Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:46 pm
Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:50 pm
Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:54 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:55 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:57 pm
wez1927 wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.
Bullshit
Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:59 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.
Bullshit
Why? Most leave voters were motivated by immigration. It's why they hate the idea of leaving the EU but keeping freedom of movement. Without immigration this country will not be able to function and I personally enjoy multiculturalism. The problem we have is people believe everything the right wing press tells them.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:00 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.
Bullshit
Why? Most leave voters were motivated by immigration. It's why they hate the idea of leaving the EU but keeping freedom of movement. Without immigration this country will not be able to function and I personally enjoy multiculturalism. The problem we have is people believe everything the right wing press tells them.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:00 pm
GrangeEndStar wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:wez1927 wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.
Bullshit
Why? Most leave voters were motivated by immigration. It's why they hate the idea of leaving the EU but keeping freedom of movement. Without immigration this country will not be able to function and I personally enjoy multiculturalism. The problem we have is people believe everything the right wing press tells them.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:00 pm
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:02 pm
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:12 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:14 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:17 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.
I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.
Please cut the abuse out also.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:19 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.
I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.
Please cut the abuse out also.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:21 pm
GrangeEndStar wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.
I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.
Please cut the abuse out also.
Hi Rothies.![]()
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:22 pm
WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.
I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.
Please cut the abuse out also.
Do you a deal you stop your attempts at getting attention and winding people up and I'll stop the abuse.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:23 pm
llan bluebird wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.
I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.
Please cut the abuse out also.
Hi Rothies.![]()
Whats the collective noun ?
A clown of Roathies ?
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:26 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.
I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.
Please cut the abuse out also.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:26 pm
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:26 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:28 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:30 pm
llan bluebird wrote:GrangeEndStar wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:WelshPatriot wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.
You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.
I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.
Please cut the abuse out also.
Hi Rothies.![]()
Whats the collective noun ?
A clown of Roathies ?
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:36 pm
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:37 pm
wez1927 wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.
And the eu helps the poorest ?
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:38 pm
EalingBluebird wrote:GrandstandBlue wrote:I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.
Just to be clear incase people do actually believe GrangeEnds rubbish and combine our opinions... I have no opinion whether Brexit is a good or bad thing. I just don't believe the vote as it stands is democratically sound. Thats as far as my opinion goes really.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:42 pm
GrandstandBlue wrote:
A bunch of knuckle dragging UKIP leave voters being ignorant? Who'd have thought hey?![]()
You are correct again, the refernedum was not legally binding and merely a guidance for the government. They are well within their rights to go against the electorate. Besides not everyone voted, more people don't want Brexit that is a fact.
Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:39 pm
Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:55 am
Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:10 am
rumpo kid wrote:I wouldn't say more people don't want Brexit as such, it may well be the case (my personal opinion is that it is correct but we don't know this for sure) but what is certain is most people in the UK didn't vote FOR it.
Most people who voted in the referendum did. In fact, the most in any election in British history.
Not voting is not counted as a no vote, it counts as a didnt vote.
Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:33 am
Bakedalasker wrote:rumpo kid wrote:I wouldn't say more people don't want Brexit as such, it may well be the case (my personal opinion is that it is correct but we don't know this for sure) but what is certain is most people in the UK didn't vote FOR it.
Most people who voted in the referendum did. In fact, the most in any election in British history.
Not voting is not counted as a no vote, it counts as a didnt vote.
Bring back compulsory voting I say......did we ever have that?
The apathy vote is quite high, well very high. Same really when you consider we won 2 WWs for democrazy.
The only time people come out in force is when there is a real danger to the way it is. Prime example is the French when they have their Presidential election. Somehow a far right winger manages to get into the final 2. Last time that happened 90% came out to vote against them.
I really wonder if people care if we are in the EU or not. Most I know think nothing will really change. They could well be right.