They are saying we are a disgrace

We are a disgrace. Even worse when people on here try to justify it. Probably calling us scabs.......

Were you this angry and vociferous last year when we didn't wear the poppy?? Or is it because the London based media have pointed it out to you this year??

And people still defend it. Shower of shit and fa have scabs all over um

So in order to remember the fallen we must break FIFA rules and potentially ruin one of the best opportunities we have had in our nations recent history to qualify for a World Cup?

Why can't we remember them by not breaking FIFA rules? or is that too much of a whacky idea?

England vs Scotland: Fifa says it has not banned poppies and any claims that it has are a 'distortion of the truth'
Fifa says it has 'reminded' all four British FAs of the rules regarding 'political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images' ahead of Friday's 2018 World Cup qualifier

The Guardian

I think people are losing sight of what is important here.

Remembering the fallen is what this date is all about, not wearing a poppy. You can do one without the other and the former is certainly an infinite times more important than the latter.

so what is the fuss?

Shower of shit

Well done England Scotland. Sorry we let you all down.

We are a disgrace. Even worse when people on here try to justify it. Probably calling us scabs.......

Were you this angry and vociferous last year when we didn't wear the poppy?? Or is it because the London based media have pointed it out to you this year??

And people still defend it. Shower of shit and fa have scabs all over um

Didn't answer my question I see so I'll assume I'm right.....you did nothing last year but this year you've been whipped up into a frenzy by the media.

FA has picked wrong fight - Mills

Former England defender Mills has questioned the English FA's stance on the poppy issue.

"I think the FA has picked the wrong fight," Mills told BBC Breakfast. "It is likely to get a fine because of this.

"Surely all of the money that has been spent on arguments, lawyers and the fine it may get from Fifa would have been much better being donated to the Royal British Legion. It would have done far more good than this needless argument.


"It's commercialised the poppy more than anything else. This is supposed to be a quiet remembrance, 11 o'clock, two-minutes silence remembering those that gave their lives, were injured and gave up so much for our freedom, for our freedom of speech."

We are a disgrace. Even worse when people on here try to justify it. Probably calling us scabs.......

Were you this angry and vociferous last year when we didn't wear the poppy?? Or is it because the London based media have pointed it out to you this year??

And people still defend it. Shower of shit and fa have scabs all over um

Didn't answer my question I see so I'll assume I'm right.....you did nothing last year but this year you've been whipped up into a frenzy by the media.

I think a few people are guilty of this.

Its turned into a "im remembering them more than you" event. It is supposed to have a quiet dignity about it.

FA has picked wrong fight - Mills

Former England defender Mills has questioned the English FA's stance on the poppy issue.

"I think the FA has picked the wrong fight," Mills told BBC Breakfast. "It is likely to get a fine because of this.

"Surely all of the money that has been spent on arguments, lawyers and the fine it may get from Fifa would have been much better being donated to the Royal British Legion. It would have done far more good than this needless argument.


"It's commercialised the poppy more than anything else. This is supposed to be a quiet remembrance, 11 o'clock, two-minutes silence remembering those that gave their lives, were injured and gave up so much for our freedom, for our freedom of speech."

I think that's a fairly sensible view, albeit not a popular one.

I agree that the time, money and energy would have been much better directed towards the RBL or others.

I along with millions of others observed two minutes' silence today, and have also been wearing my poppy. The fact that a football team won't be wearing one tomorrow doesn't really register with me. Especially given the efforts the FAW are going to before the match.

I think people are losing sight of what is important here.

Remembering the fallen is what this date is all about, not wearing a poppy. You can do one without the other and the former is certainly an infinite times more important than the latter.

so what is the fuss?

Well said

I think people are losing sight of what is important here.

Remembering the fallen is what this date is all about, not wearing a poppy. You can do one without the other and the former is certainly an infinite times more important than the latter.

so what is the fuss?

Well said

There was a time when remembering the fallen was a dignified, solemn affair not something you shouted about on a football forum and those who are claiming its a disgrace and the FAW are scabs should really take a long hard look at themselves.

The fact that there is so much heat and anger on here, and elsewhere, shows that, sadly, the Poppy has become politicised. This was not an issue ten years ago. The Poppy was for the fallen of The Great War, and WW2. The more recent wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan, seem to have complicated things. Not to mention the NATO bombing of Belgrade. Serbia will complain. Nobody seems to be arguing against the principle of wearing Poppies, but only over the FAW's response. There are even conflicting versions of what FIFA have actually said. England and Scotland seem to be in a different position to ourselves and Northern Ireland. It's all a bit if a mess!

Personally, I have been wearing a Poppy all week. I'm a RC Priest, and will be saying Mass for 'the dead of war' on Sunday morning, Remembrance Sunday. I'm no bleeding-heart liberal, or pacifist. WW2, in particular, was a just war.

This is a hugely depressing thread. The FAW are not coming out of this looking good. If no last-minute compromise can be reached, then, personally, I think that we should defy FIFA, and wear the Poppy black arm bands. If we lose three points, then so be it. FIFA will then be under pressure to do the same to England and Scotland, but as neither will complain about each other, I doubt they will. The only consolation is that Wales probably won't qualify anyway, so a points-deduction won't matter in the long term.

This whole fiasco, FIFA's fault, should never have happened. Can't wait to get back to club football!

The fact that there is so much heat and anger on here, and elsewhere, shows that, sadly, the Poppy has become politicised. This was not an issue ten years ago. The Poppy was for the fallen of The Great War, and WW2. The more recent wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan, seem to have complicated things. Not to mention the NATO bombing of Belgrade. Serbia will complain. Nobody seems to be arguing against the principle of wearing Poppies, but only over the FAW's response. There are even conflicting versions of what FIFA have actually said. England and Scotland seem to be in a different position to ourselves and Northern Ireland. It's all a bit if a mess!

Personally, I have been wearing a Poppy all week. I'm a RC Priest, and will be saying Mass for 'the dead of war' on Sunday morning, Remembrance Sunday. I'm no bleeding-heart liberal, or pacifist. WW2, in particular, was a just war.

This is a hugely depressing thread. The FAW are not coming out of this looking good. If no last-minute compromise can be reached, then, personally, I think that we should defy FIFA, and wear the Poppy black arm bands. If we lose three points, then so be it. FIFA will then be under pressure to do the same to England and Scotland, but as neither will complain about each other, I doubt they will. The only consolation is that Wales probably won't qualify anyway, so a points-deduction won't matter in the long term.

This whole fiasco, FIFA's fault, should never have happened. Can't wait to get back to club football!

For me, wearing a poppy is no more than a mark of respect for those who have given their lives so that I can live in freedom. I am not interested in politics. I think it should be personal choice as to whether someone wishes to wear a poppy, and I believe the problem lies with people being told that they cannot display a poppy by some faceless people, most of whom are based overseas. A lot of people are sick and tired of being told what they can and can't do in their own country by people from other countries who have nothing to do with the UK. If a football player wishes to show his respect in front of a large audience, he should be able to do so. If he chooses not to, fair enough. Those we are respecting died so that we can make these sort of choices, and I don't see why somebody else should impose their will on us.

The fact that there is so much heat and anger on here, and elsewhere, shows that, sadly, the Poppy has become politicised. This was not an issue ten years ago. The Poppy was for the fallen of The Great War, and WW2. The more recent wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan, seem to have complicated things. Not to mention the NATO bombing of Belgrade. Serbia will complain. Nobody seems to be arguing against the principle of wearing Poppies, but only over the FAW's response. There are even conflicting versions of what FIFA have actually said. England and Scotland seem to be in a different position to ourselves and Northern Ireland. It's all a bit if a mess!

Personally, I have been wearing a Poppy all week. I'm a RC Priest, and will be saying Mass for 'the dead of war' on Sunday morning, Remembrance Sunday. I'm no bleeding-heart liberal, or pacifist. WW2, in particular, was a just war.

This is a hugely depressing thread. The FAW are not coming out of this looking good. If no last-minute compromise can be reached, then, personally, I think that we should defy FIFA, and wear the Poppy black arm bands. If we lose three points, then so be it. FIFA will then be under pressure to do the same to England and Scotland, but as neither will complain about each other, I doubt they will. The only consolation is that Wales probably won't qualify anyway, so a points-deduction won't matter in the long term.

This whole fiasco, FIFA's fault, should never have happened. Can't wait to get back to club football!

For me, wearing a poppy is no more than a mark of respect for those who have given their lives so that I can live in freedom. I am not interested in politics. I think it should be personal choice as to whether someone wishes to wear a poppy, and I believe the problem lies with people being told that they cannot display a poppy by some faceless people, most of whom are based overseas. A lot of people are sick and tired of being told what they can and can't do in their own country by people from other countries who have nothing to do with the UK. If a football player wishes to show his respect in front of a large audience, he should be able to do so. If he chooses not to, fair enough. Those we are respecting died so that we can make these sort of choices, and I don't see why somebody else should impose their will on us.

They aren't saying they cant wear poppies in their own country. They are saying they can't make any political statements or display and political symbols (of which the poppy has unfortunately become) while playing football in a tournament that the governing body represents.

Surely common sense says "i'll wear one after the game then". But no, everyone loves a drama and to be offended these days. Half of which have probably never bought a poppy in their lives.

The people who are complaining about it are the same ones who will probably be going to the game, if you don't like it don't go if you feel that strongly about it.. show if you honestly care about it.

There is probably some football politics in this as well. A lot of countries resent the four home nations have such influence on the laws of the game, and would really like one UK association and team. Another way to get at us.

A lot of bollocks in my opinion has been written on this site re poppies. this is one of the best things I've read on the issue:

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A lot of bollocks in my opinion has been written on this site re poppies. this is one of the best things I've read on the issue:

Has anyone said wearing a poppy should be mandatory? Has anyone said we must show our respect in a specific way? If they have they are wrong. It should be freedom of choice.

A lot of bollocks in my opinion has been written on this site re poppies. this is one of the best things I've read on the issue:

Has anyone said wearing a poppy should be mandatory? Has anyone said we must show our respect in a specific way? If they have they are wrong. It should be freedom of choice.

There are quite a few on this forum saying just that!

We are a disgrace!

A lot of bollocks in my opinion has been written on this site re poppies. this is one of the best things I've read on the issue:

Sometimes rules are ment to be broken

Never happened years ago, you just paid your respects, and didnt wet the bed every time something happens you dont like...

Never happened years ago, you just paid your respects, and didnt wet the bed every time something happens you dont like...

Nicely put.

Never happened years ago, you just paid your respects, and didnt wet the bed every time something happens you dont like...

Trouble is the kids who never had respect and were brought up like that have had kids who have carried on the tradition and now they have kids!

That's why they get 3/4 chances to pass their exams can riot when then feel aggrieved and demand to run the company from the outset instead of making the tea.

I see in one paper today (Daily Mirror) a writer has said Hilary Clinton lost because she was a woman? No mention that she is corrupt and not trustworthy.

Whatever ones thoughts on poppies and respect. Those that died would probably think "why did I bother" if given a second chance. Respect to them all.

The poppy was only first worn in 2011 so I guess we was all a disgrace up until then,what a load of bollocks,wearing a poppy isn't the only way to show respect ffs

The poppy was only first worn in 2011 so I guess we was all a disgrace up until then,what a load of bollocks,wearing a poppy isn't the only way to show respect ffs

It's not just about how you respect those who died for us, it's about having the freedom to decide how you wish to pay your respects. Ps. I first had a poppy in the early 60's, way before 2011.

The FAW and Wales team have done more to genuinely remember and respect fallen UK soldiers in the past few years than the English FA, Scottish FA, tabloid media or internet trolls combined. When the team visited the war graves in 2014 it was out of genuine interest and respect - not to score public relations points in the press.

Their decision on the latest 'iron-on flower' is sensible and grown up.

The other actions by the FAW to mark Armistice Day and show respect for the fallen are all appropriate - much more than was done in past years but not giving in to the hysterical nonsense that has surrounded Poppygate. I hope it remains personal and dignified - as it should be. Those shouting 'disgrace' have completely lost the plot and are clearly more interested in political gestures than respect and remembrance.

There are a lot of things wrong with the FAW - but this isn't one of them.

The poppy was only first worn in 2011 so I guess we was all a disgrace up until then,what a load of bollocks,wearing a poppy isn't the only way to show respect ffs

It's not just about how you respect those who died for us, it's about having the freedom to decide how you wish to pay your respects. Ps. I first had a poppy in the early 60's, way before 2011.

I think he meant 2011 they were first worn on football shirts

I bet the Nottingham miners had excuses for not going on strike. Tying to justify their actions.


Hang your heads in shame welsh fa.

Come 7.46pm no one will care about it! Very ott reaction by people after all at 7.40 wreaths will be laid and silence observed that should be sufficient respect for everyone .