' CHED EVANS ? ? '

He should have made a statement today not next week. Even if he still doesn't feel he's guilty there is still a way he could have made a statement.

[quote="RFMH"

Innocent until proven guilty.
Guilty when proven.

Should not wear a Wales shirt unless this is overturned imho.

Tell that to the cardiff boys in the Lynnete White murder case, they were proven guilty but they were 100% innocent

[quote="RFMH"

Innocent until proven guilty.
Guilty when proven.

Should not wear a Wales shirt unless this is overturned imho.

Tell that to the cardiff boys in the Lynnete White murder case, they were proven guilty but they were 100% innocent

That was 30 years ago

[quote="RFMH"

Innocent until proven guilty.
Guilty when proven.

Should not wear a Wales shirt unless this is overturned imho.

Tell that to the cardiff boys in the Lynnete White murder case, they were proven guilty but they were 100% innocent

That was 30 years ago

Does time matter , just pointing out that you can be found guilty by a jury,but still be innocent, Woodville Willie does not seem to think so.

[quote="RFMH"

Innocent until proven guilty.
Guilty when proven.

Should not wear a Wales shirt unless this is overturned imho.

Tell that to the cardiff boys in the Lynnete White murder case, they were proven guilty but they were 100% innocent

That was 30 years ago

Does time matter , just pointing out that you can be found guilty by a jury,but still be innocent, Woodville Willie does not seem to think so.

[quote="RFMH"

Innocent until proven guilty.
Guilty when proven.

Should not wear a Wales shirt unless this is overturned imho.

Tell that to the cardiff boys in the Lynnete White murder case, they were proven guilty but they were 100% innocent

That was 30 years ago

Does time matter , just pointing out that you can be found guilty by a jury,but still be innocent, Woodville Willie does not seem to think so.

Yes it does matter because I would like to think that the mentally of juries have changed since those days.

As far as I'm concerned after reading about the case, and the files of the solicitor/ reporter who fought for the conviction to be overturned, he is innocent of rape.
Guilty or not guilty, he has served his time and since his job does not require him to take a CRB check, or should it be affected by him being on the sex offenders register, he should be allowed to start playing again. If anyone wants him.

Denzil, I'm with you, I followed the case as well and also he should be allowed to continue his career,just like anyone who commits a crime should be allowed a job once theyve served their time.

The legal case states there was evidence she consented to go in the room with his mate - hence why he was acquitted. As for Ched he just jumped in later - if she was non-consenting, or in a state not to consent then this is rape.

I have seen the video of her picking up a pizza which is quite telling as her her "non paralytic " state when she arrived at the hotel. However, there is no indication of her state when Ched arrived, and there is nothing to state she consented. Hence Ched is guilty of non-consenting sex hence rape.

We need to trust the legal system, this system states that he was guilty, it also states that when he has served his term he can rebuild his life.

So my view, cut the political correctness, the guy was convicted, he served his time, let him be.

The poor sod will get grilled at every match. I say "poor sod" because he has served his punishment so should no longer needs to be punished.

I have little time for the "rape is rape" argument. There is a difference between Rape with GBH and Rape with ambiguity.
It is possible to be convicted of rape following an ambiguity, Ched is proof of this.

My personal view is the guy was a dick. He did something I wouldn't do. There was ambiguity and he was finally convicted. He should have been more respectful.

Summed up nicely. If what Ched has been through doesn't change him, nothing will. He's had 2 years bird to think about things.

[quote="RFMH"

Innocent until proven guilty.
Guilty when proven.

Should not wear a Wales shirt unless this is overturned imho.

Tell that to the cardiff boys in the Lynnete White murder case, they were proven guilty but they were 100% innocent

That was 30 years ago

Does time matter , just pointing out that you can be found guilty by a jury,but still be innocent, Woodville Willie does not seem to think so.

That wasn't what I think, it was a statement of fact. I. The eyes of the law, when someone is found guilty, they are guilty. The fact is that at the moment, Ched is a convicted rapist. He has served half of his sentence and there is talk of allowing him to play for Wales.

The Lynette White murder case took place before CCTV, DNA profiling and many other technical advances. It is a stretch to compare the two and imply they are similar. Miscarriages of justice do occur, of course they do, but if you take it to the extreme, if a convicted paedophile protests his innocence after release, should he be allowed to represent our country or club? No!

Please stop implying that I am blinkered - Far from it! I'm looking at the wider picture where female fans may feel deeply offended by letting Ched carry on where he left off.

Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.

Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.

Do a bit of background reading into this case including the background and history of the complainant.

Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.

Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.

Do a bit of background reading into this case including the background and history of the complainant.

Tough call, but he probably should be allowed to do his job, although if be disgusted if Cardiff signed him.

Clearly guilty of rape and has shown zero contrition which is sad. But you can't expect much from a scum bag. International level should probably be avoided though, rapists don't deserve that privledge.

Do a bit of background reading into this case including the background and history of the complainant.

Do a bit of research into the effects and long-term damage that rape has on a "complainant" (or, to be more accurate here, the victim).

The background and history of the victim cannot, by your argument, be relevant because otherwise, Ched would never be allowed to play football again if you apply the same logic.

As far as I'm concerned after reading about the case, and the files of the solicitor/ reporter who fought for the conviction to be overturned, he is innocent of rape.
Guilty or not guilty, he has served his time and since his job does not require him to take a CRB check, or should it be affected by him being on the sex offenders register, he should be allowed to start playing again. If anyone wants him.

Denzil, I'm with you, I followed the case as well and also he should be allowed to continue his career,just like anyone who commits a crime should be allowed a job once theyve served their time.

As far as I'm concerned after reading about the case, and the files of the solicitor/ reporter who fought for the conviction to be overturned, he is innocent of rape.
Guilty or not guilty, he has served his time and since his job does not require him to take a CRB check, or should it be affected by him being on the sex offenders register, he should be allowed to start playing again. If anyone wants him.

Denzil, I'm with you, I followed the case as well and also he should be allowed to continue his career,just like anyone who commits a crime should be allowed a job once theyve served their time.

Annis I have kept an open mind on this but remmber graham rix ex arsenal and Chelsea star when he was charged with having sex with a girl under age he went to prison and he came back into the game as a coach even managed hearts .i know the the offences are different and don't forget in rix case the girl was consenting but it was still wrong .but the point I'm making is he was allowed to continue his career