Donald Tump, making his mark?

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Thank you for your input to the debate I'm against abortion unless it's for medical reason obviously your not with a response like that[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

A woman gets raped, in Wez's world she can't have an abortion because it's not a medical situation.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
That's different and you know that ffs I'll spell it out then people who get knocked up don't use contraception and think it's OK to have multiple abortion s like it's going g out of fashion is that better ffs[/quote]

No it's not. This is exactly the funding Trump has pulled the plug on. American organizations, spreading information and helping women who are raped by the likes of ISIS.
Thankfully other nations step up to the plate when needed. Like to think others would do the same for us, and for you. Again you don't know your head from your ass..

Your general ignorance make me sad Wez.

You can get help for your mental illness

You mean my general respect for humanity, and will to seek knowledge? Yes I can. But it seems you are limited with options, sadly..

Liberal rhetoric doesn't solve anything nor does making silly put down remarks. If you have gathered so much knowledge then what is your suggestion to help the Syrians and others?

I personally do-not think debunking whole populations to the west is a good idea because it will cause untold social problems and put huge pressure on public services as well as giving opportunities to organisations such as Islamic State to import terrorists into countries where they could carry out Paris or Nice type carnage.

There is nothing more 'ignorant' than denying a problem which clearly exists and puts us all at possible danger.

I don't claim to have a wealth of knowledge, I said I'm seeking knowledge. A generall pragmatic approach to life.. Big difference.. Wez was given basic information to support his own conspiracy. Honestly, he makes me sad, and I now know he is one of the dumbest feckers on here..
As to your solution for the women and children suffering in Syria. I don't have it. But if a person in need knock on my door, I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way. And I believe in individuality. Not generalization of populations, and I don't let fear rule my life..

I don't normally have big issues with your writings but his last post made me smile with its incredulity...

Quote (Scandinavianbluebird): "I don't tell them to feck off. I will help them. I won't let them move in. But I will take care of them, and help them on their way."

So, if you won't let them "move in" and are happy to see them "on their way", how does that make you any different than some of the members you are belittling above?

From where I'm reading this thread, it appears that most people want to help the troubled Syrians (and any other struggling nation's peoples) to improve their circumstances but they want a 'local' solution and not a solution that sees their peoples (good and bad) shipped all over the world like some British social experiment from the 50's and 60's that saw age-old communities split up and reformed with no other logic than "we think it's best for you"

You also state (quote): "And I believe in individuality."; yet you so clearly don't when Wez (and others) isn't aloud to have an individual opinion that differs from your own [/quote]
What I mean by that Sven, I don't have room in my household either. But they can stay, until we find a safe and good enough solution to the problem. Like when the crises became critical, our country build up refuge shelters, in Norway rapidly. We did that, knowing we couldn't provide the humanitarian help in Syria. It was a warzone after all. The plan was to integrate what our society could handle, and help them rebuild a safe society in their own country. This is providing necessary humanitarian help. We pump huge bulks of our national budget to do this, and I'm happy we do. If that makes you chuckle, I'm fine by that. Personally I pay more taxes than welsh general income to support this, and I'm fine by that to..Many of the other points of government mismanagement, is a debate well worth having, but they are two separate issues. But this is not what Trump is doing. He is denying humanitarian help, on suspicion of everyone being a terrorist. Totally different ballgame.
As for belittling Wez. Yes, i shouldn't have. All though I tried in his "conspiracy thread" The lights are on, but nobody is home.. On that note, I'll leave you guys to it it. I'm working, and football is on.[/quote]

I agree with some of your points but do not on probably the main issues!

Maybe you should canvas all the relatives of the people killed in Paris about immigration and the lack of sifting out genuine people coming into their Country!

Sorry but it's a local issue wherever it is and your taxes should be better spent on keeping our borders better policed. Enjoy the football[/quote]
We do both. Now we are also supporting women's abort right in the US financially, since Trump will not. But apperrantlty we are mentally ill, so..
Thanks, you to.[/quote]
So you support Muslims oppressive countries and love killing babies great you lefties are[/quote]
Not sure what you are saying there Wez. But you are against women's right to information on abortion, but you are pro torture?[/quote]
I agree with Trump why fund foreign countries to teach people about abortion that's what the initial posts was about
Withdrawing funding before it got side tracked,and not pro torture at all it m8ght have a use in certain circumstances

I agree with Trump why fund foreign countries to teach people about abortion that's what the initial posts was about
Withdrawing funding before it got side tracked,and not pro torture at all it m8ght have a use in certain circumstances

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Thank you for your input to the debate I'm against abortion unless it's for medical reason obviously your not with a response like that[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

A woman gets raped, in Wez's world she can't have an abortion because it's not a medical situation.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
That's different and you know that ffs I'll spell it out then people who get knocked up don't use contraception and think it's OK to have multiple abortion s like it's going g out of fashion is that better ffs[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
No it's not. This is exactly the funding Trump has pulled the plug on. American organizations, spreading information and helping women who are raped by the likes of ISIS.
Thankfully other nations step up to the plate when needed. Like to think others would do the same for us, and for you. Again you don't know your head from your ass..[/quote]

That's was apart of it isis aren't world wide he's pull the plug world wide ,if it's that much of a problem shouldn't the individual countries fund there own nations programmes ? Why is it left all the time to USA or Britain or the west to sort out the world's problems ?

I don't live in a society where we have left or right. Where the world is black or white. I am used to a wide range of political parties.. I don't recognize your thinking.. From where I come from, we help those in need, and don't isolate us from the rest of the world or our responsibility.

I don't live in a society where we have left or right. Where the world is black or white. I am used to a wide range of political parties.. I don't recognize your thinking.. From where I come from, we help those in need, and don't isolate us from the rest of the world or our responsibility.

That's your right and I think different and that's my right,I think Britain has enough problems of its own

Bluebird Whitchurch,I couldn't give a shit about people from other countries when our own citizens are going hungry using food banks ,waiting years on waiting lists for operations,children's charities having to do the job of the NHS ,army veterans homeless on the streets and hot being looked after ,maybe 8 was harsh sayingredients the lefties have a mental illness but I really don't see why they care for other countries citizens more than our own ,I do have empathy but it's for British people maybe you should look a bit closer to home like the rest of the left leaning people in this country that's all !

How much of this is to do with the Tories' austerity plan, and spending cuts?

I'm pretty sure the 'lefties' that you reference in every post aren't generally in favour of cutting social health budgets, privatising parts of the NHS and not to mention the council and NHS budget cuts.

Not long ago 'benefit cheats' were enemy number one. There seems to have been a switch in recent years where people think 'foreigners' are the route of all of our problems. This is clearly not the case, and no data supports this. Of course public services are going to suffer when the money is cut, and this is not down to a tiny % of migrants.

Bluebird Whitchurch,I couldn't give a shit about people from other countries when our own citizens are going hungry using food banks ,waiting years on waiting lists for operations,children's charities having to do the job of the NHS ,army veterans homeless on the streets and hot being looked after ,maybe 8 was harsh sayingredients the lefties have a mental illness but I really don't see why they care for other countries citizens more than our own ,I do have empathy but it's for British people maybe you should look a bit closer to home like the rest of the left leaning people in this country that's all !

How much of this is to do with the Tories' austerity plan, and spending cuts?

I'm pretty sure the 'lefties' that you reference in every post aren't generally in favour of cutting social health budgets, privatising parts of the NHS and not to mention the council and NHS budget cuts.

Not long ago 'benefit cheats' were enemy number one. There seems to have been a switch in recent years where people think 'foreigners' are the route of all of our problems. This is clearly not the case, and no data supports this. Of course public services are going to suffer when the money is cut, and this is not down to a tiny % of migrants.

It's not just foreigners as you put it ,its foreign wars ,the bloated foreign aid budget,the money we send to the Eu it's wasted money it should be spent on the NHS and British people

At least someone agrees time for meltdown on this thread again

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It's not just foreigners as you put it ,its foreign wars ,the bloated foreign aid budget,the money we send to the Eu it's wasted money it should be spent on the NHS and British people

I completely agree with you on the wars, but I can't see that stopping unfortunately. I think that we do have a duty to help out others, but the way foreign aid is spent should definitely be scrutinised. I disagree on the EU point, but that's not a revelation!

The whole Brexit debate, and the political shift to the right (socially, rather than economically it seems) seems to have normalised xenophobic views, which in most cases seem to be completely unsubstantiated.

It's not just foreigners as you put it ,its foreign wars ,the bloated foreign aid budget,the money we send to the Eu it's wasted money it should be spent on the NHS and British people

I completely agree with you on the wars, but I can't see that stopping unfortunately. I think that we do have a duty to help out others, but the way foreign aid is spent should definitely be scrutinised. I disagree on the EU point, but that's not a revelation!

The whole Brexit debate, and the political shift to the right (socially, rather than economically it seems) seems to have normalised xenophobic views, which in most cases seem to be completely unsubstantiated.

What's wrong with being xenophobic? We all should be wary of other countries the world isn't a hippy loving place,to keep a countries citizens safe there should be borders and vetting of people coming in

What's wrong with being xenophobic? We all should be wary of other countries the world isn't a hippy loving place,to keep a countries citizens safe there should be borders and vetting of people coming in

Which countries are you suspicious of that you think we should be vetting? (You do realise we don't have open borders don't you?)

What's wrong with being xenophobic? We all should be wary of other countries the world isn't a hippy loving place,to keep a countries citizens safe there should be borders and vetting of people coming in

Which countries are you suspicious of that you think we should be vetting? (You do realise we don't have open borders don't you?)

If you have am Eu passport your allowed in ,we should be wary of people from Belgium especially after the Paris attacks ,anyone from the middle east ,Pakistan,Afghanistan,any muslim countries really aren't you worried about terrorist attacks ?

What's wrong with being xenophobic? We all should be wary of other countries the world isn't a hippy loving place,to keep a countries citizens safe there should be borders and vetting of people coming in

Which countries are you suspicious of that you think we should be vetting? (You do realise we don't have open borders don't you?)

If you have am Eu passport your allowed in ,we should be wary of people from Belgium especially after the Paris attacks ,anyone from the middle east ,Pakistan,Afghanistan,any muslim countries really aren't you worried about terrorist attacks ?

I think I'm missing the point. Ignoring EU countries and a select number of other 'safe' countries, you can't enter the UK without a visa anyway. Are you suggesting we ban anybody from those countries? Presumably you'd want to do something about the 3m muslims in the UK too would you?

I wouldn't say I'm not worried about terrorist attacks, but there are plenty of other things that are more likely to kill me. Besides, I don't really see leaving the EU having a huge impact on the country's security.

What's wrong with being xenophobic? We all should be wary of other countries the world isn't a hippy loving place,to keep a countries citizens safe there should be borders and vetting of people coming in

Which countries are you suspicious of that you think we should be vetting? (You do realise we don't have open borders don't you?)

If you have am Eu passport your allowed in ,we should be wary of people from Belgium especially after the Paris attacks ,anyone from the middle east ,Pakistan,Afghanistan,any muslim countries really aren't you worried about terrorist attacks ?

I think I'm missing the point. Ignoring EU countries and a select number of other 'safe' countries, you can't enter the UK without a visa anyway. Are you suggesting we ban anybody from those countries? Presumably you'd want to do something about the 3m muslims in the UK too would you?

I wouldn't say I'm not worried about terrorist attacks, but there are plenty of other things that are more likely to kill me. Besides, I don't really see leaving the EU having a huge impact on the country's security.

Our borders should be tighter pre ordered visa travel for everyone

Guess Wales doesn't rely on tourism and a good reputation then..

Well done Canada

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The scoffing at Trump saying he wants to put America first really is bizarre, the leader of any country should put that country first.

The scoffing at Trump saying he wants to put America first really is bizarre, the leader of any country should put that country first.

Told you the liberals are nuts

The scoffing at Trump saying he wants to put America first really is bizarre, the leader of any country should put that country first.

Told you the liberals are nuts

Yes, wanting stability and world peace is NUTS. Two superpowers have now responded. Iran closed their borders as a response ( it took years getting in there, monitoring their military program) , and China is regrouping military personel to the South China Sea .
His brilliant rethoric is making us a safe and bright future, that's for sure..

The scoffing at Trump saying he wants to put America first really is bizarre, the leader of any country should put that country first.

Told you the liberals are nuts

Yes, wanting stability and world peace is NUTS. Two superpowers have now responded. Iran closed their borders as a response ( it took years getting in there, monitoring their military program) , and China is regrouping military personel to the South China Sea .
His brilliant rethoric is making us a safe and bright future, that's for sure..

So China haven't been grouping in the south China Sea for the last 10 years ? Nothing to do with Trump,Iran enough said

Wez, you cannot educate pork

Wez, you cannot educate pork

I know the lefties it's ingrained into their brains

The scoffing at Trump saying he wants to put America first really is bizarre, the leader of any country should put that country first.

Told you the liberals are nuts

Yes, wanting stability and world peace is NUTS. Two superpowers have now responded. Iran closed their borders as a response ( it took years getting in there, monitoring their military program) , and China is regrouping military personel to the South China Sea .
His brilliant rethoric is making us a safe and bright future, that's for sure..

So China haven't been grouping in the south China Sea for the last 10 years ? Nothing to do with Trump,Iran enough said

You really need to read more, pay more attention Wez..
Chinese officials has said they are preparing for war, as a response to Trumps rethoric. What ever your feelings on Iran, they can hurt you. And they can very quickly become a center for the Middle East, and your worst fear, muslims. Rethoric is creating this tension, the very same rethoric you use. The irony is you are afraid of a Muslim behind a wheel to kill you.. Main issue in this post Wez - " Rethoric"

The scoffing at Trump saying he wants to put America first really is bizarre, the leader of any country should put that country first.

Told you the liberals are nuts

Yes, wanting stability and world peace is NUTS. Two superpowers have now responded. Iran closed their borders as a response ( it took years getting in there, monitoring their military program) , and China is regrouping military personel to the South China Sea .
His brilliant rethoric is making us a safe and bright future, that's for sure..

So China haven't been grouping in the south China Sea for the last 10 years ? Nothing to do with Trump,Iran enough said

China have been annexing islands in the South China Sea for years and flexing their military muscle in the region as well. Iran...well their whole raison d'etre is to hate the West and anything non Shia. As to wether Trump has made the planet less safe, none of us truly know.......yet

The scoffing at Trump saying he wants to put America first really is bizarre, the leader of any country should put that country first.

Told you the liberals are nuts

Yes, wanting stability and world peace is NUTS. Two superpowers have now responded. Iran closed their borders as a response ( it took years getting in there, monitoring their military program) , and China is regrouping military personel to the South China Sea .
His brilliant rethoric is making us a safe and bright future, that's for sure..

So China haven't been grouping in the south China Sea for the last 10 years ? Nothing to do with Trump,Iran enough said

China have been annexing islands in the South China Sea for years and flexing their military muscle in the region as well. Iran...well their whole raison d'etre is to hate the West and anything non Shia. As to wether Trump has made the planet less safe, none of us truly know.......yet

Yes we do. It is in the showing right now. Almost all world leaders speaks it. Trump said he would challenge the South China Sea supremity, and he got his response..
The independent Nobel comity gave the peace price to a Chinese activist. We got a 5 year trade blockade in return. You are leaving the EU. You got NO sustainable trade deals in place. Trump thinks he is "turning amerika great again", but is very much reliant om import, for both consumer and parts of production. This is very real, and is happening right now, through unintelligent rethoric.
It can't be more plain text than this mate.. World hasn't seen this tension since the Cold War..

The respect for humanity that Scandy professes, it seems is limited to those who agree with him.

Its called DianeAbbottism - an affliction where paedophiles claim the police are racially abusing them, the price of a drummers head is worth paying, and white people are a disease.

The respect for humanity that Scandy professes, it seems is limited to those who agree with him.

Its called DianeAbbottism - an affliction where paedophiles claim the police are racially abusing them, the price of a drummers head is worth paying, and white people are a disease.

I'm unfermiliar with the term kid..
Are you calling me a black peado, trying to exterminate "the white race", or do you recognize I don't see the world from a race, religious or hatered point of view?

Scandinavian I wouldn't engage with Tony. He just spouts rubbish and makes claims and then doesn't back up his promises. Biggest bigot on this site.

So rather than debate you just block opinions you don't Iike out, for years the Left have shouted bigot, racist or Facist to stifle debate, it's over mate no ones having it anymore. We've taken in "refugees" from Eritrea who go back there on family holidays. Tell me this, if Britian was a war zone would you flee and leave the women in your family here?

You missed the point jock. Tony just says stuff where'd he believes it or not. He more concerned with being right than sharing his opinions. More often than not he's wrong and then goes quite. This is another example.

OK Mr 77 (hiding behind a username ) You are correct I am concerned about getting my opinion right why the hell wouldn't I? Also who says I'm wrong as that is just your opinion which is far from gold plated

As for going quite I'm at a loss to what you mean? If you would like to meet up face to face to talk about things then I am more than happy to do that where you will find I have not gone quite and would let you know that in no uncertain terms.

Now put up or shut up.

Got to love a keyboard warrior