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Your arguments are getting odder and odder.

Most of us were prepared to give Trollope a chance, why would we protest ?
This isn't about us anyway.
Only thing I saw from the Trust was being put out by a lack of consultation. That same Trusts reps have been the targets themselves of abuse from their own fans since things started going tits up.

You asked me for evidence I gave it to you, but you don't get any and just come up with this crap.

Strange this conversation wasn't taking place in June

My argument? I don't have an argument, I just have a series of situations that represent the factual reality, that is documented everywhere. The jacks were against this from the very beginning and way before it for that matter, you may know the odd moron that had no idea what was going on, but thats normal. Why any Swans fan would want to hand over their boardroom power and voting rights and be kept completely in the dark and prejudiced against the shareholders agreement for absolutely nothing is just utterly ludicrous. Obviously everyone was against it, hence the Trust made that clear.

Still can't understand why a swansea fan is so obsessed with this forum, and it must be an obsession considering the number of user names you continually use to get on to this forum.

I can, if I were a Swans fan I would love it on here with these sort of views. They are farcical

But they have always been farcical as you should know considering the number of other names you have used in an attempt to turn this forum into a farce. I think a lot of us on here know who you are, and you will know from converstions we have had under plenty of your other names that I don't bother getting involved with prolonged discussions with you, so on that note I shall say goodnight to you.

2/3 were in favour on the Wales Online poll http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... s-11641147

So hardly 99% against.

As I said, not surprising as the expectations were new investment into side and facilities - instead the money went to directors and shareholders

a Wales Online article? Dont talk wet.

You clearly have no understanding of the situation. At no point was it suggested that money would be spent on the side or on facilities, it was only ever a share sale. There was nothing for the fanbase to believe in or buy into - it was never on the table.

Again, the supporters Trust is elected to act on behalf of the wishes of the fans. THE TRUST OPPOSED IT AND STILL DO. Every single thread on the subject suggests this also. If all you have is a Cardiff based wales online article then you are waving the white flag right here and now

It's a poll, 2/3 were for it.
Show me another which proves this wrong.
You've produced nothing.
Pointless discussing this with you as you clearly aren't interested in any other opinions.

2/3 of people that voted. Not 2/3 of Swansea fans. It is a Welsh article.

My proof is that the supporters Trust were against it. The supporters Trust takes action or states its position due to the views of the fans. Thats all the proof needed to kill this dead.

Why on earth you think Swans fans wanted to lose their voting rights and power at boardroom level for nothing is beyond me, nothing was even promised. Your opinion makes no sense at all, think about it.

You keep talking about proof but never provide any.

You sound so much like the multi which keeps coming back as different names time after time it's unreal.

He couldn't back himself up either.

Still can't understand why a swansea fan is so obsessed with this forum, and it must be an obsession considering the number of user names you continually use to get on to this forum.

I can, if I were a Swans fan I would love it on here with these sort of views. They are farcical

But they have always been farcical as you should know considering the number of other names you have used in an attempt to turn this forum into a farce. I think a lot of us on here know who you are, and you will know from converstions we have had under plenty of your other names that I don't bother getting involved with prolonged discussions with you, so on that note I shall say goodnight to you.

I have only ever used this username, but you seem to have a habit of making stuff up to suit whatever agnda you want to push your view is farcical.

"I wanna be in that number, when the Jacks go 4-1 down".

You keep talking about proof but never provide any..

I just did. The Trust act on the supporters wishes, the Trust was against the takeover. Hence they were not told.

You are currently asking for proof that Turkeys don't like Christmas traditions, its utterly farcical. Why would Swansea supporters want to lose their voting rights, their say at boardroom level, their secure future, their protections and provisions and to be kept out of all discussions to make the old owners rich? All in exchange for nothing, nothing was ever promised and was stated before the takeover that it was not an investment but a share sale. So why would the jacks want that?

I wonder why the Trust weren't invited to the discussions? Why exactly did they do it above their heads? Now I type it, I'm gathering the knew the majority would've been against it.

I know some Jacks were for it, and that was probably down to excitement - thinking about challenging at the top with superstar players, but I wonder what % were intially for/against it. I'm guessing For 35%/65%.

I wonder why the Trust weren't invited to the discussions? Why exactly did they do it above their heads? Now I type it, I'm gathering the knew the majority would've been against it.

I know some Jacks were for it, and that was probably down to excitement - thinking about challenging at the top with superstar players, but I wonder what % were intially for/against it. I'm guessing For 35%/65%.

Because the Trust, acting on behalf of fans wishes, stopped the last one by Moores and Noell. There was no promise of any money either time and the Trust stated "this is nit an investment, it is a share sale" so that fantasy stops there, nobidy was under any illusions.

One thing is for certain, there was no excitement. Maybe the 0.5% displayed some, but they don't post on the internet or make themselves known. It is probably the distant uncle and the misinformed workmate some say they experienced, however the unbelievably overwhelming majority did not want a change in ownership.

As a realistic percentage and taking out decimal points, id say 85% dead against it, 14% indifferent as either glory fans or don't care (possibly didnt even know it was happening), 1% for it as they did not understand, that 1% dissappeared as soon as the Trust gave the address which stated how things led to the prospected takeover.

Its all documented and pretty obvious so its amazing the lengths some are going to in order to try and rewrite history to ease their own guilt.

You keep talking about proof but never provide any..

I just did. The Trust act on the supporters wishes, the Trust was against the takeover. Hence they were not told.

You are currently asking for proof that Turkeys don't like Christmas traditions, its utterly farcical. Why would Swansea supporters want to lose their voting rights, their say at boardroom level, their secure future, their protections and provisions and to be kept out of all discussions to make the old owners rich? All in exchange for nothing, nothing was ever promised and was stated before the takeover that it was not an investment but a share sale. So why would the jacks want that?

That's not proof.
Show me where there is evidence 99% of their fans were against the CURRENT takeover.

I found a poll within seconds, can't be that hard.

As for the current one, all the Trust did was moan about consultation.
Hardly surprising given that many of their fans are now accusing the Trust leaders of being paid off.

No attempt was made to scupper it.

No protest.
No legal contest.
Nothing.
Dis they even ballot their members ?

Sure, some long term fans didn't want things to change, but most of the new fans and quite a few of the old ones just wanted to have investment to compete as that's what they were told by their directors, who at the time they worshiped, was required.

That's the end on this for me.
I'll be at Brighton Friday if you want to discuss it over a pint. I'm not a fan of debates with people who hide their identity, especially as you close to call me 'friend' in your first reply.
Nice short trip for you.

You keep talking about proof but never provide any..

I just did. The Trust act on the supporters wishes, the Trust was against the takeover. Hence they were not told.

You are currently asking for proof that Turkeys don't like Christmas traditions, its utterly farcical. Why would Swansea supporters want to lose their voting rights, their say at boardroom level, their secure future, their protections and provisions and to be kept out of all discussions to make the old owners rich? All in exchange for nothing, nothing was ever promised and was stated before the takeover that it was not an investment but a share sale. So why would the jacks want that?

That's not proof.
Show me where there is evidence 99% of their fans were against the CURRENT takeover.

I found a poll within seconds, can't be that hard.

As for the current one, all the Trust did was moan about consultation.
Hardly surprising given that many of their fans are now accusing the Trust leaders of being paid off.

No attempt was made to scupper it.

No protest.
No legal contest.
Nothing.
Dis they even ballot their members ?

Sure, some long term fans didn't want things to change, but most of the new fans and quite a few of the old ones just wanted to have investment to compete as that's what they were told by their directors, who at the time they worshiped, was required.

That's the end on this for me.
I'll be at Brighton Friday if you want to discuss it over a pint. I'm not a fan of debates with people who hide their identity, especially as you close to call me 'friend' in your first reply.
Nice short trip for you.

Of course it is proof

It is the Trusts job to act as per the wishes of the Swansea fans. If the Swansea fans were in favour of it then they would not have opposed it. Think about it. Go to Planet Swans and flick back to the date of the takeover and the lead up and read the threads. Do they sound like people falling over themselves woth excitement? No.

You found a Wales online article, you did not find proof that Swans fans in favour of it. Because they quite obviously were not due to the actions of their representatives, the documented online dissent plus anybody you wish to ask that is connected with the club (bar a clueless workmate and a distant uncle of course).

The Trust had no time to do due dilligence. If they were against the last one then they would be against this one, hence why they were kept quiet. Why on earth would they be happy being shafted? Having their voting rights diminished, potentially having their shareholding dilluted, having less of a voice in the boardroom? Your attempted opinion makes no sense what so ever. You are essentially saying Turkeys love Xmas and are asking proof that they dont

As you have been told many times. 90%+ of Swansea fans did not want the takover, regardless of your fairy stories to ease your guilt regarding the Tan situation. Your argument lacks any sort of cohesion. Why would a club where its fans own 21% of the club want to be shafted by the other shareholders and be diminished? They wouldnt. Hence why this fantasy will never make it past this thread. You are wasting your time.

You keep talking about proof but never provide any..

I just did. The Trust act on the supporters wishes, the Trust was against the takeover. Hence they were not told.

You are currently asking for proof that Turkeys don't like Christmas traditions, its utterly farcical. Why would Swansea supporters want to lose their voting rights, their say at boardroom level, their secure future, their protections and provisions and to be kept out of all discussions to make the old owners rich? All in exchange for nothing, nothing was ever promised and was stated before the takeover that it was not an investment but a share sale. So why would the jacks want that?

That's not proof.
Show me where there is evidence 99% of their fans were against the CURRENT takeover.

I found a poll within seconds, can't be that hard.

As for the current one, all the Trust did was moan about consultation.
Hardly surprising given that many of their fans are now accusing the Trust leaders of being paid off.

No attempt was made to scupper it.

No protest.
No legal contest.
Nothing.
Dis they even ballot their members ?

Sure, some long term fans didn't want things to change, but most of the new fans and quite a few of the old ones just wanted to have investment to compete as that's what they were told by their directors, who at the time they worshiped, was required.

That's the end on this for me.
I'll be at Brighton Friday if you want to discuss it over a pint. I'm not a fan of debates with people who hide their identity, especially as you close to call me 'friend' in your first reply.
Nice short trip for you.

Top stuff Lawnmower. Roathie won't turn up though.

Top stuff Lawnmower. Roathie won't turn up though.

I don't think he has been invited?

You keep talking about proof but never provide any..

I just did. The Trust act on the supporters wishes, the Trust was against the takeover. Hence they were not told.

You are currently asking for proof that Turkeys don't like Christmas traditions, its utterly farcical. Why would Swansea supporters want to lose their voting rights, their say at boardroom level, their secure future, their protections and provisions and to be kept out of all discussions to make the old owners rich? All in exchange for nothing, nothing was ever promised and was stated before the takeover that it was not an investment but a share sale. So why would the jacks want that?

That's not proof.
Show me where there is evidence 99% of their fans were against the CURRENT takeover.

I found a poll within seconds, can't be that hard.

As for the current one, all the Trust did was moan about consultation.
Hardly surprising given that many of their fans are now accusing the Trust leaders of being paid off.

No attempt was made to scupper it.

No protest.
No legal contest.
Nothing.
Dis they even ballot their members ?

Sure, some long term fans didn't want things to change, but most of the new fans and quite a few of the old ones just wanted to have investment to compete as that's what they were told by their directors, who at the time they worshiped, was required.

That's the end on this for me.
I'll be at Brighton Friday if you want to discuss it over a pint. I'm not a fan of debates with people who hide their identity, especially as you close to call me 'friend' in your first reply.
Nice short trip for you.

Top stuff Lawnmower. Roathie won't turn up though.

Beat me to it. I was about to ask why a Jack fan is going to watch Brighton v Cardiff. Surprised it has taken so long to work him out this time, but I can see he has thrown a couple of comments in about Cardiff before reverting to normal. Not the first time he has used this method, one sad person.

Beat me to it. I was about to ask why a Jack fan is going to watch Brighton v Cardiff. Surprised it has taken so long to work him out this time, but I can see he has thrown a couple of comments in about Cardiff before reverting to normal. Not the first time he has used this method, one sad person.

So when your opinion gets shot down in flames, revert to pretending they are a Swansea fan

Beat me to it. I was about to ask why a Jack fan is going to watch Brighton v Cardiff. Surprised it has taken so long to work him out this time, but I can see he has thrown a couple of comments in about Cardiff before reverting to normal. Not the first time he has used this method, one sad person.

So when your opinion gets shot down in flames, revert to pretending they are a Swansea fan

Might want to read this thread again Roathie. I have no opinion on the in's and out's of swansea, I know nothing about them and in all honesty have no particulat interest in them. Unlike you, I am not interested on going on their forum either in order to start derailing everybody elses discussions.

Nah there was several happy Jacks.

Besides, it isn't all bad. Swansea haven't been re-branded, or have cheerleaders, or peanuts flown at seats, or kiss cam... Oh, wait?!

Yeah, several may be accurate, id go with several. If the number made 3 figures I would be immensely shocked, evey club has their morons that cannot grasp what is going on. It is absolutely accurate however to say the overwhelming majority almost to a man were dead against the takeover from the start and remain so. The supporters trust which owns 21% of the club and acts on the behalf of supporters wishes took a stance against the takeover from the outset and has not waivered. They are documented and dated as are the various opinion polls and online discussions at the time available for viewing this very second.

Didn't stop it though did they ??

Money is the route of all evil !!

So you have no opinion Christine? But you decide to come on here and derail the discussion anyway, while trolling someone who is being incredibly informative fair and impartial. I love your logic, reminds me of Alice in Wonderland.

I work in Swansea and I can tell you, many, many fans were delighted with the takeover.

Lots of pissed off fans now though.

Laughing stock of 2016.

Typical, because they are losing, if they were top ten, they would be bragging as usual, look at how well we are run blah blah blah, forgetting the administration and bucket collections as usual .....

Nah there was several happy Jacks.

Besides, it isn't all bad. Swansea haven't been re-branded, or have cheerleaders, or peanuts flown at seats, or kiss cam... Oh, wait?!

Yeah, several may be accurate, id go with several. If the number made 3 figures I would be immensely shocked, evey club has their morons that cannot grasp what is going on. It is absolutely accurate however to say the overwhelming majority almost to a man were dead against the takeover from the start and remain so. The supporters trust which owns 21% of the club and acts on the behalf of supporters wishes took a stance against the takeover from the outset and has not waivered. They are documented and dated as are the various opinion polls and online discussions at the time available for viewing this very second.

Didn't stop it though did they ??

Money is the route of all evil !!

No they had no power to, their voting rights were dilluted to what is essentially an irrelevance. Although the Americans have 68% of the club, they were given 75% of the voting rights as part of the deal as some of the selling parties held on to some shares (HJ 5% for example) but surrendered the attached voting rights. The previous shareholders made sure the supporters couldn't do anything at boardroom level to stop it. Which is of course why no Swans fan was in favour of it. The club has gone fom fan owned to owned by people nobody knows anything about what so ever.

Agree with your last sentence.

Typical, because they are losing, if they were top ten, they would be bragging as usual, look at how well we are run blah blah blah, forgetting the administration and bucket collections as usual .....

They were top 10, they won their first game. They were not happy then either. At no point have the Americans been welcomed. The signings of Chadli, Allen, Bony passing by was met with sheer distain in August. Not to mention the appointment of Bradley.

Seems Ealing has a different view to everyone else on this.

From what I saw lots thought they would kick on and leave us for dust and I don't understand why he's trying to deny this.

Their Trust did make some noises but went very quiet- and there has been lots of talk from Swansea fans I know off sweeteners given out.

There were no serious protests- as there weren't with us.

Fact is they weren't to know it would end up like this, so why would they.

As soon as the yanks came in and started trying to score cheap points by referring to us 'we won't be changing colours, that's one thing for sure', then the alarm bells should have rung.
They didn't and only the poor results have made them wake up.

Same as it did with us in the end.

my friend there is no opinion, this is all 100% factual, 100% obvious and 100% documented. It is cringable that a few of the posters here are trying to fly in the face of obvious reality to ease their guilt over the Tan situation.

I would say 99.9% of Swansea fans were against the takeover. The other 0.1% quickly realised why they were in such a minority once the Trust gave their address a week later. That is just simply the state of it.

The second coming warned you what would happen Roathie, 99% of you ignored him, he told you the problems, he's been proved right

Go coach Bob Awsome job

Seems Ealing has a different view to everyone else on this.

From what I saw lots thought they would kick on and leave us for dust and I don't understand why he's trying to deny this.

Their Trust did make some noises but went very quiet- and there has been lots of talk from Swansea fans I know off sweeteners given out.

There were no serious protests- as there weren't with us.

Fact is they weren't to know it would end up like this, so why would they.

As soon as the yanks came in and started trying to score cheap points by referring to us 'we won't be changing colours, that's one thing for sure', then the alarm bells should have rung.
They didn't and only the poor results have made them wake up.

Same as it did with us in the end.

my friend there is no opinion, this is all 100% factual, 100% obvious and 100% documented. It is cringable that a few of the posters here are trying to fly in the face of obvious reality to ease their guilt over the Tan situation.

I would say 99.9% of Swansea fans were against the takeover. The other 0.1% quickly realised why they were in such a minority once the Trust gave their address a week later. That is just simply the state of it.

The second coming warned you what would happen Roathie, 99% of you ignored him, he told you the problems, he's been proved right

Go coach Bob Awsome job

I don't think anybody was under any illusion Jane. Everybody knew the takeover was bad news. As someone close to their club, it is a sad situation for them and football as a whole in the wider scheme of things.

We have made our relationship work with the owner (but for the odd 50 or so that still hold grudges) and so for me it would be great to see them come down and keep going!

This is an interesting claim.

So how does this "relationship" between the fans and Vincent Tan work exactly? As far as I was aware, Tan doesn't bother to attend matches anymore and never says about Cardiff City to the press, while the team stumbles around the Championship relegation zone and plays in front of the smallest home and away followings for many years.

We have made our relationship work with the owner (but for the odd 50 or so that still hold grudges) and so for me it would be great to see them come down and keep going!

This is an interesting claim.

So how does this "relationship" between the fans and Vincent Tan work exactly? As far as I was aware, Tan doesn't bother to attend matches anymore and never says about Cardiff City to the press, while the team stumbles around the Championship relegation zone and plays in front of the smallest home and away followings for many years.

Dave, Ryan is on another planet.

First of all it runs in to a couple of thousand who still this day despise Tan/Rebrand and Red Brigade.
Secondly there is NO relationship with City fans and our owner.

Seems Ealing has a different view to everyone else on this.

From what I saw lots thought they would kick on and leave us for dust and I don't understand why he's trying to deny this.

Their Trust did make some noises but went very quiet- and there has been lots of talk from Swansea fans I know off sweeteners given out.

There were no serious protests- as there weren't with us.

Fact is they weren't to know it would end up like this, so why would they.

As soon as the yanks came in and started trying to score cheap points by referring to us 'we won't be changing colours, that's one thing for sure', then the alarm bells should have rung.
They didn't and only the poor results have made them wake up.

Same as it did with us in the end.

my friend there is no opinion, this is all 100% factual, 100% obvious and 100% documented. It is cringable that a few of the posters here are trying to fly in the face of obvious reality to ease their guilt over the Tan situation.

I would say 99.9% of Swansea fans were against the takeover. The other 0.1% quickly realised why they were in such a minority once the Trust gave their address a week later. That is just simply the state of it.

The second coming warned you what would happen Roathie, 99% of you ignored him, he told you the problems, he's been proved right

Go coach Bob Awsome job

I don't think anybody was under any illusion Jane. Everybody knew the takeover was bad news. As someone close to their club, it is a sad situation for them and football as a whole in the wider scheme of things.

I thought you had a trust member on the board, what was that for then ??

I thought you had a trust member on the board, what was that for then ??

We don't, Tan owns the club outright.

Seems Ealing has a different view to everyone else on this.

From what I saw lots thought they would kick on and leave us for dust and I don't understand why he's trying to deny this.

Their Trust did make some noises but went very quiet- and there has been lots of talk from Swansea fans I know off sweeteners given out.

There were no serious protests- as there weren't with us.

Fact is they weren't to know it would end up like this, so why would they.

As soon as the yanks came in and started trying to score cheap points by referring to us 'we won't be changing colours, that's one thing for sure', then the alarm bells should have rung.
They didn't and only the poor results have made them wake up.

Same as it did with us in the end.

my friend there is no opinion, this is all 100% factual, 100% obvious and 100% documented. It is cringable that a few of the posters here are trying to fly in the face of obvious reality to ease their guilt over the Tan situation.

I would say 99.9% of Swansea fans were against the takeover. The other 0.1% quickly realised why they were in such a minority once the Trust gave their address a week later. That is just simply the state of it.

The second coming warned you what would happen Roathie, 99% of you ignored him, he told you the problems, he's been proved right

Go coach Bob Awsome job

I don't think anybody was under any illusion Jane. Everybody knew the takeover was bad news. As someone close to their club, it is a sad situation for them and football as a whole in the wider scheme of things.

Sad situation ???

It's fantastic, don't come on here crying for Swansea fans because 1% couldn't give a shit and the other 99% are fecking loving it

Bad situation ???

It's fantastic, don't come on here crying for Swansea fans because 1% couldn't give a shit and the other 99% are fecking loving it

Yes an awful situation. I'm not coming on here crying for anything. I fully expect posters on here to be loving it, it is the lying that I am addressing, not the feelings. Having half my family as Jacks I have a different perspective, an ambitious one, I would rather us do well and over take them on our own merit rather than wish for their demise. People are different and they can rejoice as much as they like, but keeping it based on accuracy is something that I feel compelled to do.

I thought you had a trust member on the board, what was that for then ??

We don't, Tan owns the club outright.

Swansea, stop playing games......