" UPDATED " ' THE JACKS CRISIS ' THURS 10/12/2015

To say Martinez is a lucky appointment is saying that every managerial appointment that works out is lucky. Martinez played for the Jacks for a number of years, he was known to Jenkins. He was hardly appointing someone he had only interviewed a handful of times . I imagine Martinez will have had many conversations with the chairman over his desires to manage the club. He's gone to have quite a successful career, kept a shite Wigan team up for a few seasons more than they should have and one the cup, now his Everton team are one of the best teams to watch in the league.

Some of you are so bitter, we should be trying to emulate Swansea with our managerial appointments, we wouldn't have been lumbered with Slade if we had.

How the f**k was Mattinez lucky?

He took them from league two to the championship and it's his blueprint that Huw has continued with.

I hate the Jacks but what they have done and the way they've done it is envious.

Did you read past the first 6 words ?
Martinez was a lucky appointment as he was a massive gamble.
One that came off handsomely and has benefitted them ever since.

A lot of his players are now coming to the end of their careers or not what they were, or have left- the ones that are left, Britton, Rangel, Williams aren't what they were or in some cases are peripheral or not wanted , like Dyer and so his influence is reducing.

You then made out he was lucky he was given the job just because he had no experience.

They were mid table in league one (my bad earlier it was Jackett who took them up to L1) then they parted company with Jackett it was hardly a massive gamble

I don't see how it's classed as lucky when they done their research, went after Martinez, liked what Martinez had to say, and he was their preferred candidate. Does that mean any successful side are "lucky" because they've recruited well??!?

Like it or not Huw Jenkins is one of the best chairmen in the game. It's not down to 'luck" the success they've enjoyed this last decade.

You are lucky Roathy isn't on here he'd have a field day with you.

No, no. I did not make out Martinez was lucky to get the job. That was just how you interpreted it .
Wilts worked it out.

How do you know 'they did their research' etc..
Martinez would have put a very good presentation out and they took them on from that.
They got lucky with him, loads of other clubs have gambled on unknowns and it's gone tits up.

I've employed loads of people over the years - and I mean hundreds and there's no magic formula. You do your research etc... , but 2/3 of it is luck in the long run.

The biggest myth is 'he always gets it right,' when 3 of the last 5 have left after less than 2 seasons.

As for Roathy, he's a tw*t who will just go on and on with his bollox.

Doesn't get anywhere with me as I can see right through the bullshit and have never fallen for the crap that gets propagated by the half witted press and Sky TV football fans, who are too lazy to do their own research or think for themselves.

To say Martinez is a lucky appointment is saying that every managerial appointment that works out is lucky. Martinez played for the Jacks for a number of years, he was known to Jenkins. He was hardly appointing someone he had only interviewed a handful of times . I imagine Martinez will have had many conversations with the chairman over his desires to manage the club. He's gone to have quite a successful career, kept a shite Wigan team up for a few seasons more than they should have and one the cup, now his Everton team are one of the best teams to watch in the league.

Some of you are so bitter, we should be trying to emulate Swansea with our managerial appointments, we wouldn't have been lumbered with Slade if we had.

See above.

I'm not bitter at all.
I can just see through the bullshit.

Slades got us 6th.
If he was their manager and talked with a foreign accent you'd be saying how lucky they were to have him.

To say Martinez is a lucky appointment is saying that every managerial appointment that works out is lucky. Martinez played for the Jacks for a number of years, he was known to Jenkins. He was hardly appointing someone he had only interviewed a handful of times . I imagine Martinez will have had many conversations with the chairman over his desires to manage the club. He's gone to have quite a successful career, kept a shite Wigan team up for a few seasons more than they should have and one the cup, now his Everton team are one of the best teams to watch in the league.

Some of you are so bitter, we should be trying to emulate Swansea with our managerial appointments, we wouldn't have been lumbered with Slade if we had.

See above.

I'm not bitter at all.
I can just see through the bullshit.

Slades got us 6th.
If he was their manager and talked with a foreign accent you'd be saying how lucky they were to have him.

Not even going to bother go into the differences between Slade and Martinez.

To say Martinez is a lucky appointment is saying that every managerial appointment that works out is lucky. Martinez played for the Jacks for a number of years, he was known to Jenkins. He was hardly appointing someone he had only interviewed a handful of times . I imagine Martinez will have had many conversations with the chairman over his desires to manage the club. He's gone to have quite a successful career, kept a shite Wigan team up for a few seasons more than they should have and one the cup, now his Everton team are one of the best teams to watch in the league.

Some of you are so bitter, we should be trying to emulate Swansea with our managerial appointments, we wouldn't have been lumbered with Slade if we had.

See above.

I'm not bitter at all.
I can just see through the bullshit.

Slades got us 6th.
If he was their manager and talked with a foreign accent you'd be saying how lucky they were to have him.

Not even going to bother go into the differences between Slade and Martinez.

Big difference is you are happy to give Martinez credit- which is fine as he's done superbly.

But not prepared to give it to Slade, who has improved our position by 10-11 places whilst cutting 1/3 off the wage bill as it would mean you have to climb down from your position of slagging him off from day 1.

To say Martinez is a lucky appointment is saying that every managerial appointment that works out is lucky. Martinez played for the Jacks for a number of years, he was known to Jenkins. He was hardly appointing someone he had only interviewed a handful of times . I imagine Martinez will have had many conversations with the chairman over his desires to manage the club. He's gone to have quite a successful career, kept a shite Wigan team up for a few seasons more than they should have and one the cup, now his Everton team are one of the best teams to watch in the league.

Some of you are so bitter, we should be trying to emulate Swansea with our managerial appointments, we wouldn't have been lumbered with Slade if we had.

See above.

I'm not bitter at all.
I can just see through the bullshit.

Slades got us 6th.
If he was their manager and talked with a foreign accent you'd be saying how lucky they were to have him.

Not even going to bother go into the differences between Slade and Martinez.

Big difference is you are happy to give Martinez credit- which is fine as he's done superbly.

But not prepared to give it to Slade, who has improved our position by 10-11 places whilst cutting 1/3 off the wage bill as it would mean you have to climb down from your position of slagging him off from day 1.

Look at my former posts and you will see I have praised Slade and that I don't think he deserves to be sacked. I don't think it was a good long term appointment and still believe he's a budget manager. He's improved us, fair play to the guy he's exceeded my expectations but I do not see him as a long term manager and I honestly don't see us ending up in sixth place which of course is what it all hinges on.

To compare Slades achievements to Martinez's is ludicrous.

How the f**k was Mattinez lucky?

He took them from league two to the championship and it's his blueprint that Huw has continued with.

I hate the Jacks but what they have done and the way they've done it is envious.

Did you read past the first 6 words ?
Martinez was a lucky appointment as he was a massive gamble.
One that came off handsomely and has benefitted them ever since.

A lot of his players are now coming to the end of their careers or not what they were, or have left- the ones that are left, Britton, Rangel, Williams aren't what they were or in some cases are peripheral or not wanted , like Dyer and so his influence is reducing.

You then made out he was lucky he was given the job just because he had no experience.

They were mid table in league one (my bad earlier it was Jackett who took them up to L1) then they parted company with Jackett it was hardly a massive gamble

I don't see how it's classed as lucky when they done their research, went after Martinez, liked what Martinez had to say, and he was their preferred candidate. Does that mean any successful side are "lucky" because they've recruited well??!?

Like it or not Huw Jenkins is one of the best chairmen in the game. It's not down to 'luck" the success they've enjoyed this last decade.

You are lucky Roathy isn't on here he'd have a field day with you.

No, no. I did not make out Martinez was lucky to get the job. That was just how you interpreted it .
Wilts worked it out.

How do you know 'they did their research' etc..
Martinez would have put a very good presentation out and they took them on from that.
They got lucky with him, loads of other clubs have gambled on unknowns and it's gone tits up.

I've employed loads of people over the years - and I mean hundreds and there's no magic formula. You do your research etc... , but 2/3 of it is luck in the long run.

The biggest myth is 'he always gets it right,' when 3 of the last 5 have left after less than 2 seasons.

As for Roathy, he's a tw*t who will just go on and on with his bollox.

Doesn't get anywhere with me as I can see right through the bullshit and have never fallen for the crap that gets propagated by the half witted press and Sky TV football fans, who are too lazy to do their own research or think for themselves.

I know he done his research because I've watched the programme on their rise and he spoke in length about the decision to appoint him.

The reasons for his appointment can also be found here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 389531.stm

The only one he got wrong was Sousa and he acted quickly. Martinez huge success and poached by a PL club. Rodgers was a big success then got poached by a massive club. Laudrup won them a major trophy but has a history of bailing when the going gets tough and Jenkins wouldn't be bullied by the big name. Monk gave them continuity, kept them up and then finished the highest they've finished in their history. Hasn't worked out this season and Jenkins has acted accordingly. He's got the hiring and firing pretty much spot on id say.

He's on record as saying the manager must fit Swanseas philosophy not the other way around and he's one of the best negotiators in the game. He's never bullied by other clubs or players or managers for that matter as proven with Laudrup. He always gets top dollar for Swansea City and does things on his terms.

Give me Jenkins over the Clowns in charge of our circus any day. If Jenkins is lucky then Tan must have smashed a thousand mirrors.

To say Martinez is a lucky appointment is saying that every managerial appointment that works out is lucky. Martinez played for the Jacks for a number of years, he was known to Jenkins. He was hardly appointing someone he had only interviewed a handful of times . I imagine Martinez will have had many conversations with the chairman over his desires to manage the club. He's gone to have quite a successful career, kept a shite Wigan team up for a few seasons more than they should have and one the cup, now his Everton team are one of the best teams to watch in the league.

Some of you are so bitter, we should be trying to emulate Swansea with our managerial appointments, we wouldn't have been lumbered with Slade if we had.

See above.

I'm not bitter at all.
I can just see through the bullshit.

Slades got us 6th.
If he was their manager and talked with a foreign accent you'd be saying how lucky they were to have him.

Slade hasn't delivered 6th at all the league finishes on 46 games not 19

Before Slades arrival we were regular in the autos / play offs in this division he's improved our position on where we are after 11 games last season. Whoopee f*cking doo.

Even chopping the wagebill it's still one of the highest in the division.

Sixth place in December means f**k all if we finish 7th place in May, the difference between one place in the table is huge. If we were 7th place now and people were saying we should sack him because we aren't in the play offs I would say the same to them.

Slade has delivered nothing so far. We are miles of the autos and there's no hope of finishing higher than 6th place.

You 2 are like twins.
Same old same old.

I'd take 7 th now.
No problem.

No-one knows where we will finish come May, but right now WE ARE 6TH , so right now he's well above where we expected to be which was around mid table.

I hope to God you 2 don't employ people.
You'd be recruiting every bloody week.

You 2 are like twins.
Same old same old.

I'd take 7 th now.
No problem.

No-one knows where we will finish come May, but right now WE ARE 6TH , so right now he's well above where we expected to be which was around mid table.

I hope to God you 2 don't employ people.
You'd be recruiting every bloody week.

You'd take 7th now even though we are 6th, what does 7th get you in this league. I think that comment says it all to be honest.

I hope to god I don't ever have to work for you, my good work would be seen as lucky and not down to hard work.

How the f**k was Mattinez lucky?

He took them from league two to the championship and it's his blueprint that Huw has continued with.

I hate the Jacks but what they have done and the way they've done it is envious.

Spot on. Every single word is spot on.

Martinez was the genius that got Swansea playing and Sousa and Rodgers later just put their stamp on it, tweaked it and so forth, but Martinez laid all of the foundations.

They'll go for Puyet or maybe Di Matteo - both of these would fit into the they do things down there.

Sad to say - but they have a great track record in managers , the way they play and also a board of Directors that know what to do.

Whereas as we are the total fecking opposite - Tan, Choo, Dalman and Slade will hardly have any other club being jealous of that

my personal opinion is that they didnt get lucky with Monk as manager, more that hes riding the path of sucess already laid out

Everyone there since Martinez has been working with the foundations he outlaid. Swansea's style was something Martinez brought to them and every manager from Sousa to Rodgers to Laudrup to Monk has simply built on top of it. Rodgers was the only one to really do it successfully to the point whereby it took them to the next level. Martinez does not get enough credit from the wider football world for what he did for that club.

How the f**k was Mattinez lucky?

He took them from league two to the championship and it's his blueprint that Huw has continued with.

I hate the Jacks but what they have done and the way they've done it is envious.

Did you read past the first 6 words ?
Martinez was a lucky appointment as he was a massive gamble.
One that came off handsomely and has benefitted them ever since.

A lot of his players are now coming to the end of their careers or not what they were, or have left- the ones that are left, Britton, Rangel, Williams aren't what they were or in some cases are peripheral or not wanted , like Dyer and so his influence is reducing.

You then made out he was lucky he was given the job just because he had no experience.

They were mid table in league one (my bad earlier it was Jackett who took them up to L1) then they parted company with Jackett it was hardly a massive gamble

I don't see how it's classed as lucky when they done their research, went after Martinez, liked what Martinez had to say, and he was their preferred candidate. Does that mean any successful side are "lucky" because they've recruited well??!?

Like it or not Huw Jenkins is one of the best chairmen in the game. It's not down to 'luck" the success they've enjoyed this last decade.

You are lucky Roathy isn't on here he'd have a field day with you.

No, no. I did not make out Martinez was lucky to get the job. That was just how you interpreted it .
Wilts worked it out.

How do you know 'they did their research' etc..
Martinez would have put a very good presentation out and they took them on from that.
They got lucky with him, loads of other clubs have gambled on unknowns and it's gone tits up.

I've employed loads of people over the years - and I mean hundreds and there's no magic formula. You do your research etc... , but 2/3 of it is luck in the long run.

The biggest myth is 'he always gets it right,' when 3 of the last 5 have left after less than 2 seasons.

As for Roathy, he's a tw*t who will just go on and on with his bollox.

Doesn't get anywhere with me as I can see right through the bullshit and have never fallen for the crap that gets propagated by the half witted press and Sky TV football fans, who are too lazy to do their own research or think for themselves.

I know he done his research because I've watched the programme on their rise and he spoke in length about the decision to appoint him.

The reasons for his appointment can also be found here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 389531.stm

The only one he got wrong was Sousa and he acted quickly. Martinez huge success and poached by a PL club. Rodgers was a big success then got poached by a massive club. Laudrup won them a major trophy but has a history of bailing when the going gets tough and Jenkins wouldn't be bullied by the big name. Monk gave them continuity, kept them up and then finished the highest they've finished in their history. Hasn't worked out this season and Jenkins has acted accordingly. He's got the hiring and firing pretty much spot on id say.

He's on record as saying the manager must fit Swanseas philosophy not the other way around and he's one of the best negotiators in the game. He's never bullied by other clubs or players or managers for that matter as proven with Laudrup. He always gets top dollar for Swansea City and does things on his terms.

Give me Jenkins over the Clowns in charge of our circus any day. If Jenkins is lucky then Tan must have smashed a thousand mirrors.

So you'd also be saying

Lenny was a success as he took us up
Jones was a success because he got us in the play offs and Wembley
Malky was a success as he won the title
.... So 3 out of 4, not a bad record.
Not to forget they all got sacked, just like 3 of the 5 Jacks managers.

You watched the film, thus got taken in by the bullshit all put together AFTER the event.

Taking on an unknown inexperienced person as a manager IS a gamble - in football or in any other profession. If you don't want to accept that then no problem, but there are dozens of examples all around of it not working out and others when it has, which just shows you can never be sure- therefore it's a gamble.
Gambles rely on a certain amount of luck.

Martinez was a very lucky choice

You make swansealad69 look like the personification of intellectualism.

How the f**k was Mattinez lucky?

He took them from league two to the championship and it's his blueprint that Huw has continued with.

I hate the Jacks but what they have done and the way they've done it is envious.

Did you read past the first 6 words ?
Martinez was a lucky appointment as he was a massive gamble.
One that came off handsomely and has benefitted them ever since.

A lot of his players are now coming to the end of their careers or not what they were, or have left- the ones that are left, Britton, Rangel, Williams aren't what they were or in some cases are peripheral or not wanted , like Dyer and so his influence is reducing.

You then made out he was lucky he was given the job just because he had no experience.

They were mid table in league one (my bad earlier it was Jackett who took them up to L1) then they parted company with Jackett it was hardly a massive gamble

I don't see how it's classed as lucky when they done their research, went after Martinez, liked what Martinez had to say, and he was their preferred candidate. Does that mean any successful side are "lucky" because they've recruited well??!?

Like it or not Huw Jenkins is one of the best chairmen in the game. It's not down to 'luck" the success they've enjoyed this last decade.

You are lucky Roathy isn't on here he'd have a field day with you.

No, no. I did not make out Martinez was lucky to get the job. That was just how you interpreted it .
Wilts worked it out.

How do you know 'they did their research' etc..
Martinez would have put a very good presentation out and they took them on from that.
They got lucky with him, loads of other clubs have gambled on unknowns and it's gone tits up.

I've employed loads of people over the years - and I mean hundreds and there's no magic formula. You do your research etc... , but 2/3 of it is luck in the long run.

The biggest myth is 'he always gets it right,' when 3 of the last 5 have left after less than 2 seasons.

As for Roathy, he's a tw*t who will just go on and on with his bollox.

Doesn't get anywhere with me as I can see right through the bullshit and have never fallen for the crap that gets propagated by the half witted press and Sky TV football fans, who are too lazy to do their own research or think for themselves.

I know he done his research because I've watched the programme on their rise and he spoke in length about the decision to appoint him.

The reasons for his appointment can also be found here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 389531.stm

The only one he got wrong was Sousa and he acted quickly. Martinez huge success and poached by a PL club. Rodgers was a big success then got poached by a massive club. Laudrup won them a major trophy but has a history of bailing when the going gets tough and Jenkins wouldn't be bullied by the big name. Monk gave them continuity, kept them up and then finished the highest they've finished in their history. Hasn't worked out this season and Jenkins has acted accordingly. He's got the hiring and firing pretty much spot on id say.

He's on record as saying the manager must fit Swanseas philosophy not the other way around and he's one of the best negotiators in the game. He's never bullied by other clubs or players or managers for that matter as proven with Laudrup. He always gets top dollar for Swansea City and does things on his terms.

Give me Jenkins over the Clowns in charge of our circus any day. If Jenkins is lucky then Tan must have smashed a thousand mirrors.

So you'd also be saying

Lenny was a success as he took us up
Jones was a success because he got us in the play offs and Wembley
Malky was a success as he won the title
.... So 3 out of 4, not a bad record.
Not to forget they all got sacked, just like 3 of the 5 Jacks managers.

You watched the film, thus got taken in by the bullshit all put together AFTER the event.

Taking on an unknown inexperienced person as a manager IS a gamble - in football or in any other profession. If you don't want to accept that then no problem, but there are dozens of examples all around of it not working out and others when it has, which just shows you can never be sure- therefore it's a gamble.
Gambles rely on a certain amount of luck.

The only one taking in the bullshit is you. You lap up every bit of nonsense Slade comes out with ffs.

I've just given you a link to Jenkins words at the time so it wasn't put together after the event.


You're being silly comparing what Cardiff managers have achieved compared to Swanseas continued upward curve for the last 9 years. That's so silly it's not even worth a debate.

All I'll says is look at what they've achieved with the profits they've made and what we've achieved getting 150m into debt.

How the f**k was Mattinez lucky?

He took them from league two to the championship and it's his blueprint that Huw has continued with.

I hate the Jacks but what they have done and the way they've done it is envious.

Did you read past the first 6 words ?
Martinez was a lucky appointment as he was a massive gamble.
One that came off handsomely and has benefitted them ever since.

A lot of his players are now coming to the end of their careers or not what they were, or have left- the ones that are left, Britton, Rangel, Williams aren't what they were or in some cases are peripheral or not wanted , like Dyer and so his influence is reducing.

You then made out he was lucky he was given the job just because he had no experience.

They were mid table in league one (my bad earlier it was Jackett who took them up to L1) then they parted company with Jackett it was hardly a massive gamble

I don't see how it's classed as lucky when they done their research, went after Martinez, liked what Martinez had to say, and he was their preferred candidate. Does that mean any successful side are "lucky" because they've recruited well??!?

Like it or not Huw Jenkins is one of the best chairmen in the game. It's not down to 'luck" the success they've enjoyed this last decade.

You are lucky Roathy isn't on here he'd have a field day with you.

No, no. I did not make out Martinez was lucky to get the job. That was just how you interpreted it .
Wilts worked it out.

How do you know 'they did their research' etc..
Martinez would have put a very good presentation out and they took them on from that.
They got lucky with him, loads of other clubs have gambled on unknowns and it's gone tits up.

I've employed loads of people over the years - and I mean hundreds and there's no magic formula. You do your research etc... , but 2/3 of it is luck in the long run.

The biggest myth is 'he always gets it right,' when 3 of the last 5 have left after less than 2 seasons.

As for Roathy, he's a tw*t who will just go on and on with his bollox.

Doesn't get anywhere with me as I can see right through the bullshit and have never fallen for the crap that gets propagated by the half witted press and Sky TV football fans, who are too lazy to do their own research or think for themselves.

I know he done his research because I've watched the programme on their rise and he spoke in length about the decision to appoint him.

The reasons for his appointment can also be found here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 389531.stm

The only one he got wrong was Sousa and he acted quickly. Martinez huge success and poached by a PL club. Rodgers was a big success then got poached by a massive club. Laudrup won them a major trophy but has a history of bailing when the going gets tough and Jenkins wouldn't be bullied by the big name. Monk gave them continuity, kept them up and then finished the highest they've finished in their history. Hasn't worked out this season and Jenkins has acted accordingly. He's got the hiring and firing pretty much spot on id say.

He's on record as saying the manager must fit Swanseas philosophy not the other way around and he's one of the best negotiators in the game. He's never bullied by other clubs or players or managers for that matter as proven with Laudrup. He always gets top dollar for Swansea City and does things on his terms.

Give me Jenkins over the Clowns in charge of our circus any day. If Jenkins is lucky then Tan must have smashed a thousand mirrors.

Sousa sorted their defence out which was probably Martinezs sides weakness. Sous as work laid foundations for Brenda's promotion team.

How the f**k was Mattinez lucky?

He took them from league two to the championship and it's his blueprint that Huw has continued with.

I hate the Jacks but what they have done and the way they've done it is envious.

Did you read past the first 6 words ?
Martinez was a lucky appointment as he was a massive gamble.
One that came off handsomely and has benefitted them ever since.

A lot of his players are now coming to the end of their careers or not what they were, or have left- the ones that are left, Britton, Rangel, Williams aren't what they were or in some cases are peripheral or not wanted , like Dyer and so his influence is reducing.

You then made out he was lucky he was given the job just because he had no experience.

They were mid table in league one (my bad earlier it was Jackett who took them up to L1) then they parted company with Jackett it was hardly a massive gamble

I don't see how it's classed as lucky when they done their research, went after Martinez, liked what Martinez had to say, and he was their preferred candidate. Does that mean any successful side are "lucky" because they've recruited well??!?

Like it or not Huw Jenkins is one of the best chairmen in the game. It's not down to 'luck" the success they've enjoyed this last decade.

You are lucky Roathy isn't on here he'd have a field day with you.

No, no. I did not make out Martinez was lucky to get the job. That was just how you interpreted it .
Wilts worked it out.

How do you know 'they did their research' etc..
Martinez would have put a very good presentation out and they took them on from that.
They got lucky with him, loads of other clubs have gambled on unknowns and it's gone tits up.

I've employed loads of people over the years - and I mean hundreds and there's no magic formula. You do your research etc... , but 2/3 of it is luck in the long run.

The biggest myth is 'he always gets it right,' when 3 of the last 5 have left after less than 2 seasons.

As for Roathy, he's a tw*t who will just go on and on with his bollox.

Doesn't get anywhere with me as I can see right through the bullshit and have never fallen for the crap that gets propagated by the half witted press and Sky TV football fans, who are too lazy to do their own research or think for themselves.

I know he done his research because I've watched the programme on their rise and he spoke in length about the decision to appoint him.

The reasons for his appointment can also be found here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 389531.stm

The only one he got wrong was Sousa and he acted quickly. Martinez huge success and poached by a PL club. Rodgers was a big success then got poached by a massive club. Laudrup won them a major trophy but has a history of bailing when the going gets tough and Jenkins wouldn't be bullied by the big name. Monk gave them continuity, kept them up and then finished the highest they've finished in their history. Hasn't worked out this season and Jenkins has acted accordingly. He's got the hiring and firing pretty much spot on id say.

He's on record as saying the manager must fit Swanseas philosophy not the other way around and he's one of the best negotiators in the game. He's never bullied by other clubs or players or managers for that matter as proven with Laudrup. He always gets top dollar for Swansea City and does things on his terms.

Give me Jenkins over the Clowns in charge of our circus any day. If Jenkins is lucky then Tan must have smashed a thousand mirrors.

Sousa sorted their defence out which was probably Martinezs sides weakness. Sous as work laid foundations for Brenda's promotion team.

Depends on how you look at it. Yes Sousa conceded the least goals of the three but at the expense of the attack by some distance.

Its all about philosophy and Brendas was more similair to Martinez and that was to be more attacking and outscore the opposition.

Id say he benefited more from the foundations Martinez had put in place than Sousa. He was choosen because Jenkins wanted to go back to the Martinez philosophy rather than Sousa.

Ash Williams was signed by Martinez and hes been their best defender by some distance.

We moan when skiprats come on here and you can't stop talking about them what true bluebird actually gives a toss what happens to them try focusing on supporting the bluebirds

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We moan when skiprats come on here and you can't stop talking about them what true bluebird actually gives a toss what happens to them try focusing on supporting the bluebirds

It's nice when for once that they are having a torrid time on and of the pitch when everything they seemed to touch in recent years turned to gold.

Things go in cycles..........not long ago they were run by Petty and Lewis and then turned it round after going into administration. But small clubs never really last long at the top table, as they look like they may well find out this season.

So we can gloat a bit but yes you are right, the most important result tomorrow is at CCS, and hopefully can carry on the improved attacking form and keep the back door shut.