England's biggest club V Wales biggest club

What parameters make Swamsea a bigger club than Wigan then, transient success? All Swansea have won is the league cup! They have won admirers for their style,of football but have never finished in the top 6 and they are very unlikely too, they have the second lowest capacity in the Premier League and their academy has currently produced very few palyers of value or talent.

Big or small club is also transient, like best and worst club is. Man United were not always the biggest club in England. As for what makes Swansea bigger than Wigan is a mix of the following:-

Global fanbase

Global exposure

Continued success at the highest level

Ability to attract a higher calibre of personel

Brand identity

Larger catchment area

Category 1 Academy status

Better facilities

Swansea are in the top 20 richest clubs on the planet

the list is extensive of factors which make Swansea a bigger club than Wigan and the majority of others in the football league. Over time, if the above changes then we can look at it again.

What parameters make Swamsea a bigger club than Wigan then, transient success? All Swansea have won is the league cup! They have won admirers for their style,of football but have never finished in the top 6 and they are very unlikely too, they have the second lowest capacity in the Premier League and their academy has currently produced very few palyers of value or talent.

Big or small club is also transient, like best and worst club is. Man United were not always the biggest club in England. As for what makes Swansea bigger than Wigan is a mix of the following:-

Global fanbase

Global exposure

Continued success at the highest level

Ability to attract a higher calibre of personel

Brand identity

Larger catchment area

Category 1 Academy status

Better facilities

Swansea are in the top 20 richest clubs on the planet

the list is extensive of factors which make Swansea a bigger club than Wigan and the majority of others in the football league.

Thanks Wiltshire white, however, all of these parameters are indicative of a currently more successful club and are totally dependent on Swansea Town maintaining their current status, they are not indicative of a historically bigger club. In my opinion to be a bigger club you have to have a history of greater success, greater support and higher profile. Would these factors you have indicated remain with Swanea if they were relegated?

To become a bigger club, Swansea need a huge, risky investment to improve the stadium, improve and retain the playing squad and to improve the quality of the palyers produced by the academy. Without outside investment, this will not happen. The Jack fanbase is a paranoid about any outside investment to take them to the next level.

If you truly believe that Swansea have better facilities and a bigger catchment area than Wigan you are deluded!

Wigan has a geographical problem with its proximity to Manchester and Liverpool and an affiliation problem due to the success of the Rugby League team.

What parameters make Swamsea a bigger club than Wigan then, transient success? All Swansea have won is the league cup! They have won admirers for their style,of football but have never finished in the top 6 and they are very unlikely too, they have the second lowest capacity in the Premier League and their academy has currently produced very few palyers of value or talent.

Big or small club is also transient, like best and worst club is. Man United were not always the biggest club in England. As for what makes Swansea bigger than Wigan is a mix of the following:-

Global fanbase

Global exposure

Continued success at the highest level

Ability to attract a higher calibre of personel

Brand identity

Larger catchment area

Category 1 Academy status

Better facilities

Swansea are in the top 20 richest clubs on the planet

the list is extensive of factors which make Swansea a bigger club than Wigan and the majority of others in the football league.

Thanks Wiltshire white, however, all of these parameters are indicative of a currently more successful club and are totally dependent on Swansea Town maintaining their current status, they are not indicative of a historically bigger club. In my opinion to be a bigger club you have to have a history of greater success, greater support and higher profile. Would these factors you have indicated remain with Swanea if they were relegated?

To become a bigger club, Swansea need a huge, risky investment to improve the stadium, improve and retain the playing squad and to improve the quality of the palyers produced by the academy. Without outside investment, this will not happen. The Jack fanbase is a paranoid about any outside investment to take them to the next level.

If you truly believe that Swansea have better facilities and a bigger catchment area than Wigan you are deluded!

Wigan has a geographical problem with its proximity to Manchester and Liverpool and an affiliation problem due to the success of the Rugby League team.

But a historically bigger club is based on transient success historically. There is no difference, unless you think success is more important in the past than in the present, not forgetting that any success currently will (or is) now also historical success. You are also making a case of what makes a "big" club, which of course is not the debate or what I am explaining at all. We are discussing two (three now for some reason) relatively small clubs and discussing who is bigger. None of the 3 have any signifficant or continued historical success.

I disagree about Wigan having a bigger catchment area than Swansea, Swanseas nearest Premier League team is in the midlands. I also disagree that Swansea cannot expand without outside investment, i believe the only thing stopping the expansion is the council and club stand off, which im sure will be resolves sooner rather than later.

As I said, if Swansea are relegated and all the perameters making them a bigger club also disappear then we can revisit it. But right now Swansea are bigger than both.

My Dad's bigger than your Dad!

Who cares who's "bigger"?
Who knows who's "bigger"?
Will winning this argument help Cardiff City Football Club?

What matters is the survival
Of the clan or history will be irrelevant. History is made every day. The question is, are the players and fans contributing to that history every week? If not, time to pull the old socks up. History is written by the victors, so win something!!

Keep your hair on Willie!

We did win a trophy less than three years ago The Championship, a very difficult league to win. Many teams have tried to win it and failed, including Swansea Town!

Just enjoyed exposing our Jack friend posing as a Bluebird.

One minute he is saying Sheffield Wednesday are a bigger club than us because they have one the League Cup once in 74 years, have spent more time in the Premier League than us and have bigger attendances. When I pointed out that Wigan have won a more prestigious cup than Swansea Town, have spent more time in the Premier League than Swansea and have a bigger record attendance in the Premier League he claims I agve changed the parameters.

It has to be that multi-millionaire super fan, who is a huge influence on the Jqck faithful.

Keep your hair on Willie!

We did win a trophy less than three years ago The Championship, a very difficult league to win. Many teams have tried to win it and failed, including Swansea Town!

Just enjoyed exposing our Jack friend posing as a Bluebird.

One minute he is saying Sheffield Wednesday are a bigger club than us because they have one the League Cup once in 74 years, have spent more time in the Premier League than us and have bigger attendances. When I pointed out that Wigan have won a more prestigious cup than Swansea Town, have spent more time in the Premier League than Swansea and have a bigger record attendance in the Premier League he claims I agve changed the parameters.

It has to be that multi-millionaire super fan, who is a huge influence on the Jqck faithful.

You can name call to detract from the debate as much as you like mate, but I wont bite.

A championship trophy is very hard to win, yes. But it is not a major trophy is it, there are no top flight teams in it, just like the LDV vans trophy etc (note I didnt mention that amongst the jacks achievements for that very reason).

Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than us due to the fact they won a major trophy relatively recently, have a good following and spent many years dining at the top table. Wigans record attendance is irrelevent when the jacks cannot fit anymore into their stadium as you are aware, that may become a factor after the expansion to the Liberty. They have spent more time in the Premier League but it was largely relegation avoiding seasons which is quite different to Swanseas current success there which of course has not ended and is continuing.

I also said that of the 92 teams in the league structure, Wigan are probably an exception to the rule (you pointed out the reasons as to why). I am sure if you named any other club that won more than 1 major trophy in recent history, been in Europe recently and spent more time at the top table than the jacks - then they would almost certainly be a bigger club. Name a few, be my guest.

Norwich;
Ipswich;
Portsmouth;
Southampton;
Middlesborough

Norwich;
Ipswich;
Portsmouth;
Southampton;
Middlesborough

All bigger clubs than both main Welsh clubs. My point in a nutshell.

At least three of those clubs do not meet the criteria you suggested made Swanssea a bigger club than Wigan. Have you read your own arguments? You chance parameters to suit yourself!

A familiar trait!

At least three of those clubs do not meet the criteria you suggested made Swanssea a bigger club than Wigan. Have you read your own arguments? You chance parameters to suit yourself!

A familiar trait!

Do you mean change?

No, parameters dont change at all, their importance does depending in the clubs we are comparing. The perameters are subjective and not in equal measure. There is no hard and fast rules to what makes a bigger club otherwise there wouldnt be a debate for a start.

I clearly gave what I feel makes a bigger club than another, but it is not a simple checklist of "4 for and 5 against" for example. One can be worth far more than others. I put more importance on top flight success than attendance for example, that is regardless of whom the clubs are. All of those clubs you names are bigger clubs than both Welsh sides.

Top trumps it is not.

Why are Portsmouth a bigger club than Swansea but Wigan are not?

Why are Portsmouth a bigger club than Swansea but Wigan are not?

Its very close with Portsmouth, but I am simply going on the fact you have them in a list I asked you to compile of clubs that have recently won more than 1 major trophy. If it is accurate then that is the main reason. If you are incorrect then Swansea are probably bigger based on their current continued success.

Why are Portsmouth a bigger club than Swansea but Wigan are not?

Its very close with Portsmouth, but I am simply going on the fact you have them in a list I asked you to compile of clubs that have recently won more than 1 major trophy. If it is accurate then that is the main reason. If you are incorrect then Swansea are probably bigger based on their current continued success.

It's compile a list of clubs!

So you admit you have no idea why Porstmouth are bigger than Swansea but Wigan are not?

Perhaps it's because they a have a superior history of succes and a bigger supporters base?

Why are Portsmouth a bigger club than Swansea but Wigan are not?

Its very close with Portsmouth, but I am simply going on the fact you have them in a list I asked you to compile of clubs that have recently won more than 1 major trophy. If it is accurate then that is the main reason. If you are incorrect then Swansea are probably bigger based on their current continued success.

It's compile a list of clubs!

So you admit you have no idea why Porstmouth are bigger than Swansea but Wigan are not?

Perhaps it's because they a have a superior history of succes and a bigger supporters base?

Does it matter if Wigan are bigger than Swansea. One thing is for sure though, Wigan wouldn't have got nowhere near the prem without being bankrolled by a sugar daddy. Another thing that Swansea can be proud if.

Why are Portsmouth a bigger club than Swansea but Wigan are not?

Its very close with Portsmouth, but I am simply going on the fact you have them in a list I asked you to compile of clubs that have recently won more than 1 major trophy. If it is accurate then that is the main reason. If you are incorrect then Swansea are probably bigger based on their current continued success.

It's compile a list of clubs!

So you admit you have no idea why Porstmouth are bigger than Swansea but Wigan are not?

Perhaps it's because they a have a superior history of succes and a bigger supporters base?

What? I answered you fully.

Portsmouth will be bigger than Swansea if your list is correct and they have won more than a solitary major trophy in recent history. If your list is wrong then I would say Swansea are bigger due to their continued success.

Swansea are bigger than Wigan because they have a larger fanbase, larger catchment area, better facilities, and are more successful than them in recent history.

Keep your hair on Willie!

We did win a trophy less than three years ago The Championship, a very difficult league to win. Many teams have tried to win it and failed, including Swansea Town!

Just enjoyed exposing our Jack friend posing as a Bluebird.

One minute he is saying Sheffield Wednesday are a bigger club than us because they have one the League Cup once in 74 years, have spent more time in the Premier League than us and have bigger attendances. When I pointed out that Wigan have won a more prestigious cup than Swansea Town, have spent more time in the Premier League than Swansea and have a bigger record attendance in the Premier League he claims I agve changed the parameters.

It has to be that multi-millionaire super fan, who is a huge influence on the Jqck faithful.

ok but I just find it goes back and fore without a proper resolution.

The sooner The Bluebirds get organised and develop the squad and off-the-pitch issues the sooner we have another cracking at the South Wales Derby on equal terms.

Keep your hair on Willie!

We did win a trophy less than three years ago The Championship, a very difficult league to win. Many teams have tried to win it and failed, including Swansea Town!

Just enjoyed exposing our Jack friend posing as a Bluebird.

One minute he is saying Sheffield Wednesday are a bigger club than us because they have one the League Cup once in 74 years, have spent more time in the Premier League than us and have bigger attendances. When I pointed out that Wigan have won a more prestigious cup than Swansea Town, have spent more time in the Premier League than Swansea and have a bigger record attendance in the Premier League he claims I agve changed the parameters.

It has to be that multi-millionaire super fan, who is a huge influence on the Jqck faithful.

ok but I just find it goes back and fore without a proper resolution.

The sooner The Bluebirds get organised and develop the squad and off-the-pitch issues the sooner we have another cracking at the South Wales Derby on equal terms.

I have been a season ticket holder for eighteen years, saw my first game in 1966. Believe me what goes around comes around, we are in good position to consolidate and build a new squad capable of pushing for promotion to the Premier League.

Success on the field will see supporters return and we have the catchment area and potential to fill the stadium, new stand and all. The infra-structure is there, we need to build an organisation with a culture and vision focussed on success.

Keep your hair on Willie!

We did win a trophy less than three years ago The Championship, a very difficult league to win. Many teams have tried to win it and failed, including Swansea Town!

Just enjoyed exposing our Jack friend posing as a Bluebird.

One minute he is saying Sheffield Wednesday are a bigger club than us because they have one the League Cup once in 74 years, have spent more time in the Premier League than us and have bigger attendances. When I pointed out that Wigan have won a more prestigious cup than Swansea Town, have spent more time in the Premier League than Swansea and have a bigger record attendance in the Premier League he claims I agve changed the parameters.

It has to be that multi-millionaire super fan, who is a huge influence on the Jqck faithful.

ok but I just find it goes back and fore without a proper resolution.

The sooner The Bluebirds get organised and develop the squad and off-the-pitch issues the sooner we have another cracking at the South Wales Derby on equal terms.

I have been a season ticket holder for eighteen years, saw my first game in 1966. Believe me what goes around comes around, we are in good position to consolidate and build a new squad capable of pushing for promotion to the Premier League.

Success on the field will see supporters return and we have the catchment area and potential to fill the stadium, new stand and all. The infra-structure is there, we need to build an organisation with a culture and vision focussed on success.

Only problem cardiff have been saying that for well over 50 yrs.

It worked three years ago, promoted as Champions as well!

It worked three years ago, promoted as Champions as well!

That proves it c an be done at City. I also hope lessons have been learned. Survival at that level is everything for the first couple of years. Throwing money at it just attracts mercenaries at top dollar. Gradual development of a core squad is essential. Here is where I would prefer the debate to centre. The past is the past. To make a bright future,togetherness is absolutely crucial on and off the pitch.

If promotion happens this season, all well and good, but (this isn't popular) a couple of seasons relearning the club ethos and culture will serve the club better in the long run. Obviously if it happens earlier, you don't shun it, but then it is a "hit the deck running" situation. No time for distractions. Unfortunately, OGS came out with just that when instead of targeting success, he chose beating the Jaxx. MISTAKE! Rivalry is one thing, obsession another.

Good luck to Slade. He's not my choice, but deserves a chance to work with what he has (DJ did).

Wiltshire blue and whereami is having a good time in this thread

Id like to think everyone is having a good time, otherwise why post.

Wiltshire blue and whereami is having a good time in this thread

He's enjoying the attention and will keep on going until end of time! Just like our friend RM?

Wiltshire blue and whereami is having a good time in this thread

He's enjoying the attention and will keep on going until end of time! Just like our friend RM?

I wasnt aware I was getting any attention, im hardly saying anything shocking, lets be fair.

Wiltshire blue and whereami is having a good time in this thread

He's enjoying the attention and will keep on going until end of time! Just like our friend RM?

I wasnt aware I was getting any attention, im hardly saying anything shocking, lets be fair.

What they are suggesting is you are Roath Magic, with good reason, reading your strange idolation of Swansea's success, considering your claim to be a blue.

Yes ive gathered that, its certainly an amusing accusation. Of course I admire their success, they are doing what we wish we could.

So what is the stand off between Swansea Town and the council
? You seem to be very well informed for a a City fan!

So what is the stand off between Swansea Town and the council
? You seem to be very well informed for a a City fan!

The price of the stadium I think.

Yes I try, thanks very much.

So what is the stand off between Swansea Town and the council
? You seem to be very well informed for a a City fan!

The price of the stadium I think.

Yes I try, thanks very much.

We live within our means, if we can't afford it, we don't have it, not a bad philosophy and one that's stood us in good stead

So what is the stand off between Swansea Town and the council
? You seem to be very well informed for a a City fan!

The price of the stadium I think.

Yes I try, thanks very much.

We live within our means, if we can't afford it, we don't have it, not a bad philosophy and one that's stood us in good stead

So you won't be extending anytime soon then?