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Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:20 pm

blueminati wrote:The only party that will allow us to make our own decision and stay in the EU once the UK withdraws. We benefit so much from being an EU member that leaving would be disastrous. Free movement is great for Wales.

Vote Plaid Cymru. Wales can be great no matter what all the doom and gloom merchants say.

Vote for policies for the Welsh people, not policies for London profit.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

WOULD RATHER SLAM MY CHOPPER IN THE BATHROOM DOOR THAN VOTE FOR THOSE LOONS

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:50 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:
blueminati wrote:The only party that will allow us to make our own decision and stay in the EU once the UK withdraws. We benefit so much from being an EU member that leaving would be disastrous. Free movement is great for Wales.

Vote Plaid Cymru. Wales can be great no matter what all the doom and gloom merchants say.

Vote for policies for the Welsh people, not policies for London profit.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

WOULD RATHER SLAM MY CHOPPER IN THE BATHROOM DOOR THAN VOTE FOR THOSE LOONS

Go ahead, it'd be for the best, I'm sure.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:57 pm

blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:Out of them all whether people like him or not Cameron was the only one to come out with any economic plan going forward.


You mean a plan of putting 99%+ of the population through austerity whilst multinationals get away with contributing little? Yeah, solid economic plan. You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the Tories have a plan that is in your interests. A very small percentile of the population benefit from what is currently going on.


That's because there needs to be cuts so take your blinkers off

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:27 pm

Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:Out of them all whether people like him or not Cameron was the only one to come out with any economic plan going forward.


You mean a plan of putting 99%+ of the population through austerity whilst multinationals get away with contributing little? Yeah, solid economic plan. You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the Tories have a plan that is in your interests. A very small percentile of the population benefit from what is currently going on.


That's because there needs to be cuts so take your blinkers off

So why aren't those who can afford it being asked to cough up then? Why are only the poorest 99%+ being put through austerity whilst the rich aren't? You haven't got a clue Adam quite frankly and multinational owners are making a mug of SME owners like yourself. If you pulled any of the tricks they did to 'avoid' taxation the HMRC would be hounding you like no tomorrow. Quite frankly you deserve everything you get if you're such a mug you're going to allow it to happen.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:38 pm

blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:Out of them all whether people like him or not Cameron was the only one to come out with any economic plan going forward.


You mean a plan of putting 99%+ of the population through austerity whilst multinationals get away with contributing little? Yeah, solid economic plan. You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the Tories have a plan that is in your interests. A very small percentile of the population benefit from what is currently going on.


That's because there needs to be cuts so take your blinkers off

So why aren't those who can afford it being asked to cough up then? Why are only the poorest 99%+ being put through austerity whilst the rich aren't? You haven't got a clue Adam quite frankly and multinational owners are making a mug of SME owners like yourself. If you pulled any of the tricks they did to 'avoid' taxation the HMRC would be hounding you like no tomorrow. Quite frankly you deserve everything you get if you're such a mug you're going to allow it to happen.


You haven't a clue because if you are old enoug you would understand that almost every household in the country overspent during the last decade and we all spent over our means. Those multinationals employ and contract out to SMEs like myself and to be frank I couldn't give a shit about coperation tax and my personal opinion is that coperation tax should be abolshed!!! Those multinationals employ thousands in this country and fingers crossed they continue to do so

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:54 pm

blueminati wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
popeye21 wrote:
blueminati wrote:The only party that will allow us to make our own decision and stay in the EU once the UK withdraws. We benefit so much from being an EU member that leaving would be disastrous. Free movement is great for Wales.

Vote Plaid Cymru. Wales can be great no matter what all the doom and gloom merchants say.

Vote for policies for the Welsh people, not policies for London profit.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

That would be your only decision made on your own as every other one would be made by the EU, which is why your party is so hypocritical. Plaid want devolution so that the English in Westminster are not governing Wales, yet once they are out of the UK would join the EU so that they could be governed by the Germans and the French. The party just wants more jobs for career politicians with the four layers of government that comes as part of the EU package, rather than the three outside the EU or even two if a return to the old style of politics without the waste of space National Assembly. Wales has almost got all that is required in resources to be a successful independent country, enough water; arable land for crops; enough marginal land for livestock; enough energy; fabulous scenery for tourism; a barely adequate transport network ; but the only politicians who want independence are more interested in their own pockets chasing the extra jobs that the EU provides for career politicians.

Still waiting for your reply.


You are incorrect. There are more layers as it currently is.

WAG
UK Gov
EU

If we left there'd be one less layer because we'd no longer be governed by Westminster. It'd simply be WAG < EU. We'd then be represented at EU level by Welsh MEP's standing for Wales on Welsh matters. The only real argument I can say 'fair enough' to on not wanting that is the adoption of the Euro.

But if we leave the UK there would only be 2 layers, yet Plaid want to be part of the EU taking it back up to 3. If they wanted to stay on 2 layers then they would have their autonomy, but by wanting to join the EU they also either want the extra jobs or they're a bunch of hypocrites who want to be governed by the EU instead of Westminster.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:56 pm

Military Junta wrote:You haven't a clue because if you are old enoug you would understand that almost every household in the country overspent during the last decade and we all spent over our means. Those multinationals employ and contract out to SMEs like myself and to be frank I couldn't give a shit about coperation tax and my personal opinion is that coperation tax should be abolshed!!! Those multinationals employ thousands in this country and fingers crossed they continue to do so

Right, so I wasn't old enough to contribute to it. Okay then, I'm not responsible for paying it back then either. Make those old enough and make those who contributed pay it back.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:59 pm

popeye21 wrote:But if we leave the UK there would only be 2 layers, yet Plaid want to be part of the EU taking it back up to 3. If they wanted to stay on 2 layers then they would have their autonomy, but by wanting to join the EU they also either want the extra jobs or they're a bunch of hypocrites who want to be governed by the EU instead of Westminster.


Can you count?

Currently - WAG > Westminster > Europe.

If the UK withdraws it'll be WAG > Westminster

If we then leave the UK and rejoin the EU it'll be WAG > EU.

It will remain at 2. The only question is do you want to be part of the EU which values human rights, people, a family lifestyle and protects many things people in the UK take for granted or do you want to be part of the UK where profit is the only thing that matters and most money gets ploughed back into London as the rest of the UK gets neglected and that includes the North of England.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:01 pm

blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:You haven't a clue because if you are old enoug you would understand that almost every household in the country overspent during the last decade and we all spent over our means. Those multinationals employ and contract out to SMEs like myself and to be frank I couldn't give a shit about coperation tax and my personal opinion is that coperation tax should be abolshed!!! Those multinationals employ thousands in this country and fingers crossed they continue to do so

Right, so I wasn't old enough to contribute to it. Okay then, I'm not responsible for paying it back then either. Make those old enough and make those who contributed pay it back.


Well your generation benefited by the last government raiding our pension pots to fund the overspend so yes you do also have something to payback

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:03 pm

Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:You haven't a clue because if you are old enoug you would understand that almost every household in the country overspent during the last decade and we all spent over our means. Those multinationals employ and contract out to SMEs like myself and to be frank I couldn't give a shit about coperation tax and my personal opinion is that coperation tax should be abolshed!!! Those multinationals employ thousands in this country and fingers crossed they continue to do so

Right, so I wasn't old enough to contribute to it. Okay then, I'm not responsible for paying it back then either. Make those old enough and make those who contributed pay it back.


Well your generation benefited by the last government raiding our pension pots to fund the overspend so yes you do also have something to payback

Nah, you're alright. The bankers and rich who avoid taxation can pay it back. I'm off abroad. Im not paying for the mistakes of a previous careless generation.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:04 pm

blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:You haven't a clue because if you are old enoug you would understand that almost every household in the country overspent during the last decade and we all spent over our means. Those multinationals employ and contract out to SMEs like myself and to be frank I couldn't give a shit about coperation tax and my personal opinion is that coperation tax should be abolshed!!! Those multinationals employ thousands in this country and fingers crossed they continue to do so

Right, so I wasn't old enough to contribute to it. Okay then, I'm not responsible for paying it back then either. Make those old enough and make those who contributed pay it back.


Well your generation benefited by the last government raiding our pension pots to fund the overspend so yes you do also have something to payback

Nah, you're alright. The bankers and rich who avoid taxation can pay it back. I'm off abroad. Im not paying for the mistakes of a previous careless generation.


You keep on saying that you are moving aboard but never f*cking do. Lol all mouth as per usual

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:10 pm

blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:Out of them all whether people like him or not Cameron was the only one to come out with any economic plan going forward.


You mean a plan of putting 99%+ of the population through austerity whilst multinationals get away with contributing little? Yeah, solid economic plan. You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the Tories have a plan that is in your interests. A very small percentile of the population benefit from what is currently going on.


That's because there needs to be cuts so take your blinkers off

So why aren't those who can afford it being asked to cough up then? Why are only the poorest 99%+ being put through austerity whilst the rich aren't? You haven't got a clue Adam quite frankly and multinational owners are making a mug of SME owners like yourself. If you pulled any of the tricks they did to 'avoid' taxation the HMRC would be hounding you like no tomorrow. Quite frankly you deserve everything you get if you're such a mug you're going to allow it to happen.

It's a global economy. If the tax burden for multinationals is too high or for the rich, they simply move. France put up it's taxes and a lot of the rich moved to London and Moscow. One reason why the rich pay less tax is because G. Brown allowed people to set themselves up as limited companies. Then when the tax rate nears 43% they are then willing to pay the higher accountancy fees, setting themselves up as a limited company and buying a Gibraltar passport for £50k then paying corporation tax at 0% and they don't even need to live in Gibraltar. This is why the Labour Party only put up the higher rate of tax 3 weeks before the last election and why when the Tories reversed the tax, they actually collected more revenue. Only the super rich pay little or no taxes, with 53 billionaires in the UK prior to the last election paying £10.1m between them, but £9.3m was paid by Dyson. Hence, the reason for him to move his factories to Malaysia, rather than be seen as the only mug of the super rich.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:23 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Valley Lad wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Valley Lad wrote:Is this the same Leanne Wood who thinks she is leader of the party of Wherles? It's Wales Leanne :thumbup:

The same Leanne Wood who was stood next to leader of the Lairbour party? Wrong again Leanne, it's Labour! :oops:

Finally, it's votes you're after Leanne not vaughts!!

Don't think she will be getting too many, simply embarrassing!

Are you really mocking her accent? :shock: When your username is 'Valley Lad'?

It's nothing to do with accent!
It's pronunciation and as a leader of a political party, it's embarrassing. I have a Welsh accent and I'm proud of it, but when you have a person supposedly representing 'Wales' speaking in that manner, it's no wonder we get mocked it's cringeworthy.

An accent is a distinctive way of pronouncing a language you absolute berk, the two are linked! :shock:

If people want to take issue with her accent, that's their problem. They're just being incredibly childish.


So I'm a berk and childish for questioning a political leader who cannot pronounce the country her party claims to be representing? :laughing6:

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:30 pm

Military Junta wrote:You keep on saying that you are moving aboard but never f*cking do. Lol all mouth as per usual


I'm moving abroad next month actually once I've voted Plaid. Im making sure I vote before I go. :thumbright:

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:31 pm

Valley Lad wrote:So I'm a berk and childish for questioning a political leader who cannot pronounce the country her party claims to be representing? :laughing6:

No you're a berk because you don't understand colloquialisms and how languages evolve over time now jog on.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:52 pm

I doth my cap to Bluminati for fighting the good fight. :notworthy:

The UKIP types are uneducated, balding, middle aged men who are angry because life didn't turn out the way they hoped.

Therefore, they have to have something or someone to blame (Islam, the Welsh language, Polish immigrants, gays) for their own feelings of inadequacy.

They'll be extinct in a generation or two.

The future is ours.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:58 am

Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:Out of them all whether people like him or not Cameron was the only one to come out with any economic plan going forward.


You mean a plan of putting 99%+ of the population through austerity whilst multinationals get away with contributing little? Yeah, solid economic plan. You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the Tories have a plan that is in your interests. A very small percentile of the population benefit from what is currently going on.


That's because there needs to be cuts so take your blinkers off


Cuts to public services mainly affect the poorest in society. Is it fair that the greedy bankers who absolutely fucked up the economy of this and other countries should get baled out to the tune of hundreds of billions of pounds to save their asses, only for the poorest in society to have to pay for their mistakes? The answer, in case you are not sure, is NO! Public services in many areas are on their knees yet the tory twats are prepared to cut back a further £30 billion from ordinary people to "make things right." How they manage to con the people who they steal from to vote for them absolutely beggars belief....but there you go!

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:21 am

Valley Lad wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Valley Lad wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
Valley Lad wrote:Is this the same Leanne Wood who thinks she is leader of the party of Wherles? It's Wales Leanne :thumbup:

The same Leanne Wood who was stood next to leader of the Lairbour party? Wrong again Leanne, it's Labour! :oops:

Finally, it's votes you're after Leanne not vaughts!!

Don't think she will be getting too many, simply embarrassing!

Are you really mocking her accent? :shock: When your username is 'Valley Lad'?

It's nothing to do with accent!
It's pronunciation and as a leader of a political party, it's embarrassing. I have a Welsh accent and I'm proud of it, but when you have a person supposedly representing 'Wales' speaking in that manner, it's no wonder we get mocked it's cringeworthy.

An accent is a distinctive way of pronouncing a language you absolute berk, the two are linked! :shock:

If people want to take issue with her accent, that's their problem. They're just being incredibly childish.


So I'm a berk and childish for questioning a political leader who cannot pronounce the country her party claims to be representing? :laughing6:


She pronounces it different to you and that is enough evidence to dismiss her as a leader!! Tom Bradbury actually said she had a nice accent. Try looking at Plaid's policies for Wales and tell me what's wrong with them. Also, tell me what Wales will do when the day comes that the English get fed up of subsidising us. Since the Scottish referendum English nationalism has been on the rise fuelled by several senior Tory MPs. I've noticed that on the BBC programme "Question Time" lots of discontent from English audiences about the funding levels of the Scots. Now this has been exposed the English are not happy. When Scottish SNP MPs start calling the shots in Westminster there is certain to be a backlash from the English. And it won't take them long to realise that we get higher levels of public funding than England. In the event of them kicking us into touch what the hell will we do? I think the sensible thing is to develop the Welsh economy to a point where we start generating enough taxes to stand on our own two feet. That is just not going to happen under the main Westminster parties. They really don't give a f**k about us. :thumbup:

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:54 am

100% behind the only proper Welsh party Plaid.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:31 am

tcblue wrote:I doth my cap to Bluminati for fighting the good fight. :notworthy:

The UKIP types are uneducated, balding, middle aged men who are angry because life didn't turn out the way they hoped.

Therefore, they have to have something or someone to blame (Islam, the Welsh language, Polish immigrants, gays) for their own feelings of inadequacy.

They'll be extinct in a generation or two.

The future is ours.
bullshit ,the ukip types are people who are proud of being British and can see this great nation going down the pan due to the eu getting more control over us. Lefty People like you need to get your head out of your arse and see what's going on in this nation ,Hitler wanted to rule the whole if Europe just like the eu are doing now

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:24 am

tcblue wrote:I doth my cap to Bluminati for fighting the good fight. :notworthy:

The UKIP types are uneducated, balding, middle aged men who are angry because life didn't turn out the way they hoped.

Therefore, they have to have something or someone to blame (Islam, the Welsh language, Polish immigrants, gays) for their own feelings of inadequacy.

They'll be extinct in a generation or two.

The future is ours.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I hope that is true

But, all i see in a lot of our younger generation is naive spoon feed idealists cocooned in a false "fair" world, unprepared for the hard work and knocks life throws at you. The reason the Poles and other Eastern European are so successful over here is they are not.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:20 am

blueminati wrote:
Valley Lad wrote:So I'm a berk and childish for questioning a political leader who cannot pronounce the country her party claims to be representing? :laughing6:

No you're a berk because you don't understand colloquialisms and how languages evolve over time now jog on.


So you're saying we were Wales, but now we're Whereles? :laughing6:

When we're all watching our country take on Belgium, We'll see if we can get a chant going 'Wherles, Wherles'

You can let us know how it sounds as you won't be there, you'll be abroad. :wave:

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:16 pm

blueminati wrote:
popeye21 wrote:But if we leave the UK there would only be 2 layers, yet Plaid want to be part of the EU taking it back up to 3. If they wanted to stay on 2 layers then they would have their autonomy, but by wanting to join the EU they also either want the extra jobs or they're a bunch of hypocrites who want to be governed by the EU instead of Westminster.


Can you count?

Currently - WAG > Westminster > Europe.

If the UK withdraws it'll be WAG > Westminster

If we then leave the UK and rejoin the EU it'll be WAG > EU.

It will remain at 2. The only question is do you want to be part of the EU which values human rights, people, a family lifestyle and protects many things people in the UK take for granted or do you want to be part of the UK where profit is the only thing that matters and most money gets ploughed back into London as the rest of the UK gets neglected and that includes the North of England.

Yes, you left out the L.A.'s such as Cardiff City Council. There are 4 layers which would drop to 2, but as Plaid are either hypocrites who don't want autonomy or want to keep jobs for career politicians they would re-join the EU and the number of layers of government increases to 3. Norway and Switzerland have been at the top of the tree for standards of living for decades because they are outside the EU, but still trade with the EU.

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:08 pm

popeye21 wrote:Yes, you left out the L.A.'s such as Cardiff City Council. There are 4 layers which would drop to 2, but as Plaid are either hypocrites who don't want autonomy or want to keep jobs for career politicians they would re-join the EU and the number of layers of government increases to 3. Norway and Switzerland have been at the top of the tree for standards of living for decades because they are outside the EU, but still trade with the EU.

Norway and Switzerland both have free movement as a condition of their economic agreements.

:laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:22 pm

blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:You keep on saying that you are moving aboard but never f*cking do. Lol all mouth as per usual


I'm moving abroad next month actually once I've voted Plaid. Im making sure I vote before I go. :thumbright:


The only place you will move away from next month is your bedroom you nerd!!!! Lol

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:52 pm

Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:You keep on saying that you are moving aboard but never f*cking do. Lol all mouth as per usual


I'm moving abroad next month actually once I've voted Plaid. Im making sure I vote before I go. :thumbright:


The only place you will move away from next month is your bedroom you nerd!!!! Lol

I'm voting Plaid before I move abroad. :lol:

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:08 pm

blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:You keep on saying that you are moving aboard but never f*cking do. Lol all mouth as per usual


I'm moving abroad next month actually once I've voted Plaid. Im making sure I vote before I go. :thumbright:


The only place you will move away from next month is your bedroom you nerd!!!! Lol

I'm voting Plaid before I move abroad. :lol:


So you keep on saying. You were moving to Canada, then Australia and you still haven't left your bedroom. You just lie for the sake of lying. Lol

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:18 pm

Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:You keep on saying that you are moving aboard but never f*cking do. Lol all mouth as per usual


I'm moving abroad next month actually once I've voted Plaid. Im making sure I vote before I go. :thumbright:


The only place you will move away from next month is your bedroom you nerd!!!! Lol

I'm voting Plaid before I move abroad. :lol:


So you keep on saying. You were moving to Canada, then Australia and you still haven't left your bedroom. You just lie for the sake of lying. Lol

Wrong. I wanted to move to those countries but probably cant now due to VISA restrictions. I'll be moving to mainland Europe. Nice try though. :wave:

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:25 pm

blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
blueminati wrote:
Military Junta wrote:You keep on saying that you are moving aboard but never f*cking do. Lol all mouth as per usual


I'm moving abroad next month actually once I've voted Plaid. Im making sure I vote before I go. :thumbright:


The only place you will move away from next month is your bedroom you nerd!!!! Lol

I'm voting Plaid before I move abroad. :lol:


So you keep on saying. You were moving to Canada, then Australia and you still haven't left your bedroom. You just lie for the sake of lying. Lol

Wrong. I wanted to move to those countries but probably cant now due to VISA restrictions. I'll be moving to mainland Europe. Nice try though. :wave:


Mmmmm ok then as someone who has lived in Australia then tell me what's the problem with getting an Australia visa then ?

Re: Vote Plaid Cymru

Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:29 pm

Military Junta wrote:Mmmmm ok then as someone who has lived in Australia then tell me what's the problem with getting an Australia visa then ?

I probably wont get enough points for a skilled immigration VISA. I could probably get a temporary one for 6 months stay but I dont want to do that. Maybe some time in the future.