All this Tan out

Probably one of the most bizarre threads I've ever come across...

In life, of course perspective is important, and when it really comes down to it why bother spending any emotional energy or money on something that essentially boils down to watching twenty two millionaires with little or no connection to Cardiff kicking around a bag of air?

That is the reality of it isn't it?

But, as all of us know only too well, supporting your local team is much more complicated than that. It is about community, shared passion, hope, expectation and a sense of belonging.

Only if people are genuinely willing to grasp those facts will they understand that the nonsense that has taken place over the past two years at Cardiff City FC is about much more than just the loss of a blue home shirt.

Club colours, badges, emblems, nicknames, club names, locations are all absolute fundamentals of any well established football club's identity. Tinker with any of those fundamentals and the attachment to and relationship with ones team is significantly altered and in some cases severed.

There have been lots of contributions in this thread talking down the importance of the above central tenets of a club's identity. Sure, lots of club's play in blue and lots of club's have seen their identity evolve over the years but in terms of British football there is no other example of a club that has undergone such a fundamental change to its core identity after such a long period of time as Cardiff City. Blue for 104 years and recognised up and down the country as the bluebirds for at least 90 years.

These are major changes.

The Cardiff City 'brand' was fundamentally altered two years ago and that continues to be the case. To argue otherwise is, at best, nonsensical and at worst completely disingenuous.

So, yes, we should all keep things in their proper perspective but people should never be castigated or humiliated for standing up in opposition against the destruction of a sizeable chunk of a local community institution that they feel passionate about.

Probably one of the most bizarre threads I've ever come across...

In life, of course perspective is important, and when it really comes down to it why bother spending any emotional energy or money on something that essentially boils down to watching twenty two millionaires with little or no connection to Cardiff kicking around a bag of air?

That is the reality of it isn't it?

But, as all of us know only too well, supporting your local team is much more complicated than that. It is about community, shared passion, hope, expectation and a sense of belonging.

Only if people are genuinely willing to grasp those facts will they understand that the nonsense that has taken place over the past two years at Cardiff City FC is about much more than just the loss of a blue home shirt.

Club colours, badges, emblems, nicknames, club names, locations are all absolute fundamentals of any well established football club's identity. Tinker with any of those fundamentals and the attachment to and relationship with ones team is significantly altered and in some cases severed.

There have been lots of contributions in this thread talking down the importance of the above central tenets of a club's identity. Sure, lots of club's play in blue and lots of club's have seen their identity evolve over the years but in terms of British football there is no other example of a club that has undergone such a fundamental change to its core identity after such a long period of time as Cardiff City. Blue for 104 years and recognised up and down the country as the bluebirds for at least 90 years.

These are major changes.

The Cardiff City 'brand' was fundamentally altered two years ago and that continues to be the case. To argue otherwise is, at best, nonsensical and at worst completely disingenuous.

So, yes, we should all keep things in their proper perspective but people should never be castigated or humiliated for standing up in opposition against the destruction of a sizeable chunk of a local community institution that they feel passionate about.

First, good post that, well written and reasoned

Second, I disagree with some it. You're saying:

Club colours, badges, emblems, nicknames, club names, locations are all absolute fundamentals of any well established football club's identity.

I wouldn't say they're all fundamental, some weigh up a lot more than some others. I don't accept that a club's name and location are as important as their badge or colour. If, for example, we were called 'Soccer Celts' and played at Monmouth then all the blue jerseys and bluebird badges in the world could NOT change the fact that we would be effectively a different club.

On the other hand, we've been playing in different colours every other week (away games) and never there was a Cardiff fan confusing the identity of the team that were playing in yellow or black or whatever else we've been wearing.

Blue for 104 years and recognised up and down the country as the bluebirds for at least 90 years.

We're still recognised as the bluebirds, the bluebird is still our nickname and it's on our badge. As for the blue, yes it's a culture shock bet let's not pretend for a moment that we had a monopoly on the colour or that we were the most famous club in it.

The Cardiff City 'brand' was fundamentally altered two years ago and that continues to be the case.

it was altered but not fundamentally. And it's not being altered any more.

So, yes, we should all keep things in their proper perspective but people should never be castigated or humiliated for standing up in opposition against the destruction of a sizeable chunk of a local community institution that they feel passionate about.

I don't think people in this thread are being castigated for standing up against what they believe has happened, it's more of a case of being castigated for being obsessively self-centered and hypocritically righteous. One thing that got me, for instance, was a poster complaining about the bad atmosphere in the stadium, while in the same paragraph encouraging a protest. So yes, sometimes a call for perspective is much needed.

I just think we are very unlucky. What other club attracts a billionaire who makes us a laughing stock.

Yes, everyone was laughing at us when we won the Championship (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when we took LIverpool to the limit at Wembley (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when we were playing in the PL (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when out red-seated stadium was on tellies around the world the other day (with Tan's money)
Everyone is laughing at us now that we're the favourite to win the Championship (with Tan's money)

we are so damn unlucky, Tan has ruined our club, why can't we attract a billionaire who doesn't make us a laughing stock, like the Venkys or Assem Allam or Gaydamak ??

Uh we were a laughing stock when we were in the premier.
Uh we are not favourites to win the chjampionahip now.
Uh Tan makes those three look not so funny.

Such a negative man

I started following city as a good day out with mates and cos the match day experience was brilliant

I didn't follow Cardiff city cos we played in blue and shirt colour means absolutely nothing to me, the badge is the only thing I don't like that tan has done as that is our identity people say blue is our identity it's not really it's just the colour of our shirt

I have been really looking forward to this season and I haven't for a while cos of all this rebrand bullshit

Re visit why you follow city and most will say what I have a great day out with mates of everyone went for those reasons the atmosphere would be far better

The reason this message board has gone to the dogs is because you and others on here can't look past a red shirt and it's bringing everyone down, tan isn't destroying the club it's supporters like yourself that can't accept that times have changed and the chances of this club returning to blue ever are very slim

I've accepted that and now really enjoying being back at games and just enjoying my day out like I used to years ago

I go to support the team like I used to club politics are up to the club and that's how it stays for me

Probably one of the most bizarre threads I've ever come across...

In life, of course perspective is important, and when it really comes down to it why bother spending any emotional energy or money on something that essentially boils down to watching twenty two millionaires with little or no connection to Cardiff kicking around a bag of air?

That is the reality of it isn't it?

But, as all of us know only too well, supporting your local team is much more complicated than that. It is about community, shared passion, hope, expectation and a sense of belonging.

Only if people are genuinely willing to grasp those facts will they understand that the nonsense that has taken place over the past two years at Cardiff City FC is about much more than just the loss of a blue home shirt.

Club colours, badges, emblems, nicknames, club names, locations are all absolute fundamentals of any well established football club's identity. Tinker with any of those fundamentals and the attachment to and relationship with ones team is significantly altered and in some cases severed.

There have been lots of contributions in this thread talking down the importance of the above central tenets of a club's identity. Sure, lots of club's play in blue and lots of club's have seen their identity evolve over the years but in terms of British football there is no other example of a club that has undergone such a fundamental change to its core identity after such a long period of time as Cardiff City. Blue for 104 years and recognised up and down the country as the bluebirds for at least 90 years.

These are major changes.

The Cardiff City 'brand' was fundamentally altered two years ago and that continues to be the case. To argue otherwise is, at best, nonsensical and at worst completely disingenuous.

So, yes, we should all keep things in their proper perspective but people should never be castigated or humiliated for standing up in opposition against the destruction of a sizeable chunk of a local community institution that they feel passionate about.

First, good post that, well written and reasoned

Second, I disagree with some it. You're saying:

Club colours, badges, emblems, nicknames, club names, locations are all absolute fundamentals of any well established football club's identity.

I wouldn't say they're all fundamental, some weigh up a lot more than some others. I don't accept that a club's name and location are as important as their badge or colour. If, for example, we were called 'Soccer Celts' and played at Monmouth then all the blue jerseys and bluebird badges in the world could NOT change the fact that we would be effectively a different club.

On the other hand, we've been playing in different colours every other week (away games) and never there was a Cardiff fan confusing the identity of the team that were playing in yellow or black or whatever else we've been wearing

Blue for 104 years and recognised up and down the country as the bluebirds for at least 90 years.

We're still recognised as the bluebirds, the bluebird is still our nickname and it's on our badge. As for the blue, yes it's a culture shock bet let's not pretend for a moment that we had a monopoly on the colour or that we were the most famous club in it.

The Cardiff City 'brand' was fundamentally altered two years ago and that continues to be the case.

it was altered but not fundamentally. And it's not being altered any more.

So, yes, we should all keep things in their proper perspective but people should never be castigated or humiliated for standing up in opposition against the destruction of a sizeable chunk of a local community institution that they feel passionate about.

I don't think people in this thread are being castigated for standing up against what they believe has happened, it's more of a case of being castigated for being obsessively self-centered and hypocritically righteous. One thing that got me, for instance, was a poster complaining about the bad atmosphere in the stadium, while in the same paragraph encouraging a protest. So yes, sometimes a call for perspective is much needed.

We'll have to agree to differ then because I think it's inconceivable that Liverpool could suddenly start playing in blue at home or that Chelsea could make a home switch to red. Colours over time, although clearly not exclusive to any particular club become absolutely embedded in a club's culture. They are bedrocks of any club's identity.

As regards the colours the club plays in away from home, well, they have always been largely irrelevant to me. I believe that most fans up and down the country would say the same.

In relation to your point regarding 'bluebirds,' the supporters and media still refer to Cardiff City as the bluebirds but the evident pressure put on Ali Yassine to no longer reference that name and, indeed, an extreme reluctance by the club on their website and through all official channels to use the word 'bluebird', makes it clear that the longer term goal is, indeed, the abandonment of that connection. It is, of course, still on the badge but quite literally as an afterthought. It's predominant place lost to a red dragon.

Regarding your final point, people have every right to protest and feel an innate sense of frustration at supporters who have hampered realistic opposition to the rebrand through a combination of apathy and in many cases actually embracing the bastardised identity that has been foisted on the club. There is no place for abuse but I can fully understand the sadness and frustration felt by those actively opposed to the rebrand. The desire to protest seems to bear a direct correlation to results on the pitch and that is a sad indictment of the wider supporter base.

Fans who want to protest must get used to the fact that a hell of a lot of fans, probably the majority don't want to and are happy just to go and watch the football, whatever colour we play in.Football is way down the list of priorities for most, understandable in today's economic climate.

Fans who want to protest must get used to the fact that a hell of a lot of fans, probably the majority don't want to and are happy just to go and watch the football, whatever colour we play in.Football is way down the list of priorities for most, understandable in today's economic climate.

I'd agree but with a caveat - It's abundantly clear that fans, in the main have no wish to protest while the team is doing ok on the pitch. Rebrand resistance only comes to the fore when results go awry. It's probably an uncomfortable truth for many but that's increasingly how it appears to be.

Fans who want to protest must get used to the fact that a hell of a lot of fans, probably the majority don't want to and are happy just to go and watch the football, whatever colour we play in.Football is way down the list of priorities for most, understandable in today's economic climate.

I'd agree but with a caveat - It's abundantly clear that fans, in the main have no wish to protest while the team is doing ok on the pitch. Rebrand resistance only comes to the fore when results go awry. It's probably an uncomfortable truth for many but that's increasingly how it appears to be.

Sadly Aflie that is the truth.

To me all Tan is doing is pressing on with the rebrand in the hope the resistance will die away. A winning team will certainly help his cause.

Some will say why doesn't he remove the bluebird or change the name. There is nothing stopping him. Well I believe this is on his mind and little by little he will make his moves until its too late.

Fans who want to protest must get used to the fact that a hell of a lot of fans, probably the majority don't want to and are happy just to go and watch the football, whatever colour we play in.Football is way down the list of priorities for most, understandable in today's economic climate.

I'd agree but with a caveat - It's abundantly clear that fans, in the main have no wish to protest while the team is doing ok on the pitch. Rebrand resistance only comes to the fore when results go awry. It's probably an uncomfortable truth for many but that's increasingly how it appears to be.

Sadly Aflie that is the truth.

To me all Tan is doing is pressing on with the rebrand in the hope the resistance will die away. A winning team will certainly help his cause.

Some will say why doesn't he remove the bluebird or change the name. There is nothing stopping him. Well I believe this is on his mind and little by little he will make his moves until its too late.

Probably one of the most bizarre threads I've ever come across...

In life, of course perspective is important, and when it really comes down to it why bother spending any emotional energy or money on something that essentially boils down to watching twenty two millionaires with little or no connection to Cardiff kicking around a bag of air?

That is the reality of it isn't it?

But, as all of us know only too well, supporting your local team is much more complicated than that. It is about community, shared passion, hope, expectation and a sense of belonging.

Only if people are genuinely willing to grasp those facts will they understand that the nonsense that has taken place over the past two years at Cardiff City FC is about much more than just the loss of a blue home shirt.

Club colours, badges, emblems, nicknames, club names, locations are all absolute fundamentals of any well established football club's identity. Tinker with any of those fundamentals and the attachment to and relationship with ones team is significantly altered and in some cases severed.

There have been lots of contributions in this thread talking down the importance of the above central tenets of a club's identity. Sure, lots of club's play in blue and lots of club's have seen their identity evolve over the years but in terms of British football there is no other example of a club that has undergone such a fundamental change to its core identity after such a long period of time as Cardiff City. Blue for 104 years and recognised up and down the country as the bluebirds for at least 90 years.

These are major changes.

The Cardiff City 'brand' was fundamentally altered two years ago and that continues to be the case. To argue otherwise is, at best, nonsensical and at worst completely disingenuous.

So, yes, we should all keep things in their proper perspective but people should never be castigated or humiliated for standing up in opposition against the destruction of a sizeable chunk of a local community institution that they feel passionate about.

Great post and well written.

I just think we are very unlucky. What other club attracts a billionaire who makes us a laughing stock.

Yes, everyone was laughing at us when we won the Championship (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when we took LIverpool to the limit at Wembley (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when we were playing in the PL (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when out red-seated stadium was on tellies around the world the other day (with Tan's money)
Everyone is laughing at us now that we're the favourite to win the Championship (with Tan's money)

we are so damn unlucky, Tan has ruined our club, why can't we attract a billionaire who doesn't make us a laughing stock, like the Venkys or Assem Allam or Gaydamak ??

Uh we were a laughing stock when we were in the premier.
Uh we are not favourites to win the chjampionahip now.
Uh Tan makes those three look not so funny.

Such a negative man

I started following city as a good day out with mates and cos the match day experience was brilliant

I didn't follow Cardiff city cos we played in blue and shirt colour means absolutely nothing to me, the badge is the only thing I don't like that tan has done as that is our identity people say blue is our identity it's not really it's just the colour of our shirt

I have been really looking forward to this season and I haven't for a while cos of all this rebrand bullshit

Re visit why you follow city and most will say what I have a great day out with mates of everyone went for those reasons the atmosphere would be far better

The reason this message board has gone to the dogs is because you and others on here can't look past a red shirt and it's bringing everyone down, tan isn't destroying the club it's supporters like yourself that can't accept that times have changed and the chances of this club returning to blue ever are very slim

I've accepted that and now really enjoying being back at games and just enjoying my day out like I used to years ago

I go to support the team like I used to club politics are up to the club and that's how it stays for me

Well, that's good to know that the major changes to the football club's identity have had next to no impact on you personally. I'm pleased for you.

I'm sure that we'd all agree with your point that none of us started following Cardiff City because they were a blue club. If we did, then that would be an irrational reason to decide to support the club, or any club for that matter.

But, here is the tricky part, in the same way that Celtics identity is inextricably tied up with the colour green, Villa's with claret and blue, Newcastle's with black and white, I'm afraid, that Cardiff City's is indelibly intertwined with the colour blue. For 104 years to be precise. Think about that for a moment...when your great grandfather and great uncles packed their bags to go to the Western Front, City had already been a blue club for almost a decade. Indeed, the club's nickname and very long standing emblem even references the colour that the team (should) play in.

Now, I meant it in my opening paragraph, I'm pleased for you that Cardiff City losing a large slice of its identity is of no significance to you, but I would politely suggest that others have a polar opposite opinion to you and it is equally legitimate.

So, I would call on you to think again before labelling long standing, passionate supporters who have been the lifeblood of this club for decades as "negative," and getting caught up in the "rebrand bullshit."

I just think we are very unlucky. What other club attracts a billionaire who makes us a laughing stock.

Yes, everyone was laughing at us when we won the Championship (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when we took LIverpool to the limit at Wembley (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when we were playing in the PL (with Tan's money)
Everyone was laughing at us when out red-seated stadium was on tellies around the world the other day (with Tan's money)
Everyone is laughing at us now that we're the favourite to win the Championship (with Tan's money)

we are so damn unlucky, Tan has ruined our club, why can't we attract a billionaire who doesn't make us a laughing stock, like the Venkys or Assem Allam or Gaydamak ??

Uh we were a laughing stock when we were in the premier.
Uh we are not favourites to win the chjampionahip now.
Uh Tan makes those three look not so funny.

Such a negative man

I started following city as a good day out with mates and cos the match day experience was brilliant

I didn't follow Cardiff city cos we played in blue and shirt colour means absolutely nothing to me, the badge is the only thing I don't like that tan has done as that is our identity people say blue is our identity it's not really it's just the colour of our shirt

I have been really looking forward to this season and I haven't for a while cos of all this rebrand bullshit

Re visit why you follow city and most will say what I have a great day out with mates of everyone went for those reasons the atmosphere would be far better

The reason this message board has gone to the dogs is because you and others on here can't look past a red shirt and it's bringing everyone down, tan isn't destroying the club it's supporters like yourself that can't accept that times have changed and the chances of this club returning to blue ever are very slim

I've accepted that and now really enjoying being back at games and just enjoying my day out like I used to years ago

I go to support the team like I used to club politics are up to the club and that's how it stays for me

Well, that's good to know that the major changes to the football club's identity have had next to no impact on you personally. I'm pleased for you.

I'm sure that we'd all agree with your point that none of us started following Cardiff City because they were a blue club. If we did, then that would be an irrational reason to decide to support the club, or any club for that matter.

But, here is the tricky part, in the same way that Celtics identity is inextricably tied up with the colour green, Villa's with claret and blue, Newcastle's with black and white, I'm afraid, that Cardiff City's is indelibly intertwined with the colour blue. For 104 years to be precise. Think about that for a moment...when your great grandfather and great uncles packed their bags to go to the Western Front, City had already been a blue club for almost a decade. Indeed, the club's nickname and very long standing emblem even references the colour that the team (should) play in.

Now, I meant it in my opening paragraph, I'm pleased for you that Cardiff City losing a large slice of its identity is of no significance to you, but I would politely suggest that others have a polar opposite opinion to you and it is equally legitimate.

So, I would call on you to think again before labelling long standing, passionate supporters who have been the lifeblood of this club for decades as "negative," and getting caught up in the "rebrand bullshit."

They are negative they don't bent this frustration In a productive way at all

Just come on message boards doing the same subject to death

Whilst tan is in charge we will remain red it's that simple why not try and do something about it?

Ie look for a person to head a consortium to buy him out with the promise of a return to blue?

That's realistically the only way he will leave unless we get promoted again and he sells for his money back

But you also have to ask yourself will the next owner return is to blue? My opinion probably not

Will the next owner decide to bankroll us as tan is or will they asset strip to reduce costs and put us back in the shit?

I am not against you being pro blue at all it's synonymous to the club as you say but a colour doesn't take away any history we have etc that will always remain us going busy would have destroyed that history and I'll always be grateful to tan for saving is at the 11th hour when NO ONE else would

He's done more good than bad for this club to date and one day people will realise that sometimes it's better the devil you know in life seen it many times before and I'll see it again

You have your opinion and I have mine I respect your view as well but for me the survival of the club takes over the colour of a shirt

Whilst we remain Cardiff city football club I will still continue to attend games and enjoy my day out