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It's a huge 'opportunity' for their wealthy chums and American friends... Jeremy hunt even wrote a book about it!
She said she plans to implement the Naylor reports guidelines which is a huge fire sale of all the NHS lands and assets. They've underfunded it to almost breaking point.
The conservatives never wanted it in the first place, it is DEFINITELY under threat!

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

As the above poster said the Tory minister for health wrote a book about privatising the NHS, he may not have the backing of the party, but why would anyone trust a party that makes someone like Hunt minister for health?

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

As the above poster said the Tory minister for health wrote a book about privatising the NHS, he may not have the backing of the party, but why would anyone trust a party that makes someone like Hunt minister for health?

When it comes to MP's not backing their leader, from what I recall Corbyn was not exactly flavour of the month with Labour MP's when the leadership election took place. In fact, some resigned.

Wez isn't racist, he's just English,

Wrong Cardiff born

Come off it.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

As the above poster said the Tory minister for health wrote a book about privatising the NHS, he may not have the backing of the party, but why would anyone trust a party that makes someone like Hunt minister for health?

When it comes to MP's not backing their leader, from what I recall Corbyn was not exactly flavour of the month with Labour MP's when the leadership election took place. In fact, some resigned.

It's almost insane to think that a large majority of the leave voters voted leave purely on the basis that it would save our NHS.. Those same voters are now happy to vote Tory, and demolish the national health service. You couldn't make it up.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

As the above poster said the Tory minister for health wrote a book about privatising the NHS, he may not have the backing of the party, but why would anyone trust a party that makes someone like Hunt minister for health?

When it comes to MP's not backing their leader, from what I recall Corbyn was not exactly flavour of the month with Labour MP's when the leadership election took place. In fact, some resigned.

It's almost insane to think that a large majority of the leave voters voted leave purely on the basis that it would save our NHS.. Those same voters are now happy to vote Tory, and demolish the national health service. You couldn't make it up.

I think uncontrolled immigration was the reason I heard used most.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

As the above poster said the Tory minister for health wrote a book about privatising the NHS, he may not have the backing of the party, but why would anyone trust a party that makes someone like Hunt minister for health?

When it comes to MP's not backing their leader, from what I recall Corbyn was not exactly flavour of the month with Labour MP's when the leadership election took place. In fact, some resigned.

It's almost insane to think that a large majority of the leave voters voted leave purely on the basis that it would save our NHS.. Those same voters are now happy to vote Tory, and demolish the national health service. You couldn't make it up.

the NHS has more spent on it now than it ever has. something that will continue year on year no matter who is in power.
you do realise that should parts of the NHS be privatised..it still means the government pick up the tab.?
its just a diference of opinion of how to get best value for money for us/the government..
surely isnt not impossible that a privatised department of the NHS might be more efficient.?
as scare mongering goes..because it can only be scare mongering..this is a piss poor attempt.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

As the above poster said the Tory minister for health wrote a book about privatising the NHS, he may not have the backing of the party, but why would anyone trust a party that makes someone like Hunt minister for health?

When it comes to MP's not backing their leader, from what I recall Corbyn was not exactly flavour of the month with Labour MP's when the leadership election took place. In fact, some resigned.

It's almost insane to think that a large majority of the leave voters voted leave purely on the basis that it would save our NHS.. Those same voters are now happy to vote Tory, and demolish the national health service. You couldn't make it up.

the NHS has more spent on it now than it ever has. something that will continue year on year no matter who is in power.
you do realise that should parts of the NHS be privatised..it still means the government pick up the tab.?
its just a diference of opinion of how to get best value for money for us/the government..
surely isnt not impossible that a privatised department of the NHS might be more efficient.?
as scare mongering goes..because it can only be scare mongering..this is a piss poor attempt.

I've said before whoever gets in is going to face some tricky decisions with the NHS. The population is growing, we are living longer, and money does'nt grow on trees. We could probably live in a perfect world if we were prepared to lose half our wages in tax. Usually, the people who moan most about public services and the NHS are the same people who will moan if they see their wages docked more to pay for them.

The NHS has more spent on it now than it ever has. something that will continue year on year no matter who is in power. you do realise that should parts of the NHS be privatised..it still means the government pick up the tab.?
its just a diference of opinion of how to get best value for money for us/the government..
surely isnt not impossible that a privatised department of the NHS might be more efficient.?
as scare mongering goes..because it can only be scare mongering..this is a piss poor attempt.

When it comes to privatised departments it depends on how you class 'efficiency' by lives saved or money made?

I've said before whoever gets in is going to face some tricky decisions with the NHS. The population is growing, we are living longer, and money does'nt grow on trees. We could probably live in a perfect world if we were prepared to lose half our wages in tax. Usually, the people who moan most about public services and the NHS are the same people who will moan if they see their wages docked more to pay for them.

And the biggest moaners? Those who pay Corporation Tax and Top Rate of Income Tax i.e. the wealthy.

Makes me sick they are happy to reap the benefits of a civilised society by becoming million/billionaires but won't pay their fair share to keep society civilised.

The NHS has more spent on it now than it ever has. something that will continue year on year no matter who is in power. you do realise that should parts of the NHS be privatised..it still means the government pick up the tab.?
its just a diference of opinion of how to get best value for money for us/the government..
surely isnt not impossible that a privatised department of the NHS might be more efficient.?
as scare mongering goes..because it can only be scare mongering..this is a piss poor attempt.

When it comes to privatised departments it depends on how you class 'efficiency' by lives saved or money made?

of course..but thats it Tony..who is to say that it being private will make it more dangerous.? id imagine poor service resulting in deaths would also bring law suits
its actually a cross party thing with advocates for private departments in health care on all sides.
i dont even think the NHS should be political as both parties fail misserably while the other {in opposition } attacks its failure to solve the rubik cube they failed at themselves.
unless and until there is a consensus by us the public to pay far more than we do now the NHS is always playing catch up with waiting lists.

I've said before whoever gets in is going to face some tricky decisions with the NHS. The population is growing, we are living longer, and money does'nt grow on trees. We could probably live in a perfect world if we were prepared to lose half our wages in tax. Usually, the people who moan most about public services and the NHS are the same people who will moan if they see their wages docked more to pay for them.

And the biggest moaners? Those who pay Corporation Tax and Top Rate of Income Tax i.e. the wealthy.

Makes me sick they are happy to reap the benefits of a civilised society by becoming million/billionaires but won't pay their fair share to keep society civilised.

i havent seen these corporations doing any moaning tbh. they will just do whats best for them financially as all businesses do across the world. wait for the outcome then act accordingly.
some have pointed out whats previously happened when tax gets risen as has been done in this thread.
and i think you are of an age where you remember this being the case previously.
only this time we have the added component of brexit...so lets make the UK less atractive.no

The NHS has more spent on it now than it ever has. something that will continue year on year no matter who is in power. you do realise that should parts of the NHS be privatised..it still means the government pick up the tab.?
its just a diference of opinion of how to get best value for money for us/the government..
surely isnt not impossible that a privatised department of the NHS might be more efficient.?
as scare mongering goes..because it can only be scare mongering..this is a piss poor attempt.

When it comes to privatised departments it depends on how you class 'efficiency' by lives saved or money made?

of course..but thats it Tony..who is to say that it being private will make it more dangerous.? id imagine poor service resulting in deaths would also bring law suits
its actually a cross party thing with advocates for private departments in health care on all sides.
i dont even think the NHS should be political as both parties fail misserably while the other {in opposition } attacks its failure to solve the rubik cube they failed at themselves.
unless and until there is a consensus by us the public to pay far more than we do now the NHS is always playing catch up with waiting lists.

I have the same opinion, I don't believe the NHS should be used as a political football. I blame all parties in this, whoever is in power whether it be Labour or Conservative, they are equally as bad as one another when they play the politics game with the NHS. Neither of them have found the ideal way to ensure we have an efficient service for many years to come, and it will be a major problem for whoever wins next week.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

As the above poster said the Tory minister for health wrote a book about privatising the NHS, he may not have the backing of the party, but why would anyone trust a party that makes someone like Hunt minister for health?

When it comes to MP's not backing their leader, from what I recall Corbyn was not exactly flavour of the month with Labour MP's when the leadership election took place. In fact, some resigned.

It's almost insane to think that a large majority of the leave voters voted leave purely on the basis that it would save our NHS.. Those same voters are now happy to vote Tory, and demolish the national health service. You couldn't make it up.

the NHS has more spent on it now than it ever has. something that will continue year on year no matter who is in power.
you do realise that should parts of the NHS be privatised..it still means the government pick up the tab.?
its just a diference of opinion of how to get best value for money for us/the government..
surely isnt not impossible that a privatised department of the NHS might be more efficient.?
as scare mongering goes..because it can only be scare mongering..this is a piss poor attempt.

Only because demand has risen. It's still massively underfunded. It doesn't go on how much is paid in to the NHS, it's how much it needs is what's important. So on the back of that, who is proposing the better plan? Because the Tories certainly aren't. How would you know that a privitised department of the NHS could be more efficient? what can back up that theory?

Privatisation puts profits before patients

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I see no mention anywhere of making us pay for private insurance or anything even close to it.

As the above poster said the Tory minister for health wrote a book about privatising the NHS, he may not have the backing of the party, but why would anyone trust a party that makes someone like Hunt minister for health?

When it comes to MP's not backing their leader, from what I recall Corbyn was not exactly flavour of the month with Labour MP's when the leadership election took place. In fact, some resigned.

It's almost insane to think that a large majority of the leave voters voted leave purely on the basis that it would save our NHS.. Those same voters are now happy to vote Tory, and demolish the national health service. You couldn't make it up.

the NHS has more spent on it now than it ever has. something that will continue year on year no matter who is in power.
you do realise that should parts of the NHS be privatised..it still means the government pick up the tab.?
its just a diference of opinion of how to get best value for money for us/the government..
surely isnt not impossible that a privatised department of the NHS might be more efficient.?
as scare mongering goes..because it can only be scare mongering..this is a piss poor attempt.

Only because demand has risen. It's still massively underfunded. It doesn't go on how much is paid in to the NHS, it's how much it needs is what's important. So on the back of that, who is proposing the better plan? Because the Tories certainly aren't. How would you know that a privitised department of the NHS could be more efficient? what can back up that theory?

please read through my posts....SURELY ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE THAT A PRIVATISED DEPARTMENT OF THE NHS MIGHT BE MORE EFFICIENT......there is no claim made in there to back up.
my point is your being critical and judging before its even happened..
there are actually pros and cons and its not just tory mps that consider it being a wise move..or ALLtories for that mater.
and yes 37billion. funded by taxes on those high earners . taxes that most independant experts predict just wont be collected.
and in fact is backed up historically.. one of the first things Thatcher did was lower the top end and collected more tax by doing so. and since that lesson neither party has attempted to hike it up.

The Tory are underfunding the NHS, the fact it is receiving the most funding it has ever received doesn't stop it from being under funded.

Take into account inflation meaning £1 today is worth less than it was 5 years ago

Secondly take into account demand as demand has increased the tories haven't increased investment enough to match it.

Lastly think about this why when you go on Facebook or other forms of social media do you see videos of doctors and NHS workers begging us to not vote Conservative, they're not asking you to vote for anyone just not Conservative. To me doctors are some of the most trust worthy people in this country and maybe it's time we started to listen to them

The Tory are underfunding the NHS, the fact it is receiving the most funding it has ever received doesn't stop it from being under funded.

Take into account inflation meaning £1 today is worth less than it was 5 years ago

Secondly take into account demand as demand has increased the tories haven't increased investment enough to match it.

Lastly think about this why when you go on Facebook or other forms of social media do you see videos of doctors and NHS workers begging us to not vote Conservative, they're not asking you to vote for anyone just not Conservative. To me doctors are some of the most trust worthy people in this country and maybe it's time we started to listen to them

The NHS has been underfunded ever since i became interested in politics over 40 years back. Irrespective of which party have been in power, the NHS has always been a constant source of discussion.

As it should be the NHS is one of the best things this country has and it would be a crime to lose it. In my personally opinion the party that can protect it best is Labour.

As it should be the NHS is one of the best things this country has and it would be a crime to lose it. In my personally opinion the party that can protect it best is Labour.

or infact hurt it the most.
you give all these pay increases. employ more. slash waiting lists...then find out those extra taxes you banked on havent happened.
redundancies..closures. longer waiting lists..opps cancelled.
labour are promising money that at the moment just isnt real money. its money they think they can collect that history suggests they will not.

As it should be the NHS is one of the best things this country has and it would be a crime to lose it. In my personally opinion the party that can protect it best is Labour.

or infact hurt it the most.
you give all these pay increases. employ more. slash waiting lists...then find out those extra taxes you banked on havent happened.
redundancies..closures. longer waiting lists..opps cancelled.
labour are promising money that at the moment just isnt real money. its money they think they can collect that history suggests they will not.

I understand where your coming from but raising taxes does raise money and that is something that can't be argued with, cutting down on tax avoidance also makes sure that it is collected.

I believe that we should be spending more on our public services. As a nation I believe we spend less than most countries of our GDP

As it should be the NHS is one of the best things this country has and it would be a crime to lose it. In my personally opinion the party that can protect it best is Labour.

or infact hurt it the most.
you give all these pay increases. employ more. slash waiting lists...then find out those extra taxes you banked on havent happened.
redundancies..closures. longer waiting lists..opps cancelled.
labour are promising money that at the moment just isnt real money. its money they think they can collect that history suggests they will not.

I understand where your coming from but raising taxes does raise money and that is something that can't be argued with, cutting down on tax avoidance also makes sure that it is collected.

I believe that we should be spending more on our public services. As a nation I believe we spend less than most countries of our GDP

raising taxes only collects more money in theory. reality has always proved differently.
invariably when the money is spent and reality kicks in that all this upper end earner and corporate tax not happening those on P.A.Y.E.{you and i }that will pick up the slack. its the only sure way of collecting tax is the truth.

As it should be the NHS is one of the best things this country has and it would be a crime to lose it. In my personally opinion the party that can protect it best is Labour.

or infact hurt it the most.
you give all these pay increases. employ more. slash waiting lists...then find out those extra taxes you banked on havent happened.
redundancies..closures. longer waiting lists..opps cancelled.
labour are promising money that at the moment just isnt real money. its money they think they can collect that history suggests they will not.

I understand where your coming from but raising taxes does raise money and that is something that can't be argued with, cutting down on tax avoidance also makes sure that it is collected.

I believe that we should be spending more on our public services. As a nation I believe we spend less than most countries of our GDP

raising taxes only collects more money in theory. reality has always proved differently.
invariably when the money is spent and reality kicks in that all this upper end earner and corporate tax not happening those on P.A.Y.E.{you and i }that will pick up the slack. its the only sure way of collecting tax is the truth.

Totally agree that in practice things are more difficult but that's where lope holes and offshore accounts need to be dealt with. The Labour government are saying they are going to tackle tax avoidance and that is something very important in my eyes

As it should be the NHS is one of the best things this country has and it would be a crime to lose it. In my personally opinion the party that can protect it best is Labour.

or infact hurt it the most.
you give all these pay increases. employ more. slash waiting lists...then find out those extra taxes you banked on havent happened.
redundancies..closures. longer waiting lists..opps cancelled.
labour are promising money that at the moment just isnt real money. its money they think they can collect that history suggests they will not.

I understand where your coming from but raising taxes does raise money and that is something that can't be argued with, cutting down on tax avoidance also makes sure that it is collected.

I believe that we should be spending more on our public services. As a nation I believe we spend less than most countries of our GDP

raising taxes only collects more money in theory. reality has always proved differently.
invariably when the money is spent and reality kicks in that all this upper end earner and corporate tax not happening those on P.A.Y.E.{you and i }that will pick up the slack. its the only sure way of collecting tax is the truth.

Totally agree that in practice things are more difficult but that's where lope holes and offshore accounts need to be dealt with. The Labour government are saying they are going to tackle tax avoidance and that is something very important in my eyes

no doubt the tories have tried too. the real world is somewhat different to the ideal world jeremy constantly talks about..

It's not often I agree with tired old Theresa but in fairness she has hit on the central point of this election. It's a choice between Strong and Stable Corbyn and Weak and Wobbly May. The man towers over her in intellect and personality, not to mention humanity and humility. If it's a choice between a rock and a jelly then he's light years ahead.

It's not often I agree with tired old Theresa but in fairness she has hit on the central point of this election. It's a choice between Strong and Stable Corbyn and Weak and Wobbly May. The man towers over her in intellect and personality, not to mention humanity and humility. If it's a choice between a rock and a jelly then he's light years ahead.

did you know a nuclear bomb would kill millions...his response to being under nuclear attack...ffs
intellect
i assume you are one of the people who needed that explaine then

It's not often I agree with tired old Theresa but in fairness she has hit on the central point of this election. It's a choice between Strong and Stable Corbyn and Weak and Wobbly May. The man towers over her in intellect and personality, not to mention humanity and humility. If it's a choice between a rock and a jelly then he's light years ahead.

did you know a nuclear bomb would kill millions...his response to being under nuclear attack...ffs
intellect
i assume you are one of the people who needed that explaine then

No Fido that did not pass me by. I think he referenced that for the Tory dimwits like you who don't seem to realise nuclear war means annihilation. Or would you prefer a pyrrhic victory. While we're at it, I'll wager you're one of these climate change deniers too. You seem the type.

How can we spend more - we don't earn enough already.

We're £1.7 trillion in debt, and the answer "lets borrow so we can spend some more, its free"...

Corbyn is lying through his arse, in fact they all are, not one them has mentioned the parlous state of the Nations finances.

Liam Byrne understood this, about the only time he ever told the truth.

Good Luck!