IT IS YOUR CALL, WHAT DO YOU DO ?

The club would have already submitted it's colours for next season to the Football League so unless the club make an application to change colours and the FL approve it the opportunity for changing next season are pretty slim. The club are however allowed to play one home match each season in the registered "Away" playing strip. The one match in our away "Blue" strip should be the very first point on which any discussions take place.

The club should agree to this, at the very least, and the match should be decided by a ballot of season ticket holders. If the club is not prepared to agree to this then there is nothing to discuss because, in my opinion, it was be clear that VT has not been sincere in looking "For a compromise".

Going forward I cannot see VT agreeing to any position where "Red" is not included in the home strip and we may have accept a Blue / Red playing strip but as has been suggested a "Red / Blue" away kit.

I've never been a great advocate of the badge or club crest but there should be no compromise on getting rid of the Dragon and returning the "Bluebird" to it's rightful prominent position. As far as I'm concerned the badge or club crest could be redesigned and again any new design to be agreed by a ballot of season ticket holders.

Agree with you on the badge.

Good knowledge on the football league ruling, but they would be bonkers to deny us an exception to the rule for the PR havoc it could cause. I'm sure if VT offered a change for this one season as I have suggested above (on page 2), our club would not be denied.

The club would have already submitted it's colours for next season to the Football League so unless the club make an application to change colours and the FL approve it the opportunity for changing next season are pretty slim. The club are however allowed to play one home match each season in the registered "Away" playing strip. The one match in our away "Blue" strip should be the very first point on which any discussions take place.

The club should agree to this, at the very least, and the match should be decided by a ballot of season ticket holders. If the club is not prepared to agree to this then there is nothing to discuss because, in my opinion, it was be clear that VT has not been sincere in looking "For a compromise".

Going forward I cannot see VT agreeing to any position where "Red" is not included in the home strip and we may have accept a Blue / Red playing strip but as has been suggested a "Red / Blue" away kit.

I've never been a great advocate of the badge or club crest but there should be no compromise on getting rid of the Dragon and returning the "Bluebird" to it's rightful prominent position. As far as I'm concerned the badge or club crest could be redesigned and again any new design to be agreed by a ballot of season ticket holders.

Agree with you on the badge.

Good knowledge on the football league ruling, but they would be bonkers to deny us an exception to the rule for the PR havoc it could cause. I'm sure if VT offered a change for this one season as I have suggested above (on page 2), our club would not be denied.

agree...........cant imagine in my widest dreams the FA. or Football League,saying no to a colour change......

The club would have already submitted it's colours for next season to the Football League so unless the club make an application to change colours and the FL approve it the opportunity for changing next season are pretty slim. The club are however allowed to play one home match each season in the registered "Away" playing strip. The one match in our away "Blue" strip should be the very first point on which any discussions take place.

The club should agree to this, at the very least, and the match should be decided by a ballot of season ticket holders. If the club is not prepared to agree to this then there is nothing to discuss because, in my opinion, it was be clear that VT has not been sincere in looking "For a compromise".

Going forward I cannot see VT agreeing to any position where "Red" is not included in the home strip and we may have accept a Blue / Red playing strip but as has been suggested a "Red / Blue" away kit.

I've never been a great advocate of the badge or club crest but there should be no compromise on getting rid of the Dragon and returning the "Bluebird" to it's rightful prominent position. As far as I'm concerned the badge or club crest could be redesigned and again any new design to be agreed by a ballot of season ticket holders.

A very good post once again from Gary aka Castleblue, I have to agree with most of that Gary

Original badge back on the table then talk about compromise. Badge is more important than colour blue or red!!!!

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The club would have already submitted it's colours for next season to the Football League so unless the club make an application to change colours and the FL approve it the opportunity for changing next season are pretty slim. The club are however allowed to play one home match each season in the registered "Away" playing strip. The one match in our away "Blue" strip should be the very first point on which any discussions take place.

The club should agree to this, at the very least, and the match should be decided by a ballot of season ticket holders. If the club is not prepared to agree to this then there is nothing to discuss because, in my opinion, it was be clear that VT has not been sincere in looking "For a compromise".

Going forward I cannot see VT agreeing to any position where "Red" is not included in the home strip and we may have accept a Blue / Red playing strip but as has been suggested a "Red / Blue" away kit.

I've never been a great advocate of the badge or club crest but there should be no compromise on getting rid of the Dragon and returning the "Bluebird" to it's rightful prominent position. As far as I'm concerned the badge or club crest could be redesigned and again any new design to be agreed by a ballot of season ticket holders.

Agree with you on the badge.

Good knowledge on the football league ruling, but they would be bonkers to deny us an exception to the rule for the PR havoc it could cause. I'm sure if VT offered a change for this one season as I have suggested above (on page 2), our club would not be denied.

agree...........cant imagine in my widest dreams the FA. or Football League,saying no to a colour change......

It is of course possible that the FL would agree to any request from the club to change colours and it would only be if they declined the request that the club could appeal the decision to the FA. In my experience, and I do have some, that any "League" would be loathe to not apply the "Rules of thier competition" as that is a certain way to lose any subsequent appeal.

Also when it comes to the "Rules of the competition" the FA approve the rules of each and every league or cup competition where the league is affiliated to the FA. Again, in my opinion, the FA may be loathe to agreeing to make a ruling which approves breaking a rule they have accepted.

If you were to ask me if the FL should allow our club to play at home in blue and in red away then I would say yes because it would still involve the registered colours. But in my experience organisations like the FL & FA don't always do the simple or rights things.

Just reverse the strips. Kits as they are, blue home and red away. That would do for a start and would be realitively simple to implement. We can work on the badge later.

If I had the chance to meet VT the first thing I'd try to do is somehow get the man onside. We need Tan to compromise and at the end of the day he will always have the final say. There would be no point going into a meeting with him and saying fck you and your red shirt and you can stick the beer mat up your arse. Best to look to a simple solution and work with it.

I like the simplicity of this compromise.....good shout from The Don.

Assuming Tan is just planning to meet reps of this board and not the Supporters Trust, you should politely decline the meeting and suggest he meets those representitives who have been democratically elected from the Supporters Trust.

I didn't vote anyone in to The Supporters Trust, fella, so they don't represent me one iota!

I'd rather have the frank and open dialogue suggested buy this thread any day, than a political-style meeting where each side postures for weeks on end before putting out statements that are (shall we say) 'guarded' at best and often nonsensical in their information!

Wouldn't expect you to understand that, of course, because YOU have an agenda on your rival club's Forum to point out the obvious at all times; hence, no real credibility with which to have an opinion

You had the opportunity to vote, and indeed stand as a representative of your Trust and until you, as a fanbase, realise the only way to get properly heard is with a united voice through the democratically elected Supporters Trust, you won't get anywhere.

Unfortunately for you, there appear to be far too many egos out to represent themselves and perpetuate the old "Inner Circle" and while that continues, your fanbase who will continue to be fragmented and any argument put forward will have no credibility.

Just my opinion, which as you state is obvious.

The club would have already submitted it's colours for next season to the Football League so unless the club make an application to change colours and the FL approve it the opportunity for changing next season are pretty slim. The club are however allowed to play one home match each season in the registered "Away" playing strip. The one match in our away "Blue" strip should be the very first point on which any discussions take place.

The club should agree to this, at the very least, and the match should be decided by a ballot of season ticket holders. If the club is not prepared to agree to this then there is nothing to discuss because, in my opinion, it was be clear that VT has not been sincere in looking "For a compromise".

Going forward I cannot see VT agreeing to any position where "Red" is not included in the home strip and we may have accept a Blue / Red playing strip but as has been suggested a "Red / Blue" away kit.

I've never been a great advocate of the badge or club crest but there should be no compromise on getting rid of the Dragon and returning the "Bluebird" to it's rightful prominent position. As far as I'm concerned the badge or club crest could be redesigned and again any new design to be agreed by a ballot of season ticket holders.

Agree with you on the badge.

Good knowledge on the football league ruling, but they would be bonkers to deny us an exception to the rule for the PR havoc it could cause. I'm sure if VT offered a change for this one season as I have suggested above (on page 2), our club would not be denied.

agree...........cant imagine in my widest dreams the FA. or Football League,saying no to a colour change......

It is of course possible that the FL would agree to any request from the club to change colours and it would only be if they declined the request that the club could appeal the decision to the FA. In my experience, and I do have some, that any "League" would be loathe to not apply the "Rules of thier competition" as that is a certain way to lose any subsequent appeal.

Also when it comes to the "Rules of the competition" the FA approve the rules of each and every league or cup competition where the league is affiliated to the FA. Again, in my opinion, the FA may be loathe to agreeing to make a ruling which approves breaking a rule they have accepted.

If you were to ask me if the FL should allow our club to play at home in blue and in red away then I would say yes because it would still involve the registered colours. But in my experience organisations like the FL & FA don't always do the simple or rights things.

i know what your saying about it being more difficult to apply the rule if they made an exception .......but it is an exception......they would look ridiculous if it were them that stood in the way of us playing in traditional colours.

If either party goes in there looking for the "we win you lose outcome" then this will fail and probably make the situation worse. That is the problem with negotiations, people start with "yes but I'm right, I don't need to negotiate" and everything is emotional. We also have to be respectful to Mr Tan as it is his money we're playing with. We also need to have the "respect" conversation as it goes both ways, it is difficult for us to understand his culture and for him to understand ours, not that one is right and the other wrong! We also need to remember that what has happened has happened, anyone own a time machine, well let's draw a line in the sand and move forward. Understand the decisions and their motives, then move forward to make us better than we were yesterday!!!

Start with the positives:

What do we agree on?

1) We all want success on the field? Yes or No
2) We all want financial security for the club? Yes or No
3) We all want a united club - players, fans and management? Yes or No

So Mr Tan is delivering on 1) we have been to the Premier League and he has allowed recruits to come in to mount a challenge for next year. As we know many clubs struggle in their first season in the premier league. Pretty much we've been to our highest league position in recent history!

On point 2 assuming we agree, where are we on debt to equity, is Mr Tan still in this for the long run. Does he still feel the same way about the club as he did two years ago, if not why not? What could we do to put that right? Take the emotion out of it and solve the problem, what would make him fall in love with the club again...

On point 3 we need to talk calmly about the rebrand and use data to drive the decisions. Has it provided greater financial stability to the club? Is it delivering growth for the club outside of the promotion cash? What was Mr Tan trying to achieve by turning red? If it was luck are there different ways of incorporating red in to our club to respect the beliefs of our owners culture but still maintain the blue kit... Do we have any ideas to take in with us... Red numbers on the shirts (white squares), certain lucky numbers red... 8, completely red stadium seats, red stadium, red car park, we come out on a red carpet with red track suits on, red bloody grass, name the stadium lucky red etc etc.

Then there is the red/blue kit option if it gets to that, can we run a competition to get the fans ideas and then vote on which kit we want, criteria would have to be set e.g. Minimum of 40% red etc.

So why do all this this and keep calm whilst doing it, because we all agree on the three points!!!

Finally accept if there is a compromise we'll never please everyone!

Can I come I'd love to have a chat with him

Fans need to sit down with Tan and talk

Assuming Tan is just planning to meet reps of this board and not the Supporters Trust, you should politely decline the meeting and suggest he meets those representitives who have been democratically elected from the Supporters Trust.

I didn't vote anyone in to The Supporters Trust, fella, so they don't represent me one iota!

I'd rather have the frank and open dialogue suggested buy this thread any day, than a political-style meeting where each side postures for weeks on end before putting out statements that are (shall we say) 'guarded' at best and often nonsensical in their information!

Wouldn't expect you to understand that, of course, because YOU have an agenda on your rival club's Forum to point out the obvious at all times; hence, no real credibility with which to have an opinion

You had the opportunity to vote, and indeed stand as a representative of your Trust and until you, as a fanbase, realise the only way to get properly heard is with a united voice through the democratically elected Supporters Trust, you won't get anywhere.

Unfortunately for you, there appear to be far too many egos out to represent themselves and perpetuate the old "Inner Circle" and while that continues, your fanbase who will continue to be fragmented and any argument put forward will have no credibility.

Just my opinion, which as you state is obvious.

I agree to some extent and that is an issue where some very vocal intransigents are concerned

Luckily for you, at YOUR club there is only ONE ego; that of your Chairman, Syr Huw ap Jenkins

However, I repeat the Supporters Trust DO NOT represent me in any way, shape or form and I would far more prefer that a meeting took place with down-to-earth supporters who are able to relay proceedings to the fans without the need to be secretive and/or be selective with their words. I trust the likes of Annis and his ilk to do that, as they know what it is like to have it done to them!

The trouble with your "opinions" is that they will ALWAYS be viewed with a strong measure of mistrust because of your allegiance to a certain other club and anything you write will be seen as mischievous

It's not personal, although I am generally NOT a fan of the Jacks on here. I see nothing but gloating and mischief from most (not all) of those who are regularly on this Forum and (put simply) I see no other reason for you to be here, even if your own Forums are apparently (because I don't read them) rubbish