Which Political Party carries your main beliefs ? POLL

You mate.. are full of shit.

Strong argument. Did they teach you that one down bottom shops or up top?

Have a day off you clown.

You mate.. are full of shit.

Strong argument. Did they teach you that one down bottom shops or up top?

Have a day off you clown.

Or what fella?

You mate.. are full of shit.

Strong argument. Did they teach you that one down bottom shops or up top?

Have a day off you clown.

Or what fella?

Whatever you want

Still waiting for a response to my facts or are you going to try and sweep them under the carpet ?

Still waiting for a response to my facts or are you going to try and sweep them under the carpet ?

What facts? You haven't presented anything other than your usual incoherent uneducated ramblings.

Still waiting for a response to my facts or are you going to try and sweep them under the carpet ?

What facts? You haven't presented anything other than your usual incoherent uneducated ramblings.

Fact one: Plaid were in charge of transport
Fact two: they choose a more expensive cardiff to North wales air service over a cheaper cardiff to New York air service
Fact three: they choose to widen the safest end of the A465 heads of the valleys road when the most dangerous end was still killing people.

Facts

Still waiting for a response to my facts or are you going to try and sweep them under the carpet ?

What facts? You haven't presented anything other than your usual incoherent uneducated ramblings.

Fact one: Plaid were in charge of transport
Fact two: they choose a more expensive cardiff to North wales air service over a cheaper cardiff to New York air service
Fact three: they choose to widen the safest end of the A465 heads of the valleys road when the most dangerous end was still killing people.

Facts

The road doesn't kill anyone. Undue care and attention and dangerous driving does. If those roads kill people how come many drive through all the time with no problem?

Still waiting for a response to my facts or are you going to try and sweep them under the carpet ?

What facts? You haven't presented anything other than your usual incoherent uneducated ramblings.

Fact one: Plaid were in charge of transport
Fact two: they choose a more expensive cardiff to North wales air service over a cheaper cardiff to New York air service
Fact three: they choose to widen the safest end of the A465 heads of the valleys road when the most dangerous end was still killing people.

Facts

The road doesn't kill anyone. Undue care and attention and dangerous driving does. If those roads kill people how come many drive through all the time with no problem?

So you choose to ignore the lack of drainage on that road which causes cars to aquaplane then ? Why dont you tell the families of the dead of your opinion then ?

Also I see that you always refuse to comment about the more costly air service to North Wales over the New York service

So you choose to ignore the lack of drainage on that road which causes cars to aquaplane then ? Why dont you tell the families of the dead of your opinion then ?

Why don't you tell Leanne Wood and the other Plaid politicians that they, according to you, have blood on their hands? Oh wait, you won't cause you can't prove it and you're full of shit. You'd be sued for slander if you made such outrageous claims against an individual politicians. Notice how you always say 'Plaid Cymru' knowing you cant slander a political party.

You're a cowardly scumbag Adam. The truth is, people died on the roads either via accidents or the recklessness of others. You're trying to politicise the issue to have a pop at a political party. Can't say I'm surprised as far as you're concerned.

So you choose to ignore the lack of drainage on that road which causes cars to aquaplane then ? Why dont you tell the families of the dead of your opinion then ?

Why don't you tell Leanne Wood and the other Plaid politicians that they, according to you, have blood on their hands? Oh wait, you won't cause you can't prove it and you're full of shit. You'd be sued for slander if you made such outrageous claims against an individual politicians. Notice how you always say 'Plaid Cymru' knowing you cant slander a political party.

You're a cowardly scumbag Adam. The truth is, people died on the roads either via accidents or the recklessness of others. You're trying to politicise the issue to have a pop at a political party. Can't say I'm surprised as far as you're concerned.

I'm trying to politicise an issue!!! Have you actually read what you have wrote throughout this topic ?

Still haven't mentioned about the North Wales air route I see ? Blinkered that's why

I'm trying to politicise an issue!!! Have you actually read what you have wrote throughout this topic ?

A sensitive issue. You're trying to blame a political party for the issues caused by people's actions. The difference is with Labour, certain people turned a blind eye to the child abuse. Nobody has turned a blind eye to the situation you've brought up. Its all in your own head.

Still haven't mentioned about the North Wales air route I see ? Blinkered that's why

Couldn't care less about the matter, thats why.

I'm trying to politicise an issue!!! Have you actually read what you have wrote throughout this topic ?

A sensitive issue. You're trying to blame a political party for the issues caused by people's actions. The difference is with Labour, certain people turned a blind eye to the child abuse. Nobody has turned a blind eye to the situation you've brought up. Its all in your own head.

Still haven't mentioned about the North Wales air route I see ? Blinkered that's why

Couldn't care less about the matter, thats why.

I do blame Plaid because Plaid made the decision on te road. Fact!!
And you say you don't care then you obviously don't care about t what tax is spent on by Plaid or the welsh economy so your Plaid vision is absolutely flawed

I do blame Plaid because Plaid made the decision on te road. Fact!!

Daft. Dismissing individual responsibility is the logic of an idiot.

And you say you don't care then you obviously don't care about t what tax is spent on by Plaid or the welsh economy so your Plaid vision is absolutely flawed

What part of 'I AM IN FAVOUR OF POLITICAL REFORM WITHIN WALES' are you too thick to understand, Adam?

I do blame Plaid because Plaid made the decision on te road. Fact!!

Daft. Dismissing individual responsibility is the logic of an idiot.

And you say you don't care then you obviously don't care about t what tax is spent on by Plaid or the welsh economy so your Plaid vision is absolutely flawed

What part of 'I AM IN FAVOUR OF POLITICAL REFORM WITHIN WALES' are you too thick to understand, Adam?

In charge of transport and transport make terrible, murderous decisions. Plaid are to blame.

Plaid spend Welsh taxes on terible decisions. plaid are to blame!!!!

In charge of transport and transport make terrible, murderous decisions. Plaid are to blame.

Plaid spend Welsh taxes on terible decisions. plaid are to blame!!!!

If only the real world was as simple as you on a mental level Adam.

Protest vote in a General Election?
Your'e having a laugh.
If UKIP got in you wouldn't have another Election.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion but read the manifestos of the Parties then decide.
When you wake up on May 8th I just hope you are happy with who you have got.

At the moment the country is struggling but trust me make sure you know what
your'e voting for because it could get whole lot worse.

In charge of transport and transport make terrible, murderous decisions. Plaid are to blame.

Plaid spend Welsh taxes on terible decisions. plaid are to blame!!!!

If only the real world was as simple as you on a mental level Adam.

Now that's what annoys me about supporters of political parties and that's that they never apologise when they make mistakes.
Plaid have never apologised for the issues I stated above and Labour have never apologised for opening the doors to every Tom, Dick and Abdul!!!

In charge of transport and transport make terrible, murderous decisions. Plaid are to blame.

Plaid spend Welsh taxes on terible decisions. plaid are to blame!!!!

If only the real world was as simple as you on a mental level Adam.

You are hoping Wales become independent, on the basis of a few ideas with little foundation.

Risking 3 million peoples lives, essentially for the reason that you dislike England and the fact getting behind PC is flavour of the month like the SNP.

You're living in a dream world yourself.

As said before, vote for policies. Plaid are anti business. Plaid are also anti austerity. So there is your plan down the shitter of reducing corporation tax. Public spending must be funded and that would be via taxing the wealth creators as usual. Which would lead to less people being employed.

They are Greece in waiting.

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Plaid have never apologised for the issues I stated above and Labour have never apologised for opening the doors to every Tom, Dick and Abdul!!!

Plaid have nothing to apologise for. Labour do. Your beloved UKIP, if you're still a voter of them, do as well.

Plaid have never apologised for the issues I stated above and Labour have never apologised for opening the doors to every Tom, Dick and Abdul!!!

Plaid have nothing to apologise for. Labour do. Your beloved UKIP, if you're still a voter of them, do as well.

Murderers

You are hoping Wales become independent

Yes I am.

on the basis of a few ideas with little foundation.

No on the basis of destroying all of the anti-independence claims put forward. If Wales would be worse off independent, England would actively encourage it. They don't because the PPE students who make up Westminster know fully well of the risks of an independent Wales to the English economy.

Risking 3 million peoples lives, essentially for the reason that you dislike England and the fact getting behind PC is flavour of the month like the SNP.

Dislike England? I live in England now. I dislike how the Westminster elite totally neglect Wales and the north in favour of the London bubble. More conjecture from you.

You're living in a dream world yourself.

Ad hominem. Proves nothing.

As said before, vote for policies.

I do.

Plaid are anti business.

Do you have evidence to back this up? No......

Plaid are also anti austerity.

No. Plaid are anti austerity only for the poorest. Get things correct.

So there is your plan down the shitter of reducing corporation tax.

You don't seem to understand the current implementation of austerity.

Public spending must be funded and that would be via taxing the wealth creators as usual. Which would lead to less people being employed.

No it wouldn't. This is more scaremongering with no facts and I'd suspect any arguments put forward as a continuation of this debate would transparently show numerous fallacies.

They are Greece in waiting.

Scaremongering. The Welsh Nigel Farage.

Nothing better than two drunks having a ding dong.

Plaid would increase public spending.

How would that be funded?.

Plaid are a left wing party. The idea that they would reduce corporation tax and create a tax haven is completely against what they stand for and shows your are just altering their views to meet your own.

You aim for a self serving country and your main idea to boost industry is to introduce rampant capitalism.

Plaid would increase public spending.

How would that be funded?.

Plaid are a left wing party. The idea that they would reduce corporation tax and create a tax haven is completely against what they stand for and shows your are just altering their views to meet your own.

You aim for a self serving country and your main idea to boost industry is to introduce rampant capitalism.

Check out their manifesto.

I'm paraphrasing, but they wish to seek a new funding agreement, reform of barnett formula, devolution of taxation powers, power to lower corporation tax, and borrowing powers.

Plaid have never apologised for the issues I stated above and Labour have never apologised for opening the doors to every Tom, Dick and Abdul!!!

Plaid have nothing to apologise for. Labour do. Your beloved UKIP, if you're still a voter of them, do as well.

Murderers

That's just ridiculous. What about the people who work on the construction of roads where people end up getting killed? What about the people who design roads where people end up getting killed? What about other political parties who authorise the building of roads where people end up getting killed? What about people who makes cars which kill people when they crash? The list is endless. Are they all murderers? No, because you hate Plaid Cymru and always talk down the Welsh Government.

Plaid would increase public spending.

How would that be funded?.

Plaid are a left wing party. The idea that they would reduce corporation tax and create a tax haven is completely against what they stand for and shows your are just altering their views to meet your own.

You aim for a self serving country and your main idea to boost industry is to introduce rampant capitalism.

Check out their manifesto.

I'm paraphrasing, but they wish to seek a new funding agreement, reform of barnett formula, devolution of taxation powers, power to lower corporation tax, and borrowing powers.

Reform of the barnett forumla while being independent, how does that work.

Everything you've listed is not the independence that blueimaniti claims plaid want.

Plaid would increase public spending.

How would that be funded?.

Plaid are a left wing party. The idea that they would reduce corporation tax and create a tax haven is completely against what they stand for and shows your are just altering their views to meet your own.

You aim for a self serving country and your main idea to boost industry is to introduce rampant capitalism.

Check out their manifesto.

I'm paraphrasing, but they wish to seek a new funding agreement, reform of barnett formula, devolution of taxation powers, power to lower corporation tax, and borrowing powers.

But I would be behind voting for them if that was what they wanted, not a complete cut off from the union.

Vote for policies not personalities >>>

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Interesting thread and I broadly agree with the sentiment that the mainstream parties are mainly represented by out of touch career politicians who have no concept of how ordinary people think or live their lives.

On the subject of the views of ordinary people, many of these opinions are, undeniably, shaped by the media that we consume. Most notably 'The Sun' and 'Daily Mail' newspapers (joint daily circulation of just under 4 million copies). That's an awful lot of newspapers and an awful lot of reactionary, right wing rhetoric getting pumped into the minds of the population every day. The principal target for these newspapers rabid, screaming headlines are usually benefit 'scroungers,' immigrants and terrorists. Ever asked yourself why? Could it, by any chance, have anything to do with the super wealthy newspaper owners doing everything in their power to protect their vested interests, the established order and their mega rich mates?

So, whilst I think most people would agree that immigration needs to be sensibly managed, benefit fraud needs highlighting and we should, of course, all be vigilant about the threat from extremism, its important to keep things in perspective. It's also important to remember the ulterior motives of the right wing rags that play such a big part in forming peoples opinions.

Still not convinced?

Some stats for you - benefit fraud is estimated to cost the UK around £1.2billion pounds annually. A lot of money. The government employs over 3,000 people to investigate fraud of this nature.

Tax evasion and tax avoidance schemes cost the UK public purse...wait for it...anywhere between £30billion- £80billion annually.

Now that's a fuckin shedload of money.

If the avoidance loopholes were closed and if the penalties for evasion were more severe just think what an enormous difference that money would make to vital public services like health and education...If the government did it's job properly there would be no need to withhold cancer drugs, close A&E wards or under pay already over stretched NHS staff. Sadly, successive governments are terrified of upsetting their super rich mates and there are only 300 people employed by HMRC to chase down the mega wealthy fraudsters. That's less than a tenth of the number employed to track down benefits cheats despite the huge disparity between the costs of benefits fraud and the costs of tax evasion and avoidance!

I've also read in this thread that the UK should spend more on its military. Once again some stats: Little wind blown Britain, tucked away in the North Atlantic has the 5th highest military spend on the planet. We typically spend 2.5% of our GDP on our military (equivalent to approx $57billion US dollars annually). As a percentage of GDP that's more than triple the spend of countries like Norway, Sweden, Ireland and Switzerland. Ask yourself, are we, the general public, any safer for getting involved in conflicts in the Middle East? Or is the risk to British citizens far greater than it should be because good old blighty can't help but still get involved in international dick waving competitions in unstable, volatile countries that view our intervention as imperial?

I see from the poll set up by the opening poster that UKIP are viewed by the majority as the party whose views best represent them. Fair enough, but i personally reckon Farage (and without their charismatic leader they are nothing) has skilfully pulled off the smartest act of smoke and mirrors since Paul Daniels was able to bag Debbie McGhee. Just when did a bunch of middle aged, middle class, right wing reactionaries from the shires manage to convince the general population that they were actually anti establishment? If it wasn't just a little bit scary it would actually be hilarious. Sure, Farage is great with the media and even better at spunking out populist soundbites that 'The Sun' and 'Mail' eagerly lap up but it's all bollocks really chaps. Farage was a free market Thatcherite who found that the Tory party (he was a former member) just wasn't right wing enough for him.

Enough said.

The divide between the wealthiest 1% and us, the 99% is getting wider and wider. I'm, personally, not interested in the politics of envy and I'm no believer in a socialist utopia but I do believe in fairness and I think that the British people are being royally led up the garden path by an agenda driven mainstream media. I also think that there needs to be a big shake up of the main political parties who exist, primarily to protect the status quo and the mega corporations that are becoming more and more powerful and influential.

It's time for a change

Whoever vote Plaid needs a brain transplant.

We are substadised for one and tell me where our tax contributions will come from for our armed forces or NHS.
North Wales and most of the valleys have some of the most deprived areas of Europe.

tell me why will jobs come to those areas just because we are going it alone ?

Sell water to England then they will just make more and bigger reservoirs.

Plaid Cymru the party that will ram the Welsh language down your throat

It’s an amusing irony for Welsh speakers, that one of the main complaints heard about the language is that it is ‘shoved down people’s throats’. I’m not quite sure why it’s always the throat – given that the ears and eyes are the usual point of entry for any auditory or visual stimuli – but still this complaint persists.

No one has ever been forced to learn Welsh – at least, not this side of the 13th century. Many people do find themselves put under huge pressure to learn languages every day – usually indigenous people who suddenly find themselves encroaching upon the ever expanding territory of dominant languages such as English, Spanish, and Chinese. But while people who speak Welsh have always welcomed and encouraged anyone who moves to a Welsh speaking area to learn their language, it’s only ever been a suggestion. We’ve never tied anyone to a rack, or even tickled their feet.

And, let’s face it, if people who moved to Welsh speaking areas really were ‘forced’ to speak Welsh, the language would be in much better nick that it is at the moment.

What people actually mean when they say the language is ‘forced down their throat’ is that – God forbid! – they occasionally see the language written on signs, or once had to turn a letter over because it was written in Welsh on one side.

What they don’t seem to appreciate is that there are a lot of people out there who do live their lives in Welsh from day to day. And by wanting to get rid of any visible signs of the Welsh language they’re actually threatening to do what they themselves are complaining about – which is force a language choice on other people.