Another terrorist attack on a non-Muslim country

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead.

His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".

Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million,including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion. Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.

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Is that the chap that was the basis for our 'illegal war'.

Picking random terrorist incidents that are non muslim doesn't hide the fact this is a huge problem and it is growing rapidly. It is nothing like we have seen in our lifetimes.

Or are the people being beheading innocent childrens, women and families all over the middle east as we speak doing it because of the coalition?.

Do me a favour.

They've always been a blood thirsty bunch of pirates. Always. Basing their existence on a myth and slaughtering millions because a little man told them to.

Or maybe it is there mental issues.

sorry are you talking about christians or muslims? its just the descriptions are so similar.

and when was the last time muslims slaughtered "millions" of people?? crusades maybe? or was that christians again?

seriously...MILLIONS??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

I linked it yesterday. And that is just one that is documented. Can you imagine what it was like in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq about 50 years ago with little to no media coverage?.

The crusades were horrible yes, but nearly all countries have been at fault for war crimes in the past. It is pointless bringing them up.

They are the only religion left that has a large percentage of their followers believing killing off other religions is the answer. They haven't caught up with the rest of the world, they are stuck in the dark ages. Some have, the people who have travelled and understand the world. Their countries are awfully underdeveloped so you can understand how they are behind.

You can't make excuses for them though. You learn not to hurt others from the first time you hit a classmate, relative, friends at 1 years old.

I feel sorry for the people of the middle east, so many have innocent people have died. But the west's interventions have killed many but they have had to live with so many tyrants. The west has a habit of blaming themselves. There have been a lot worse groups in the middle east than the coaltion.

Why this attack is so different is that it is on one of the most civilised countries on this planet.

I'm getting bored of my own voice now ha. Time for a break

One more!

It tells you everything you need to know about the BBC that when showing the Charlie Hebdo Magazine front covers they showed the ones ripping into catholics and jews but left out the ones about Muhammed. Spinesless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

I linked it yesterday. And that is just one that is documented. Can you imagine what it was like in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq about 50 years ago with little to no media coverage?.

The crusades were horrible yes, but nearly all countries have been at fault for war crimes in the past. It is pointless bringing them up.

They are the only religion left that has a large percentage of their followers believing killing off other religions is the answer. They haven't caught up with the rest of the world, they are stuck in the dark ages. Some have, the people who have travelled and understand the world. Their countries are awfully underdeveloped so you can understand how they are behind.

You can't make excuses for them though. You learn not to hurt others from the first time you hit a classmate, relative, friends at 1 years old.

I feel sorry for the people of the middle east, so many have innocent people have died. But the west's interventions have killed many but they have had to live with so many tyrants. The west has a habit of blaming themselves. There have been a lot worse groups in the middle east than the coaltion.

Why this attack is so different is that it is on one of the most civilised countries on this planet.

I'm getting bored of my own voice now ha. Time for a break

Iran and Afghanistan was considered modern in the 1950s (think it was that period) then the revolution started in Iran which led to the nutjob got in power. Afghanistan became a shithole because the Soviets invaded, so the Yanks funded, trained and armed the Muhjihadeen and placed former CIA employee Osama bin Laden in charge whom beat the Soviets and led to the birth of our buddies, Al Qaeda.

Nuke the bastards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

I linked it yesterday. And that is just one that is documented. Can you imagine what it was like in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq about 50 years ago with little to no media coverage?.

The crusades were horrible yes, but nearly all countries have been at fault for war crimes in the past. It is pointless bringing them up.

They are the only religion left that has a large percentage of their followers believing killing off other religions is the answer. They haven't caught up with the rest of the world, they are stuck in the dark ages. Some have, the people who have travelled and understand the world. Their countries are awfully underdeveloped so you can understand how they are behind.

You can't make excuses for them though. You learn not to hurt others from the first time you hit a classmate, relative, friends at 1 years old.

I feel sorry for the people of the middle east, so many have innocent people have died. But the west's interventions have killed many but they have had to live with so many tyrants. The west has a habit of blaming themselves. There have been a lot worse groups in the middle east than the coaltion.

Why this attack is so different is that it is on one of the most civilised countries on this planet.

I'm getting bored of my own voice now ha. Time for a break

Where on earth do you get off on this kind of moral superiority? Don't you remember anything from recent history or do you have a selective memory?
If you hate Muslims/Islam just say it, be honest - don't try and justify it with unsustainable rubbish about "They are the only religion left that has a large percentage of their followers believing killing off other religions is the answer". Stupid ignorant bullshit that is so obviously wrong it shouldn't need comment but this the really low level we're sinking to. Look at our glorious Islamic history from hundreds of years ago while you still had pogroms against the Jews - all the oppressed of Europe used to flee to Islamic lands. Do not believe everything you read of the EDL and other websites, they have an agenda.

You reference a link to the Armenian massacre that occurred in 1915 and even allowing for Turkish claims of denial and assuming the Wikipedia link you sent is accurate, then this is a brutal massacre and should rightly be condemned........but in what why does it reflect your point?

If we look at more recent history, which you have conveniently forgotten, civilised Christian, White, Westerner Europeans slaughtered 7 million Jews systematically. Like sheep, without any mercy and for what? Is that due to your superior morality and culture.

Also in WW2 at least 28 Million European Soviet citizens were slaughtered by Christian, Western Germans. Not forgetting the millions of others killed.

Also WW1, how many millions and millions of Western, Christian Europeans were killed by fellow Christian Europeans.

What about Nagasaki and Hiroshima, how many innocent children, elderly, women and men were killed there??

Stalin and Lenin (both European but one Jewish and one Christian) slaughtered millions and millions of Soviet citizens - including large numbers of Muslim Soviet citizens from Chechnya and the other small Muslim majority republic.
No continent in history is as blood thirsty as the Europeans - look up your history books, its only since WW2 that things have stabilised.

All the above is just in the 1900's, so it's very recent - doesn't reflect too well on the perceived moral rectitude and superiority of the West and of Europeans does it?

Also while the mess in the ME is of course primarily the result of the peoples own weaknesses and mistakes, how can you deny the role Imperialism has had?

Who drew up all these borders, who gave Palestine away to European Jews because they couldn't live in Europe due to persecution? Who imposed and supported corrupt local rulers to keep the natives downtrodden and divided? Who "divided and conquered"? Do you think there are no after effects to that?

The most recent war against Iraq in 2003, killed how many hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly? The Americans were on a new crusade and if it wasn't for the shock and unexpected bloody nose they received in Iraq they would have attacked other countries too. This unnecessary, un-needed, counter-productive, war of choice on Iraq has been a total disaster. We are living with the effects now. As a direct result of Bush's war on Iraq ISIS came into being and became more and more extreme. Iran now controls much of the ME due to this stupid war and there are going to be really serious issues between them and the rest of the ME in the future. Of course violence begets violence and now people are fighting for their survival so they go to extreme and un-ordinary measures.

yasser, one of the fundamental issues muslims have, is that they think their religion is beyond any critique and satire. if muslims want their religion to be seen as one in keeping with values like freedom of speech and tolerance, this must change.

i'll illustrate this as follows: there is a play called the 'book of mormon' which basically pokes fun at the mormon religion and calls it a joke religion.

When asked in January 2015 if he had met Mormons who disliked the musical, Gad stated "I can safely say that in the 1.5 years I did that show, I never got a single complaint from a practicing Mormon ... To the contrary, I probably had a few people - a dozen - tell me they were so moved by the show that they took up the Mormon faith

if that was a play making fun of islam, would the producer still be alive today? i doubt it. the whole staff probably would have been opened fire upon like the makers of the magazine were.

yasser, one of the fundamental issues muslims have, is that they think their religion is beyond any critique and satire. if muslims want their religion to be seen as one in keeping with values like freedom of speech and tolerance, this must change.

i'll illustrate this as follows: there is a play called the 'book of mormon' which basically pokes fun at the mormon religion and calls it a joke religion.

When asked in January 2015 if he had met Mormons who disliked the musical, Gad stated "I can safely say that in the 1.5 years I did that show, I never got a single complaint from a practicing Mormon ... To the contrary, I probably had a few people - a dozen - tell me they were so moved by the show that they took up the Mormon faith

if that was a play making fun of islam, would the producer still be alive today? i doubt it. the whole staff probably would have been opened fire upon like the makers of the magazine were.

Have you read some of the poison above???!! Why do you not comment on those nasty, vicious and obviously inaccurate comments? Are these the fruits of freedom of speech or are they people anonymously trying to incite the ignorant and stupid?

Now I've got a link below from an American writer which shows a number of shows which were withdrawn after threats, please read it all.

http://www.salon.com/2010/04/26/douthat_4/

There is a myth of freedom of speech, there has never been complete freedom of speech.
I challenge you to question that 6 or 7 million Jews were killed in the European, Christian Holocaust? Not to deny it but just question it. No that is sancrosant. Please understand I do not deny that Western, Christians killed 6 or 7 million Jews systematically in a barbaric manner, I just use to show that there is no absolute freedom of expression

If you don't believe in Islam, if you don't believe in God, if you think Islam is wrong then fine state your case - but to think that you have the right to insult or humiliate people because of their beliefs, well I disagree.

If I went to town and insulted someones mother or wife I would expect to get a punch, do I have the freedom of speech there too? People when someone beloved to them is insulted tend to hurt.

Don't getting me wrong what happened is unbelievable and also incredibly stupid as these idiots have now opened the door for the Far Right to take advantage. You must respect the laws of the country where you live but in recent years there has been an organised campaign against Islam/Muslims - even in the respectable media. Muslims are the new Jews and this kind of demonising of minorities, leaves the minorities feeling very persecuted and on edge and maybe a little sensitive. The weak and powerless are being persecuted, look at the round the clock coverage of the Paris attacks - how many times can you repeat the same news over the course of 24 hours? Is this informing or 'conditioning'? Are we to live in fear or is it hugely exaggerated?

By all means critise the killers, chase them, hunt them but don't use the cloak of freedom of speech to spread other agendas.

I've lost count of how many programs or talks have been cancelled because someone is unfairly labelled a "radical", how many people especially in the US have lost jobs or positions for daring to critise Israel.

Finally there are plenty of people attacking Muslims, plenty of articles mocking Islam/Muslims and they are all still alive.

Also look at all the inaccurate poison written about Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). Lets just look at it in context for once :-

Just100 years ago the age of consent in most American states was 10 year old, except in Delaware where it was 7 years old,

"In the 12th century, Gratian, the influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7. There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds.[3]"


These quotations are from Wikipedia (link is below).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent



So in England there were recorded marriages from 2 AND 3 YEARS OLD!!! These are not my word they are written by English people - please read the link.

So what does that tell us??

All over the world people married at puberty (which varied from race to race, climate to climate).



ALL over the world life was very short and hard (very low life expectancy of maybe 30 or 35 years) - so people married their children off young.
In Arabia in 650 AD (i.e. 1400 years ago) they would sometimes marry their kids off as soon as they hit puberty
The Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) married Aisha when she was 9 (after puberty) - he married her on orders from God for a particular wisdom.

After the death of the Prophet Aisha lived a very long and productive life and she went on to become the fourth greatest Scholar in the long history of Islam. People used to travel from all over the known world at that time to learn from her about Islam. She was/ is greatly revered and her name is the most common name for Muslim girls in the world such is her high status.

When you judge someone from History you have to judge him by the norms of his time and not just pick and chose.

What the EDL and others forget to mention is that The Prophet also married a woman 15 years older than him and his other wives were poor and older widows who struggled financially, who he married and obviously looked after.

He didn't marry Aisha for lust rather it was for a reason. He could have very easily cherry picked the most beautiful women of Arabia if he had wanted (the Pagan Arabs offered him women and wealth if he stopped teaching Islam) but he was a noble and simple man. When he died he left very little behind (a couple of pots and pans) in terms of material wealth but he left a lasting message.

The early Muslims after the Prophet started a magnificent empire making huge advances in Science, Mathematics, Medicine, Astronomy. The first and oldest universities in the world are all in the Islamic world.
Yes I know the Muslims today are not of the same calibre.

To portray Muslims as wild savages is completely wrong (as the history books testify to), however that doesn't mean that here and now, today there aren't many huge obstacles to overcome in the Muslim world.

This is a football blog and it's easy to make accusations against Muslims knowing full well there are no, or hardly any Muslims on the blog to counter, so please be careful what you read and don't believe it all.

Western papers going with images that will show Muslims that the more you kill the more we'll express our frreedom to print what we like. Fair play i say

you know the virgin mary was 14 and joseph in his 30s right?

just sayin...u know...its the same thing really

or is it different? please explain if so

Muslims are gang raping white schoolgirls on massive scales across the UK. 1,400 underage girls in Rotherham were abused by Pakistani Muslims (The pedophiles are still walking free) Oxford, Rochdale, Bristol, Birmingham, Oldham, Manchester and it goes on in Muslim country's just like those 200 school girls who were kidnapped and sold on the market to pedophile Muslim men.

Show me where Christians are gang raping in epic proportions around the world? Muslims who gang rape tell the victims it's okay because our religion allows it and the Muslim rapists even ask the 12 year old if they know even younger girls.