" SURELY NO MORE BLAME & HAD ENOUGH TIME "

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

He said debt free in exchange for the rebrand which the fans leaders agreed to. All except Dave Sugarman.

Chris, I 100% never agreed and nor did 3 others.

But he had his Rebrand for 2 years, Debt Free was promised by Tan that it would happen with in months and it never.

Annis at the time you and Carl come back on the forum after the meeting held when he threatened to walk and asked everyone to calm down. Not blaming you as I don't know the circumstances of how it was put across at the meeting but defo happened.

I think only after the rebrand really kicked in did people start changing their mind. Dave Sugarnan was the only one who come out and public ally opposed it on the TV. I take no pleasure in saying that as I find him very arrogant (online anyway don't know him personally) but he was defo the only well known supporter / fans leader who made his resistance clear from the start.

people were more than happy in our promotion season and the start of the premier ship season and only turned once we started losing ,

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

He said debt free in exchange for the rebrand which the fans leaders agreed to. All except Dave Sugarman.

Chris, I 100% never agreed and nor did 3 others.

But he had his Rebrand for 2 years, Debt Free was promised by Tan that it would happen with in months and it never.

Annis at the time you and Carl come back on the forum after the meeting held when he threatened to walk and asked everyone to calm down. Not blaming you as I don't know the circumstances of how it was put across at the meeting but defo happened.

I think only after the rebrand really kicked in did people start changing their mind. Dave Sugarnan was the only one who come out and public ally opposed it on the TV. I take no pleasure in saying that as I find him very arrogant (online anyway don't know him personally) but he was defo the only well known supporter / fans leader who made his resistance clear from the start.

people were more than happy in our promotion season and the start of the premier ship season and only turned once we started losing ,

Exactly.

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

He said debt free in exchange for the rebrand which the fans leaders agreed to. All except Dave Sugarman.

Chris, I 100% never agreed and nor did 3 others.

But he had his Rebrand for 2 years, Debt Free was promised by Tan that it would happen with in months and it never.

Annis at the time you and Carl come back on the forum after the meeting held when he threatened to walk and asked everyone to calm down. Not blaming you as I don't know the circumstances of how it was put across at the meeting but defo happened.

I think only after the rebrand really kicked in did people start changing their mind. Dave Sugarnan was the only one who come out and public ally opposed it on the TV. I take no pleasure in saying that as I find him very arrogant (online anyway don't know him personally) but he was defo the only well known supporter / fans leader who made his resistance clear from the start.

people were more than happy in our promotion season and the start of the premier ship season and only turned once we started losing ,

I was not I walked out of the ground and sat in the Ninian Park Pub

Wez, you were not even supporting City during the rebrand years, so you don't really know what it was like, plus you don't go to away games, so you don't know really how the diehards feel, a fact

AGAIN WEZ, HAS CHANGED THE TOPIC

Everyone says your my stalker and follow me 24/7

Your on a complete wind up

At least I go to every game, no matter how bad we play and have done for 43 years

I honestly will not be answering your posts, u even admitted to me in person, u do it for a laugh, GET A LIFE

What everyone is not being honest about is that Tan has run our club for 6 years and has got us in a worse mess than when he arrived, surely after 6 years we should now be debt free as promised by Vincent Tan himself?

He said debt free in exchange for the rebrand which the fans leaders agreed to. All except Dave Sugarman.

Chris, I 100% never agreed and nor did 3 others.

But he had his Rebrand for 2 years, Debt Free was promised by Tan that it would happen with in months and it never.

Annis at the time you and Carl come back on the forum after the meeting held when he threatened to walk and asked everyone to calm down. Not blaming you as I don't know the circumstances of how it was put across at the meeting but defo happened.

I think only after the rebrand really kicked in did people start changing their mind. Dave Sugarnan was the only one who come out and public ally opposed it on the TV. I take no pleasure in saying that as I find him very arrogant (online anyway don't know him personally) but he was defo the only well known supporter / fans leader who made his resistance clear from the start.

people were more than happy in our promotion season and the start of the premier ship season and only turned once we started losing ,

I was not I walked out of the ground and sat in the Ninian Park Pub

Wez, you were not even supporting City during the rebrand years, so you don't really know what it was like, plus you don't go to away games, so you don't know really how the diehards feel, a fact

Of course I supported them I'm a Cardiff City supporter ,I went to a few games I even spoke to you on face book about it but I wasn't going to broadcast on here at the time coz I was banned ,you say I don't know how die hards fans feel but I know exactly as the die Hard's are my friend s as you well know,the die Hard's have had enough of the negativity and wish that people just moved on,a lot of my die hard friends don't go not because of the re-brand or tan but coz of the new stadium and modern football ,no I'm not going to away games at the moment coz I got a 3 month baby which I care for as the Mrs works in my chip shop full time ,I think people tell you what you want to hear as they know that you love the negativity ,at some point in time you will have to move on ,I think supporting Cardiff will be alot better for you when you do !

AGAIN WEZ, HAS CHANGED THE TOPIC

Everyone says your my stalker and follow me 24/7

Your on a complete wind up

At least I go to every game, no matter how bad we play and have done for 43 years

I honestly will not be answering your posts, u even admitted to me in person, u do it for a laugh, GET A LIFE

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OK annis

Time to move on Annis most of the people who hated the re-brand have and just want to support the club ,tan has increased the debt by his 100 million investment he said he would provide us with also he has written off large amount s of cash and also partly converted debt to equity I have no doubt that he will make us profitable

Another joke by Wez

Have they?

I've kept supporting City through it all, I have not seen an improvement in our support home or away and I go to both, Have you seen an improvement yes or no Wez, straight answer please

And time to move on, tell that to the fans who are still broken.

You still have not discussed how we are still seriously in trouble SIX YEARS ON ???

I honestly will not be replying to you anymore Wez as your just on a wind up mission 24/7

Are we in court every week ? Come on Annis you need to start to move on ,I'm not winding you up at all it seems that you just want everyone to agree with you but some like me don't if your going to post something negative about the club then expect a response or do you want everyone to lick your arse?

Don't agree with everything Annis is saying but I don't see how threads like this are having any negative impact on the club? It's a valid point, we are still not debt free which was promised. If we all move on like some posters are suggesting then Tan can do and say what he likes unopposed.

Don't agree with everything Annis is saying but I don't see how threads like this are having any negative impact on the club? It's a valid point, we are still not debt free which was promised. If we all move on like some posters are suggesting then Tan can do and say what he likes unopposed.

Spot on

Don't agree with everything Annis is saying but I don't see how threads like this are having any negative impact on the club? It's a valid point, we are still not debt free which was promised. If we all move on like some posters are suggesting then Tan can do and say what he likes unopposed.

That's some pretty progressive thinking there. Spot on let's stagnate and and not try to move forward.
Wow this country needs more forward thinkers like you. Lmao. Unbelievable.

The Debt to equity was promised with in months,the Rebrand lasted nearly 2 years.

The Facts are Tan has run our club for 6 years and we are in a terrible state.

Other than the few on here who continually stick up for Tan, the majority of City fans do not support Tan.
His 12,500 Glory hunters where are they now?

And please someone explain why " SIX YEARS " Later we are still in a mess under this Regime?

I wish I could, views have been offered on this thread so who knows it is what it is. Why can't we move on in positive way??

There are a lot more than 12,500 glory boys. I think from the days when we were in div 4. But that football it happen in every club the higher and better you get the more people interested. Applies for pretty much every thing in life and 100% of the time in sports. Trick is to keep the upward trend or at least maintain a high standard.



I have a sneaky feeling we be in the prem next season.

I 100% will move on a positive way once our club is debt free as promised Don't you want the same?


When I watch my team, I am always positive and sang my heart out yesterday away at Huddersfield

Don't agree with everything Annis is saying but I don't see how threads like this are having any negative impact on the club? It's a valid point, we are still not debt free which was promised. If we all move on like some posters are suggesting then Tan can do and say what he likes unopposed.

That's some pretty progressive thinking there. Spot on let's stagnate and and not try to move forward.
Wow this country needs more forward thinkers like you. Lmao. Unbelievable.

By discussing this we are moving forward, the debt is an on going saga which hasn't been resolved. Not discussing the debt means we are stagnating surely?

I agree with moving on from the rebrand, that's old news and something that has been resolved, I object to people constantly bringing that up but the debt is a different matter. Evidently the country does need more people like me to keep those that want to turn a blind eye to everything in check.

And who are you keeping in check may I ask? What influence do you have that the owner thinks he's accountable to you?? Unfortunatly for us our club owner was not elected, and I'm pretty sure he couldn't care less what you and I think about how he's running his business. Which is also unfortunate for ccfc.

Don't agree with everything Annis is saying but I don't see how threads like this are having any negative impact on the club? It's a valid point, we are still not debt free which was promised. If we all move on like some posters are suggesting then Tan can do and say what he likes unopposed.

That's some pretty progressive thinking there. Spot on let's stagnate and and not try to move forward.
Wow this country needs more forward thinkers like you. Lmao. Unbelievable.

By discussing this we are moving forward, the debt is an on going saga which hasn't been resolved. Not discussing the debt means we are stagnating surely?

I agree with moving on from the rebrand, that's old news and something that has been resolved, I object to people constantly bringing that up but the debt is a different matter. Evidently the country does need more people like me to keep those that want to turn a blind eye to everything in check.

I was under the impression that this forum was set up to discuss any topics that may be of interest to City supporters, and I should think that the current massive debt is a reasonable point to be up for discussion. It won't vanish just because nobody mentions it, and could obviously have a major impact on which direction this club is likely to be heading in.

Don't agree with everything Annis is saying but I don't see how threads like this are having any negative impact on the club? It's a valid point, we are still not debt free which was promised. If we all move on like some posters are suggesting then Tan can do and say what he likes unopposed.

That's some pretty progressive thinking there. Spot on let's stagnate and and not try to move forward.
Wow this country needs more forward thinkers like you. Lmao. Unbelievable.

By discussing this we are moving forward, the debt is an on going saga which hasn't been resolved. Not discussing the debt means we are stagnating surely?

I agree with moving on from the rebrand, that's old news and something that has been resolved, I object to people constantly bringing that up but the debt is a different matter. Evidently the country does need more people like me to keep those that want to turn a blind eye to everything in check.

I was under the impression that this forum was set up to discuss any topics that may be of interest to City supporters, and I should think that the current massive debt is a reasonable point to be up for discussion. It won't vanish just because nobody mentions it, and could obviously have a major impact on which direction this club is likely to be heading in.

Point being he doesn't have any wish to move on want to stay stuck and keep the debt and keep bring it up time and time again. It's there nothing any of us can do other than to support the club move on forgive and forget and maybe said debt might shrink or disappear. But by refusing to have any interest in not moving on like he said will not solve anything.
Just my view point.

He took a gamble and paid too much money for the premier league, which we all wanted.

imagine the uproar if he'd come in 6 years ago and sold everything off! There'd be cries of no ambition, asset stripping, a club on the decline.

We all wanted the premier league and he delivered. 2 years of poor management of finances (promotion year and premier league year plus the close season after relegation) and we are in a lot more debt . But the debt is mainly to tan himself and not hmrc or anyone else that could close us down.

now he/ Dalaman and Choo are trying to fix the mistakes and we the supporters should support that, but yet we still have people crying for overpriced and overplayed players to be bought!

like I have said on previous threads, I don't like Tan, but at the moment we need him. It doesn't matter how rich your owner is, the championship has very strict ffp rules so he can't inject more than a certain ammount into the club per year, at the moment that money is paying our losses per year, the club are trying to resolve this.

Couldn't have said it better myself

You watch all the teams that are spending massive in the championship this season. If they don't go up, they will also be under an embargo next season.

Why has this story been brought up again , its been done to death , we had a good result today ..... lets enjoy it and give us a day off from the doom and gloom ..... its bordering on paranoia

At the matches, I love my football and can't wait for MK Dons game this Saturday, just been to Huddersfield and once again had a great day following my club

As to this being brought up again, its ok when the media,the regime,Tans followers all keep blaming the past for the state of our club today. Well its been 6 years now and its about time the current regime accept the blame for our current state.

I wrote this up before todays game.

Most successful 6 years ever in our history Annis

Wez, in 1927 we WON The FA Cup and a re still being lauded as the ONLY club ever to take it out of England!

Two years earlier we were also in the FA Cup Final and had come close (by 0.01 of a goal) to being Division One (nowadays Premier League) Champions!

We've had a good few years since Sam's takeover and even under Tan (in on-field success terms) but to call the last six years the (quote) "Most successful 6 years ever in our history" is a little wide of the mark!

As the advert (somewhat ironically) goes: "It was good, but it wasn't quite Carling!"

Why has this story been brought up again , its been done to death , we had a good result today ..... lets enjoy it and give us a day off from the doom and gloom ..... its bordering on paranoia

At the matches, I love my football and can't wait for MK Dons game this Saturday, just been to Huddersfield and once again had a great day following my club

As to this being brought up again, its ok when the media,the regime,Tans followers all keep blaming the past for the state of our club today. Well its been 6 years now and its about time the current regime accept the blame for our current state.

I wrote this up before todays game.

Most successful 6 years ever in our history Annis

Wez, in 1927 we WON The FA Cup and a re still being lauded as the ONLY club ever to take it out of England!

Two years earlier we were also in the FA Cup Final and had come close (by 0.01 of a goal) to being Division One (nowadays Premier League) Champions!

We've had a good few years since Sam's takeover and even under Tan (in on-field success terms) but to call the last six years the (quote) "Most successful 6 years ever in our history" is a little wide of the mark!

As the advert (somewhat ironically) goes: "It was good, but it wasn't quite Carling!"

Nowhere near the most successful period in our history. One season in the top flight where we finished bottom, and no trophies of any kind to show. A couple of cup final appearances in competitions that the PL teams have devalued by putting out their second teams. The most successful 6 years in recent times, but certainly not the most successful in the club's history.