Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:50 pm
blueminati wrote:SwampCCFC wrote:withdrawing from the EU certainly constitutes 'real change'. the other 3 mainstream parties are very similar but UKIP are different.
Withdrawing from the EU is idiotic. People like Farage hate the thought of the EU because it's not favourable to his mates in the City. If you think its going to have any major impact on your life then you're deluded. Immigrants will still be let in on VISA's and permits and economic competition will be ever present. If anything, withdrawal from the EU will just lead to Brits having less opportunities abroad on a working/middle class level. The working/middle class won't benefit at all from the UK withdrawing from the EU no matter what Farage tells you. He's just telling you what you want to hear (populism) so his party gains votes.
Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:55 pm
blueminati wrote:llan bluebird wrote:China is the only country to offset the yanks....
The European Superstate will never happen.
We pull out the EU fails. The Germans with their centre left but pro business and profit loses its biggest Ally. They will be left with southern Euro lazy states. They want reforms as much as we do, many middle income Germans want out as well... Why should they fund the project.
Germany will want to fund it because economic control of a country means they are at your mercy. If the UK pulls out the EU does not fail at all.
Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:59 pm
SwampCCFC wrote:
it will make it more difficult for unskilled EU migrants to get work in the UK, meaning that its much easier for unskilled UK workers to find work as there is less competition for them.
it also means you can get rid of romanian big issue sellers and criminals more easily.
by the way, being in the EU is great for big businesses, in the form of an almost unlimited supply of cheap labour to exploit, thats why most big businesses back staying in the EU. they will be horrified at finally having to pay a decent wage to hard working people instead of the pittance they can get away with paying at the moment as there is always an EU migrant who will happily take the work.
Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:00 pm
SwampCCFC wrote:the second highest economy leaving the EU doesn't matter? its a hammer blow to the credibility of the EU, not to mention the multi billions they will lose as the UK gives more money than it receives back from the EU.
if the UK leaves, others will follow. the EU are desperate for the UK to stay and with good reason, their jobs depend on it.
Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:07 pm
blueminati wrote:SwampCCFC wrote:
it will make it more difficult for unskilled EU migrants to get work in the UK, meaning that its much easier for unskilled UK workers to find work as there is less competition for them.
it also means you can get rid of romanian big issue sellers and criminals more easily.
by the way, being in the EU is great for big businesses, in the form of an almost unlimited supply of cheap labour to exploit, thats why most big businesses back staying in the EU. they will be horrified at finally having to pay a decent wage to hard working people instead of the pittance they can get away with paying at the moment as there is always an EU migrant who will happily take the work.
All of this will still happen if the UK is outside of the EU. The UK is not going to leave the EEA so thats a non starter. If the UK leaves the EU it'll be to cut political ties, not for any major economic advantage. The UK economy is growing. Politicians are sly and deceitful, not stupid. All those cheap migrants will still come into the country on work permits or temporary holiday VISA's.
Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:13 pm
SwampCCFC wrote:work permits that the UK government has direct control over who they issue them to. once you leave the EU there is no faceless bureaucrat telling you what you can and can't do.
https://euobserver.com/news/127619
Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:12 pm
Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:15 pm
kenbarlow wrote:Colourblind wrote:I'm backing UKIP. At least they'll find me a pub where I can have a fag and a pint. And maybe stop more pubs closing down.
Good to see you're looking at whats really important.
Farage is a total bullshitter who will take this country back to the dark ages
Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:15 pm