' Who wants in? and who wants out? '

I'm Out.careful consideration and I believe the positives out weigh the negatives.seems big campaign of fear by companies and the Ins.they would have you believe that the world is gonna stop turning and the sun is gonna fall out of the sky.

OUT.. the EU worked when it was France, Spain, Germany, Italy, as we lived there, they lived here, and there seemed to be a balance, this freedom of movement rule for the joining Country's where 100,000 of thousands I think in some cases over 1 million, from Country's like Poland, Slovakia, Romania etc, just does not work, because people don't go the other way to balance it up, that's where for me it's madness..

Oh and one other thing, getting 28 or so different Country's to all agree what Britain CAN and CAN'T do is just bull shit, they need us, more than we need them, they sell much more to us, than we do to them. you get the picture....

Not forgetting Albania have applied to be in

Just looking at the security issue of EU membership, as the pro EU people keep on about it.

How well is it doing for France????
Concert goers, football matches, restaurants, beheaded going to work. Charlie Hebdo. Doesn't seem to be doing much for French security.

How well is it doing for Belgium??
Massive internal problems, that are being freely and easily exported to the rest of their neighbours. Doesn't seem to be doing much for Belgians or their neigbours safety/security.

How well is it doing for German safety/security????
Especially their women, who are being raped, sexually assaulted/robbed/mugged in their thousands. 600 incidents in Cologne on New Years Eve. Many hundreds across the rest of Germany
Doesn't seem to be doing much for Germans safety/security.

The only reason there have been no major European wars for 60 years is because of NATO (and our own unilateral nuclear defence). It has absolutely ZERO to do with the EU. Our military is still one of the best in the world and the Europeans need us more than we will ever need them.

We are a proud indepedent nation, that would be far safer with our own sovereignty and control of our borders. So the security/safety issue is one that shows we are safer outside the EU than in it.

The Uk would still be in NATO (100% guaranteed, with our main allies of the USA and Canada fully backing us).
The UK would still be one of the 5 main permanent members of the United Nations, as this is not dependant on EU membership, infact it could be argued we give the rest of the EU some credibility by being there.

Definitely out. This is the right time to leave the EU. Forget about all the hogwash about what the EU has done for us....it would have been 10 times better if we hadn't been in the EU. Because we are one of the richer countries we have put in a hell of a lot more than we have taken out of the EU. Our trade with the EU countries won't just stop....it means we have free trade.

The migrant problem won't go away and sooner or later the EU will dictate to us the number of migrants that we have to take in - I don't want even one of those evil bastards. There are problems with deporting criminals as 9 times out of 10 the EU stops us. There must be good reasons why Switzerland does not now want to join the EU.

Our NHS is effectively being raped by Eastern Europeans. I'll bet most of you don't realise how much our healthcare is being abused. This is costing millions. The government loses billions in VAT fraud which can't happen if we're not in the EU. There are millions paid in benefits for families that are not even in the UK.

I'm also sick and tired of the EU dictating the laws to us. It should be our country our laws! Get us the hell out.

Stan B: Are you talking about migrants or refugees?

Unfortunately the vast majority lap up what written in the Brexit media-Sky News, Star, Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express....

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Now, in or out of Europe wouldn't change much in middle or the south of England but here in Wales so much of the little we have depends on Europe. Fine, they might have wealth in London and the s.e but Wales is still regarded as one of the poorest area in Europe, poorer than Romania, poorer than Poland, most areas of Wales still qualify for Objective 1 funding because of this.
Do you honestly believe that a London government having left the EU would invest in Wales on the same scale?
They never have done and never will.

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

?

Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

?

Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

because brits never went to live in spain before the eu right?

Unfortunately the vast majority lap up what written in the Brexit media-Sky News, Star, Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express....

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Now, in or out of Europe wouldn't change much in middle or the south of England but here in Wales so much of the little we have depends on Europe. Fine, they might have wealth in London and the s.e but Wales is still regarded as one of the poorest area in Europe, poorer than Romania, poorer than Poland, most areas of Wales still qualify for Objective 1 funding because of this.
Do you honestly believe that a London government having left the EU would invest in Wales on the same scale?
They never have done and never will.

Prove it ! You do know that most of money from the eu gets match funded by our tax payers money too !

Wez,

Let me get this right, you are saying that the money we in Wales get, is match funded by Welsh taxpayers.

Where did you get this information from ?

Spike

In

My company imports machinery from Europe - trading could be affected

European standards have improved many things in this country and many companies in Wales rely on Euro hand outs for trade. This is my life blood - to risk it seems ludicrous to me but I do understand why people would like to see Out - however the pro's outweigh the cons in my opinion

I'm Out.careful consideration and I believe the positives out weigh the negatives.seems big campaign of fear by companies and the Ins.they would have you believe that the world is gonna stop turning and the sun is gonna fall out of the sky.

Yes, just like the fears over the millenium when some companies made a fortune saying our computers would suddenly stop. Ha ha. Its all scare mongering to keep us trapped in the EU.

Wez,

Let me get this right, you are saying that the money we in Wales get, is match funded by Welsh taxpayers.

Where did you get this information from ?

Spike

Objective 1 money from Europe is match funded by the Welsh assembly and that a fact our tax payers money

I'm going to wait, I was more 'Out' but now the referendum is to happen we should all take our time to decide.

In

My company imports machinery from Europe - trading could be affected

European standards have improved many things in this country and many companies in Wales rely on Euro hand outs for trade. This is my life blood - to risk it seems ludicrous to me but I do understand why people would like to see Out - however the pro's outweigh the cons in my opinion

Why would your company stop importing machinery from Europe?
Absolutely ridiculous to think they would no longer sell to you. Most of Europe is bankrupt (or very close to it).
We have the worlds 5th largest economy (will be 4th in 10 years time). They will be desperate to keep supplying you, possibly at a cheaper price as you could now search for the same machinery elsewhere in the world at a cheaper price (without the EU taxes and tariffs).
Think of that. Freedom to deal with whoever you want and negotiate your own deals and prices.

Unfortunately the vast majority lap up what written in the Brexit media-Sky News, Star, Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express....

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Now, in or out of Europe wouldn't change much in middle or the south of England but here in Wales so much of the little we have depends on Europe. Fine, they might have wealth in London and the s.e but Wales is still regarded as one of the poorest area in Europe, poorer than Romania, poorer than Poland, most areas of Wales still qualify for Objective 1 funding because of this.
Do you honestly believe that a London government having left the EU would invest in Wales on the same scale?
They never have done and never will.

Well lets hope the majority do lap up the Brexit media. Instead of the cowardly, hiding behind others, let someone else make the decisions, just keep my handouts coming, brigade.
If we are poorer than Poland and Romania, why are so many over here? If we are poorer, what does that say about the Welsh Assembly after 17 years of uninterrupted rule by the labour party?
Why could any Welshman want to live off handouts? Let's get our pride back and manage our own affairs. Live or die by our own means and decisions.

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I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Mason, the EU is crippling the UK

As to trade America, China, Russia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden etc etc are not in it and they survive very very well.

Your family survive in Mallorca on their own hard earned money, like mine will and Spain needs us, even the Spanish Prime Minister stated that in Frbruary this year

We have to pay to live in Mallorca, they don't had out money for nothing.
What about all the Russians and Chinese they survive well in Mallorca

Russia are only surviving because of arms and oil/gas exports.

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Mason, the EU is crippling the UK

As to trade America, China, Russia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden etc etc are not in it and they survive very very well.

Your family survive in Mallorca on their own hard earned money, like mine will and Spain needs us, even the Spanish Prime Minister stated that in Frbruary this year

We have to pay to live in Mallorca, they don't had out money for nothing.
What about all the Russians and Chinese they survive well in Mallorca

Russia are only surviving because of arms and oil/gas exports.

Why wouldn't you be allowed to live in a non EU country? They need you, much more than you need them. I expect 1000's of Brits run businesses in the EU and contribute to the economy, not begging for handouts and freebies all the time.
I can honestly say I have never heard a British person say " I am off to Spain (or any other country for that matter) to get benefits and live off them". Unlike the 1000's that arrive on our shores.
Many Brits live and work in non EU countries.

The people saying in and spouting that Wales wouldn't survive and we need eu cash , need to wake up, Wales wouldnt need hand outs if we could trade freely with the rest of the world ,eu have destroyed our farming fishing ,manufacturing and steel industry

45 million a day UK pays in x 365

Let's get out before its to late, let's get back to being the Country we were.

The US states we are closer to them than they are to the EU

Unfortunately the vast majority lap up what written in the Brexit media-Sky News, Star, Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express....

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Now, in or out of Europe wouldn't change much in middle or the south of England but here in Wales so much of the little we have depends on Europe. Fine, they might have wealth in London and the s.e but Wales is still regarded as one of the poorest area in Europe, poorer than Romania, poorer than Poland, most areas of Wales still qualify for Objective 1 funding because of this.
Do you honestly believe that a London government having left the EU would invest in Wales on the same scale?
They never have done and never will.

Prove it ! You do know that most of money from the eu gets match funded by our tax payers money too !

Absolute rubbish!!! Actually the then Labour Government refused to match fund Objective 1 money in round 1. Successive governments have refused to fully match fund this money.
But the real question you should be asking yourself is why Wales needs this EU money when other regions of the UK don't. It's simply down to lack investment in Wales.

Unfortunately the vast majority lap up what written in the Brexit media-Sky News, Star, Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express....

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Now, in or out of Europe wouldn't change much in middle or the south of England but here in Wales so much of the little we have depends on Europe. Fine, they might have wealth in London and the s.e but Wales is still regarded as one of the poorest area in Europe, poorer than Romania, poorer than Poland, most areas of Wales still qualify for Objective 1 funding because of this.
Do you honestly believe that a London government having left the EU would invest in Wales on the same scale?
They never have done and never will.

Well lets hope the majority do lap up the Brexit media. Instead of the cowardly, hiding behind others, let someone else make the decisions, just keep my handouts coming, brigade.
If we are poorer than Poland and Romania, why are so many over here? If we are poorer, what does that say about the Welsh Assembly after 17 years of uninterrupted rule by the labour party?



Why could any Welshman want to live off handouts? Let's get our pride back and manage our own affairs. Live or die by our own means and decisions.

I totally agree with your last sentence, I'm for Welsh independence too, good for you!

OUT!

Europe is running scared that a UK with 'bottle' will instigate the end of the bureaucratic dictatorship that was not the original ideal of the Common Market!

Sven, leaving the EU would be a big risk, we are safer & better off staying. Think of the type of matters we are putting at risk if we were to leave including - Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security etc. We must remain 100% IMO

I'm in. I think there is far too much focus on the negatives of the EU and not enough concentration on the positives. We should learn from the mistakes of the US when it tried to go it alone after World War I. It did not work. We are not a self-sufficient country any more so we will need a lot more countries more than they need us. It's better to remain a part of the EU and play a part in its positive evolution than just break away and go it alone. Isolation never ends well for the country that makes the parting decision.

I agree, we are better off & safer staying

I'm in.

Slightly worried that Cameron has a very poor argument on it. Sort of think that he wants Corbyn and Labour to do the fight for him.

But when you weigh everything up, we are more secure in the EU. My main reason behind that is trade. You may say nations not in the EU do OK, but you could also make example of nations outside who don't do so well.

I have to admit I wasn't that clued up on this, despite being interested in politics, but having read all the FACTS I am definitely IN.

People need facts to make their minds up, alot of the stuff the eurosceptics like Boris and Farage are giving people is fiction.

Latest odds by the way:

In 3/10
Out 9/4

I agree Ned, we are better off & safer staying. People need to think of the consequences of leaving before they vote OUT.

The people saying in and spouting that Wales wouldn't survive and we need eu cash , need to wake up, Wales wouldnt need hand outs if we could trade freely with the rest of the world ,eu have destroyed our farming fishing ,manufacturing and steel industry

Some idiots seen to think Wales is one of Europe's poorest countries yet we have 10's of 1000's of eastern european's living here for a better life.

I'm in. I think there is far too much focus on the negatives of the EU and not enough concentration on the positives. We should learn from the mistakes of the US when it tried to go it alone after World War I. It did not work. We are not a self-sufficient country any more so we will need a lot more countries more than they need us. It's better to remain a part of the EU and play a part in its positive evolution than just break away and go it alone. Isolation never ends well for the country that makes the parting decision.

I agree, we are better off & safer staying

You should be more concerned about Spain staying in it shouldn't you?

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Sorry Mason but I don't care what happens to ex pats living abroad, your'e Spains problem now, not ours. Yes you would have a right to live in an EU country, there are plenty of Brits working in the banks in Switzerland and I can count almost 30 friends of mine who have emigrated to Australia and New Zealand. Do you get a vote by the way?

I am out. Don't listen to the scaremongering from the other side, vote with your head. I think we are being held back by the EU, we need to do more trade with out commonwealth partners. India and Nigeria are growing economies and their governments and ours have a strong relationship. Currently we can't trade adequately with these countries to our detriment. I would urge all those who want to leave the EU to stop banging on about immigration and security, it's boring and puts people off. Talk about trade, the economy, sovereignty and democracy.

Yes I do get a vote & will definitely be voting to stay

The future of us expats living abroad is in doubt & it may well effect us.

We are safer & better off remaining in the EU, think of the risks & consequences of leaving: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security etc we are risking all these type of matters & it's a risk not worth taking IMO.

Also, with all the problems going on in the World at the moment, this is the wrong time to be holding a referendum & to be considering to leave.

I want what's best for my country & in my opinion that is for us to remain & have a safer & better future

In 2005 Tony Blair agreed to a 40% cut in the rebate the UK received since the agreement reached by Margaret Thatcher in 1984. At the very core of that agreement was the UK was promised that the Common Agricultural Policy would be fundamentally reformed and to put it simply it hasn't been.

Germany and France had Blair over with this and it has cost our country £b's in lost rebate payments. Cameron has been going on about this for years but has he included this in his "Special" agreement we are ALL about to have a say in NO despite years of having a go at Labour and Tony Blair in particular.

This is typical of how the big players (Germany and France) only vote for what is best for them and stopping billions of euro's being given back to farmers in both countries is politically unthinkable, a pity they don't have a problem with stealing £b's of UK taxpayers money by signing up to an agreement they had absolutely no intention of implementing.

I'm in Annis

Britain are safer & better off in the EU & leaving would be too much of a risk.

The advantages of remaining in the EU: Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security & many others.

And also, what will happen to all the expats living abroad, including you & myself. What would be our future? Would we have a right to live in an EU country?

Before voting OUT think of the risks & consequences of leaving.

Mason, the EU is crippling the UK

As to trade America, China, Russia, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden etc etc are not in it and they survive very very well.

Your family survive in Mallorca on their own hard earned money, like mine will and Spain needs us, even the Spanish Prime Minister stated that in Frbruary this year

We have to pay to live in Mallorca, they don't had out money for nothing.
What about all the Russians and Chinese they survive well in Mallorca

Annis, we gain far more in trade than we spend on it, the EU is our biggest trading partner, accounting for over half of our trade.

What about Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security? And there are many others.

We are safer & better off in the EU. I will say it again, leaving would be a big risk.

What's your reasons for leaving?

It's all about opinions

It is incorrect to say the EU accounts for over half our trade, it is less than half and decreasing year on year. Trade with the rest of the world is over half and increasing.

Ok I'll say it again, We gain far more in trade than we spend on it, the EU is our biggest trading partner, accounting for over half of our trade. This is a true fact

Trade, Freedom to work and study abroad, jobs, security etc, what would be the future if we left?