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Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:46 pm

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Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:50 pm

Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:54 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.

Bullshit

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:55 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


Hi Roathy (6th Alias) :wave: :sleepy2:

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:57 pm

wez1927 wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.

Bullshit


Why? Most leave voters were motivated by immigration. It's why they hate the idea of leaving the EU but keeping freedom of movement. Without immigration this country will not be able to function and I personally enjoy multiculturalism. The problem we have is people believe everything the right wing press tells them.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:59 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.

Bullshit


Why? Most leave voters were motivated by immigration. It's why they hate the idea of leaving the EU but keeping freedom of movement. Without immigration this country will not be able to function and I personally enjoy multiculturalism. The problem we have is people believe everything the right wing press tells them.


:sleepy2:

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:00 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.

Bullshit


Why? Most leave voters were motivated by immigration. It's why they hate the idea of leaving the EU but keeping freedom of movement. Without immigration this country will not be able to function and I personally enjoy multiculturalism. The problem we have is people believe everything the right wing press tells them.



I have resisted, but you are talking to yourself :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops:

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:00 pm

GrangeEndStar wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:People who voted to leave were almost entirely motivated by the fear of immigrants and refugees. I voted to remain and I stick by that, the amount of people I have met who voted to leave but would now vote to remain due to the shocking rise of racism since the vote is astounding. Proud of the fact that Plaid MPs are fighting so hard against Brexit and we must continue the fight. We cannot let fascism take a grip on us, the EU unites where the Tories and UKIP divide us.

Bullshit


Why? Most leave voters were motivated by immigration. It's why they hate the idea of leaving the EU but keeping freedom of movement. Without immigration this country will not be able to function and I personally enjoy multiculturalism. The problem we have is people believe everything the right wing press tells them.


:sleepy2:


Wakey wakey.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:00 pm

I've managed to log into his camera and believe me, he's not just talking to himself. Bleeeuuuchhhh. :crazy:

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:02 pm

I wonder when if he catches himself talking to himself, he actually speaks with someone else. Odd'Un. Cuckoo.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:12 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:14 pm

WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.


I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.

Please cut the abuse out also.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:17 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.


I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.

Please cut the abuse out also.



Hi Rothies. :wave: :sleepy2:

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:19 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.


I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.

Please cut the abuse out also.


Do you a deal you stop your attempts at getting attention and winding people up and I'll stop the abuse.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:21 pm

GrangeEndStar wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.


I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.

Please cut the abuse out also.



Hi Rothies. :wave: :sleepy2:



Whats the collective noun ?

A clown of Roathies ?

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:22 pm

WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.


I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.

Please cut the abuse out also.


Do you a deal you stop your attempts at getting attention and winding people up and I'll stop the abuse.


I am not sure what you are getting at? Stop trying to silence me, my opinion will be heard.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:23 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
GrangeEndStar wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.


I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.

Please cut the abuse out also.




Hi Rothies. :wave: :sleepy2:



Whats the collective noun ?

A clown of Roathies ?


Just everyone that is not him. :laughing6:

Id love mods to do a sweeping IP check to expose his madness

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:26 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.


I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.

Please cut the abuse out also.

Bbc Right wing shut up you pleb

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:26 pm

I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:26 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.

And the eu helps the poorest ?

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:28 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.


Just to be clear incase people do actually believe GrangeEnds rubbish and combine our opinions... I have no opinion whether Brexit is a good or bad thing. I just don't believe the vote as it stands is democratically sound. Thats as far as my opinion goes really.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:30 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
GrangeEndStar wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:
WelshPatriot wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:Agree completely with "EalingBluebird" on ever count. Until there is a re vote then full democracy has not been served. Too many people were scared into voting for Brexit by the right wing press and the BBC who constantly ran scare stories centered around refugees and immigration. Would you rather a nice, tolerant society or one government by Nigel Farage and his cabal of fascists.


You twonk the BBC were operating on behalf of the government and the remain campaign, hence complaints put into the watchdog about the BBC's behaviour.


I too have complained to the BBC about constant attacks against Corbyn and Plaid Cymru. They are nothing but a right wing Tory propaganda machine.

Please cut the abuse out also.



Hi Rothies. :wave: :sleepy2:



Whats the collective noun ?

A clown of Roathies ?


I've just consulted the latest Oxford Dictionary and not its actually know as a Cunt-Of Roathies. Stephen Fry has also just confirmed it and also tweeted that he is a Mega-Twat and should be poisoned.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:36 pm

And just like that a decent debate gets derailed.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:37 pm

wez1927 wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.

And the eu helps the poorest ?


It certainly help. Listen the EU is not perfect but it is damnsight better than being exposed to the Tories who seem hell bent on becoming more and more like the UKIP loony fascists that are creeping into our politics. The EU safeguards workers rights and allows the freedom of movement between our nations. Open your eyes and stop believing everything you read in the right wing press.

Do you get your Daily Mail delivered every morning?

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:38 pm

EalingBluebird wrote:
GrandstandBlue wrote:I am not Roathie, I am just someone expressing a strong opinion on Brexit and the damage it may do to our people including the poorest in society. We need another vote, I won't apologise for suggesting that. Too many people were lied to and scared into voting leave, there is an alternative to the nasty ring press.


Just to be clear incase people do actually believe GrangeEnds rubbish and combine our opinions... I have no opinion whether Brexit is a good or bad thing. I just don't believe the vote as it stands is democratically sound. Thats as far as my opinion goes really.


A bunch of knuckle dragging UKIP leave voters being ignorant? Who'd have thought hey? :lol:

You are correct again, the refernedum was not legally binding and merely a guidance for the government. They are well within their rights to go against the electorate. Besides not everyone voted, more people don't want Brexit that is a fact.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:42 pm

GrandstandBlue wrote:
A bunch of knuckle dragging UKIP leave voters being ignorant? Who'd have thought hey? :lol:

You are correct again, the refernedum was not legally binding and merely a guidance for the government. They are well within their rights to go against the electorate. Besides not everyone voted, more people don't want Brexit that is a fact.


I wouldn't say more people don't want Brexit as such, it may well be the case (my personal opinion is that it is correct but we don't know this for sure) but what is certain is most people in the UK didn't vote FOR it.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:39 pm

I don't know anyone that voted brexit for the following reasons
1) immigration
2) figures painted on busses

Just saying.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:55 am

I wouldn't say more people don't want Brexit as such, it may well be the case (my personal opinion is that it is correct but we don't know this for sure) but what is certain is most people in the UK didn't vote FOR it.

Most people who voted in the referendum did. In fact, the most in any election in British history.

Not voting is not counted as a no vote, it counts as a didnt vote.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:10 am

rumpo kid wrote:I wouldn't say more people don't want Brexit as such, it may well be the case (my personal opinion is that it is correct but we don't know this for sure) but what is certain is most people in the UK didn't vote FOR it.

Most people who voted in the referendum did. In fact, the most in any election in British history.

Not voting is not counted as a no vote, it counts as a didnt vote.


Bring back compulsory voting I say......did we ever have that?

The apathy vote is quite high, well very high. Same really when you consider we won 2 WWs for democrazy.

The only time people come out in force is when there is a real danger to the way it is. Prime example is the French when they have their Presidential election. Somehow a far right winger manages to get into the final 2. Last time that happened 90% came out to vote against them.

I really wonder if people care if we are in the EU or not. Most I know think nothing will really change. They could well be right.

Re: ' Brexit Strategy '

Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:33 am

Bakedalasker wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:I wouldn't say more people don't want Brexit as such, it may well be the case (my personal opinion is that it is correct but we don't know this for sure) but what is certain is most people in the UK didn't vote FOR it.

Most people who voted in the referendum did. In fact, the most in any election in British history.

Not voting is not counted as a no vote, it counts as a didnt vote.


Bring back compulsory voting I say......did we ever have that?

The apathy vote is quite high, well very high. Same really when you consider we won 2 WWs for democrazy.

The only time people come out in force is when there is a real danger to the way it is. Prime example is the French when they have their Presidential election. Somehow a far right winger manages to get into the final 2. Last time that happened 90% came out to vote against them.

I really wonder if people care if we are in the EU or not. Most I know think nothing will really change. They could well be right.


As someone who didn't vote, I would completely agree with that actually.