" Blaming Tan is disparity and looking for excuses "

Yeah. Tan should have let us go to the wall and I bet he's wishing he had. No more message boards for you then fellas.

Maybe just maybe we would have been still a proud club. A fact stated by Allan Whitley, It was Never Dead or Red that was a lie spread by the Red brigade.

what was it then annis???

I don't think it's to do with tan or the rebrand it's about the feel good factor and enjoyment.

All those seasons under Sam and PR it was exciting and we were pushing for that dream.
we has the dream and it was crap, what is the dream now? What's the feel good factor? Does anyone enjoy? Is loyalty a good enough to spend hundreds in this day and age? I don't think so. We are on a downward spiral and it's obvious the fans would drop.

Sensible post. Do you think Tan is an easy excuse though for those that aren't interested anymore?

Only just read this thread, but not only do I agree with the OT, I also agree with the tone of the language used!
There seem to be a section on here who portray Tan as some evil demon. From the facts that we have about him there is no real evidence that he is a bad man. Certainly he is a very rich man and probably used of getting his own way (as is almost every other powerful man). He made a mistake in re branding the club in red. But it was his money that bankrolled us so that long suffering fans could realise the dream of reaching the top league. He has now returned us to blue. I rhink continally raking over the coals and blaming him for our misfortunes is unjustified and counter productive.

It will be interesting to see what happens next! Personally, I hope that he decides to change manager and he provides more financial support. i say 'I hope' rather than I believe.
BUT ,for some, Tan is damned whatever he does.

Yeah. Tan should have let us go to the wall and I bet he's wishing he had. No more message boards for you then fellas.

Maybe just maybe we would have been still a proud club. A fact stated by Allan Whitley, It was Never Dead or Red that was a lie spread by the Red brigade.

what was it then annis???

We could have traded for another two months and then run out of money. Tg did not have the wealth to carry on supporting the club on a weekly basis hence the reason he brought tan.
In reality we were initially just a one game punt by tan against Blackpool because the rewards for a six million pound investment were tenfold that amount.
Without him this club would not exist in its present form but in its present form its now dying on its feet.

Yeah. Tan should have let us go to the wall and I bet he's wishing he had. No more message boards for you then fellas.

Maybe just maybe we would have been still a proud club. A fact stated by Allan Whitley, It was Never Dead or Red that was a lie spread by the Red brigade.

what was it then annis???

We could have traded for another two months and then run out of money. Tg did not have the wealth to carry on supporting the club on a weekly basis hence the reason he brought tan.
In reality we were initially just a one game punt by tan against Blackpool because the rewards for a six million pound investment were tenfold that amount.
Without him this club would not exist in its present form but in its present form its now dying on its feet.

Steve we have been in a lot worse than then but pulled though with our pride in tact. We can't say that since the re-brand.

Only just read this thread, but not only do I agree with the OT, I also agree with the tone of the language used!
There seem to be a section on here who portray Tan as some evil demon. From the facts that we have about him there is no real evidence that he is a bad man. Certainly he is a very rich man and probably used of getting his own way (as is almost every other powerful man). He made a mistake in re branding the club in red. But it was his money that bankrolled us so that long suffering fans could realise the dream of reaching the top league. He has now returned us to blue. I rhink continally raking over the coals and blaming him for our misfortunes is unjustified and counter productive.

It will be interesting to see what happens next! Personally, I hope that he decides to change manager and he provides more financial support. i say 'I hope' rather than I believe.
BUT ,for some, Tan is damned whatever he does.

Definitely. Damned if he does damned if he doesn't. Luckily for us Tan probably doesn't hear half the shite we spout or (contrary to what some say) isn't vindictive else he could really fook us.

Yeah. Tan should have let us go to the wall and I bet he's wishing he had. No more message boards for you then fellas.

Maybe just maybe we would have been still a proud club. A fact stated by Allan Whitley, It was Never Dead or Red that was a lie spread by the Red brigade.

what was it then annis???

We could have traded for another two months and then run out of money. Tg did not have the wealth to carry on supporting the club on a weekly basis hence the reason he brought tan.
In reality we were initially just a one game punt by tan against Blackpool because the rewards for a six million pound investment were tenfold that amount.
Without him this club would not exist in its present form but in its present form its now dying on its feet.

Steve we have been in a lot worse than then but pulled though with our pride in tact. We can't say that since the re-brand.

the only difference this time Ian is that i believe all our lives with HMRC had been used up and another transgrestion would see us liquidated

Yeah. Tan should have let us go to the wall and I bet he's wishing he had. No more message boards for you then fellas.

Maybe just maybe we would have been still a proud club. A fact stated by Allan Whitley, It was Never Dead or Red that was a lie spread by the Red brigade.

what was it then annis???

We could have traded for another two months and then run out of money. Tg did not have the wealth to carry on supporting the club on a weekly basis hence the reason he brought tan.
In reality we were initially just a one game punt by tan against Blackpool because the rewards for a six million pound investment were tenfold that amount.
Without him this club would not exist in its present form but in its present form its now dying on its feet.

Steve we have been in a lot worse than then but pulled though with our pride in tact. We can't say that since the re-brand.

the only difference this time Ian is that i believe all our lives with HMRC had been used up and another transgrestion would see us liquidated

You are quite right Steve that HMRC would not give the club the benefit of the doubt if the club fell into arrears with them again. This is due to the "economies with the truth" that a certain Peter Ridsdale used with them when we last faced potential winding up by them for unpaid debts. However , as I understand it , HMRC have been paid on time for some time now and this should continue to be the case as they are treated as a priority debt. Because of the huge losses the club has made in the past , there will be no corporation tax to pay in the foreseeable future if and when the club returns to profitability so the debts are restriscted to PAYE/NI and v.a.t which , as I say seem to be being kept up to date and paid on time.

For me , by far and away the biggest risk to the club financially (and to the directors personally if it all goes t*ts up) is the failure of the club board to take up the public offer from now nearly two years ago for its biggest creditor to convert all his debt into shares. That failure on their part (including a recommendation by one of them not to do it) may well come back to haunt them as it breaches many sections of the law as it relates to their duties as directors.

Keith

Yeah. Tan should have let us go to the wall and I bet he's wishing he had. No more message boards for you then fellas.

Maybe just maybe we would have been still a proud club. A fact stated by Allan Whitley, It was Never Dead or Red that was a lie spread by the Red brigade.

what was it then annis???

We could have traded for another two months and then run out of money. Tg did not have the wealth to carry on supporting the club on a weekly basis hence the reason he brought tan.
In reality we were initially just a one game punt by tan against Blackpool because the rewards for a six million pound investment were tenfold that amount.
Without him this club would not exist in its present form but in its present form its now dying on its feet.

Steve we have been in a lot worse than then but pulled though with our pride in tact. We can't say that since the re-brand.

the only difference this time Ian is that i believe all our lives with HMRC had been used up and another transgrestion would see us liquidated

You are quite right Steve that HMRC would not give the club the benefit of the doubt if the club fell into arrears with them again. This is due to the "economies with the truth" that a certain Peter Ridsdale used with them when we last faced potential winding up by them for unpaid debts. However , as I understand it , HMRC have been paid on time for some time now and this should continue to be the case as they are treated as a priority debt. Because of the huge losses the club has made in the past , there will be no corporation tax to pay in the foreseeable future if and when the club returns to profitability so the debts are restriscted to PAYE/NI and v.a.t which , as I say seem to be being kept up to date and paid on time.

For me , by far and away the biggest risk to the club financially (and to the directors personally if it all goes t*ts up) is the failure of the club board to take up the public offer from now nearly two years ago for its biggest creditor to convert all his debt into shares. That failure on their part (including a recommendation by one of them not to do it) may well come back to haunt them as it breaches many sections of the law as it relates to their duties as directors.

Keith

As far as i know keith one of the obligations to satisfy tan was for the other major shareholders to sell their shares back to tan at the price they bought them for
i believe mr 20% was the only one to renege at the last minute and he now seems to have disappeared off the scene after a few months of continual shit stirring within the club

Yeah. Tan should have let us go to the wall and I bet he's wishing he had. No more message boards for you then fellas.

Maybe just maybe we would have been still a proud club. A fact stated by Allan Whitley, It was Never Dead or Red that was a lie spread by the Red brigade.

what was it then annis???

We could have traded for another two months and then run out of money. Tg did not have the wealth to carry on supporting the club on a weekly basis hence the reason he brought tan.
In reality we were initially just a one game punt by tan against Blackpool because the rewards for a six million pound investment were tenfold that amount.
Without him this club would not exist in its present form but in its present form its now dying on its feet.

Steve we have been in a lot worse than then but pulled though with our pride in tact. We can't say that since the re-brand.

the only difference this time Ian is that i believe all our lives with HMRC had been used up and another transgrestion would see us liquidated

You are quite right Steve that HMRC would not give the club the benefit of the doubt if the club fell into arrears with them again. This is due to the "economies with the truth" that a certain Peter Ridsdale used with them when we last faced potential winding up by them for unpaid debts. However , as I understand it , HMRC have been paid on time for some time now and this should continue to be the case as they are treated as a priority debt. Because of the huge losses the club has made in the past , there will be no corporation tax to pay in the foreseeable future if and when the club returns to profitability so the debts are restriscted to PAYE/NI and v.a.t which , as I say seem to be being kept up to date and paid on time.

For me , by far and away the biggest risk to the club financially (and to the directors personally if it all goes t*ts up) is the failure of the club board to take up the public offer from now nearly two years ago for its biggest creditor to convert all his debt into shares. That failure on their part (including a recommendation by one of them not to do it) may well come back to haunt them as it breaches many sections of the law as it relates to their duties as directors.

Keith

How dare Tan ensure HMRC are paid on time.

Yeah. Tan should have let us go to the wall and I bet he's wishing he had. No more message boards for you then fellas.

Maybe just maybe we would have been still a proud club. A fact stated by Allan Whitley, It was Never Dead or Red that was a lie spread by the Red brigade.

what was it then annis???

We could have traded for another two months and then run out of money. Tg did not have the wealth to carry on supporting the club on a weekly basis hence the reason he brought tan.
In reality we were initially just a one game punt by tan against Blackpool because the rewards for a six million pound investment were tenfold that amount.
Without him this club would not exist in its present form but in its present form its now dying on its feet.

Steve we have been in a lot worse than then but pulled though with our pride in tact. We can't say that since the re-brand.

the only difference this time Ian is that i believe all our lives with HMRC had been used up and another transgrestion would see us liquidated

You are quite right Steve that HMRC would not give the club the benefit of the doubt if the club fell into arrears with them again. This is due to the "economies with the truth" that a certain Peter Ridsdale used with them when we last faced potential winding up by them for unpaid debts. However , as I understand it , HMRC have been paid on time for some time now and this should continue to be the case as they are treated as a priority debt. Because of the huge losses the club has made in the past , there will be no corporation tax to pay in the foreseeable future if and when the club returns to profitability so the debts are restriscted to PAYE/NI and v.a.t which , as I say seem to be being kept up to date and paid on time.

For me , by far and away the biggest risk to the club financially (and to the directors personally if it all goes t*ts up) is the failure of the club board to take up the public offer from now nearly two years ago for its biggest creditor to convert all his debt into shares. That failure on their part (including a recommendation by one of them not to do it) may well come back to haunt them as it breaches many sections of the law as it relates to their duties as directors.

Keith

As far as i know keith one of the obligations to satisfy tan was for the other major shareholders to sell their shares back to tan at the price they bought them for
i believe mr 20% was the only one to renege at the last minute and he now seems to have disappeared off the scene after a few months of continual shit stirring within the club

Does this mean that in fact its because of mr 20% tan hasnt converted? Blows some people's assertions its all tans fault it hasn't happened out of the water!

The same people who are stupid enough to believe the red or dead crap are the same people who vote UKIP. Its hardly surprising there's a strong correlation between the two on here.

The same people who are stupid enough to believe the red or dead crap are the same people who vote UKIP. Its hardly surprising there's a strong correlation between the two on here.

By the same token the same people who say we were never red or dead have never come up with a credible argument for how the club was actually going to survive without further investment from tan. No rebrand, no tan, no money and no club was the way i always saw it.

The same people who are stupid enough to believe the red or dead crap are the same people who vote UKIP. Its hardly surprising there's a strong correlation between the two on here.

Typical bullshit from you. You can't possibly make that assumption.

The same people who are stupid enough to believe the red or dead crap are the same people who vote UKIP. Its hardly surprising there's a strong correlation between the two on here.

By the same token the same people who say we were never red or dead have never come up with a credible argument for how the club was actually going to survive without further investment from tan. No rebrand, no tan, no money and no club was the way i always saw it.

This is exactly how any fans with a brain saw it.Blueminati hardly comes into that category.

The same people who are stupid enough to believe the red or dead crap are the same people who vote UKIP. Its hardly surprising there's a strong correlation between the two on here.

By the same token the same people who say we were never red or dead have never come up with a credible argument for how the club was actually going to survive without further investment from tan. No rebrand, no tan, no money and no club was the way i always saw it.

Leeds United returned as a phoenix club. Portsmouth are still around. Face it, fans wanted Premier League in the short term over taking a big hit on admin and rebuilding from scratch. That is the fact. This nonsense that our club would cease to exist is exactly that, nonsense. Leeds still exist. Portsmouth still exist. Swansea still exist. You know what? There's an array of clubs who've hit the financial brick wall and still exist. Don't give me there would be no club cause its complete crap and you know it.

The same people who are stupid enough to believe the red or dead crap are the same people who vote UKIP. Its hardly surprising there's a strong correlation between the two on here.

By the same token the same people who say we were never red or dead have never come up with a credible argument for how the club was actually going to survive without further investment from tan. No rebrand, no tan, no money and no club was the way i always saw it.

Leeds United returned as a phoenix club. Portsmouth are still around. Face it, fans wanted Premier League in the short term over taking a big hit on admin and rebuilding from scratch. That is the fact. This nonsense that our club would cease to exist is exactly that, nonsense. Leeds still exist. Portsmouth still exist. Swansea still exist. You know what? There's an array of clubs who've hit the financial brick wall and still exist. Don't give me there would be no club cause its complete crap and you know it.

I don't swear often, but feck me, you don't half talk some complete bollocks, fella!

It really is embarrassing!

The same people who are stupid enough to believe the red or dead crap are the same people who vote UKIP. Its hardly surprising there's a strong correlation between the two on here.

By the same token the same people who say we were never red or dead have never come up with a credible argument for how the club was actually going to survive without further investment from tan. No rebrand, no tan, no money and no club was the way i always saw it.

Leeds United returned as a phoenix club. Portsmouth are still around. Face it, fans wanted Premier League in the short term over taking a big hit on admin and rebuilding from scratch. That is the fact. This nonsense that our club would cease to exist is exactly that, nonsense. Leeds still exist. Portsmouth still exist. Swansea still exist. You know what? There's an array of clubs who've hit the financial brick wall and still exist. Don't give me there would be no club cause its complete crap and you know it.

The rules of the football league have changed considerably since the Leeds debacle and the revenue don't write off large sums of money anymore.
You also need 75% of creditors to agree to the new terms of the debt that would still be outstanding to them before being released from administration
I will ask you for the second time where was the money coming from if tan bailed. Administration or not we still needed a large input of money from somewhere and the likes of you who say it wasn't red or dead have yet to answer that question as to where it was coming from

The same people who are stupid enough to believe the red or dead crap are the same people who vote UKIP. Its hardly surprising there's a strong correlation between the two on here.

By the same token the same people who say we were never red or dead have never come up with a credible argument for how the club was actually going to survive without further investment from tan. No rebrand, no tan, no money and no club was the way i always saw it.

Leeds United returned as a phoenix club. Portsmouth are still around. Face it, fans wanted Premier League in the short term over taking a big hit on admin and rebuilding from scratch. That is the fact. This nonsense that our club would cease to exist is exactly that, nonsense. Leeds still exist. Portsmouth still exist. Swansea still exist. You know what? There's an array of clubs who've hit the financial brick wall and still exist. Don't give me there would be no club cause its complete crap and you know it.

The rules of the football league have changed considerably since the Leeds debacle and the revenue don't write off large sums of money anymore.
You also need 75% of creditors to agree to the new terms of the debt that would still be outstanding to them before being released from administration
I will ask you for the second time where was the money coming from if tan bailed. Administration or not we still needed a large input of money from somewhere and the likes of you who say it wasn't red or dead have yet to answer that question as to where it was coming from

Season ticket sales for the next year? Nope spent that.
Sale of a player? Nope all assets had been sold?
Sam? Ha ha.
Sell the stadium? Couldn't do that.
Sell some land? Did that raised pittance.

We were screwed and would have gone bust.