather than bleating on about what no longer applies?

The security of the club's future was pretty much non-existent before Vincent Tan (a non-football man, so there was bound to be some naivety) came in from the blue to rescue us. He made mistakes (two massive ones in the red rebrand and the apparent 'dissing' of the club's fans) but I believe he has learned lessons whether they are genuine or just a tool to get supporters back on board to make the club more saleable.

Either way, he won't be here forever and when he goes, the club itself will be in a far better position than when he arrived and it's up to the backward looking fans to decide of they want to move on or constantly and negatively keep referring to things they cannot change, i.e. the past! ;)


The post of 2017!!!!

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:47 pm

Either way, he won't be here forever and when he goes, the club itself will be in a far better position than when he arrived and it's up to the backward looking fans to decide of they want to move on or constantly and negatively keep referring to things they cannot change, i.e. the past! ;)


how you do figure that out? before tan we were already competing at the top end of the table with around £30m of debt wasn't it? i wonder what the debt is now! how much did the new stand cost (which we are likely to never regularly need).

warnock has papered over the cracks since he sorted the footballing side of things out, but that is independent of tan's running of the club behind the scenes. just as the glazers couldn't reasonably take credit for the outperformance of the team under fergie, neither can tan of warnock.

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:50 pm

northernbluebird wrote:
Either way, he won't be here forever and when he goes, the club itself will be in a far better position than when he arrived and it's up to the backward looking fans to decide of they want to move on or constantly and negatively keep referring to things they cannot change, i.e. the past! ;)


how you do figure that out? before tan we were already competing at the top end of the table with around £30m of debt wasn't it? i wonder what the debt is now! how much did the new stand cost (which we are likely to never regularly need).

warnock has papered over the cracks since he sorted the footballing side of things out, but that is independent of tan's running of the club behind the scenes. just as the glazers couldn't reasonably take credit for the outperformance of the team under fergie, neither can tan of warnock.


We were in court in the process of being wound up when Tan stopped it happening. History not your strong point?

The new stand wasn't funded by the the club either it was a grant for hosting the super cup.

Tan has said he'll leave the club debt free.

Your whole post is completely flawed.

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:10 pm

Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
psw78 wrote:
skiprat wrote:Only exist because of tan?. He shut the club Cardiff city the bluebirdsdown for 2and a half years.do you blame me for not going and watching him pose with the red brigade.?.


Without Tan, the club would have been shut down before he even had a chance to turn us red. I assume you remember the out of control debt, winding up orders and court cases that have gone away since Tan got on board.

I have a season ticket and do a 250 mile round trip to games because I support Cardiff City - not because I’m part of a so called ‘red brigade’.


This.


Neil, lots of selective memories who only want to admit to the bits (usually negatives) that suit them. The real 'supporters' stayed despite the horrid rebrand and eventually it got overturned. That, surely, was the time to move on and take the club forward rather than bleating on about what no longer applies?

The security of the club's future was pretty much non-existent before Vincent Tan (a non-football man, so there was bound to be some naivety) came in from the blue to rescue us. He made mistakes (two massive ones in the red rebrand and the apparent 'dissing' of the club's fans) but I believe he has learned lessons whether they are genuine or just a tool to get supporters back on board to make the club more saleable.

Either way, he won't be here forever and when he goes, the club itself will be in a far better position than when he arrived and it's up to the backward looking fans to decide of they want to move on or constantly and negatively keep referring to things they cannot change, i.e. the past! ;)


Well I for one have probably been one of Tan's biggest critics and I hated the rebrand with a passion but, I continued to attend games despite hating all of the Premiership season. I've never subscribed to the view that we should be grateful for Mr Tan for investing in the club and bailing us out because he didn't do it out of altruism. If that was the case then of course he deserved heaps of credit. He saw an opportunity and basically it became a business partnership; he gave us something we needed i.e money and we have him something he needed at the time i.e. the kudos of owning a soon to be Premiership club at an affordable price. There was also the small matter of the millions he was expecting to make in South East Asia through merchandising the "Red Dragon" brand. His plans were shown to be naïve at best and utter folly if he had persisted.

However, I agree entirely with your post. I believe just about everyone deserves a second chance and in fairness the man appears to have learned from his mistakes and is managing the club with respect and responsibility. He's returned us to blue and, after silly mistakes in the past he has installed one of the best Championship managers of all time at our club. He even turned up recently to see us recently wearing a blue top! Respect!

Whilst I'll never treat the man as some sort of God for saving our bacon and give him the adulation he craves, I am not that crass to deny he deserves our respect and maybe forgiveness. There's no point in being twisted and bitter over something long gone and everyone can make mistakes. That's why I think a show of support for Tan would help everyone to move on, heal the differences and make our club stronger. Who knows it might help Tan put more money into the club.

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:29 pm

City Slicker wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
psw78 wrote:
skiprat wrote:Only exist because of tan?. He shut the club Cardiff city the bluebirdsdown for 2and a half years.do you blame me for not going and watching him pose with the red brigade.?.


Without Tan, the club would have been shut down before he even had a chance to turn us red. I assume you remember the out of control debt, winding up orders and court cases that have gone away since Tan got on board.

I have a season ticket and do a 250 mile round trip to games because I support Cardiff City - not because I’m part of a so called ‘red brigade’.


This.


Neil, lots of selective memories who only want to admit to the bits (usually negatives) that suit them. The real 'supporters' stayed despite the horrid rebrand and eventually it got overturned. That, surely, was the time to move on and take the club forward rather than bleating on about what no longer applies?

The security of the club's future was pretty much non-existent before Vincent Tan (a non-football man, so there was bound to be some naivety) came in from the blue to rescue us. He made mistakes (two massive ones in the red rebrand and the apparent 'dissing' of the club's fans) but I believe he has learned lessons whether they are genuine or just a tool to get supporters back on board to make the club more saleable.

Either way, he won't be here forever and when he goes, the club itself will be in a far better position than when he arrived and it's up to the backward looking fans to decide of they want to move on or constantly and negatively keep referring to things they cannot change, i.e. the past! ;)


Well I for one have probably been one of Tan's biggest critics and I hated the rebrand with a passion but, I continued to attend games despite hating all of the Premiership season. I've never subscribed to the view that we should be grateful for Mr Tan for investing in the club and bailing us out because he didn't do it out of altruism. If that was the case then of course he deserved heaps of credit. He saw an opportunity and basically it became a business partnership; he gave us something we needed i.e money and we have him something he needed at the time i.e. the kudos of owning a soon to be Premiership club at an affordable price. There was also the small matter of the millions he was expecting to make in South East Asia through merchandising the "Red Dragon" brand. His plans were shown to be naïve at best and utter folly if he had persisted.

However, I agree entirely with your post. I believe just about everyone deserves a second chance and in fairness the man appears to have learned from his mistakes and is managing the club with respect and responsibility. He's returned us to blue and, after silly mistakes in the past he has installed one of the best Championship managers of all time at our club. He even turned up recently to see us recently wearing a blue top! Respect!

Whilst I'll never treat the man as some sort of God for saving our bacon and give him the adulation he craves, I am not that crass to deny he deserves our respect and maybe forgiveness. There's no point in being twisted and bitter over something long gone and everyone can make mistakes. That's why I think a show of support for Tan would help everyone to move on, heal the differences and make our club stronger. Who knows it might help Tan put more money into the club.


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Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:48 pm

northernbluebird wrote:
Either way, he won't be here forever and when he goes, the club itself will be in a far better position than when he arrived and it's up to the backward looking fans to decide of they want to move on or constantly and negatively keep referring to things they cannot change, i.e. the past! ;)


how you do figure that out? before tan we were already competing at the top end of the table with around £30m of debt wasn't it? i wonder what the debt is now! how much did the new stand cost (which we are likely to never regularly need).

warnock has papered over the cracks since he sorted the footballing side of things out, but that is independent of tan's running of the club behind the scenes. just as the glazers couldn't reasonably take credit for the outperformance of the team under fergie, neither can tan of warnock.

Sorry, but that single post shows how little you know about football as a business! :roll: :oops:

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:56 pm

Sven wrote:
northernbluebird wrote:
Either way, he won't be here forever and when he goes, the club itself will be in a far better position than when he arrived and it's up to the backward looking fans to decide of they want to move on or constantly and negatively keep referring to things they cannot change, i.e. the past! ;)


how you do figure that out? before tan we were already competing at the top end of the table with around £30m of debt wasn't it? i wonder what the debt is now! how much did the new stand cost (which we are likely to never regularly need).

warnock has papered over the cracks since he sorted the footballing side of things out, but that is independent of tan's running of the club behind the scenes. just as the glazers couldn't reasonably take credit for the outperformance of the team under fergie, neither can tan of warnock.

Sorry, but that single post shows how little you know about football as a business! :roll: :oops:


Am I allowed to call him a clown. He has a bike and face paint and everything.

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:12 pm

The first hiccup of the season and we have the same posters doing the usual Tan bashing. It's pathetic and surely we as a club should now be united as one.

I walked away for 5 seasons and now I'm back and enjoying it so surely lets all enjoy it. :bluescarf: :ayatollah: :bluebird:

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:41 am

Its the old story , how we hate Tan but thats not the only reason for low attendances,but all those points have been raised here ,however Mr Tan or as Neil calles him Vincent ,,, owns the club ,maybe without him it wouldnt be in existence.
Is it so bad :old:

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:41 am

Time to move on post rebrand. If he honours his word we will be in a good place. What mallo said rings true about the stewards, that’s ripe for a hidden camera documentary if ever I saw one. Surely someone can sort that out. Is it right to have stewards who hate the fans, they should all be fans surely.

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:09 pm

goats wrote:Time to move on post rebrand. If he honours his word we will be in a good place. What mallo said rings true about the stewards, that’s ripe for a hidden camera documentary if ever I saw one. Surely someone can sort that out. Is it right to have stewards who hate the fans, they should all be fans surely.



Your spot on regarding our Stewards and of course their Master.

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:24 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Vincent Tan at the Cardiff City Stadium Tonight.



Vincent Tan tonight said to Mallo:

"I'M BLUE NOW, WHERE'S THE FANS?"


My Reply, "Tan its because you turned our Club the Despicable Red,many of the True fans Disappeared ." :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



What an idiotic statement to say "True fans disappeared". True fans would not disappear, they would follow Cardiff City FC through thick and thin like I have for years. For gods sake give up this rebranding excuse. :bluescarf: :bluebird:

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:23 pm

Bluesman wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Vincent Tan at the Cardiff City Stadium Tonight.



Vincent Tan tonight said to Mallo:

"I'M BLUE NOW, WHERE'S THE FANS?"


My Reply, "Tan its because you turned our Club the Despicable Red,many of the True fans Disappeared ." :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



What an idiotic statement to say "True fans disappeared". True fans would not disappear, they would follow Cardiff City FC through thick and thin like I have for years. For gods sake give up this rebranding excuse. :bluescarf: :bluebird:


True fans took a stance regarding our identity some walked away and some decided to stay and fight for our identity, that is their right and belief and I respect those who do both, not those who wore Red and endorsed it. :bluescarf:

You should Resoect what fans did as Identity to them and me is everything, u need to change your username :lol:

And yes fans still say they won’t return under Tan, if that’s how they feel u should respect them as to some they were hurt more than many realise and taunted, beaten up.

Anyway all this has been done over and over, I’m just interested in Warnock and the team now :thumbright: :bluebird:



Great I must know you if uve never stopped going No matter what :thumbright:

By the way change that name :lol: :bluescarf:

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:25 pm

Charlie Harper wrote:The first hiccup of the season and we have the same posters doing the usual Tan bashing. It's pathetic and surely we as a club should now be united as one.

I walked away for 5 seasons and now I'm back and enjoying it so surely lets all enjoy it. :bluescarf: :ayatollah: :bluebird:



This has nothing to do with the result, it was just put out what Tan said :thumbright: :bluescarf:

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:28 pm

Bluesman wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Vincent Tan at the Cardiff City Stadium Tonight.



Vincent Tan tonight said to Mallo:

"I'M BLUE NOW, WHERE'S THE FANS?"


My Reply, "Tan its because you turned our Club the Despicable Red,many of the True fans Disappeared ." :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



What an idiotic statement to say "True fans disappeared". True fans would not disappear, they would follow Cardiff City FC through thick and thin like I have for years. For gods sake give up this rebranding excuse. :bluescarf: :bluebird:


There used to be six of us who rarely missed a game for well over 40 years. I would call us all huge City fans. There are now two regulars, sometimes three of us. The three who dropped out stopped when we changed to red. They got used to doing other things and have not returned (apart from one who attends the odd game). I don't see how this is an idiotic statement just because the poster's opinion is different to yours. I don't know why our fanbase seems to have dropped, probably more than one reason for it, but I have no doubt a few long term hardened City supporters have yet to return following the re-brand.

Re: ' Vincent Tan Tonight Said '

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:34 pm

WelshPatriot wrote:
northernbluebird wrote:
Either way, he won't be here forever and when he goes, the club itself will be in a far better position than when he arrived and it's up to the backward looking fans to decide of they want to move on or constantly and negatively keep referring to things they cannot change, i.e. the past! ;)


how you do figure that out? before tan we were already competing at the top end of the table with around £30m of debt wasn't it? i wonder what the debt is now! how much did the new stand cost (which we are likely to never regularly need).

warnock has papered over the cracks since he sorted the footballing side of things out, but that is independent of tan's running of the club behind the scenes. just as the glazers couldn't reasonably take credit for the outperformance of the team under fergie, neither can tan of warnock.


We were in court in the process of being wound up when Tan stopped it happening. History not your strong point?

The new stand wasn't funded by the the club either it was a grant for hosting the super cup.

Tan has said he'll leave the club debt free.

Your whole post is completely flawed.



I'm not a Tan fan but those are facts. I still however would have taken the risk and said NO to the rebrand.

Whoever funded the 'red elephant' it should not have been build from a CCFC perspective. We wouldn't sell it out even if we went to the Premier league bar a few games.