Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:00 pm
Daya wrote:Pembroke bluebird wrote:Daya wrote:Pembroke bluebird wrote:Daya wrote:Pembroke bluebird wrote:Daya wrote:All one big dream. The clubs life president and the clubs owner don't get on anymore ? You don't say.
That didn't last long did it !!
Sorry but why should Vincent Tan sell ? He's invested heavily into a business that he has the opportunity to turn around.
He has his business plan and schedule and why would he want to sell just because some of the customers say so? Pr the life president wants to lead a consortium and try and get a discount rate.
Sorry just can't see that happening. Don't build your hopes up is my advice.
Out of interest why have you got such a fixation our clubs business dealings ??????
A. Because it's interesting.
B. Because I used to enjoy watching the old Cardiff City when I lived in Wales.
C. Because the constant media hype and fans hype that filters through daily again becomes interesting.
D. Because many a friend is still a Franchise FC supporter wishing for his traditional club back.
E. Because I don't believe ANY football club or fan doesn't deserve to be franchised and rebranded the way your club has.
Is that okay with you ? If not tough shit anyway.
Think I touched a nerve you obsessive little pricknow get back on west spams board troll
You're not very clever are you.
It seems it was me that touched the nerve as you resulted straight away to personal abuse as you didn't like the answer.
What on earth makes you think you have hit a nerve with me ? I have no nerve feelings regards the football club at all. I'm surprised you do either really as I understand you don't actually go and are a newbie fan.
You have and I quote your words " I have no nerve feelings regards the football club at all." Yet you troll on our clubs website on New Year's Day lol by the way what are "nerve feelings ? 'oh by the way attended my first Cardiff city game some 40 odd years ago not exactly a newbie eh ?
You really are dull.
Don't you understand the word interested. To be interested you don't need feelings. I'm interested in the Air Asia plane crash but I don't fly with them or have feelings for the airline itself.
Yes, it's a quiet day you are correct on something at last! A time to read up on matters you find interesting.
40 years ago i ate cough candy, doesn't mean I still buy them now. When was your last game ? What's your season ticket number? Any chance of a pic ?
Chances are you can't provide one.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:27 pm
CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:32 pm
Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:34 pm
Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:38 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:39 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:52 pm
Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:58 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:01 pm
Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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But it is Tans Club. That's your first issue, the second being it's not the club you supported previously either.
It's all Tans.
Nobody is telling you to stop, he hasn't banned you, he won't he loves the control. He's craving off it. You make his day.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:04 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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But it is Tans Club. That's your first issue, the second being it's not the club you supported previously either.
It's all Tans.
Nobody is telling you to stop, he hasn't banned you, he won't he loves the control. He's craving off it. You make his day.
Steve,Thats your opinion I have mine![]()
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:06 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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But it is Tans Club. That's your first issue, the second being it's not the club you supported previously either.
It's all Tans.
Nobody is telling you to stop, he hasn't banned you, he won't he loves the control. He's craving off it. You make his day.
Steve,Thats your opinion I have mine![]()
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:08 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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But it is Tans Club. That's your first issue, the second being it's not the club you supported previously either.
It's all Tans.
Nobody is telling you to stop, he hasn't banned you, he won't he loves the control. He's craving off it. You make his day.
Steve,Thats your opinion I have mine![]()
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I live in my house, the deco is mine and I'm not scared to go into it.
Tan is too scared to go into his "house", perhaps he doesn't like the deco.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:11 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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But it is Tans Club. That's your first issue, the second being it's not the club you supported previously either.
It's all Tans.
Nobody is telling you to stop, he hasn't banned you, he won't he loves the control. He's craving off it. You make his day.
Steve,Thats your opinion I have mine![]()
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I live in my house, the deco is mine and I'm not scared to go into it.
Tan is too scared to go into his "house", perhaps he doesn't like the deco.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:23 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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But it is Tans Club. That's your first issue, the second being it's not the club you supported previously either.
It's all Tans.
Nobody is telling you to stop, he hasn't banned you, he won't he loves the control. He's craving off it. You make his day.
Steve,Thats your opinion I have mine![]()
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I live in my house, the deco is mine and I'm not scared to go into it.
Tan is too scared to go into his "house", perhaps he doesn't like the deco.
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:27 pm
Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:28 pm
Blazing Saddles wrote:35 years a season ticket holder and 100% behind #nobluenorenew. Just a pity some supporters are not supporting this and continuing to fund Tans red circus. Very very disappointed with these high profile supporters.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:30 pm
Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:36 pm
wez1927 wrote:Steve I agree he don't give a Shit for us ,we will go up in the future some time and he will sell us for a profit,bums on seats are small fry compared to the tv money we get
Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:57 pm
Blazing Saddles wrote:35 years a season ticket holder and 100% behind #nobluenorenew. Just a pity some supporters are not supporting this and continuing to fund Tans red circus. Very very disappointed with these high profile supporters.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:08 pm
Daya wrote:wez1927 wrote:Steve I agree he don't give a Shit for us ,we will go up in the future some time and he will sell us for a profit,bums on seats are small fry compared to the tv money we get
Wez, don't take it too far lol , you ain't going anywhere other than league one at present. But I get where you are coming from because you are right, a premiership football club as a business can survive on the TV Money with NO CROWD.
So hence why it's important to not renew NOW !! IF you want to see the end of Tan. In the premiership he just doesn't need you and can easily replace you anyway !!
Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:22 pm
Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:48 pm
wez1927 wrote:Daya wrote:wez1927 wrote:Steve I agree he don't give a Shit for us ,we will go up in the future some time and he will sell us for a profit,bums on seats are small fry compared to the tv money we get
Wez, don't take it too far lol , you ain't going anywhere other than league one at present. But I get where you are coming from because you are right, a premiership football club as a business can survive on the TV Money with NO CROWD.
So hence why it's important to not renew NOW !! IF you want to see the end of Tan. In the premiership he just doesn't need you and can easily replace you anyway !!
I really don't agree with not renewing or boycotting as tan doesn't take money out of the club anyway ,isn't the money going towards the team ,academy,etc after all we are ment to all support Cardiff city ?
Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:53 pm
wez1927 wrote:Daya wrote:wez1927 wrote:Steve I agree he don't give a Shit for us ,we will go up in the future some time and he will sell us for a profit,bums on seats are small fry compared to the tv money we get
Wez, don't take it too far lol , you ain't going anywhere other than league one at present. But I get where you are coming from because you are right, a premiership football club as a business can survive on the TV Money with NO CROWD.
So hence why it's important to not renew NOW !! IF you want to see the end of Tan. In the premiership he just doesn't need you and can easily replace you anyway !!
I really don't agree with not renewing or boycotting as tan doesn't take money out of the club anyway ,isn't the money going towards the team ,academy,etc after all we are ment to all support Cardiff city ?
Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:22 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:wez1927 wrote:Daya wrote:wez1927 wrote:Steve I agree he don't give a Shit for us ,we will go up in the future some time and he will sell us for a profit,bums on seats are small fry compared to the tv money we get
Wez, don't take it too far lol , you ain't going anywhere other than league one at present. But I get where you are coming from because you are right, a premiership football club as a business can survive on the TV Money with NO CROWD.
So hence why it's important to not renew NOW !! IF you want to see the end of Tan. In the premiership he just doesn't need you and can easily replace you anyway !!
I really don't agree with not renewing or boycotting as tan doesn't take money out of the club anyway ,isn't the money going towards the team ,academy,etc after all we are ment to all support Cardiff city ?
Never look at it that way Wez.
So renewing means you are not putting into Tans pocket.
Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:52 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:53 pm
Carpe Diem wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Daya wrote:Forever Blue wrote:CHRIS PIKE wrote:You don't sound confident about this takeover Annis ?
I have confidence in their efforts,but I know there is a long way to go and they need time,but what mess will we be in by May 2015?
All this will come out later this year and hopefully when they are in a position to say its all in place and Tan accepts his only way out is a big loss.
Tan won't accept a loss.
Steve, Well City will never ever make him money now,that I guarantee.
Your still putting money in his pocket though aren't you ? No renew is the way.
Since Tan has been there in 4 yrs,He has had no money from me on merchandise or anything else other than my season ticket, even if every fan never bought one,that would be like a drop in the ocean to Tan. I wont be driven out of my Club,instead I feel we have driven Tan out, over £170 million lent to us and he cant feel comfortable and proud to go and watch City.
We all have our ways/opinions, I never followed the Red Brigade like thousands of others,I stood proudly with the minority then and I wont be following others now that there is no glory.
I have renewed for 43 consecutive seasons and I wont be told when to stop going,I will decide myself,no ones decision but mine, I went when 11 fans have followed City away and crowds of 1,400 for home games and its all been my decision,Ive always had my own mind.
Yes I hate it down there,but its my club not Tans![]()
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Great post Annis.
I certainly couldn't care less what fans of other clubs tnink. Always full of advice and claiming what they would do, but the truth is nobody can know how they would feel or what they would do unless it happened to them.
Your blue faith will be rewarded one day
Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:02 pm
wez1927 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:wez1927 wrote:Daya wrote:wez1927 wrote:Steve I agree he don't give a Shit for us ,we will go up in the future some time and he will sell us for a profit,bums on seats are small fry compared to the tv money we get
Wez, don't take it too far lol , you ain't going anywhere other than league one at present. But I get where you are coming from because you are right, a premiership football club as a business can survive on the TV Money with NO CROWD.
So hence why it's important to not renew NOW !! IF you want to see the end of Tan. In the premiership he just doesn't need you and can easily replace you anyway !!
I really don't agree with not renewing or boycotting as tan doesn't take money out of the club anyway ,isn't the money going towards the team ,academy,etc after all we are ment to all support Cardiff city ?
Never look at it that way Wez.
So renewing means you are not putting into Tans pocket.
Not unless he's making a profit ? How's it really going to hurt tan lossing a couple of million a year ? He gets that in intrest in a day ,the only ones kissing out are the players and the club including all the grass roots teams
Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:16 pm
buy a season ticket or matchday ticket and keep wearing blue and dont buy any rebrand merchandise that will show tan and the clubnp20 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:wez1927 wrote:Daya wrote:wez1927 wrote:Steve I agree he don't give a Shit for us ,we will go up in the future some time and he will sell us for a profit,bums on seats are small fry compared to the tv money we get
Wez, don't take it too far lol , you ain't going anywhere other than league one at present. But I get where you are coming from because you are right, a premiership football club as a business can survive on the TV Money with NO CROWD.
So hence why it's important to not renew NOW !! IF you want to see the end of Tan. In the premiership he just doesn't need you and can easily replace you anyway !!
I really don't agree with not renewing or boycotting as tan doesn't take money out of the club anyway ,isn't the money going towards the team ,academy,etc after all we are ment to all support Cardiff city ?
Never look at it that way Wez.
So renewing means you are not putting into Tans pocket.
Not unless he's making a profit ? How's it really going to hurt tan lossing a couple of million a year ? He gets that in intrest in a day ,the only ones kissing out are the players and the club including all the grass roots teams
Never thought of tan not taking money from the club until he leaves and call in the loans.
It's a great way of looking at it, by going and spending you are funding our academy and infrastructure, not tans pockets.
You are effectively filling tans pockets by boycotting and making him loan more money to be called in upon leaving the club.
All subject of course to debt/equity scenario
Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:31 pm
Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:32 am