More people should vote Plaid Cymru

Look, all governments make bad decisions. None worse than Westminster, but given the fact that they have had to endure huge cuts to their budget and they have virtually no economic levers to use I think the Welsh Government have made more good decisions than bad ones. Personally I believe that Plaid Cymru are more in touch with Welsh people than the other parties in Wales simply because the other parties all have to answer to their London HQs whereas Plaid are only answerable to the people of Wales. Lots of people say that Leanne Wood is too lightweight, and to be honest she probably isn't as clever or fluent as Cameron and Clegg, but if you listen to her she is passionate about Wales and is clever enough to do a good job for us. When I look at her compared to the likes of Cameron and Osborne I know who I would rather trust when it comes to making judgement calls on Wales. I feel that I can identify with her. To put it simply I see her as one of us and not one of them. Plaid are not perfect, no party is, but unlike many people I have taken the time to read their detailed policies on their website and in general I like them and believe they would be good for Wales. The London based parties are all hand in hand with big business and the banks who are all driven by greed. The bankers fucked up on a scale that is hard to imagine and created such a huge mess that it will takes many years to recover. The Government's reaction was to bail out the banks to the tune of hundreds of billions of pounds. Would they have done that for the NHS or the farmers? Like f**k! The very people who created the mess through their greed are still picking up huge financial bonuses whereas the people who have picked up the tab are the poorest in society who have been conned by this noble concept of austerity where we are all supposed to be in this together and just roll our sleeves up and get on with it. Where is the morality in that? How can anyone ever trust these London based parties to do their best for the working classes? I don't know if you saw the Panorama programme recently on the super rich. It was quite frankly sickening how the big financial corporations deliberately created the conditions that led to the crash and resulted in middle and lower class people becoming considerably worse off while the super rich actually became even richer. Some people knock Wales for the sake of it and like to slag off the Welsh Government without even bothering to look into the facts, but Wales is our country and one thing is for sure, no one else is going to make things better for us. History will tell you that. We all need to have a bit of positivity and believe that we are as good as anyone else and strive for a society based on fairness and equality. [/quote]

I have looked in detail at the PC website and very little of it actually resonates with me, even the abbreviation of the party now makes sense. For me there is no one party that fits with me but it would probably by a hybrid of UKIP and Cons. Labour, Lib Dems & the greens are lacking any credibility. I am for any party that fundamentally believes in smaller governments and Plaid Cymru doesn't think in this way.[/quote]

So you want more austerity for something that wasn't your fault

Plaid Cymru to bring back the Stone Age era

Plaid Cymru to bring back the Stone Age era

Seriously? That's all you can offer?

Plaid Cymru to bring back the Stone Age era

Nah I think we'd be more like an eastern european country. (No offence to any Eastern Europeans)

I was open to voting for Plaid.

Blueminati has turned me off.

Lot's of the anti-Plaid posts on here are based on total ignorance.

Have a look at this...I dare you...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... u-05032015

Worth a read

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ar_twitter

Lot's of the anti-Plaid posts on here are based on total ignorance.

Have a look at this...I dare you...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... u-05032015

You dared me so I did, These are the points which resonated with me, being pro business and cutting rates. What cancelled that out was the thinly veiled - we will stop austerity and grow the public sector.

I would not even consider voting for them, they try and use this nationalist idea that we are left behind in comparison the Scotland and northern Ireland, i am glad to keep our heads down when the WAG is off doing some stupid shit and being a net drain on the UK economy.

Look, all governments make bad decisions. None worse than Westminster, but given the fact that they have had to endure huge cuts to their budget and they have virtually no economic levers to use I think the Welsh Government have made more good decisions than bad ones. Personally I believe that Plaid Cymru are more in touch with Welsh people than the other parties in Wales simply because the other parties all have to answer to their London HQs whereas Plaid are only answerable to the people of Wales. Lots of people say that Leanne Wood is too lightweight, and to be honest she probably isn't as clever or fluent as Cameron and Clegg, but if you listen to her she is passionate about Wales and is clever enough to do a good job for us. When I look at her compared to the likes of Cameron and Osborne I know who I would rather trust when it comes to making judgement calls on Wales. I feel that I can identify with her. To put it simply I see her as one of us and not one of them. Plaid are not perfect, no party is, but unlike many people I have taken the time to read their detailed policies on their website and in general I like them and believe they would be good for Wales. The London based parties are all hand in hand with big business and the banks who are all driven by greed. The bankers fucked up on a scale that is hard to imagine and created such a huge mess that it will takes many years to recover. The Government's reaction was to bail out the banks to the tune of hundreds of billions of pounds. Would they have done that for the NHS or the farmers? Like f**k! The very people who created the mess through their greed are still picking up huge financial bonuses whereas the people who have picked up the tab are the poorest in society who have been conned by this noble concept of austerity where we are all supposed to be in this together and just roll our sleeves up and get on with it. Where is the morality in that? How can anyone ever trust these London based parties to do their best for the working classes? I don't know if you saw the Panorama programme recently on the super rich. It was quite frankly sickening how the big financial corporations deliberately created the conditions that led to the crash and resulted in middle and lower class people becoming considerably worse off while the super rich actually became even richer. Some people knock Wales for the sake of it and like to slag off the Welsh Government without even bothering to look into the facts, but Wales is our country and one thing is for sure, no one else is going to make things better for us. History will tell you that. We all need to have a bit of positivity and believe that we are as good as anyone else and strive for a society based on fairness and equality.

I have looked in detail at the PC website and very little of it actually resonates with me, even the abbreviation of the party now makes sense. For me there is no one party that fits with me but it would probably by a hybrid of UKIP and Cons. Labour, Lib Dems & the greens are lacking any credibility. I am for any party that fundamentally believes in smaller governments and Plaid Cymru doesn't think in this way.[/quote]

So you want more austerity for something that wasn't your fault [/quote]

I have never found finger pointing particularly useful and saying the bankers were the only people to fucked it up is a bit naive, successive governments have been buying votes by overspending, at some point when reality bites we have to pay it back whether we like it or not

Any party that won't renew Trident will never get my vote.

Any party that won't renew Trident will never get my vote.

I was thinking that last night while watching Question Time. These fools want to take away our defence right at a time when its f*cking needed!!!

Any party that won't renew Trident will never get my vote.

I was thinking that last night while watching Question Time. These fools want to take away our defence right at a time when its f*cking needed!!!

One of the things that stops us getting a lot more hassle than we currently are getting is Trident.

I can't stand Leanne Wood. The fact that she coldly dismissed the Queen as 'Mrs Windsor' tells me everything I need to know about Leanne Wood's outlook on society in Wales and the UK...

Wales would be much richer as an independent country and as a member of the EU. Eventually, this will happen anyway as England will eventually leave the EU and Wales will want to stay in it to receive EU funding. Wales should work towards making the Welsh language the official language, English and German/French as the business and international languages and move towards us becoming us embracing who we truly are and being a proud member of the EU block.

Also, Wales as an independent country could hurt England by doing what Ireland have done and lowering corporation tax seeking investment. Why would a company invest in London when they can invest in the South Wales area, roughly 2 hours away and pay less tax? The reality is England knows this is the case, well certainly those in Westminster do, so they continue to try and tell us we need them when in reality they fear us going it alone.

Wales would eventually become strong as hell as an independent country. Its not a massive country with an out of control population. The majority of economic activity is concentrated in the South and it has a vast amount of land available for companies to invest and build. On top of that, land is genuinely cheaper, tax rates could be much more competitive, we could ensure the NHS stays the NHS and we can ensure that the youth of today are given opportunities in manufacturing and other sectors rather than being continuously forced into the service sector by an out of touch economic model centred around London.

In conclusion, many continue to perpetuate the myth that Wales as an independent country and member of the EU (cue the pedants who'll say Wales as an EU member isn't an independent country - you know what I mean) are still suffering from a colonial mindset being fed lies by self serving elites in Westminster who love nothing more than to serve themselves at the expense of the electorate. The EU and the wider modern world has shown through globalisation that small countries with well managed economies can thrive. An economic revolution could occur in Wales if it went alone as well just as has happened in much of the wider world.

Wales also has a vastly superior landscape which is much more desirable. Millionaires could eventually live between mountains in highly sought valley areas whereas England is mostly an urban concrete jungle and to many that is totally unappealing. Then you have hidden gems like Barafundle Bay and other wonderful beaches along the coast, the possibility of further economic trade with Ireland on the west coast and a possible boost in tourism with the right investment could also increase revenue for both countries.

Vote for Wales. Vote for Plaid Cymru.

More people should grow up and vote Communist Socialist Worker instead! Stop the rich greedy twats running roughshod over your life. And theres enough of these twats in Wales as well as England! Take the blinkers off, seize the day and ensure the future lies in the domain of the common man!

Welsh language.... No econmic benefit, what percentage speak Welsh in the south.... Cost of bilingual signs, documents is astronomic... You speak to the ambulance service and they play you a recorded message in Welsh before repeating it in English even when someone is critically ill, bonkers stuff!

Economics, the Welsh economy is built on the services sector, low paid jobs that equal low tax incomes, that equals not enough cash for local government and nhs. Now you suggest a lot of changes to attract business, even if that worked by the time that happens and a massive manufacturing organisation decides to build a facility in the middle of deepest darkest Wales (it takes about six hours to drive to Anglesey you twirp), we'll either be insolvent as a nation or.... Have a massive debt... The next Greece. Ireland have done well with this model... Not, massive incentives to companies who are now reshoring leaving after taking the subsidies on offer.

I sat next to a Plaid AM on the train from London a few weeks back, I've never heard so much drivel in all my born days! We can make Wales great, we can create the Welsh Silicon Valley - Silicon Valley is surrounded by three or four of the top Universities in the world you silly b*stard.

IMO Plaid are driven by this obsession with speaking Welsh and at the heart Independence for Wales based on a foundation of sand.

For me you have to look at the party leaders when voting, who is the most qualified and who would you trust not to drive us down the pan even if it's not pleasing everyone. For me the person in charge should not be trying to win a popularity contest as that can drive you to make the wrong decision, ah but that is what politics is about crazy system.

Worth a read

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ar_twitter

bluGog, says it all. So you would trust Leanne to run our country with virtually zero income?

Welsh language.... No econmic benefit, what percentage speak Welsh in the south.... Cost of bilingual signs, documents is astronomic... You speak to the ambulance service and they play you a recorded message in Welsh before repeating it in English even when someone is critically ill, bonkers stuff!

Economics, the Welsh economy is built on the services sector, low paid jobs that equal low tax incomes, that equals not enough cash for local government and nhs. Now you suggest a lot of changes to attract business, even if that worked by the time that happens and a massive manufacturing organisation decides to build a facility in the middle of deepest darkest Wales (it takes about six hours to drive to Anglesey you twirp), we'll either be insolvent as a nation or.... Have a massive debt... The next Greece. Ireland have done well with this model... Not, massive incentives to companies who are now reshoring leaving after taking the subsidies on offer.

I sat next to a Plaid AM on the train from London a few weeks back, I've never heard so much drivel in all my born days! We can make Wales great, we can create the Welsh Silicon Valley - Silicon Valley is surrounded by three or four of the top Universities in the world you silly b*stard.

IMO Plaid are driven by this obsession with speaking Welsh and at the heart Independence for Wales based on a foundation of sand.

Not sure why you want to bring the language into this discussion? But, as you raised it, more people speak Welsh in Cardiff than in Gwynedd, fact.
You also mention that it takes 6 hours to drive from Anglesey, true, but all that tells you is the massive under investment in the transport system in Wales by successive Westminster governments. It's getting better since the Assembly took over but there's a hell of a lot of work to be done. Name me another european country where there isn't a north south rail link?

What percentage of people speak welsh, could you list the benefits, outside of "culture"?

Could you list the infrastructure improvements made by the assembly and those proposed by Plaid?

Could you estimate the costs of building a proper infrastructure throughout Wales... I'll give you a clue have a look at the costs of HS2.

Once you've done that, tell me where the income is coming from to pay for all these improvements?

What percentage of people speak welsh, could you list the benefits, outside of "culture"?

Could you list the infrastructure improvements made by the assembly and those proposed by Plaid?

Could you estimate the costs of building a proper infrastructure throughout Wales... I'll give you a clue have a look at the costs of HS2.

Once you've done that, tell me where the income is coming from to pay for all these improvements?

Percentage of Welsh speakers is 20% closer to 27% in Cardiff. Benefits include tourism, probably the biggest industry in most areas of Wales.

Huge improvements to the infrastructure have been made M4 improvement, A470, A55 electrification of valley lines, new relief road for M4 to come etc.

The cost I agree would be huge I agree. The Basque region in Spain took advantage of European grants to improve their infrastructure. The money was available to us, but because the then Labour government in London refused to match fund the money we could not take advantage of it. We a suffering from years of underinvestment all our roads lead out of Wales...

How can anyone possibly support a British state that has totally failed this country? We have provided coal and iron to fuel their bloody Empire and now, like a colony, most people have nothing. The alternative to breaking Britain is more of the same. In the referendum campaign in Scotland many working class there realised this for the first time. But, like Bluebirds grovelling to Tan, we still have no self-belief here.

And that is the saddest thing.

Ukip the best out of a rotten lot

That would be the last party I would vote for along with labour. Why does the welsh language get rammed down our throat.
Apparently it costs the welsh assembly hundreds of thousands of pounds a year to translate documents from English to welsh.
As for labour supporting benefit scroungers which are funded by us hard working people......
I rest my case.

It’s an amusing irony for Welsh speakers, that one of the main complaints heard about the language is that it is ‘shoved down people’s throats’. I’m not quite sure why it’s always the throat – given that the ears and eyes are the usual point of entry for any auditory or visual stimuli – but still this complaint persists.

No one has ever been forced to learn Welsh – at least, not this side of the 13th century. Many people do find themselves put under huge pressure to learn languages every day – usually indigenous people who suddenly find themselves encroaching upon the ever expanding territory of dominant languages such as English, Spanish, and Chinese. But while people who speak Welsh have always welcomed and encouraged anyone who moves to a Welsh speaking area to learn their language, it’s only ever been a suggestion. We’ve never tied anyone to a rack, or even tickled their feet.

And, let’s face it, if people who moved to Welsh speaking areas really were ‘forced’ to speak Welsh, the language would be in much better nick that it is at the moment.

What people actually mean when they say the language is ‘forced down their throat’ is that – God forbid! – they occasionally see the language written on signs, or once had to turn a letter over because it was written in Welsh on one side.

What they don’t seem to appreciate is that there are a lot of people out there who do live their lives in Welsh from day to day. And by wanting to get rid of any visible signs of the Welsh language they’re actually threatening to do what they themselves are complaining about – which is force a language choice on other people.

Worth a read

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ar_twitter

bluGog, says it all. So you would trust Leanne to run our country with virtually zero income?

I wouldnt mind giving her one though, at the risk of being a tad sexist!

Wales would be much richer as an independent country and as a member of the EU. Eventually, this will happen anyway as England will eventually leave the EU and Wales will want to stay in it to receive EU funding. Wales should work towards making the Welsh language the official language, English and German/French as the business and international languages and move towards us becoming us embracing who we truly are and being a proud member of the EU block.

Also, Wales as an independent country could hurt England by doing what Ireland have done and lowering corporation tax seeking investment. Why would a company invest in London when they can invest in the South Wales area, roughly 2 hours away and pay less tax? The reality is England knows this is the case, well certainly those in Westminster do, so they continue to try and tell us we need them when in reality they fear us going it alone.

Wales would eventually become strong as hell as an independent country. Its not a massive country with an out of control population. The majority of economic activity is concentrated in the South and it has a vast amount of land available for companies to invest and build. On top of that, land is genuinely cheaper, tax rates could be much more competitive, we could ensure the NHS stays the NHS and we can ensure that the youth of today are given opportunities in manufacturing and other sectors rather than being continuously forced into the service sector by an out of touch economic model centred around London.

In conclusion, many continue to perpetuate the myth that Wales as an independent country and member of the EU (cue the pedants who'll say Wales as an EU member isn't an independent country - you know what I mean) are still suffering from a colonial mindset being fed lies by self serving elites in Westminster who love nothing more than to serve themselves at the expense of the electorate. The EU and the wider modern world has shown through globalisation that small countries with well managed economies can thrive. An economic revolution could occur in Wales if it went alone as well just as has happened in much of the wider world.

Wales also has a vastly superior landscape which is much more desirable. Millionaires could eventually live between mountains in highly sought valley areas whereas England is mostly an urban concrete jungle and to many that is totally unappealing. Then you have hidden gems like Barafundle Bay and other wonderful beaches along the coast, the possibility of further economic trade with Ireland on the west coast and a possible boost in tourism with the right investment could also increase revenue for both countries.

Vote for Wales. Vote for Plaid Cymru.

After reading that sh*t I think I'd vote for Al Queida before I voted for Plaid Cymru..

So you're an Al-Qaeda sympathiser?

Plaid Cymru to bring back the Stone Age era

Do you even know how ridiculous you sound?

Welsh language.... No econmic benefit, what percentage speak Welsh in the south.... Cost of bilingual signs, documents is astronomic... You speak to the ambulance service and they play you a recorded message in Welsh before repeating it in English even when someone is critically ill, bonkers stuff!

Economics, the Welsh economy is built on the services sector, low paid jobs that equal low tax incomes, that equals not enough cash for local government and nhs. Now you suggest a lot of changes to attract business, even if that worked by the time that happens and a massive manufacturing organisation decides to build a facility in the middle of deepest darkest Wales (it takes about six hours to drive to Anglesey you twirp), we'll either be insolvent as a nation or.... Have a massive debt... The next Greece. Ireland have done well with this model... Not, massive incentives to companies who are now reshoring leaving after taking the subsidies on offer.

I sat next to a Plaid AM on the train from London a few weeks back, I've never heard so much drivel in all my born days! We can make Wales great, we can create the Welsh Silicon Valley - Silicon Valley is surrounded by three or four of the top Universities in the world you silly b*stard.

IMO Plaid are driven by this obsession with speaking Welsh and at the heart Independence for Wales based on a foundation of sand.

Another bigoted, ignorant and misinformed monoglot.

Welsh language.... No econmic benefit, what percentage speak Welsh in the south.... Cost of bilingual signs, documents is astronomic... You speak to the ambulance service and they play you a recorded message in Welsh before repeating it in English even when someone is critically ill, bonkers stuff!

Economics, the Welsh economy is built on the services sector, low paid jobs that equal low tax incomes, that equals not enough cash for local government and nhs. Now you suggest a lot of changes to attract business, even if that worked by the time that happens and a massive manufacturing organisation decides to build a facility in the middle of deepest darkest Wales (it takes about six hours to drive to Anglesey you twirp), we'll either be insolvent as a nation or.... Have a massive debt... The next Greece. Ireland have done well with this model... Not, massive incentives to companies who are now reshoring leaving after taking the subsidies on offer.

I sat next to a Plaid AM on the train from London a few weeks back, I've never heard so much drivel in all my born days! We can make Wales great, we can create the Welsh Silicon Valley - Silicon Valley is surrounded by three or four of the top Universities in the world you silly b*stard.

IMO Plaid are driven by this obsession with speaking Welsh and at the heart Independence for Wales based on a foundation of sand.

Your name must be satire because for someone named Einstein you don't half talk a load of crap.

Welsh language.... No econmic benefit, what percentage speak Welsh in the south.... Cost of bilingual signs, documents is astronomic... You speak to the ambulance service and they play you a recorded message in Welsh before repeating it in English even when someone is critically ill, bonkers stuff!

Economics, the Welsh economy is built on the services sector, low paid jobs that equal low tax incomes, that equals not enough cash for local government and nhs. Now you suggest a lot of changes to attract business, even if that worked by the time that happens and a massive manufacturing organisation decides to build a facility in the middle of deepest darkest Wales (it takes about six hours to drive to Anglesey you twirp), we'll either be insolvent as a nation or.... Have a massive debt... The next Greece. Ireland have done well with this model... Not, massive incentives to companies who are now reshoring leaving after taking the subsidies on offer.

I sat next to a Plaid AM on the train from London a few weeks back, I've never heard so much drivel in all my born days! We can make Wales great, we can create the Welsh Silicon Valley - Silicon Valley is surrounded by three or four of the top Universities in the world you silly b*stard.

IMO Plaid are driven by this obsession with speaking Welsh and at the heart Independence for Wales based on a foundation of sand.

Another bigoted, ignorant and misinformed monoglot.

OK nice big words you must be educated let's bow to your greater wisdom.

What would your policies be apart from the language... And as for being ignorant, I was forced to learn Welsh in Secondary school. Forced as in no choice!

If people want to live with the Welsh language then that's perfectly fine, if PC get their way we all will.

As for being a monoglot, I speak German and Arabic, two languages I use every day in business to secure trade and jobs for our local economy.

By the way "bigoted" - having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others - Reread your post

Welsh language.... No econmic benefit, what percentage speak Welsh in the south.... Cost of bilingual signs, documents is astronomic... You speak to the ambulance service and they play you a recorded message in Welsh before repeating it in English even when someone is critically ill, bonkers stuff!

Economics, the Welsh economy is built on the services sector, low paid jobs that equal low tax incomes, that equals not enough cash for local government and nhs. Now you suggest a lot of changes to attract business, even if that worked by the time that happens and a massive manufacturing organisation decides to build a facility in the middle of deepest darkest Wales (it takes about six hours to drive to Anglesey you twirp), we'll either be insolvent as a nation or.... Have a massive debt... The next Greece. Ireland have done well with this model... Not, massive incentives to companies who are now reshoring leaving after taking the subsidies on offer.

I sat next to a Plaid AM on the train from London a few weeks back, I've never heard so much drivel in all my born days! We can make Wales great, we can create the Welsh Silicon Valley - Silicon Valley is surrounded by three or four of the top Universities in the world you silly b*stard.

IMO Plaid are driven by this obsession with speaking Welsh and at the heart Independence for Wales based on a foundation of sand.

Your name must be satire because for someone named Einstein you don't half talk a load of crap.

No counter argument just, you're talking crap and I'm taking my ball home