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I'm over simplifying things by saying religion isn't the root cause of people murdering that there are other attributes and factors, many of which are far more important?

Then you say I'm saying it has nothing to do with religion?

I get it now, you're just making it up as you go along. If you want to just straw man my argument, make stuff up that I haven't said and moan that you can't be racist to white people carry on But I can't be assed with unrelated examples and big chunks of text that have no value at all, I spoon fed you last time that and you ignored it. Fingers in your ears all the way.

Your argument:

Islam CAUSES people to be violent

Rebuttal

Yaya Toure is a Muslim

Your rersponse

*fingers in ears*

Continued:

Lawson Bathily is a hero and a Muslim, how does that compute?

*fingers in ears*

Buy bye

I'm over simplifying things by saying religion isn't the root cause of people murdering that there are other attributes and factors, many of which are far more important?

Then you say I'm saying it has nothing to do with religion?

I get it now, you're just making it up as you go along. If you want to just straw man my argument, make stuff up that I haven't said and moan that you can't be racist to white people carry on But I can't be assed with unrelated examples and big chunks of text that have no value at all, I spoon fed you last time that and you ignored it. Fingers in your ears all the way.

Your argument:

Islam CAUSES people to be violent

Rebuttal

Yaya Toure is a Muslim

Your rersponse

*fingers in ears*

Continued:

Lawson Bathily is a hero and a Muslim, how does that compute?

*fingers in ears*

Buy bye

Islam obviously IS causing (some)people to be violent, they actually CLAIM to be killing in the name of Islam
you nincompoop. Would you like to take your ridiculous lefty ideas over to ISIS and say they are not
killing in the name of their religion? YES, its their interpretation,

Islam (quite obviously) is not causing ALL people to be violent, and if you can find a quote where I
even suggest that - bring it on. So on that pretext, Yaya Toure and Lawson Bathily can be heroes.
My ABSOLUTE hero in life happens to be a Muslim, Muhammad Ali, so thats you nailed again.

Again, you have stated it two or three times that you cannot be racist to white people?
Are you now saying you dont mean it~? or mean something else? Or just cant come up
with a reasonable defence for your claim.

Of course you said bye bye. thats what the lefties do when they get hit back with intelligent
answers

And it's pointless? Meaningless? A waste of time?

White people get scared so easily.

and what makes you think i'm white and also why are you making sweeping generalisations about a particular race? you're racist.

You can't be racist to white people lol.

Cowards pick on individuals like the pricks that killed Lee Rigby. But it has little to do with faith, just an easy way to white wash and justify a prejudice.

"you cant be racist to white people" Pretty frightening comment, that anyone could think such a thing no matter
how many ''lol's'' you put at the end of it. The ignorance of that is staggering. It sends me back to the Kris Donald
murder in Glasgow, a 15 yr old white boy just walking to the shops. Kidnapped at gunpoint by pakistanis who had
been heard earlier saying "we're going to kill ourselves a white boy" they then tortured him and burnt him alive.
If thats not racist against white people what the hell is?

As for Lee Rigbys murder having nothing to do with faith? The Radical cunts follow a cult called 'Bukhari' - he wrote
a Hadith. A Hadith is NOT the word of God, its not even the word of the Prophet in many instances. It is a written
account by someone else about what someone else said Mohammed said. Bukhari writes verses like:

"Ibn Al Binbag said how Aisha told him the Prophet said kill the unbelievers"

Thats FOURTH hand information

There is a growing group of Islamic scholars called Q'uranists who believe ALL the Hadiths are blasphemous
and anyone looking at Islam rationally would say if you believe in the Q'uran, the perfect book. you CANNOT
believe in the Hadiths. These peopl have got it spot on. Its common sense

So for you to say this shit going round is nothing to do with faith is pretty weak. Its all to do with faith.

You Sir, are not only talking shite, but you are an apologist for all thats wrong with Islam and basically, there
is a hell of a lot wrong. Sunni's dont kill Shi'as because of something they read in the Q'uran, they kill them
because both sects/cults believe different Hadiths and reject other ones.

"cant be racist against white people" - thats you wide open and exposed. You got something against
white people. You might even be white, that would not surprise me. Clueless lefty or backward radical
would be my guess

"white people are afraid" so are black and Asian people you disgusting human being. So are many innocent
Muslims

Yes people have said they kill in the name of Islam, so what about all the nut jobs that have killed in the name of christianity and catholicism? Does the events in Northern Island and the UK from only a decade or so ago not count? Bombing UK streets and killing people in the name of a more western religion doesn't count then I guess.

Every religion has nut jobs. Look at the USA, how many School shooting have they had in recent years? Those are white people killing children yet they are classed as just being ill, despite the fact that a good handful are Christian.

So many people say they don't see muslims condemning the extremists.....I see them condemning them everyday! The ones I know personally, really struggle because they are being constantly berated by 'white' people for not condemning it. Does every white person condemn every murder that happens everyday? No they don't. Yet because a nut job decides to kill and happens to be brown people slate them.

Have a thought for the Muslim girls trying to get an education and yet extremists are killing them for it in their own country.....for wanting to go to school.

Food for thought for all Cardiff fans....you know our own MC is a muslim don't you?

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that norweigen nutter acted alone.these muslim terrorist act in groups.surely that should tell you something?even hizbollah and hamas condemd paris.if these loon balls think its bad thats saying something!saying ;you cant be racist to white people' that is a quite chilling statement.believe it or not 80% or more are still white in the u.k .does that mean whatever happens to the vast majority it is ok?when radical muslims target white girls so they dont soil their own girls before marriage is that not racism?some of the most dangerous people in the uk atm are white people.white people who are that strung up on 'multiculturalism' that they wont exspose 'rotherham' because it will smash the myth once and for all.there is no such thing as 'multicuturalism'.the uk may be multi religeon but not multicultural.britain has a common culture in general.if people 'fuse' bits of native culture with bits of culture that has come from immigrants then that is ok because it has evolved to it.these radicals want to force their culture on to the inhabitants of the uk.why is it that seiks,christians hindu,s ,jews budhists and everyone else can seem to find a path which is wide enough in the uk to walk down together but these radical muslims cannot?white people defending radical islam is crazy.these fellows will kill any 'infidel' in their way come the day.

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Oh Taffy you crack me up. Good on about Ali though Hopefully get some good news on his health in the near future, legend.

Does baffle me that you think Islam can taint and not taint people. Imagine I had a drug that caused mind control yet only worked 0.4% of the time. I'd seriously question the efficiency of the drug. I'd be looking to see if confounding factors might be the reason. Same with Islam.

As for the racist against white people thing. Like I say I'm not going to teach you something you're just going to ignore anyway (like you've done with anything else) you have google, go look it up. But I'll end with a good start down that path. A favourite quote Of mine from Muhammad Ali:

"No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali#Quotes

Yes people have said they kill in the name of Islam, so what about all the nut jobs that have killed in the name of christianity and catholicism? Does the events in Northern Island and the UK from only a decade or so ago not count? Bombing UK streets and killing people in the name of a more western religion doesn't count then I guess.

You try to make it look like there is the odd nutty Muslim going around killing for Allah. We are talking tens of
if not hundreds of thousands are we not? All chanting Allah O Akhbar, all highly trained, all highly motivated.
In Iraq, In Syria, In Nigeria, In Yemen, In Sudan and now more and more coming back from these places to
cause havoc in Europe. The religious aspect in Northern Ireland was incidental. It was the Irish REPUBLICAN
Army against forces loyal to the English Crown




Every religion has nut jobs. Look at the USA, how many School shooting have they had in recent years? Those are white people killing children yet they are classed as just being ill, despite the fact that a good handful are Christian.

Why are you mentioning colour again? There can be NO comparison to an individual acting alone shooting innocent
people, not unless these individuals are reciting passages from the Christian bible eh? Unless these particular nutters
are doing it in the name of religion? and wheres the evidence? Its a totally different thing to people who are part of a
organised, deadly, determined group with a set, strategic aim...to make everyone bow down to Islam


So many people say they don't see muslims condemning the extremists.....I see them condemning them everyday! The ones I know personally, really struggle because they are being constantly berated by 'white' people for not condemning it. Does every white person condemn every murder that happens everyday? No they don't. Yet because a nut job decides to kill and happens to be brown people slate them.

Yet again, you keep referring to colour? Are you seriously suggesting the Paris murderers, 9/11 bombers, 7/7 bombers
ISIS, Boko Harem are just ''some nutters'' and people are only having a go at them because they are brown. Condemning
these groups with words counts for nothing. The good Muslims of the UK need to start being as aggressive with their
Radicals as the ''whites' (as you love to call them) are with the BNP and EDL. Hound them out of their jobs, attack them
when they march.



Have a thought for the Muslim girls trying to get an education and yet extremists are killing them for it in their own country.....for wanting to go to school.

I have a thought for the poor Muslim girls being slaughtered, raped, kidnapped and beheaded by these
bastards. Its disgusting. Perhaps you'd best get it into your head that its not a few nutjobs. Jihad is
deep-rooted and a CORE BELIEF for millions upon millions of Muslims. Or have i got that wrong. Do you
have a better understanding of the Hadiths than the Saudi Government who fund them all

Food for thought for all Cardiff fans....you know our own MC is a muslim don't you?

Relevance? I've not heard ONE City fan say "f**k off home you Muslim b*stard!" have you?

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Oh Taffy you crack me up. Good on about Ali though Hopefully get some good news on his health in the near future, legend.

Does baffle me that you think Islam can taint and not taint people. Imagine I had a drug that caused mind control yet only worked 0.4% of the time. I'd seriously question the efficiency of the drug. I'd be looking to see if confounding factors might be the reason. Same with Islam.

What utter nonsense. There are different Hadiths, and different sects of Islam who all believe different things.
Did you know that Sunni and Shia kill each other all day and every day, because of the hadiths, some will kill
just because of a cartoon of the prophet, other groups actually DO depict the prophet in artwork. So of course
it can taint people in different ways

As for the racist against white people thing. Like I say I'm not going to teach you something you're just going to ignore anyway (like you've done with anything else) you have google, go look it up. But I'll end with a good start down that path. A favourite quote Of mine from Muhammad Ali:


"No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali#Quotes

I wont ignore it, i'll debate it. Your talking absolute shite, you refused point blank to answer the poser
i put to you about poor white kris Donald, killed simply for being white. How can that NOT be a racist murder
against a white person. As for Muhammad Ali. He (unlike you) has no hatred for the white race. Your a bit
ashamed of being white arent you - Muhammad Ali discovered Sufi'ism. He has seen past white slavery
he has seen past black on black slavery in Africa, he has seen past the Muslim crusades that saw millions of
black Africans taken as slaves. He believes all men are equal. So do i.

I'd really love to hear your explanation on why you cant be racist against whites. I know why you believe it.
I know whats coming...and cant wait to put you straight

all muslims arent terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims

except the hundreds of christians that try try to blow up abortion clinics on a weekly basis (christian extremism)

the IRA (christian extremism [point of order: in the last 20 years in britain you're more likley to be killed by these guys than any muslim terroris, by about 5/1])

the hundreds of muslims killed by christians in the Central African Republic, many of the christians beheaded muslims while quoting bible verses (hmm...sounds familiar....wonder why christians arent condeming it? they must endorse it...christian extremism)

and let us not forget that more than 90% of terrorist attacks last year had NO CONNECTION TO ANY RELIGIOUS GROUP!

but yeah....who needs facts when there's islamaphobia to spout?

all muslims arent terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims

except the hundreds of christians that try try to blow up abortion clinics on a weekly basis (christian extremism)

the IRA (christian extremism [point of order: in the last 20 years in britain you're more likley to be killed by these guys than any muslim terroris, by about 5/1])

the hundreds of muslims killed by christians in the Central African Republic, many of the christians beheaded muslims while quoting bible verses (hmm...sounds familiar....wonder why christians arent condeming it? they must endorse it...christian extremism)

and let us not forget that more than 90% of terrorist attacks last year had NO CONNECTION TO ANY RELIGIOUS GROUP!

but yeah....who needs facts when there's islamaphobia to spout?

The IRA were not a 'religious group' - their aims were nothing to do with catholicism
the clue is in the name. Irish REPUBLICAN Army, but nice try.

Your right about the Abortionists, mental Christian bastards, but luckily, they are an
extreme splinter group with no outside support, no chance of them trying to overthrow
governments.

Whats happening in the C.A.R is also horrific but guess what started that off? Seleko, a
MUSLIM rebel group that overthrew the government and started slaughtering Christians
in the name of Allah. I assume you knew this, but just hoped you could throw it in and
get away with it. there is NO excuse for the treatment of Muslims there right now, but
as you well knew (yeh, ya did!!) that war is a DIRECT result of Muslim aggression)

There is no such word as Islamophobia. That was a phrase conjured up by the Muslim Council
of Great Britain to counter ANY criticism of their religion. Islam cannot abide debate, cannot
allow their views to be questioned or ridiculed. Islam cannot accept anyone criticising their
beliefs. But this is Great Britain, a free country. The words Islamophobia and Homophobia are
used like poison darts (by the loony tree-hugging self-loathing leftys) and fired at anybody who
comes within range.

For instance:

It is NOT a phobia if someone says they disagree with the concept of Islam, it is just an opinion
on a system of belief. Same as if someone says they disagree with Christianity, opinions should
never be attacked in a free Country, unless they incite hatred or violence.

''I dont like homosexuality'' - is a natural statement and perfectly acceptable, providing that person
does not take a further step and say "hang them, burn them" or refuse to serve homosexuals or
refuse to employ them based on their sexual preference.

Again, I know where you got your information about 90% of terrorist attacks last year being non-religious.
It would be helpful to anyone reading that if you underpinned your claims with hard fact. Because
your wrong.

You are breaking your heart and wringing your hands in defence of a religion so fractured, splintered and
corrupted that the people most in danger from islamic lunatics are Muslims themselves. One day the
Muslim World will wake up to this fact. Q'uranism is taking over slowly (read up on it!)

all muslims arent terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims

except the hundreds of christians that try try to blow up abortion clinics on a weekly basis (christian extremism)

the IRA (christian extremism [point of order: in the last 20 years in britain you're more likley to be killed by these guys than any muslim terroris, by about 5/1])

the hundreds of muslims killed by christians in the Central African Republic, many of the christians beheaded muslims while quoting bible verses (hmm...sounds familiar....wonder why christians arent condeming it? they must endorse it...christian extremism)

and let us not forget that more than 90% of terrorist attacks last year had NO CONNECTION TO ANY RELIGIOUS GROUP!

but yeah....who needs facts when there's islamaphobia to spout?

Since when have the IRA or any other irish been christian?

all muslims arent terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims

except the hundreds of christians that try try to blow up abortion clinics on a weekly basis (christian extremism)

the IRA (christian extremism [point of order: in the last 20 years in britain you're more likley to be killed by these guys than any muslim terroris, by about 5/1])

the hundreds of muslims killed by christians in the Central African Republic, many of the christians beheaded muslims while quoting bible verses (hmm...sounds familiar....wonder why christians arent condeming it? they must endorse it...christian extremism)

and let us not forget that more than 90% of terrorist attacks last year had NO CONNECTION TO ANY RELIGIOUS GROUP!

but yeah....who needs facts when there's islamaphobia to spout?

Since when have the IRA or any other irish been christian?

The point he was trying to score was cos it was "catholics" against "protestants" - but a nine year
old could happily point out that the ''troubles'' were not really a religious conflict

RMFH or whatever his name is has gone AWOL now. He could not (cos he cannot) explain why
its ''impossible to be racist against white people" - Nobody even mentioned colour until one of
the tools said "YOU WHITE PEOPLE" etc etc... when he had no way whatsoever of knowing what
colour the original poster was. THEN to further f**k up their ''racist'' agenda...one of them
brilliantly brings up the fact that BLACK Africans are killing Muslims in Africa. These kids are
ignorant Lefty white kids feeling the need to ''stick up for a minority'' Cos they think WE owe
the World a debt for white slavery and British Imperialism. FACT. I dont, nor does my Dad,
nor does my Grandad, nor does my great Grandad. Nor do I feel the WHOLE Islamic World
owes a debt for the Ottoman genocide of christians in Armenia, over a million slaughtered
and not a ''white'' person in sight.

Wales is a very tolerant Nation, a good example to the rest of Britain. Its demented that those
with the biggest problem with colour are white kids hating themselves. morons