Vincent Tan: Says " Dave Whelan is a racist "

So it looks like Tan has stolen the show again and brought everything that is happening at Wigan on to our door step once again.

And some say on here, why do I mention Tan or Malky?

Lets be honest not a week goes by without Tans circus again stealing the pathetic show.

I hate racism but Tan is making yet again a mountain out of a mole hill.

He is a wanker........and he has been a wanker since the very first day.

Please do not use the word wanker in a negative and derogatory way. Many of us like to crack one out now and again and your comment seems to be discriminating against us. Hahaha

IMPORTANT: no masturbators were harmed during the making of this post!

So it looks like Tan has stolen the show again and brought everything that is happening at Wigan on to our door step once again.

And some say on here, why do I mention Tan or Malky?

Lets be honest not a week goes by without Tans circus again stealing the pathetic show.

I hate racism but Tan is making yet again a mountain out of a mole hill.

He is a wanker........and he has been a wanker since the very first day.

Please do not use the word wanker in a negative and derogatory way. Many of us like to crack one out now and again and your comment seems to be discriminating against us. Hahaha

IMPORTANT: no masturbators were harmed during the making of this post!

To be honest chap I am expcting this song to take off if Tan has the guts to show his face at CCS

Hands up - who would rather our club be run the way Wigan has been run by Dave Whelan? A lower division club, that has been nurtured and developed by someone that cares about the club and its welfare and has protected its financial future.

I for one would, 100%. So by Tans "logic" does that make me racist too?

Hands up - who would rather our club be run the way Wigan has been run by Dave Whelan? A lower division club, that has been nurtured and developed by someone that cares about the club and its welfare and has protected its financial future.

I for one would, 100%. So by Tans "logic" does that make me racist too?

If Mackay is a racist then I GUARANTEE nearly everyone on this forum is. Mackay didn't say it in public because people know when to control their emotions and when to not offend people.

I'll hold my hands up and the stuff I've said with mates is worse than what Mackay has said. But I said it with my friends, which offends no one. I would never dream of saying it to offend anyone. That's the difference. Mackay didn't say it to offend anyone, he said it as a joke with a friend.

He is not a racist.

And Tan is just a dickhead that gets personal as he couldnt even control his own club.

I'm sorry but that sly c**t of an ex manager of ours is a piece of shit racist and did it in public by racially bullying players of the club

Hands up - who would rather our club be run the way Wigan has been run by Dave Whelan? A lower division club, that has been nurtured and developed by someone that cares about the club and its welfare and has protected its financial future.

I for one would, 100%. So by Tans "logic" does that make me racist too?

Would but your arm off for a Dave W type owner . f**k off Tan

Tan is sticking up for the club on this situation and people who are backing Whelan over Tan in this situation are an embarrassment and no supporter of this club.

Wrong. Tan is sticking up for himself. What have Wigan done to threaten our club exactly? Malky was a free agent and Dave Whelan has taken a punt on him. That's Whelan's choice, he knew the backlash appointing Malky would bring him and Tan should not get involved and leave Whelan deal with it, so why isn't he? Because Tan has a personal vendetta against Malky and won't let it lie. Tan's playground tantrums will only disrupt our club even further. Tan should shut up and wait for the FA to finish their investigation.

All Tan's antics are doing is disrupting our club, disrupting Wigan's club and disrupting the FA's investigation even further. Tan is hell bent on taking shots at Malky at every opportunity and using his wealth and contacts to manipulate people into backing his crusade to dig up something on Malky to nail him at any cost. And Tan is doing this for himself, not for anyone else, not for our club, just for himself.

Ross, I suggest you look at Lord Triesman's very considered comments today and just maybe) think again on what you say, as it might be claimed that YOU have a "personal vendetta" against Tan; a man you have never actually met!

Here is part of what he (a senior Lawyer) said:


Lord Triesman, who was Football Association chairman from 2008-10, told Sky Sports News HQ that Whelan's comments should be thoroughly investigated.

"I'm glad he's apologised - it's quite right that he should," he said. "But I don't think that means the FA can simply say 'that's it.' They should investigate and they should do it quickly - not one of these processes that takes forever and no-one knows when it is going to come to a conclusion.

"It should be done quickly and if they find that the evidence is there he should be found guilty of having brought the game into disrepute. They are going to have to work out the severity of the punishment. I think that for the owner of a major club to make comments of that kind sends a very serious message out about the state of the attitude.

"The FA needs to counter-balance that with an equally serious response."


You should also consider that Adam Brown has a far bigger agenda than you do and (unlike yours, in fairness) it isn't in any way, shape or form in the best interests of Cardiff City Football club or its supporters. That is abundantly clear and your unwittingly smug response (quote) "Racists! You should never work again! " (unqote) only make you look as 'supporting' him, his derogatory remarks and his negativity towards this club as a whole!

As a former (albeit failed) politician, Adam should know far better than to 'joke' like that; particularly given the variety of the community he so disappointingly represented

Have no doubt that Adam Brown doesn't really give a flying fig for Vincent Tan or Cardiff City FC beyond either (or both) being tools with which to drive his personal and oft bitter agenda(s) forward

Your thoughts on Vincent Tan and what YOU believe he has done to Cardiff City Football Club are well-documented, but there are times when you simply need to look at the wider picture; and this IMHO is one such occasion!

So Sven, after reading your lengthy post, can you explain what you believe "the wider picture" is with this current issue? I see no "wider picture" issue with this incident to be honest, apart from the fact Tan has opened his trap accusing Whelan of being racist claiming Jews chase money more than most people (which they do)?

Tan is sticking up for the club on this situation and people who are backing Whelan over Tan in this situation are an embarrassment and no supporter of this club.

Wrong. Tan is sticking up for himself. What have Wigan done to threaten our club exactly? Malky was a free agent and Dave Whelan has taken a punt on him. That's Whelan's choice, he knew the backlash appointing Malky would bring him and Tan should not get involved and leave Whelan deal with it, so why isn't he? Because Tan has a personal vendetta against Malky and won't let it lie. Tan's playground tantrums will only disrupt our club even further. Tan should shut up and wait for the FA to finish their investigation.

All Tan's antics are doing is disrupting our club, disrupting Wigan's club and disrupting the FA's investigation even further. Tan is hell bent on taking shots at Malky at every opportunity and using his wealth and contacts to manipulate people into backing his crusade to dig up something on Malky to nail him at any cost. And Tan is doing this for himself, not for anyone else, not for our club, just for himself.

Ross, I suggest you look at Lord Triesman's very considered comments today and just maybe) think again on what you say, as it might be claimed that YOU have a "personal vendetta" against Tan; a man you have never actually met!

Here is part of what he (a senior Lawyer) said:


Lord Triesman, who was Football Association chairman from 2008-10, told Sky Sports News HQ that Whelan's comments should be thoroughly investigated.

"I'm glad he's apologised - it's quite right that he should," he said. "But I don't think that means the FA can simply say 'that's it.' They should investigate and they should do it quickly - not one of these processes that takes forever and no-one knows when it is going to come to a conclusion.

"It should be done quickly and if they find that the evidence is there he should be found guilty of having brought the game into disrepute. They are going to have to work out the severity of the punishment. I think that for the owner of a major club to make comments of that kind sends a very serious message out about the state of the attitude.

"The FA needs to counter-balance that with an equally serious response."


You should also consider that Adam Brown has a far bigger agenda than you do and (unlike yours, in fairness) it isn't in any way, shape or form in the best interests of Cardiff City Football club or its supporters. That is abundantly clear and your unwittingly smug response (quote) "Racists! You should never work again! " (unqote) only make you look as 'supporting' him, his derogatory remarks and his negativity towards this club as a whole!

As a former (albeit failed) politician, Adam should know far better than to 'joke' like that; particularly given the variety of the community he so disappointingly represented

Have no doubt that Adam Brown doesn't really give a flying fig for Vincent Tan or Cardiff City FC beyond either (or both) being tools with which to drive his personal and oft bitter agenda(s) forward

Your thoughts on Vincent Tan and what YOU believe he has done to Cardiff City Football Club are well-documented, but there are times when you simply need to look at the wider picture; and this IMHO is one such occasion!

So Sven, after reading your lengthy post, can you explain what you believe "the wider picture" is with this current issue? I see no "wider picture" issue with this incident to be honest, apart from the fact Tan has opened his trap accusing Whelan of being racist claiming Jews chase money more than most people (which they do)?

The wider picture is 'racism' full stop!

Doesn't matter what Tan said to the media (who deliberately went looking for him to comment) but it does matter that both Malky and now Whelan have let themselves down with through own actions!

Tan certainly didn't 'make' them do that, did he??

And Triesman gave some very valid points as to why (a) Malky should not be allowed back into football until any investigations are completed, and (b) why Whelan should also be investigated for his comments in the increasingly sensitive world we live in!

I may or may not agree with him, but from a 'professional' FA point of view it doesn't look good, does it??

And comments like "Jews chase money more than most (which they do)" single them out as being some sort of sycophants, when the reality is the bulk of the world's richest people are not of that background!

Tan is sticking up for the club on this situation and people who are backing Whelan over Tan in this situation are an embarrassment and no supporter of this club.

Wrong. Tan is sticking up for himself. What have Wigan done to threaten our club exactly? Malky was a free agent and Dave Whelan has taken a punt on him. That's Whelan's choice, he knew the backlash appointing Malky would bring him and Tan should not get involved and leave Whelan deal with it, so why isn't he? Because Tan has a personal vendetta against Malky and won't let it lie. Tan's playground tantrums will only disrupt our club even further. Tan should shut up and wait for the FA to finish their investigation.

All Tan's antics are doing is disrupting our club, disrupting Wigan's club and disrupting the FA's investigation even further. Tan is hell bent on taking shots at Malky at every opportunity and using his wealth and contacts to manipulate people into backing his crusade to dig up something on Malky to nail him at any cost. And Tan is doing this for himself, not for anyone else, not for our club, just for himself.

Ross, I suggest you look at Lord Triesman's very considered comments today and just maybe) think again on what you say, as it might be claimed that YOU have a "personal vendetta" against Tan; a man you have never actually met!

Here is part of what he (a senior Lawyer) said:


Lord Triesman, who was Football Association chairman from 2008-10, told Sky Sports News HQ that Whelan's comments should be thoroughly investigated.

"I'm glad he's apologised - it's quite right that he should," he said. "But I don't think that means the FA can simply say 'that's it.' They should investigate and they should do it quickly - not one of these processes that takes forever and no-one knows when it is going to come to a conclusion.

"It should be done quickly and if they find that the evidence is there he should be found guilty of having brought the game into disrepute. They are going to have to work out the severity of the punishment. I think that for the owner of a major club to make comments of that kind sends a very serious message out about the state of the attitude.

"The FA needs to counter-balance that with an equally serious response."


You should also consider that Adam Brown has a far bigger agenda than you do and (unlike yours, in fairness) it isn't in any way, shape or form in the best interests of Cardiff City Football club or its supporters. That is abundantly clear and your unwittingly smug response (quote) "Racists! You should never work again! " (unqote) only make you look as 'supporting' him, his derogatory remarks and his negativity towards this club as a whole!

As a former (albeit failed) politician, Adam should know far better than to 'joke' like that; particularly given the variety of the community he so disappointingly represented

Have no doubt that Adam Brown doesn't really give a flying fig for Vincent Tan or Cardiff City FC beyond either (or both) being tools with which to drive his personal and oft bitter agenda(s) forward

Your thoughts on Vincent Tan and what YOU believe he has done to Cardiff City Football Club are well-documented, but there are times when you simply need to look at the wider picture; and this IMHO is one such occasion!

So Sven, after reading your lengthy post, can you explain what you believe "the wider picture" is with this current issue? I see no "wider picture" issue with this incident to be honest, apart from the fact Tan has opened his trap accusing Whelan of being racist claiming Jews chase money more than most people (which they do)?

The wider picture is 'racism' full stop!

Doesn't matter what Tan said to the media (who deliberately went looking for him to comment) but it does matter that both Malky and now Whelan have let themselves down with through own actions!

Tan certainly didn't 'make' them do that, did he??

And Triesman gave some very valid points as to why (a) Malky should not be allowed back into football until any investigations are completed, and (b) why Whelan should also be investigated for his comments in the increasingly sensitive world we live in!

I may or may not agree with him, but from a 'professional' FA point of view it doesn't look good, does it??

And comments like "Jews chase money more than most (which they do)" single them out as being some sort of sycophants, when the reality is the bulk of the world's richest people are not of that background!

I think you're drastically wrong with that last statement Sven. The Jews own the majority of the big companies and the majority of the big banks, plus the Jews control the vast majority of the world press/media. So I think Dave Whelan has merely stated a fact which has been severely twisted into a racial comment. I find the whole thing totally embarrassing to be honest and Tan's involvement in this is even further embarrassing.

Tan is sticking up for the club on this situation and people who are backing Whelan over Tan in this situation are an embarrassment and no supporter of this club.

Wrong. Tan is sticking up for himself. What have Wigan done to threaten our club exactly? Malky was a free agent and Dave Whelan has taken a punt on him. That's Whelan's choice, he knew the backlash appointing Malky would bring him and Tan should not get involved and leave Whelan deal with it, so why isn't he? Because Tan has a personal vendetta against Malky and won't let it lie. Tan's playground tantrums will only disrupt our club even further. Tan should shut up and wait for the FA to finish their investigation.

All Tan's antics are doing is disrupting our club, disrupting Wigan's club and disrupting the FA's investigation even further. Tan is hell bent on taking shots at Malky at every opportunity and using his wealth and contacts to manipulate people into backing his crusade to dig up something on Malky to nail him at any cost. And Tan is doing this for himself, not for anyone else, not for our club, just for himself.

Ross, I suggest you look at Lord Triesman's very considered comments today and just maybe) think again on what you say, as it might be claimed that YOU have a "personal vendetta" against Tan; a man you have never actually met!

Here is part of what he (a senior Lawyer) said:


Lord Triesman, who was Football Association chairman from 2008-10, told Sky Sports News HQ that Whelan's comments should be thoroughly investigated.

"I'm glad he's apologised - it's quite right that he should," he said. "But I don't think that means the FA can simply say 'that's it.' They should investigate and they should do it quickly - not one of these processes that takes forever and no-one knows when it is going to come to a conclusion.

"It should be done quickly and if they find that the evidence is there he should be found guilty of having brought the game into disrepute. They are going to have to work out the severity of the punishment. I think that for the owner of a major club to make comments of that kind sends a very serious message out about the state of the attitude.

"The FA needs to counter-balance that with an equally serious response."


You should also consider that Adam Brown has a far bigger agenda than you do and (unlike yours, in fairness) it isn't in any way, shape or form in the best interests of Cardiff City Football club or its supporters. That is abundantly clear and your unwittingly smug response (quote) "Racists! You should never work again! " (unqote) only make you look as 'supporting' him, his derogatory remarks and his negativity towards this club as a whole!

As a former (albeit failed) politician, Adam should know far better than to 'joke' like that; particularly given the variety of the community he so disappointingly represented

Have no doubt that Adam Brown doesn't really give a flying fig for Vincent Tan or Cardiff City FC beyond either (or both) being tools with which to drive his personal and oft bitter agenda(s) forward

Your thoughts on Vincent Tan and what YOU believe he has done to Cardiff City Football Club are well-documented, but there are times when you simply need to look at the wider picture; and this IMHO is one such occasion!

So Sven, after reading your lengthy post, can you explain what you believe "the wider picture" is with this current issue? I see no "wider picture" issue with this incident to be honest, apart from the fact Tan has opened his trap accusing Whelan of being racist claiming Jews chase money more than most people (which they do)?

The wider picture is 'racism' full stop!

Doesn't matter what Tan said to the media (who deliberately went looking for him to comment) but it does matter that both Malky and now Whelan have let themselves down with through own actions!

Tan certainly didn't 'make' them do that, did he??

And Triesman gave some very valid points as to why (a) Malky should not be allowed back into football until any investigations are completed, and (b) why Whelan should also be investigated for his comments in the increasingly sensitive world we live in!

I may or may not agree with him, but from a 'professional' FA point of view it doesn't look good, does it??

And comments like "Jews chase money more than most (which they do)" single them out as being some sort of sycophants, when the reality is the bulk of the world's richest people are not of that background!

I think you're drastically wrong with that last statement Sven. The Jews own the majority of the big companies and the majority of the big banks, plus the Jews control the vast majority of the world press/media. So I think Dave Whelan has merely stated a fact which has been severely twisted into a racial comment. I find the whole thing totally embarrassing to be honest and Tan's involvement in this is even further embarrassing.

Hmmm, I think you'll find the Quakers started the major banks, certainly in this country (Barclays/Lloyds are good examples) much the same as Cadbury (also Quakers) started in the confectionery business, as they were restricted/limited to what they were able to do in those days!

You would, of course. see Tan's involvement as "embarrassing" and I accept that from you, as you are singularly focussed on him and anything he does. Ironically, the EXACT same thing you accuse tan of being with Malky!

No point in perpetuating this topic, as you have made it clear you think Tan is not allowed to say Whelan used potentially racist tones, whilst the footballing world is generally in agreement that Whelan should be "at least" investigated

I happen to take the opposite view to you, but then again I'm not all-consumed with the everyday actions of our temporary owner either!

Just a difference of opinions/values, I guess

If VT wants to make a credible statement about racism and antisemitism, then perhaps he should have looked a little nearer to home. Maybe starting with his close friend Mahathir Mohamad, the former Malaysian Prime Minister who awarded Tan the country's lottery rights in 1985 without holding an open tender (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25461616). The lottery revenue formed the core funding for Tan to invest in his other businesses. Nice 'seed funding' if you can get it.

So a bit more on his pal Mahathir Mohamed. "On 16 October 2003, shortly before he stepped down as prime minister, Mahathir said during a summit for the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) in Putrajaya, that:

We [Muslims] are actually very strong, 1.3 billion people cannot be simply wiped out. The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million [during the Holocaust]. But today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them. They invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong so they may enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now gained control of the most powerful countries. And they, this tiny community, have become a world power.

And from Malaysia Today we have heart-warming quotes from Mr Mohamed like "“Even after their massacre by the Nazis of Germany, they survived to continue to be a source of even greater problems for the world. The Holocaust failed as a final solution.” Here's the link: http://www.malaysia-today.net/dr-m-says ... lim-world/

And you will have no-doubt observed from the link the former Prime Minister is a 911 conspiracy theorist. There's plenty more on him with just a couple of searches.

So for VT to use this opportunity to get cheap publicity over Whelan whilst his close associate has gone on record as to being a racist and worse is incredible but sadly not surprising. And if these are the views of his intimate network, it's got me wondering what VT's views are on his friends Mohamed's comments on Jews and The West? If he was angry about Whelan and Malkay then he'll no doubt be furious about Mahathir Mohamad's comments.

Well, Well, Well. I suppose it was lucky that 'Dr M' Mahathir Mohamad was VT's guest for the Fulham game as opposed to Spurs. You'd think that VT would be furious about his friends racist comments given his recent statement about Whelan/Mackay & certainly wouldn't be parading him around the CCS, right? That would be double standards, surely?

He Does What He Wants - Mahathir Mohamad At CCS.jpg

Dr M, Tan & Olly.jpg

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Fair play, you have dug out some very interesting stuff there but it still doesn't get away from the fact that Malky Mackay wasn't texting in a general context some of the messages were directly aimed at staff/employees whom he was managing!!

[quote="GrangeEndStar"]Well, Well, Well. I suppose it was lucky that 'Dr M' Mahathir Mohamad was VT's guest for the Fulham game as opposed to Spurs. You'd think that VT would be furious about his friends racist comments given his recent statement about Whelan/Mackay & certainly wouldn't be parading him around the CCS, right? That would be double standards, surely?

He Does What He Wants - Mahathir Mohamad At CCS.jpg

Ladies and gentlemen - I'd like to introduce you to Cardiff city's latest signing! Surprised tan hasnt made Slade play this clown on a Saturday!