" UPDATED RE: POPPY SACKING "

Seems a little more to this than that

However you cannot be sacked for refusing to remove an apron

9/10 businesses would suspend you for your conduct pending investigation and the possible dismissal

Chances of being sacked on the spot for this are slim to none

If he has been dismissed for just refusing to take it off then they have probably breached their own disciplinary policies

However if he was asked to remove it and he refused then he has technically failed to comply with management instruction which in most cases is gross misconduct and as most know that is a sackable offence, in most cases he would be suspended pending investigation and a subsequent disciplinary hearing would probably see him face either a verbal or written warning and warned about future conduct

This probably has nothing to do with the poppies on the apron more to do with the fact he was asked to remove an apron which is not part of the companies uniform and therefore was not to be worn, if that's the case then disciplinary action could well be taken

If they have sacked on the spot for it then like I said they have probably broken their own disciplinary procedures

Be interesting to see their response

Legally I would guess the company is right as it was not standard uniform. What they have done is petty to the extreme and hopefully going in the paper this place is blacklisted by the general public.

Interesting case and will be interesting to hear their response

All depends on the exact circumstances really

But like you say he is not on public view and it would be very petty to have sacked on the spot for this if what he has said is 100% accurate

However I have seen it in my workplace whereby staff have been sacked for not sticking to uniform policy whilst I don't 100% agree with it as a manager myself I have to also personally enforce uniform standards, however we have strict policies to follow around disciplinary procedures and you would get a few chances to comply before getting sacked eventually

One thing this restaurant would not want is this sort of publicity as it could effect this business. So they may say it was a misunderstanding and they support this charity with collection boxes and offer a special offer for veterans and servicemen to show they support this wonderful cause, but the poor lad will remain sacked. I can understand when Macdanalds stopped someone in there kitchen from wearing a poppy as its law you can't wear something that can fall into someone's Mcburger

Yeah the publicity will not be good for them either way

There are three sides to every story your side their side and the truth

They seem to be denaying it. I hope you've got a good lawyer in hand: https://mobile.twitter.com/Baysidebrass ... 0426377216

What if he's still on his probationary period ? Bit fast to jump on that bandwagon

To be honest if it was me id have had you arrested by the fashion police - I mean look at it ffs

You want the facts,here is the facts,I bought thay apron to to honour those lost in past conflicts,it wasn't ti glorify anything or provoke anything,it was to show my respect for friends who we have lost in conflict,for my grandfather who masterminded an escape from nazi concentration camp and my uncle who lost his friends and nearly lost his life several times,and for rhe other brothers and sisters lost in arms,the guys that gave there lives me people like me and your when they had no right to,what happened yesterday disrespected everything these brave people gave their lives for,I stand by what I belive weather right or wrong,if these small amount of people don't like us remembeing all the millions or soldiers and millions more civilians who paid rhe ultimate sacrafice,then theb that's nnot our issue, we are proud of out troops and should never forget what happened,I was told I wjll not wear that apron,why I asked? Don't break any health and safety laws?their response was simple,it may provoke an attack and it may offer rhe owner,if any 1 is going to get targeted it's thoses in the streets,not in a kitchen

If that's right what you say, they were worried it might offend the owner then what business was it of his in the first place? Apart from this issue there's too much of businesses being allowed to discipline staff for petty individual gripes. Another example of our country going down the toilet! Tough, its got nothing to do with him whether he likes it or not. As long as it doesn't break any laws he should like it or lump it.

On the other hand I dislike how this issue has become politicised and the culprits are the Tories largely for electoral gain. I do not agree with much of our government's foreign policy and there is virtually nothing of America's which I would support. I am a Republican and detest the monarchy with a vengeance, however I wear my poppy with pride because as a silent gesture it makes me feel good inside to be honouring the fallen in all conflicts and from all nations who have bravely fought against evil, greed, tyranny, zealotry and injustice. I also honour the innocent civilians who have died probably even more than the combatants. How anyone can be denied showing this quiet solidarity with the poor unfortunates who have lost their lives is beyond me.

They seem to be denaying it. I hope you've got a good lawyer in hand: https://mobile.twitter.com/Baysidebrass ... 0426377216

What if he's still on his probationary period ? Bit fast to jump on that bandwagon

I'm not jumping on any bandwagon, I asked if he got a good lawyer as if his story isn't 100% my then te restaurant would sue the ass off him so he would need a good lawyer then wouldn't he ?

I would sack tell off one of my chefs for wearing that monstrosity. I would be fine with them wearing poppy pin badges though and i would offer discounts to all veterans young and old.

This is the way the country is going, sad to say.

so is this all a load of nonsense? the guy seems to have disappeared.

Has heart even took the story up? As there's nothing on their Twitter feed yet

Has heart even took the story up? As there's nothing on their Twitter feed yet

I imagine unlike the lynch mob on here they are waiting to hear the other side of the story. You can tell the thickos on here anything and they will believe what they read straight away.

The restaurant tweeted saying they are releasing a statement today.

Has heart even took the story up? As there's nothing on their Twitter feed yet

I imagine unlike the lynch mob on here they are waiting to hear the other side of the story. You can tell the thickos on here anything and they will believe what they read straight away.

The restaurant tweeted saying they are releasing a statement today.

I've asked him twice had he got his version of events in writing without any response so that says alot

Very dangerous story, everyone would naturally take his side due to it being poppy related, but we are not getting the full picture, the guy may have refused to compromise for all we know.

They seem to be denaying it. I hope you've got a good lawyer in hand: https://mobile.twitter.com/Baysidebrass ... 0426377216

What if he's still on his probationary period ? Bit fast to jump on that bandwagon

I'm not jumping on any bandwagon, I asked if he got a good lawyer as if his story isn't 100% my then te restaurant would sue the ass off him so he would need a good lawyer then wouldn't he ?

I very much doubt the restaurant would sue him - I wouldn't, whats the point when you wouldn't get a penny seeing as he's unemployed now...

They seem to be denaying it. I hope you've got a good lawyer in hand: https://mobile.twitter.com/Baysidebrass ... 0426377216

What if he's still on his probationary period ? Bit fast to jump on that bandwagon

I'm not jumping on any bandwagon, I asked if he got a good lawyer as if his story isn't 100% my then te restaurant would sue the ass off him so he would need a good lawyer then wouldn't he ?

I very much doubt the restaurant would sue him - I wouldn't, whats the point when you wouldn't get a penny seeing as he's unemployed now...

I'm not second guessing anyone but if someone slandered by business the way this guy has tried too then I would be kicking my solicitors door down. Lol. Sometimes it's not about money it's about clearing the good name of the business which people have worked hard to establish

They seem to be denaying it. I hope you've got a good lawyer in hand: https://mobile.twitter.com/Baysidebrass ... 0426377216

What if he's still on his probationary period ? Bit fast to jump on that bandwagon

I'm not jumping on any bandwagon, I asked if he got a good lawyer as if his story isn't 100% my then te restaurant would sue the ass off him so he would need a good lawyer then wouldn't he ?

I very much doubt the restaurant would sue him - I wouldn't, whats the point when you wouldn't get a penny seeing as he's unemployed now...

I'm not second guessing anyone but if someone slandered by business the way this guy has tried too then I would be kicking my solicitors door down. Lol. Sometimes it's not about money it's about clearing the good name of the business which people have worked hard to establish

If I did this for every person who slandered one of my businesses id be living in the solicitors

Has heart even took the story up? As there's nothing on their Twitter feed yet

I imagine unlike the lynch mob on here they are waiting to hear the other side of the story. You can tell the thickos on here anything and they will believe what they read straight away.

The restaurant tweeted saying they are releasing a statement today.

Ain't that the truth.Is there any truth in the rumor that Tans behind all this and told the resturant to sack him because he didn't support the rebrand.I asked early on in this thread the reasons they gave for his dissmisal but was met with silence.I don't know whats more surprising-the original story or some peoples reaction on here.The Sun newspaper will never go bust.

Has heart even took the story up? As there's nothing on their Twitter feed yet

I imagine unlike the lynch mob on here they are waiting to hear the other side of the story. You can tell the thickos on here anything and they will believe what they read straight away.

The restaurant tweeted saying they are releasing a statement today.

Ain't that the truth.Is there any truth in the rumor that Tans behind all this and told the resturant to sack him because he didn't support the rebrand.I asked early on in this thread the reasons they gave for his dissmisal but was met with silence.I don't know whats more surprising-the original story or some peoples reaction on here.The Sun newspaper will never go bust.

Jeremy Kyle ?

Some of the negligible claims workers make against employers, and the thousands of pounds earned from them, I'd imagine they are seriously considering it.

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seems a very odd story to completely fabricate... if that is indeed what has happened here.

seems a very odd story to completely fabricate... if that is indeed what has happened here.

Being on the end of a heart story (they were the first ones to mention the advertising campaign) I can assure you that if they were to go with the story then it would have been first mentioned around 6am this morning and mentioned on their social media sites and yet news throughout the day because the bottom line is that they want to sell the story to other media outlets. Knowing that they haven't mentioned it seems very odd

seems a very odd story to completely fabricate... if that is indeed what has happened here.

Nevertheless Paul it just shows how stupid some people are and that they'll believe any bullshit served up to them.Now this story might be completely true as the OP tells it but right from the start I and others on here who engage their brain before posting smelt a rat and as the OP seems to have disappeared I'll wait to hear the restaurants side before coming to a decision on this.

people get very outraged where poppys are concerned. god forbid someone doesnt wear one and it makes them the devil. so a story like this would go national i imagine if true

“In the interest of public health and food hygiene, all our chefs are asked to wear suitable clothing, as detailed in our employee handbook.
Prior to Sunday 8th November, the employee requested to the acting head chef to wear a different apron. He explained that he cannot authorise this and the employee was told to get authorisation from members of management.
On Sunday 8th November, the employee turned up to work wearing a different apron. Our acting head chef reiterated that he had to get authorisation to wear it, at which point the employee walked out of work. It has been brought to our attention that the employee is claiming that he has been dismissed and we refused to let him wear the apron due to the fact that it was patterned with poppies. We utterly refute this allegation; in fact our acting head chef was wearing a poppy himself on his chefs jacket that day.
As employers, we fully respect our employees wishes and beliefs, especially on such an important day as Remembrance Sunday. However to reiterate, authorisation for different uniform needs to be approved by management.
As far as we are concerned, the employee is still employed by the company and we are expecting him to carry on his duties.“

Just seen this statement released on their facebook page.

So this has nothing to do with poppies and to suggest it is is shit stirring bullshit designed to get a reaction. He would have been told to take off that apron irrespective of what was on it.

I do however think it is ridiculous that this man needed permission to wear a different apron though and this whole situation could have been avoided. Both parties have acted wrongly.

“In the interest of public health and food hygiene, all our chefs are asked to wear suitable clothing, as detailed in our employee handbook.
Prior to Sunday 8th November, the employee requested to the acting head chef to wear a different apron. He explained that he cannot authorise this and the employee was told to get authorisation from members of management.
On Sunday 8th November, the employee turned up to work wearing a different apron. Our acting head chef reiterated that he had to get authorisation to wear it, at which point the employee walked out of work. It has been brought to our attention that the employee is claiming that he has been dismissed and we refused to let him wear the apron due to the fact that it was patterned with poppies. We utterly refute this allegation; in fact our acting head chef was wearing a poppy himself on his chefs jacket that day.
As employers, we fully respect our employees wishes and beliefs, especially on such an important day as Remembrance Sunday. However to reiterate, authorisation for different uniform needs to be approved by management.
As far as we are concerned, the employee is still employed by the company and we are expecting him to carry on his duties.“

Just seen this statement released on their facebook page.

So this has nothing to do with poppies and to suggest it is is shit stirring bullshit designed to get a reaction. He would have been told to take off that apron irrespective of what was on it.

I do however think it is ridiculous that this man needed permission to wear a different apron though and this whole situation could have been avoided. Both parties have acted wrongly.

why have both parties acted wrongly? i dont get what the restaurant have done wrong?

Well I say wrongly in the loosest possible form. I feel sorry for them as this bloke is just attention seeking and making mountains out of molehills. He's using the poppy as a way to get himself all over messageboards and facebook which is wrong in my opinion but each to their own.

However the restaurant are a bit pathetic making this man have to get permission from management to wear a different apron, especially as some posters have questioned the need for this. To be he did ask beforehand if he could wear it and he obviously thought he was okay to do so.

Restaurant have done nothing wrong.

Be interesting if someone can get a copy of the employees handbook through

Be interesting if someone can get a copy of the employees handbook through

But he hasn't even been sacked anyway!!!

Well I say wrongly in the loosest possible form. I feel sorry for them as this bloke is just attention seeking and making mountains out of molehills. He's using the poppy as a way to get himself all over messageboards and facebook which is wrong in my opinion but each to their own.

However the restaurant are a bit pathetic making this man have to get permission from management to wear a different apron, especially as some posters have questioned the need for this. To be he did ask beforehand if he could wear it and he obviously thought he was okay to do so.

To me, it covers uniform, and i think its personally reasonable that he has to wear what hes told. Otherwise he could turn up in an apron saying "i spit in your food"

All he had to do was ask "can i wear this"

they might have even been ok with it