Happy with Brexit?

Most of the bleak forecasts have been wrong so far, and I'm still waiting for that emergency budget that the remain camp said would have to be called almost immediately after a yes vote. Apart from me getting less dollars for my pound, the world has not come to an end for me yet.

Oh Steve don't start with all this crap again. You'll only get Wez and his posters out again.And I've heard that emergency budget will be just before they start giving that extra 350million a week to the NHS.

Emergency budget,no European army ,no one will want to trade with us hmmmmmmmmmm fair play you remoaners are full of shit

I really do have to question the mindsets of those who believed every single penny of the 350 million would go to only the NHS. The message was put on the side of their bus as an example of how this 350 million could be better spent to benefit our country. The Boris Johnson's kept hammering that message home to get votes and why not? Everyone with a brain should have realised the NHS is one of several things this 350 million can be better spent on.

You're right, like the pockets of 350 Tory fat cats

Wherever this 350 million goes, this will now all stay in our country instead of going to a bunch of unelected old men in Brussels. This is a life change for our country and the whole idea of Brexit is to give us control back of how to spend this 350 million in our country. Every £1 the EU "invested" in us, we had already given them £2.20. What was the point in us giving the EU this 350 million to build another sewer in Budapest when our own country is crumbling down?

Because of Brexit, we can now trade worldwide with the largest economies and the biggest financial powers. This will create income and more jobs in the future. Every economy has doubled in size since we entered the EU apart from Europe and Antarctica. We were getting left behind trapped in the EU, the EU is crumbling and we have voted to get out at the right time.

All we are awaiting for is Theresa ReMAYn to invoke article 50. As soon as article 50 is invoked, we will have Australia, America, China, India and the rest of the biggest trading countries out there wanting to trade with us. Look how well Switzerland are doing since they left. Look how well Iceland are now doing, striking their own trade deal with China (something the EU have failed to do).

I honestly believe we will be much better off in the future. I want us to concentrate on looking after ourselves for a change. I don't care about the EU, I don't care about Germany and I sure as hell don't care about the Albania's, Turkey's and other inferior countries about to join the EU and drag us down to their level further. It's time to put our country and our own British people first.

We didn't leave Europe - we chose to leave a failing EU that needs to be reformed root to branch.

Run by out of touch bureaucratic career politicians and which is beyond its current working useful life except for the career politicians & certain top and bottom countries riding the gravy train.

I looked at decent and proven economists experienced and informed views, such as Roger Bootle, as part of my own decision making process. The current EU is doomed and us leaving first was always going to put us in a position of strength to run a reformed future EU after the current state folds. If it costs me a few short term points on FX/investments/goods and holidays then its a small price to pay for a better future for the youngsters. Brexit is a horrible word but us leaving a basket case first is the catalyst in the initial collapse of the house of cards and combined with other 'unpredicted' events, will serve us well.

I respect all opinions on this, as its an emotive and personal subject but that said, I'm right. So there.

Most of the bleak forecasts have been wrong so far, and I'm still waiting for that emergency budget that the remain camp said would have to be called almost immediately after a yes vote. Apart from me getting less dollars for my pound, the world has not come to an end for me yet.

Oh Steve don't start with all this crap again. You'll only get Wez and his posters out again.And I've heard that emergency budget will be just before they start giving that extra 350million a week to the NHS.

Emergency budget,no European army ,no one will want to trade with us hmmmmmmmmmm fair play you remoaners are full of shit

I really do have to question the mindsets of those who believed every single penny of the 350 million would go to only the NHS. The message was put on the side of their bus as an example of how this 350 million could be better spent to benefit our country. The Boris Johnson's kept hammering that message home to get votes and why not? Everyone with a brain should have realised the NHS is one of several things this 350 million can be better spent on.

You're right, like the pockets of 350 Tory fat cats

Wherever this 350 million goes, this will now all stay in our country instead of going to a bunch of unelected old men in Brussels. This is a life change for our country and the whole idea of Brexit is to give us control back of how to spend this 350 million in our country. Every £1 the EU "invested" in us, we had already given them £2.20. What was the point in us giving the EU this 350 million to build another sewer in Budapest when our own country is crumbling down?

Because of Brexit, we can now trade worldwide with the largest economies and the biggest financial powers. This will create income and more jobs in the future. Every economy has doubled in size since we entered the EU apart from Europe and Antarctica. We were getting left behind trapped in the EU, the EU is crumbling and we have voted to get out at the right time.

All we are awaiting for is Theresa ReMAYn to invoke article 50. As soon as article 50 is invoked, we will have Australia, America, China, India and the rest of the biggest trading countries out there wanting to trade with us. Look how well Switzerland are doing since they left. Look how well Iceland are now doing, striking their own trade deal with China (something the EU have failed to do).

I honestly believe we will be much better off in the future. I want us to concentrate on looking after ourselves for a change. I don't care about the EU, I don't care about Germany and I sure as hell don't care about the Albania's, Turkey's and other inferior countries about to join the EU and drag us down to their level further. It's time to put our country and our own British people first.

Fantasy Island Mr Farage!

We didn't leave Europe - we chose to leave a failing EU that needs to be reformed root to branch.

Run by out of touch bureaucratic career politicians and which is beyond its current working useful life except for the career politicians & certain top and bottom countries riding the gravy train.

I looked at decent and proven economists experienced and informed views, such as Roger Bootle, as part of my own decision making process. The current EU is doomed and us leaving first was always going to put us in a position of strength to run a reformed future EU after the current state folds. If it costs me a few short term points on FX/investments/goods and holidays then its a small price to pay for a better future for the youngsters. Brexit is a horrible word but us leaving a basket case first is the catalyst in the initial collapse of the house of cards and combined with other 'unpredicted' events, will serve us well.

I respect all opinions on this, as its an emotive and personal subject but that said, I'm right. So there.

Agree with this.. Over the next few years you wait and see how it will all fall to pieces!

We didn't leave Europe - we chose to leave a failing EU that needs to be reformed root to branch.

Run by out of touch bureaucratic career politicians and which is beyond its current working useful life except for the career politicians & certain top and bottom countries riding the gravy train.

I looked at decent and proven economists experienced and informed views, such as Roger Bootle, as part of my own decision making process. The current EU is doomed and us leaving first was always going to put us in a position of strength to run a reformed future EU after the current state folds. If it costs me a few short term points on FX/investments/goods and holidays then its a small price to pay for a better future for the youngsters. Brexit is a horrible word but us leaving a basket case first is the catalyst in the initial collapse of the house of cards and combined with other 'unpredicted' events, will serve us well.

I respect all opinions on this, as its an emotive and personal subject but that said, I'm right. So there.

Agree with this.. Over the next few years you wait and see how it will all fall to pieces!

Well I agree with much of what has been said about how the EU has failed in many respects.

For me the answer would have been to remain and reform not leave.

I still think the referendum was two year too early and we should have used those two years to do better research on the implications of leaving, staying and reforming. The fact that many people voted to leave based on immigration issues and yet remaining in the common market is dependent on us having free movement of people is a bit of an own goal by the leave campaign. Now we may have to leave the common market in order to control immigration. That maybe a long term good thing or not.... the truth is we should have at least considered and researched these implications and come up with strategies BEFORE people voted.

We haven't left yet and already the government have admitted a 59 billion hole in public finances due to brexit - while we may not see an impact now we certainly will in the future. It may be rough for a number of years before it gets better and I don't think the 'rough' has really started and some people are in a false sense of security. My father, who is pro-Brexit, even admitted that the benefits, if realised at all, will take a generation and in the meantime things will get tricky.

Maybe brexit will be a good thing, maybe it will be a disaster. I just think the referendum was two years too early and we made an immature decision.

It's a total mess ,pity it can't be reversed

I think we'll be lucky if the pound rises after brexit,personally I think the ppl who voted leave voted for all the wrong reasons,to many narrow minded ppl got to vote on our future and it's only going to get worse,just my opinion

What's more 'narrow minded' than believing everyone else got it wrong Whatever the individual reasons were for 17 million people you can be sure they voted the way they did because they thought it was best for them. Out won and that has to be respected.

It's a total mess ,pity it can't be reversed

Explain the mess you refer to?

Well I agree with much of what has been said about how the EU has failed in many respects.

For me the answer would have been to remain and reform not leave.

I still think the referendum was two year too early and we should have used those two years to do better research on the implications of leaving, staying and reforming. The fact that many people voted to leave based on immigration issues and yet remaining in the common market is dependent on us having free movement of people is a bit of an own goal by the leave campaign. Now we may have to leave the common market in order to control immigration. That maybe a long term good thing or not.... the truth is we should have at least considered and researched these implications and come up with strategies BEFORE people voted.

We haven't left yet and already the government have admitted a 59 billion hole in public finances due to brexit - while we may not see an impact now we certainly will in the future. It may be rough for a number of years before it gets better and I don't think the 'rough' has really started and some people are in a false sense of security. My father, who is pro-Brexit, even admitted that the benefits, if realised at all, will take a generation and in the meantime things will get tricky.

Maybe brexit will be a good thing, maybe it will be a disaster. I just think the referendum was two years too early and we made an immature decision.

I have to disagree strongly a 2 year wait would have made no difference. Even now no-one has any idea what the impact will be and the Office of Budget Responsibility has admitted all of it's forecasts are their best guess because they simply don't know what is going to happen.

Two years more of waffle from both sides would have been mind blowing and served no purpose as no-one could add anything with any certainty.

I think we'll be lucky if the pound rises after brexit,personally I think the ppl who voted leave voted for all the wrong reasons,to many narrow minded ppl got to vote on our future and it's only going to get worse,just my opinion

What's more 'narrow minded' than believing everyone else got it wrong Whatever the individual reasons were for 17 million people you can be sure they voted the way they did because they thought it was best for them. Out won and that has to be respected.

Spot on Tony, I am sick of hearing remoanera bleat that they know the reasons as to why everyone of 17.5 million voted out.

Another point I'd make is he claims"we'll be lucky if the poundpound rises" ....We'll it already has.

Nobody in the United Kingdom ever voted to become part of any European State, Nobody in the United Kingdom ever voted to hand over law making powers to a European State so why is it any suprise the people voted out. In1974 we voted to become part of a single European market for trade, what it is now is a far uglier,powerful European State with powers nobody ever signed up to.

I think we'll be lucky if the pound rises after brexit,personally I think the ppl who voted leave voted for all the wrong reasons,to many narrow minded ppl got to vote on our future and it's only going to get worse,just my opinion

What's more 'narrow minded' than believing everyone else got it wrong Whatever the individual reasons were for 17 million people you can be sure they voted the way they did because they thought it was best for them. Out won and that has to be respected.

Spot on Tony, I am sick of hearing remoanera bleat that they know the reasons as to why everyone of 17.5 million voted out.

Another point I'd make is he claims"we'll be lucky if the poundpound rises" ....We'll it already has.

Nobody in the United Kingdom ever voted to become part of any European State, Nobody in the United Kingdom ever voted to hand over law making powers to a European State so why is it any suprise the people voted out. In1974 we voted to become part of a single European market for trade, what it is now is a far uglier,powerful European State with powers nobody ever signed up to.

Agree with you on this. Suggested above we may have voted a couple of years too early. I think we were probably 20 years too late.

All this is a bit premature,its like asking what the score is in a football match that hasn't kicked off yet.

I think we'll be lucky if the pound rises after brexit,personally I think the ppl who voted leave voted for all the wrong reasons,to many narrow minded ppl got to vote on our future and it's only going to get worse,just my opinion

What's more 'narrow minded' than believing everyone else got it wrong Whatever the individual reasons were for 17 million people you can be sure they voted the way they did because they thought it was best for them. Out won and that has to be respected.

Spot on Tony, I am sick of hearing remoanera bleat that they know the reasons as to why everyone of 17.5 million voted out.

Another point I'd make is he claims"we'll be lucky if the poundpound rises" ....We'll it already has.

Nobody in the United Kingdom ever voted to become part of any European State, Nobody in the United Kingdom ever voted to hand over law making powers to a European State so why is it any suprise the people voted out. In1974 we voted to become part of a single European market for trade, what it is now is a far uglier,powerful European State with powers nobody ever signed up to.

Agree with you on this. Suggested above we may have voted a couple of years too early. I think we were probably 20 years too late.

Totally agree tony Blair and brown sold us out to the European super state

Would Immers recent loss of form be known as a 'Lexit'? I'll get my coat.

Regardless of being in and out, the money will be wasted so if people voted based on financial reasons such as taking over our ourselves and using it to improve Britain you are very silly and dull because we are still going to throw too much money at things that don't need the funding it does and other pointless things.

But yeah people are actually going trust these useless dimwits control the money and use it to improve Britain, truthfully I don't see what people living in Wales benefit in voting out.. because we will be letting 'them' control our country independently and invest in one place and that's England.. no-one really benefits voting out if you are from Wales.. the one thing I'll grant the EU is they highlighted problems in our own country and funded a lot of things which were needed where the tories couldn't highlight them and threw so much money into the NHS to make it look like they was doing a 'good' job.

Elections next year in France, Germany and Holland, will be interesting to see what happens after the likes of Merkel are kicked out of office. I personally believe the EU is a failed project and won't last another 10 years. Brexit has kick started its demise.

Elections next year in France, Germany and Holland, will be interesting to see what happens after the likes of Merkel are kicked out of office. I personally believe the EU is a failed project and won't last another 10 years. Brexit has kick started its demise.

Spot on Mr Bishop the EU as we know it probably won't last another decade...the German elections next year are going to be very interesting...the German economy doesn't need to be in the EU to be successful!!!

We haven't even left the EU yet, we're not even close...

But does that stop Leave getting blamed for everything that's going wrong in the economy?... It's a left-wing conspiracy theory; that they think if they repeat it enough, people will actually believe it.

Globalised politics is completely broken, but the left-wing is too scared of political correctness to be able to discuss viable solutions to deliberately engineered "problems".

Regardless of being in and out, the money will be wasted so if people voted based on financial reasons such as taking over our ourselves and using it to improve Britain you are very silly and dull because we are still going to throw too much money at things that don't need the funding it does and other pointless things.

But yeah people are actually going trust these useless dimwits control the money and use it to improve Britain, truthfully I don't see what people living in Wales benefit in voting out.. because we will be letting 'them' control our country independently and invest in one place and that's England.. no-one really benefits voting out if you are from Wales.. the one thing I'll grant the EU is they highlighted problems in our own country and funded a lot of things which were needed where the tories couldn't highlight them and threw so much money into the NHS to make it look like they was doing a 'good' job.

See your entire post is all hypothetical yet your posting like it's fact. This is the problem. Nobody knows what will actually happen but there are people like yourself (doom and gloom merchants) giving out incorrect information.

How can you claim it is to the detriment of Wales when it hasn't happened.

We haven't even left the EU yet, we're not even close...

But does that stop Leave getting blamed for everything that's going wrong in the economy?... It's a left-wing conspiracy theory; that they think if they repeat it enough, people will actually believe it.

Globalised politics is completely broken, but the left-wing is too scared of political correctness to be able to discuss viable solutions to deliberately engineered "problems".

I guess they were always going to be blamed for absolutely everything, even though this country has been in a financial mess for years. A lot of politicians have been telling us how bad this will be, and it probably will for them, particularly those who are going to have to get off the EU gravy train when we leave. Going to hit the expenses of our MEP's big time.

We haven't even left the EU yet, we're not even close...

But does that stop Leave getting blamed for everything that's going wrong in the economy?... It's a left-wing conspiracy theory; that they think if they repeat it enough, people will actually believe it.

Globalised politics is completely broken, but the left-wing is too scared of political correctness to be able to discuss viable solutions to deliberately engineered "problems".

I guess they were always going to be blamed for absolutely everything, even though this country has been in a financial mess for years. A lot of politicians have been telling us how bad this will be, and it probably will for them, particularly those who are going to have to get off the EU gravy train when we leave. Going to hit the expenses of our MEP's big time.

Lets hope they throw the book at Farage for taking money under false pretences. Hope he has to pay back every last penny of his salary and of course his pension...

We haven't even left the EU yet, we're not even close...

But does that stop Leave getting blamed for everything that's going wrong in the economy?... It's a left-wing conspiracy theory; that they think if they repeat it enough, people will actually believe it.

Globalised politics is completely broken, but the left-wing is too scared of political correctness to be able to discuss viable solutions to deliberately engineered "problems".

I guess they were always going to be blamed for absolutely everything, even though this country has been in a financial mess for years. A lot of politicians have been telling us how bad this will be, and it probably will for them, particularly those who are going to have to get off the EU gravy train when we leave. Going to hit the expenses of our MEP's big time.

Lets hope they throw the book at Farage for taking money under false pretences. Hope he has to pay back every last penny of his salary and of course his pension...

He should be able to afford to, he is worth a few million. Wish I had his sort of money.

We haven't even left the EU yet, we're not even close...

But does that stop Leave getting blamed for everything that's going wrong in the economy?... It's a left-wing conspiracy theory; that they think if they repeat it enough, people will actually believe it.

Globalised politics is completely broken, but the left-wing is too scared of political correctness to be able to discuss viable solutions to deliberately engineered "problems".

I guess they were always going to be blamed for absolutely everything, even though this country has been in a financial mess for years. A lot of politicians have been telling us how bad this will be, and it probably will for them, particularly those who are going to have to get off the EU gravy train when we leave. Going to hit the expenses of our MEP's big time.

Lets hope they throw the book at Farage for taking money under false pretences. Hope he has to pay back every last penny of his salary and of course his pension...

Aaah aah Bisto Nigel!

We haven't even left the EU yet, we're not even close...

But does that stop Leave getting blamed for everything that's going wrong in the economy?... It's a left-wing conspiracy theory; that they think if they repeat it enough, people will actually believe it.

Globalised politics is completely broken, but the left-wing is too scared of political correctness to be able to discuss viable solutions to deliberately engineered "problems".

I guess they were always going to be blamed for absolutely everything, even though this country has been in a financial mess for years. A lot of politicians have been telling us how bad this will be, and it probably will for them, particularly those who are going to have to get off the EU gravy train when we leave. Going to hit the expenses of our MEP's big time.

Lets hope they throw the book at Farage for taking money under false pretences. Hope he has to pay back every last penny of his salary and of course his pension...

Aaah aah Bisto Nigel!

It never ceases to amaze me how many people this odious chancer managed to take in

We haven't even left the EU yet, we're not even close...

But does that stop Leave getting blamed for everything that's going wrong in the economy?... It's a left-wing conspiracy theory; that they think if they repeat it enough, people will actually believe it.

Globalised politics is completely broken, but the left-wing is too scared of political correctness to be able to discuss viable solutions to deliberately engineered "problems".

I guess they were always going to be blamed for absolutely everything, even though this country has been in a financial mess for years. A lot of politicians have been telling us how bad this will be, and it probably will for them, particularly those who are going to have to get off the EU gravy train when we leave. Going to hit the expenses of our MEP's big time.

Lets hope they throw the book at Farage for taking money under false pretences. Hope he has to pay back every last penny of his salary and of course his pension...

Aaah aah Bisto Nigel!

It never ceases to amaze me how many people this odious chancer managed to take in

Me too but he of course is only a puppet. His paymaster in chief, the odious Aaron Banks and his cronies are far more dangerous and now they believe they've tamed the transatlantic tiger (it's likely they'll have to think again!) they have full blown wind in their sails. With far right populism frothing up seemingly everywhere and the supremely popular Mr Blair wading into the fray, not to speak of Richard Brandon and his financial support for a Remain backlash, there is an awful long way to go in this game. The frightening outlook is that the debate will be binary from now on and the middle ground is shrinking fast.

Another remain big whopper

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I 100% agree with you those were outright lies. The EU army has been under discussion for quite some time and it was an inevitable component of the cohesive EU. Many politicians were afraid to discuss it publicly because they feared it would not go down well with the general public. However it will have to form if Europe wishes to protect itself from Russian expansionism and looking ahead a number of other dangerous threats. Already Trump is threatening to cut back the US contribution to NATO and with less and less American support the only chance Europe has of defending itself properly is to pool it's defence budget and organise itself as a unit.

We haven't even left the EU yet, we're not even close...

But does that stop Leave getting blamed for everything that's going wrong in the economy?... It's a left-wing conspiracy theory; that they think if they repeat it enough, people will actually believe it.

Globalised politics is completely broken, but the left-wing is too scared of political correctness to be able to discuss viable solutions to deliberately engineered "problems".

I guess they were always going to be blamed for absolutely everything, even though this country has been in a financial mess for years. A lot of politicians have been telling us how bad this will be, and it probably will for them, particularly those who are going to have to get off the EU gravy train when we leave. Going to hit the expenses of our MEP's big time.

Lets hope they throw the book at Farage for taking money under false pretences. Hope he has to pay back every last penny of his salary and of course his pension...

Aaah aah Bisto Nigel!

It never ceases to amaze me how many people this odious chancer managed to take in

Me too but he of course is only a puppet. His paymaster in chief, the odious Aaron Banks and his cronies are far more dangerous and now they believe they've tamed the transatlantic tiger (it's likely they'll have to think again!) they have full blown wind in their sails. With far right populism frothing up seemingly everywhere and the supremely popular Mr Blair wading into the fray, not to speak of Richard Brandon and his financial support for a Remain backlash, there is an awful long way to go in this game. The frightening outlook is that the debate will be binary from now on and the middle ground is shrinking fast.

Agree - the far right press seem to now think they have a mandate to preach their racism and bigotry without recourse. As I read somewhere else today, not one word from any of these so called newspapers about where the extremism that killed Jo Cox originated. If it had been anyone from any ethnic minority that had murdered her the headlines would be plastered all over the front pages. The fact that it was a white supremacist seems to have conveniently been ignored. And still welsh people on here defend the perpetrators and their puppets.

Another remain big whopper

I 100% agree with you those were outright lies. The EU army has been under discussion for quite some time and it was an inevitable component of the cohesive EU. Many politicians were afraid to discuss it publicly because they feared it would not go down well with the general public. However it will have to form if Europe wishes to protect itself from Russian expansionism and looking ahead a number of other dangerous threats. Already Trump is threatening to cut back the US contribution to NATO and with less and less American support the only chance Europe has of defending itself properly is to pool it's defence budget and organise itself as a unit.

Spot on - and what exactly is so wrong with Europe having an army? At the rate our armed forces are being cut, we might well be grateful for it one day... And at 420 million Euros per year, it will only take one weeks worth of the contributions promised to the NHS by the Brexiteers.

Another remain big whopper

I 100% agree with you those were outright lies. The EU army has been under discussion for quite some time and it was an inevitable component of the cohesive EU. Many politicians were afraid to discuss it publicly because they feared it would not go down well with the general public. However it will have to form if Europe wishes to protect itself from Russian expansionism and looking ahead a number of other dangerous threats. Already Trump is threatening to cut back the US contribution to NATO and with less and less American support the only chance Europe has of defending itself properly is to pool it's defence budget and organise itself as a unit.

Spot on - and what exactly is so wrong with Europe having an army? At the rate our armed forces are being cut, we might well be grateful for it one day... And at 420 million Euros per year, it will only take one weeks worth of the contributions promised to the NHS by the Brexiteers.

Sound like the Nazi have taken over to me, a federal eu superstate headed by Germany sound familiar ?