" ALL JOKES ASIDE THIS HAS TO BE THE LOWEST EVER "

Disagree with you Neil. Most I have met say they will not return until Tan has gone.

Besides the rebrand was with us for too long that most of those will not come back even if Tan leaves. The damage has been done.

Correct

I was in a party on Saturday night for a City lad who was home from Oz after 4 years. First time weve all been together in one place since the Carling Cup Final most probably.

Of about 40 lads there, most who would have been going since teenagers from the late 80s / early 90s, only 1 of them I spoke to still had a season ticket. They had all broken the habit and now its broken very difficult to get back into it.

The damage is done.

Did they go during the championship winning and Premiership season?

So if you are going down this line Neil do take into account these guys were around when we were in the dungeon division.

Disagree with you Neil. Most I have met say they will not return until Tan has gone.

Besides the rebrand was with us for too long that most of those will not come back even if Tan leaves. The damage has been done.

Correct

I was in a party on Saturday night for a City lad who was home from Oz after 4 years. First time weve all been together in one place since the Carling Cup Final most probably.

Of about 40 lads there, most who would have been going since teenagers from the late 80s / early 90s, only 1 of them I spoke to still had a season ticket. They had all broken the habit and now its broken very difficult to get back into it.

The damage is done.

Did they go during the championship winning and Premiership season?

So if you are going down this line Neil do take into account these guys were around when we were in the dungeon division.

That's fine and it points back to my post about relative success. If they went during the premiership years (in red under Tan) but don't know they aren't going due to success or lack there of. That's not a problem let's just be honest.

Disagree with you Neil. Most I have met say they will not return until Tan has gone.

Besides the rebrand was with us for too long that most of those will not come back even if Tan leaves. The damage has been done.

Correct

I was in a party on Saturday night for a City lad who was home from Oz after 4 years. First time weve all been together in one place since the Carling Cup Final most probably.

Of about 40 lads there, most who would have been going since teenagers from the late 80s / early 90s, only 1 of them I spoke to still had a season ticket. They had all broken the habit and now its broken very difficult to get back into it.

The damage is done.

Did they go during the championship winning and Premiership season?

So if you are going down this line Neil do take into account these guys were around when we were in the dungeon division.

That's fine and it points back to my post about relative success. If they went during the premiership years (in red under Tan) but don't know they aren't going due to success or lack there of. That's not a problem let's just be honest.

If we're promoted they'll be back, that's a dead cert.Make of that what you want

Disagree with you Neil. Most I have met say they will not return until Tan has gone.

Besides the rebrand was with us for too long that most of those will not come back even if Tan leaves. The damage has been done.

Correct

I was in a party on Saturday night for a City lad who was home from Oz after 4 years. First time weve all been together in one place since the Carling Cup Final most probably.

Of about 40 lads there, most who would have been going since teenagers from the late 80s / early 90s, only 1 of them I spoke to still had a season ticket. They had all broken the habit and now its broken very difficult to get back into it.

The damage is done.

Did they go during the championship winning and Premiership season?

So if you are going down this line Neil do take into account these guys were around when we were in the dungeon division.

That's fine and it points back to my post about relative success. If they went during the premiership years (in red under Tan) but don't know they aren't going due to success or lack there of. That's not a problem let's just be honest.

If we're promoted they'll be back, that's a dead cert.Make of that what you want

I would not be so sure.

That's fair enough Bake but the sold out signs would be up.
A lot of fans do return when the teams doing well, but I will agree there's a lot of other issues that surround CC at the moment.

That's fair enough Bake but the sold out signs would be up.
A lot of fans do return when the teams doing well, but I will agree there's a lot of other issues that surround CC at the moment.

It's simples people know more supporters who don't go now then they do who do simples

I think it's relative.

When we went on a run in the old fourth division under Rick Wright we had been in the doldrums for so long that the crowds were massive for us at the same time. Same again when we smashed the title. Huge following home and away. Then we went up crowds were good for a bit then receded as we started to lose more in a higher division. We went back down and even when we were back in the playoffs (when we lost to Northampton) the crowds weren't as big as that first run of success under Rick Wright.

This followed when Frank Burrows took us up. The crowds were higher but still not 17k like Rick Wright run Cardiff had. We then went back up and down again and the crowds never reached the peak they had done.

Finally returning to the dungeon apart from a few cup matches the crowds were quite low. People were used to relative success so anything less didn't pull them in.

Finally Sam took us over. Crowds increased steadily as money was spent and progress was made. We went up and made a decent fist of it. However we lost to Stoke in the play offs and the following season didn't start greatly so again the crowds went down. That season we went up via the playoffs to huge amounts of Cardiff fans at the Mill Stad. The following season, our first for ages in the second tier again saw big crowds. Expensive signings saw interest increase massively. But, as success didn't come straight away interest again diminished until Black Friday and crowds lower even than we had in the dungeon.

Racing to the top of the league under Dave Jones playing great football saw Ninian park sold out regularly. But, as the season limped to its conclusion tickets were far easier to come by. A relative quiet period of consolidation in the championship would have meant average crowds had it not been for the FA Cup Final raising our profile and enabling us to sell loads of season tickets. More trips to Wembley enabled artificially high numbers of season tickets sold in our new stadium until Tan and Malky took the now Red kitted Cardiff City to the championship title and big crowds in the CCS. This continued in the premiership where huge clubs visiting meant season tickets were sold out and sell outs every week.

The bubble was bound to burst and without a cup final or premiership football to sell season tickets for we reverted to type and the sellouts finished.

As shown in the past success is relative. Years back 7th in the championship would have meant big crowds but we have been higher so it's now a bit boring. It's not just us it's the same at most clubs. Can't get a ticket for love nor money to Leicester but last time they were in the Premiership under O Neill they hardly ever sold out.

It's the way of the world. Success will bring the fans back it will just take longer to catch on.

Spot on

I think it's relative.

When we went on a run in the old fourth division under Rick Wright we had been in the doldrums for so long that the crowds were massive for us at the same time. Same again when we smashed the title. Huge following home and away. Then we went up crowds were good for a bit then receded as we started to lose more in a higher division. We went back down and even when we were back in the playoffs (when we lost to Northampton) the crowds weren't as big as that first run of success under Rick Wright.

This followed when Frank Burrows took us up. The crowds were higher but still not 17k like Rick Wright run Cardiff had. We then went back up and down again and the crowds never reached the peak they had done.

Finally returning to the dungeon apart from a few cup matches the crowds were quite low. People were used to relative success so anything less didn't pull them in.

Finally Sam took us over. Crowds increased steadily as money was spent and progress was made. We went up and made a decent fist of it. However we lost to Stoke in the play offs and the following season didn't start greatly so again the crowds went down. That season we went up via the playoffs to huge amounts of Cardiff fans at the Mill Stad. The following season, our first for ages in the second tier again saw big crowds. Expensive signings saw interest increase massively. But, as success didn't come straight away interest again diminished until Black Friday and crowds lower even than we had in the dungeon.

Racing to the top of the league under Dave Jones playing great football saw Ninian park sold out regularly. But, as the season limped to its conclusion tickets were far easier to come by. A relative quiet period of consolidation in the championship would have meant average crowds had it not been for the FA Cup Final raising our profile and enabling us to sell loads of season tickets. More trips to Wembley enabled artificially high numbers of season tickets sold in our new stadium until Tan and Malky took the now Red kitted Cardiff City to the championship title and big crowds in the CCS. This continued in the premiership where huge clubs visiting meant season tickets were sold out and sell outs every week.

The bubble was bound to burst and without a cup final or premiership football to sell season tickets for we reverted to type and the sellouts finished.

As shown in the past success is relative. Years back 7th in the championship would have meant big crowds but we have been higher so it's now a bit boring. It's not just us it's the same at most clubs. Can't get a ticket for love nor money to Leicester but last time they were in the Premiership under O Neill they hardly ever sold out.

It's the way of the world. Success will bring the fans back it will just take longer to catch on.

Spot on

Cheers.

He has to go. We were lucky at Bolton and yesterday against Brentford because they could easily have been draws. He isn't good enough and something needs to change.

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Mason it really was that bad

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Stop blaming the manager for gods sake, we sold out with Milkyball and that was in red too. Success will bring back fans but it's never been this low before and we've been in worse positions.

I think the matchday atmosphere is pretty awful, it's made me think many times of not renewing my ticket. It's hardly a good day out any more.

Stop blaming the manager for gods sake, we sold out with Milkyball and that was in red too. Success will bring back fans but it's never been this low before and we've been in worse positions.

I think the matchday atmosphere is pretty awful, it's made me think many times of not renewing my ticket. It's hardly a good day out any more.

Well said

I just bought my forest tickets

Loyal fans are city fans no matter what! I don't care for excuses about rebound, Tan, all I care about is screaming for 90 mins on a Saturday /Tuesday for.my team. "It's just the same" they moan, seriously who gives a flying shit. Life goes on, but i am a city fan thru thick and thin! IF WE GET TO PLAYOFFS WILL WE ALL STOPOANING ABOUT TAN, THE PAST, THE REBRAND, THE COLD CHIPS, DAI HUNT, WAYNE NASH??? yes the atmosphere is shit, but two men can make a racket, and I do, EVERY GAME!! Forget Tupac "Westhide til I die, I say..
"BLUEBIRD TIL I DIE"!!

Type "just NOT the same" they moan.