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Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:30 am

DrDre wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
DrDre wrote:We do know how much was paid out: less than Malky wanted and felt was entitled to.

Most likely was less than what Malky claimed for but so what. A bit like trying to sell your house. You put it on the market at a high price knowing that you will get less but something near what you really thing it is worth. Same applies to court litigation. Those who say Malky got nothing....well I wonder if they would put their mortgage on it?


And what if you suddenly decide to take your house off the market? Because this is the equivalent of what Malky did. Combined with the the public grovelling he did, I'm prepared to bet good money that Malky got f**k all.

Bakedalasker wrote:
DrDre wrote:The agreement was that Malky apologises for any mistakes and gives up on litigation.

No it was not. Malky apologise for offending anyone and that is what he did.


So....you think that the public grovelling to Tan was just a coincidence ?!? Nothing to do with the settlement? And Malky apologised for mistakes , even though he didn't make any? :laughing6:

Bakedalasker wrote:
DrDre wrote:Now I like Malky and I think he's a decent Championship manager. But to claim there wasn't any wrongdoing from him in the face of this evidence is just being in denial. Just because you don't like Tan, doesn't mean he's always wrong.

And exactly what evidence have you of him doing any wrong? Nothing just like the rest who have a bee in the bonnet about Malky.


as I've said before, the evidence is:

Malky's humiliating apology
Malky giving up on his claim
Malky overlooked for Norwich and Celtic

And for the record, I don't have a bee in my bonnet about Malky. I have a bee in my bonnet about people being anti-Ole and pro-Malky so that they can have a go at Tan.


And what if you suddenly decide to take your house off the market? Because this is the equivalent of what Malky did. Combined with the the public grovelling he did, I'm prepared to bet good money that Malky got f**k all.

Fair enough

So....you think that the public grovelling to Tan was just a coincidence ?!? Nothing to do with the settlement? And Malky apologised for mistakes , even though he didn't make any? :laughing6:

Never said he did not make mistakes and no I dont think the apology was a coincidence. I would say it was part of the settlement knowing how Tan is showing to be a stubborn character. The words used by Malky got under Tans skin hence why Tan went public. Quite amusing that was.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:38 am

Bakedalasker: blablablablabla

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:40 am

redstuff wrote:Bakedalasker: blablablablabla


And?

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:47 am

It's all what's butts ifs and maybes.

If MM had stayed then maybe we would have not been relegated.

What if he had kept us up, then maybe a Spurs or a Southampton would have got him, and we still would have had to look else where, all be it in the premier league.

And maybe we still would have got relegated under MM and then maybe Tan would have got rid of him then.

And what if MM had kept us up and convinced VT to change us to blue for this season.

Butt, none of the above did happen, and whilst I don't believe any of us will exactly know what went on the fact is that MM has gone and we need to move on as one - whether we like the way the club is run or not, the relevant thing is that we are all supporters of Cardiff City FC and therefore as the decision is not ours to which manager is running our club then surely we should support them, as after all they are trying for us the fans and supporters of the club that employes them.

So let's all move on as OGS has my full support and I hope he has yours also.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:48 am

Bakedalasker wrote:Never said he did not make mistakes and no I dont think the apology was a coincidence. I would say it was part of the settlement knowing how Tan is showing to be a stubborn character. The words used by Malky got under Tans skin hence why Tan went public. Quite amusing that was.


I bet it wasn't amusing for Malky!

Point is, people who get sacked from their job make humble public apologies and renounce any litigation only if their employer has some strong evidence of wrongdoing on their behalf. If you can't see that then you're just letting your hate of Tan cloud your reasoning and common sense.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:50 am

The compensation claim was dropped by Malky when another Premier League job came up, which he was favourite for wanted to make himself available for. West Brom I think. Malky could not rightly claim for unpaid wages if he was to be employed by another club. Unlike Dave Jones claiming his CCFC payout for a year while on the golf course, Malky decided he wanted to get back in the game instead of leaching CCFC for cash - The opposite of what many CCFC fans now believe.

As for the apology. You can read it two ways...

1. Why do it? He must be guilty of something.

2. He is a diplomatic man who attempted to show he was the bigger person. Malky's public performances and interviews are always ernestly positive and this statement is in line with the character we always knew.

In retrospect I think the 'apology' has totally back-fired on Malky and has lit the fire for people who want to believe in some kind of conspiracy.

If Malky was guilty of bungs, the tabloids would be all over it! Think about it.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:51 am

DrDre wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:Never said he did not make mistakes and no I dont think the apology was a coincidence. I would say it was part of the settlement knowing how Tan is showing to be a stubborn character. The words used by Malky got under Tans skin hence why Tan went public. Quite amusing that was.


I bet it wasn't amusing for Malky!

Point is, people who get sacked from their job make humble public apologies and renounce any litigation only if their employer has some strong evidence of wrongdoing on their behalf. If you can't see that then you're just letting your hate of Tan cloud your reasoning and common sense.


Not at all.

As I said most cases get settled outside court. In fact if Tan has something on Malky why did he not pursue it. I mean he is the man with the dough.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:54 am

GOOD LUCK TO MALKY :thumbright: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

I hope he gets the job :ayatollah:

By Stephen Donovan
Saturday 16 August 2014

Former Watford and Cardiff City manager Malky Mackay is keen to take over at Crystal Palace and replace Tony Pulis, who left by mutual consent on Thursday, according to BBC Sport.



Pulis ended his reign suddenly after a meeting with co-chairman Steve Parish, with the duo reportedly disagreeing on a number of issues concerning the club. He had led them to 11th place in the Premier League last season, and they begin the new campaign away to Arsenal on Saturday, with Keith Millen taking caretaker charge.

Since Thursday’s news, Mackay has been the clear favourite to take over. He knows head of recruitment Iain Moody well, having worked with him at both his previous clubs, and is looking to get back into management. The chance to do that at a Premier League has made him extremely interested in the role.

Palace could approach Mackay over the vacancy as early as the coming week. The Scot has been out of work since he sacked by Cardiff in December 2013 due to a public dispute with owner Vincent Tan. That was despite guiding them into the top-flight the previous season.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:59 am

Exactly Annis.

Your continued and consistent support of Malky says a lot. I feel the same.

Good luck Malky. Hope you get treated better at CPFC.

Fist bump.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:09 am

Otto wrote:The compensation claim was dropped by Malky when another Premier League job came up, which he was favourite for wanted to make himself available for. West Brom I think. Malky could not rightly claim for unpaid wages if he was to be employed by another club.


What?? Of course he could! Being in a legal dispute with an ex-employer doesn't prevent you from being employed by a new employer. I know this first-hand.


Otto wrote:If Malky was guilty of bungs, the tabloids would be all over it! Think about it.


Not unless they want to risk getting sued the crap out of. Not if Tan has all the evidence and Malky says "please don't publish that and I'll grovel in public to you and drop my compensation claim". Think about it.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:42 am

DrDre wrote:
Otto wrote:The compensation claim was dropped by Malky when another Premier League job came up, which he was favourite for wanted to make himself available for. West Brom I think. Malky could not rightly claim for unpaid wages if he was to be employed by another club.


What?? Of course he could! Being in a legal dispute with an ex-employer doesn't prevent you from being employed by a new employer. I know this first-hand.


I believe you if you say you've had a similar experience but it is not the same. Malky was suing for unpaid wages for the dates post sacking. He wasn't entitled to do so if those 'unpaid wages' were replaced by new employment. Which obviously he could not have taken up had he been still employed by CCFC.

DrDre wrote:
Otto wrote:If Malky was guilty of bungs, the tabloids would be all over it! Think about it.


Not unless they want to risk getting sued the crap out of. Not if Tan has all the evidence and Malky says "please don't publish that and I'll grovel in public to you and drop my compensation claim". Think about it.


Yes, this is one way of looking at it. I have stated that I see it another way. Both of us are drawing conclusions based on not knowing all the facts.

I don't think we are going to change each other's minds on any of this.

Re: ' Malky Mackay '

Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:38 pm

Much as I was a MM fan, and admit I used to wait for the fist pump, personally I think Malky and Moody were either guilty of corruption or incompetence. All their experience and contacts were mid championship level, so could be either, although Moody trying to get hold of our team sheet tells us all we need to know about his morals.
Palace not trusting Pullis in the transfer is the biggest laugh for me. They would rather trust Moody. If they have Malky there as well then they are going to be wide open. They may even end up with a debt as big as ours at the end of it - fingers crossed he goes there.