" CARDIFF CITY NOW LOOKING AT WAYS "

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

I have renewed out of habit,but I am asking myself can I be bothered to watch Slades football ? No is the answer. If it continues I will attend less and less. Two seasons ago before premiership I went to every home and most away. Now I rarely go away and have even missed home games, unthinkable before this . As new manager is a must, ambition to challenge for promotion, a welcome atmosphere at the game - get rid of apparatchik stewards!!!!

Moving the canton this,child prices that and Sack Slade.Winning football is the simple answer and its down to the club to sort out

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wez i'd be interested to know how do other clubs manage then? As i far as i can see a simple barrier or transparent screen separating the two stands would be easy?

Saturday only season tickets for those that live away Annis, no incentive to buy for me when 7-8 games are midweek, with two small girls also wanting to go, it's not practical or cost effective to buy a full season ticket x 3.

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wez i'd be interested to know how do other clubs manage then? As i far as i can see a simple barrier or transparent screen separating the two stands would be easy?

let's be trueful with our self s most of our fans can't be trusted including what I use to be like ,you can't blame the club or police in not wanting us next to the away fans

It's mostly down to quality of football. It's been AWFUL under Slade. I'll always renew but understand why others won't. Until football improves and we become successful again things won't change. It's that simple.

It's mostly down to quality of football. It's been AWFUL under Slade. I'll always renew but understand why others won't. Until football improves and we become successful again things won't change. It's that simple.

That's how customers behave - you should know that Vinnie boy

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wez i'd be interested to know how do other clubs manage then? As i far as i can see a simple barrier or transparent screen separating the two stands would be easy?

let's be trueful with our self s most of our fans can't be trusted including what I use to be like ,you can't blame the club or police in not wanting us next to the away fans

Fair point but id say our away following are a much highter risk than our home support and i carnt remember much happening since chelsea, we'v moved on since those days and that mentality is why we boycotted leeds, theres easy ways to accomodate a switch but Wayne nash wont admit it can be done

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wez i'd be interested to know how do other clubs manage then? As i far as i can see a simple barrier or transparent screen separating the two stands would be easy?

let's be trueful with our self s most of our fans can't be trusted including what I use to be like ,you can't blame the club or police in not wanting us next to the away fans

Fair point but id say our away following are a much highter risk than our home support and i carnt remember much happening since chelsea, we'v moved on since those days and that mentality is why we boycotted leeds, theres easy ways to accomodate a switch but Wayne nash wont admit it can be done

nothing has happened at home games in the new stadium due to the way they have designed it and the way the club have arranged the seat ie the family stand. You can't blame them for doing it ,it would be better for the atmosphere if they swapped it but I just can't see them and the police allowing it

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wayne Nash said it would cost £40,000 a match to swop it

Lets be fair, Tan and his cronies have done this through their 'our way or no way' policies. People have had enough and we are the ones who have the say now, not Tan. How embarrassing will it be when the team runs out in front of 10000 next season?
Forget the back to blue decision.....he has lost an awful lot of fans through his actions.
The horrible truth is lots of the die-hards have found something better to do. The habit has been broken by many.
Until they put a proper fan in a position to advise Tan, I cant see things improving. He is a PR nightmare.

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wayne Nash said it would cost £40,000 a match to swop it

I believe him ,let's face it there would be murder when the likes of Leeds etc come to town if they swapped it. It would make for a better atmosphere but I just can't see the police or club every doing it

everyone who wants to get near the away fans why don't they buy tickets in 116/7

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wayne Nash said it would cost £40,000 a match to swop it

I believe him ,let's face it there would be murder when the likes of Leeds etc come to town if they swapped it. It would make for a better atmosphere but I just can't see the police or club every doing it

Wez, Yes I believe him on this.

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wez i'd be interested to know how do other clubs manage then? As i far as i can see a simple barrier or transparent screen separating the two stands would be easy?

let's be trueful with our self s most of our fans can't be trusted including what I use to be like ,you can't blame the club or police in not wanting us next to the away fans

Fair point but id say our away following are a much highter risk than our home support and i carnt remember much happening since chelsea, we'v moved on since those days and that mentality is why we boycotted leeds, theres easy ways to accomodate a switch but Wayne nash wont admit it can be done

Stapes i agree with you 100%, but cant see the club backing down on this unfortunately.

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wez i'd be interested to know how do other clubs manage then? As i far as i can see a simple barrier or transparent screen separating the two stands would be easy?

let's be trueful with our self s most of our fans can't be trusted including what I use to be like ,you can't blame the club or police in not wanting us next to the away fans

Fair point but id say our away following are a much highter risk than our home support and i carnt remember much happening since chelsea, we'v moved on since those days and that mentality is why we boycotted leeds, theres easy ways to accomodate a switch but Wayne nash wont admit it can be done

nothing has happened at home games in the new stadium due to the way they have designed it and the way the club have arranged the seat ie the family stand. You can't blame them for doing it ,it would be better for the atmosphere if they swapped it but I just can't see them and the police allowing it

The only partial trouble we have had was a few seasons ago against the wurzels in the carling cup,think the crowd was about 6300ish and they tried to perform a bit until the riot police took control.

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wez i'd be interested to know how do other clubs manage then? As i far as i can see a simple barrier or transparent screen separating the two stands would be easy?

let's be trueful with our self s most of our fans can't be trusted including what I use to be like ,you can't blame the club or police in not wanting us next to the away fans

Fair point but id say our away following are a much highter risk than our home support and i carnt remember much happening since chelsea, we'v moved on since those days and that mentality is why we boycotted leeds, theres easy ways to accomodate a switch but Wayne nash wont admit it can be done

nothing has happened at home games in the new stadium due to the way they have designed it and the way the club have arranged the seat ie the family stand. You can't blame them for doing it ,it would be better for the atmosphere if they swapped it but I just can't see them and the police allowing it

The only partial trouble we have had was a few seasons ago against the wurzels in the carling cup,think the crowd was about 6300ish and they tried to perform a bit until the riot police took control.

our move to the new stadium has been seen as a huge success by the club and police compared to ninian park ,I dint think they will back down on it

Ultimately it's success that will bring the fans back as has been proved time and time again, we start winning, they will return.

However, most people are suckers for a deal, you have to make an offer that's too good to turn down, so something like -

1. Another price freeze. Buy a season ticket before July and get a three/five year price freeze even if we get promoted.
2. Kids season tickets at low prices, buy an adult ST and get up to two kids ST for say £40


Also I would urge the club to get the new kits out ASAP.

To late for many of Mr Tans CUSTOMERS I'm afraid

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

This for me is massive. The atmosphere and match day experience is not the same. It can be done

All things the Club won't do because they are stubborn. Get a decent manager in. And start listening to the fans we want our atmosphere back, they have done everything in there power to destroy it and they know it. Fans are treated like kids and they wonder why they are deserting. We ain't kids we are adults so stop behaving like the gestapo.

Annis, swapping the Canton and Grange ends would give so many longtime fans such a boost

It's never going to happen polic ing costs will go up

Wez i'd be interested to know how do other clubs manage then? As i far as i can see a simple barrier or transparent screen separating the two stands would be easy?

let's be trueful with our self s most of our fans can't be trusted including what I use to be like ,you can't blame the club or police in not wanting us next to the away fans

Fair point but id say our away following are a much highter risk than our home support and i carnt remember much happening since chelsea, we'v moved on since those days and that mentality is why we boycotted leeds, theres easy ways to accomodate a switch but Wayne nash wont admit it can be done

nothing has happened at home games in the new stadium due to the way they have designed it and the way the club have arranged the seat ie the family stand. You can't blame them for doing it ,it would be better for the atmosphere if they swapped it but I just can't see them and the police allowing it

The only partial trouble we have had was a few seasons ago against the wurzels in the carling cup,think the crowd was about 6300ish and they tried to perform a bit until the riot police took control.

our move to the new stadium has been seen as a huge success by the club and police compared to ninian park ,I dint think they will back down on it

Annis 40 grand in police costs? We had a worse lot next to both ends of the away end at ninian park with a simple barrier/fence inbetween problem solved, police dont actually get involved these days anyway they just leave you to it get the cameras out and go knocking doors later, club has to act and put some sort of barrier up anyway they carnt let what happened against Birmingham happen again, family club of the year not looking after their families? Shocker

The fact is, security at CCS has been an overwhelming success, the Birmingham fans were in a tiny minority. Since we have been at CCS we have played the jacks, Bristol City, Leeds, Millwall Chelsea, West Ham all with no problems at all. Trouble and arrests at our games are practically non existent, you can' hardly blame the club for wanting to keep it that way.

Simple give us a winning team playing good football

Well we need a huge boost in season ticket sales which means taking extreme measures.

The trick is attracting people to renew or new people to buy without shafting people who have already renewed.

Some ideas....

Buy one get one free... clique but really works. People already renewed will be able to purchase a new season ticket for a family member or friend free of charge while pending renewals and new ST will come with a voucher for a free Season ticket.

Children under 10 free... this is almost a no-brainer - we have empty seats, lets fill em up with kids who will still contribute to the coffers throughout the season in merchandise and food etc.

It is better to have a crowd of 24k as opposed to 12k even if season ticket sales are the same. The club then need to be very very smart in marketing merchandise, food and drink in order to recoup overheads that the additional people will incur.. stewards, cleaners etc

Of course it doesn't matter if you're giving away free tickets the football, even when losing, has to be better. So, while it looks like Slade is staying, getting a few early exciting signings in will boost sales. We will never see a Slade side playing magnificent football so let's at least get some PACE and POWER in the side.

The number of season tickets sold has very little to do with the results and quality of football imo. The majority of the glory hunting plastics left when we got relegated.

The main reason thousands of the loyal fans haven't renewed yet (myself included) is because of the way we are treated. We want to feel valued and feel a part of our club, but on occasions, we get treated like criminals. The way the Blackpool fans were treated was disgraceful. This over zealous stewarding has to stop.

We all want to be able to attend a game and be left alone by the stewards to support the team and create an atmosphere, plus have the freedom of speech to protest about whatever we want, within reason. Why is that so much to ask for? When I read stories of stewards threatening to throw fans out just for looking towards the away fans, it's pathetic. These unneccessary, aggressive threats causes a provocative reaction resulting in arguing and squabbling, which ruins the game for fans. Treat us with respect to make our day more relaxed and enjoyable and we will be happy and renew again.

Also, why would any parent want to take their children to games to see their kids get intimidated by the away fans next to them and get attacked by these away fans throwing objects towards them? The ends need to be swapped around to improve the atmosphere and encourage families to want to go to games again. The family stand is always the most empty stand and that's because it's right next to the away fans. Kids are too intimidated to go to games again after a frightening experience and some parents don't want their children close enough to be able to make out the foul mouthed, abusive insults and chants from away fans.

Agree with most of this and many of the fans were only there when we were winning. If we start winning again they will come back and if slade does stay the first ten games are vital for him. I have supported him as any manager and really want him to do well but his image is so poor now that unless we are top 2/3 after 10 games the pressure on him would be too much. Probably better to cut him lose now and look at other options as might give sales short term boost.

I have renewed and my kids and I think the family stand is still good value but the price of 299 for an adult should be the same all around the ground and grandstand should be no more than 350 at max. Dynamic pricing is ridiculous for a club like outs at the moment and this needs to be scrapped ASAP and a return to the 20 adult and 5 kid pay on day which it used to be for any section and an extra 5 for grandstand.

Secondly if you have season ticket for kids and you are good enough to go to office and ask to swap for adult ticket and pay difference then this should be allowed. This was stopped in prem and this year and is ridiculous As we need as many in as possible l.

Thirdly just swap the Canton and grange ends. I have been in family and it is fine but atmospheare would raise 100% by doing this. Luckily my kids are 11 and 8 now so weren't to bothered by Birmingham game but if you were next to that stand with a 5 year old you would probably never return after seeing some fat brummies abuse your dad and then try and climb over barriers to fight them. Ridiculous that kids should have to put up with that. My daughter and son been going since they were 4 and have had to listen to songs about paedos and date Jones shagging kids from leeds fans and all sorts of Crap. I am a fan and have been going for years so I expect swearing and banter as a norm at matches but really the kids should be as far away from this as possible.I'm sure if a young kids first game was Birmingham he won't return in a hurry or the parents would think twice about it.

Stop the stewarts bei g over the top they help stop any atmosphere intoin the stadium.
A nice touch would be for players to meet with kids in the family stand to sign there books.

Lets see tan at the stadium again we are missing solidarity at thelub.
We need a club philosophy on how we play football like I hate to say Swansea have each manager should fit that philosophy.

Outline to fans the clubs goals this season

Debt to equity haa to be finally payed off its way overdue.

Get rid of slade the football on show is rubbish awful dire. If you want fans on board all these points have to be addressed asap.

The worry is the ccub seee so distant from its fans and I mean fans not customers you would of thought the leasons would be learned but they never learn.

Last point get a man in the club who understands bloody football.

The club have done everything in there power to kill any kind of atmosphere at the CCS, idiot stewards, wrong ends of ground for singing section, sterile areas. Well now they are reaping the benefits. The match day experience is BORING, this is what the club have created themselves, and now it means very few CUSTOMERS are now renewing their season tickets. You reap what you sow in this life Mr Tan

Make them affordable in line with the quality of football being played.