What has Vincent Tan ever done for us????

Was asked to post this in a thread all of it's own so here it goes;

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

There's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.

At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

Stadium expansion not needed or asked for.Civil war firmly under way within the club. Club and supporters humiliated at home and across the world.Old friends have fallen out over the stupidity of Tan.Shame brought on Malaysia by Tan.Old enemies of Tan in Malaysia sharpening their knives.Tourism to Malaysia damaged to a small percent by people taring all Malaysians with the same brush as the Idiot Tan.A true Bluebird like Steve Borley turned from a hero to a villain in the eyes of many fellow fans.Ect ect ect ect.TAN OUT.

agree with some of this...

but if any 'old friends have fallen out over a shirt colour then they need to get their f*cking priorities straight. same goes to those who have physically fought (or intimidated) those on the other side of the argument

Sad to say i did row with an old friend at the scarfgate game.Me in my Blue' him in his red.I will personally bake him some humble pie on the Day the Blue returns.We will win Mr Tan.We will win. :bluescarf :bluescarf

I have mates who have differing views about Tan but if you think I'm gonna ruin a friendship over it you've got another thing coming.

If I was you I'd take a step back and think again, life is too short.

As for your other points about Malaysia, that has nothing to do with us! If Tan wants to argue with his countrymen so be it.


I agree with all Natmans points and I also agree with some of Barry's even if his delivery of them winds me up.

There is no doubt he has caused a rift between fans, caused a bad atmosphere at the ground and has had a disregard for the history of our club, but what pisses me off is that that people are always so black and white about it! Why can't people take every situation according to its own merit instead of playing goodies and baddies?

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and traditions.But when a person comes into any group or country and rams those beliefs and traditions down the thought's of those already there he becomes a dictator.Tan is a dictator.Like any other.Dictators have their supporters'no doubt.But when dictators fall'as fall they always do'what happens to their supporters.Natman is entitled to his views'as are you.But to support a bully and a dictator like Tan'is in my view wrong.

Mate I love football and Cardiff City and my missus calls it my obsession and it has caused many arguments in my house, but your language seems to indicate that you've lost a little touch with reality.
However much I love my club, when I step back I like to think that I know that it's just football. The language of your post here makes me wonder if you see Vincent Tan in the same light as ICIS or Al Queada!!!

really frightening.........the hatred seems to grow within them, and its not about the Blue......its hate for hates sake

Drama queen alert!

It is about the blue.
And the badge.
Not Tan.

Vincent Tan

Has stripped Cardiff City of its Identity, Colour and Badge, to me that alone out ways anything good he could now possible ever do for our club, without Identity,Cardiff City to me is dwindling away and hurting more and more. Tan has taken our identity away, to me that is it full stop, he has taken the pride and love away from my club after 43 years of worshipping City, nothing will ever put that right, only the return to our true identity in my eyes

Has divided our fan base more than it has ever been

Divided the fans even on match days in the stadium

Lost many many loyal fans who really cant take it anymore and are deeply hurt and wont return till he has gone

Made us a world wide laughing stock in the media

Our debt has just gone higher and higher and now so high, prob harder now to sell than ever

Promised to make us Debt Free two years ago, then said he would do it in days

Has only ever lent us the money

Season ticket sales are at there lowest for 3 years

Merchandise sales are at there lowest for years

Our brand now is less sailable than ever

Got us relegated after all the divide and promises, we are now back in the Championship, was it all really worth it? for me 100% a Def NO

we were no in anyway divided until the anti tan stuff started.................everyone was to different degrees living with red while wanting blue....no one argues red is better..no one/
no third party is chasing us for money..unmanageable and crippling keep being used by fans,not the board or the owner,not by some financial expert but by fans.....................had debt been converted to equity 2 years ago we would have amassed debt since......
as for selling the club.........its his money and his loans......if he chooses he could sell the club to you tomorrow for a quid and no debt, so no
he decides the price..and if he wants to write off a portion or not..........
season tickets are down.......partly red..partly relegation { happens at every club } partly the arguing amongst fans....
merchandise ,well carl reckons down 1.5 million............the rebrand has failed......
100% failed, so why hasnt a top business man seen its failed and reverted back???
one reason only.................people wanting a pissing contest

Was asked to post this in a thread all of it's own so here it goes;

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

There's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.

At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

Stadium expansion not needed or asked for.Civil war firmly under way within the club. Club and supporters humiliated at home and across the world.Old friends have fallen out over the stupidity of Tan.Shame brought on Malaysia by Tan.Old enemies of Tan in Malaysia sharpening their knives.Tourism to Malaysia damaged to a small percent by people taring all Malaysians with the same brush as the Idiot Tan.A true Bluebird like Steve Borley turned from a hero to a villain in the eyes of many fellow fans.Ect ect ect ect.TAN OUT.

agree with some of this...

but if any 'old friends have fallen out over a shirt colour then they need to get their f*cking priorities straight. same goes to those who have physically fought (or intimidated) those on the other side of the argument

Sad to say i did row with an old friend at the scarfgate game.Me in my Blue' him in his red.I will personally bake him some humble pie on the Day the Blue returns.We will win Mr Tan.We will win. :bluescarf :bluescarf

I have mates who have differing views about Tan but if you think I'm gonna ruin a friendship over it you've got another thing coming.

If I was you I'd take a step back and think again, life is too short.

As for your other points about Malaysia, that has nothing to do with us! If Tan wants to argue with his countrymen so be it.


I agree with all Natmans points and I also agree with some of Barry's even if his delivery of them winds me up.

There is no doubt he has caused a rift between fans, caused a bad atmosphere at the ground and has had a disregard for the history of our club, but what pisses me off is that that people are always so black and white about it! Why can't people take every situation according to its own merit instead of playing goodies and baddies?

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and traditions.But when a person comes into any group or country and rams those beliefs and traditions down the thought's of those already there he becomes a dictator.Tan is a dictator.Like any other.Dictators have their supporters'no doubt.But when dictators fall'as fall they always do'what happens to their supporters.Natman is entitled to his views'as are you.But to support a bully and a dictator like Tan'is in my view wrong.

Mate I love football and Cardiff City and my missus calls it my obsession and it has caused many arguments in my house, but your language seems to indicate that you've lost a little touch with reality.
However much I love my club, when I step back I like to think that I know that it's just football. The language of your post here makes me wonder if you see Vincent Tan in the same light as ICIS or Al Queada!!!

really frightening.........the hatred seems to grow within them, and its not about the Blue......its hate for hates sake

Drama queen alert!

It is about the blue.
And the badge.
Not Tan.

9 words waw...........and the only queen is you........

Was asked to post this in a thread all of it's own so here it goes;

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

There's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.

At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

Can I put forward some counter arguments to the points you raise which will hopefully then be debated sensibly in an adult manner (not much hope of that on this board I know).

Firstly , in the sense of fair play , Vincent Tan`s initial investment in the club and some of the money invested since was extremely welcome and no doubt kept the club afloat following the financial debacle that was the Sam Hammam and Peter Ridsdale era.

The stadium expansion and training ground investments are fine in theory , but both are very costly and probably both unnecessary. We already had an adequate training facility and a ground whose capacity was only just reached even in the Premier League (there were no games with a huge waiting lists for spare tickets).

The investment in players has also been great to me as a fan , but also very risky financially , in getting us to the Premier League and this paid off by earning the club a profit last season despite some glaring examples of financial mismanagement up to and including ownership level.

Corporate governance issues have clearly not been sorted at the club. In fact it has been shown to be a prime example of how not to exercise corporate governance - it has been shambolic. Also the deadwood has not been cleared out of the club - all the Malaysian directors other than Simon Lim remain (and he has been swapped for someone with a similar lack of knowledge and experience) yet make no apparent contribution to the club. And areas such as marketing , communication and PR have got more amateurish and embarrassing.

Cardiff Blues were going anyway , with or without VT as they couldn't afford the rent and wanted a way out ASAP. But the investment in the artificial lights for the pitch was good.

Our profile has been raised certainly , but hardly in a good way has it. Both football and business circles , in the UK and abroad , have regarded VT `s actions as questionable at best and ludicrous at worst.

Who benefits from the foreign club links? CCFC or VT personally in getting planning for his leisure developments in the area?What benefit will CCFC get?

You refer to a long term benefit for CCFC but don`t mention what that is or how it will manifest itself. Investment in the training ground is a cost that won`t generate income and the stand expansion will only do so to the extent of crowds over 28,000 (less the costs of servicing those extra crowds). Even if full every week , it would take over 5 years to just recoup the spend on it. Neither will turn an operating loss into an operating profit. Only SKY money can do that , and that would be earned at Premier level with or without the new stand or the new training ground (if that ever happens).

We have nor reduced risk by concentrating all debt into being due to one man (Hammam is still owed over £5m as well repayable over the next 5 years). Rather we have increased the risk to the club of one man`s ego and whims bringing it down financially if he cannot get his own way all the time. There is a very real point in converting debt to equity (as promised but reneged upon on several occasions now) - to eliminate that risk.

Although some are unnecessarily personally abusive towards VT , I think your reference to propaganda against him is very one sided. Remember , he controls an element of both the press and government policy back in Malaysia. Just because he doesn`t control the equivalents in this country in the same way just gives a more balanced view , not propaganda against him. Its not just the Welsh and British media that are critical of some of his actions and decisions - see also the press in the Far East ,Europe , USA etc.

You keep mentioning a long term plan to return the club to profitability , but don`t give any examples that stand up to the slightest scrutiny as to how what VT is doing is achieving that. The bare facts are that promotion to and staying in the Premier League is the only way to do it , with or without the need for large spends on stadium and new training facilities - money far better spent on improving the playing squad to get a promotion. It would also help to employ a few professional people in areas such as marketing and promotional work rather than employing "yes men" not up to the job , and maybe attracting advertising revenue at commercial rates rather than providing a cheap facility for VT`s foreign companies on match days.

One final point , if I may. You say about working with Vincent Tan rather than querying what he does. How does that work with a man who refuses to meet with fans to discuss these things and even refuses to listen to any of his own staff`s advice if it differs from what he wants to hear?

Was asked to post this in a thread all of it's own so here it goes;

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

There's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.

At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

Spot on and anyone who loves the City and has an ounce of sense would agree!

Was asked to post this in a thread all of it's own so here it goes;

Stadium expansion, training ground (going through planning permission), squad investment, premier league football (albeit for one season), backing Ole again in the transfer window to go straight back up, sorting out the governance issues at the club, clearing the debt owed to all and sundry, getting cardiff blues out of the stadium, raising our worldwide profile, donating money to local charities, pitch lighting, a wider club network (sarajevo etc.), clearing out the deadwood at the club etc etc etc

There's a long term plan here. He's developing the asset base of the club to help develop our balance sheet and turn us into a more attractive outfit. With putting all the infrastructure in place hopefully we can begin to turn that operating loss into an operating surplus. The aim is a debt free club and unless all those things (and possibly more) are developed then there is no way we can look to addressing not only our historical debt but the legacy of continually trading at a loss. If those key issues aren't addressed then we will be back to square one in no time at all. What's the point in him clearing our debt only to be years down the line and we just owe someone else exceptionally large amounts of money (in Cardiff's standards), it would just undo everything. So, with all that in mind what is the point in doing a wholesale 'debt to equity' swap in the immediate future when we'll just start going down the slippery slope all over again.

At the minute the money is all owed to Tan. For Tan the level of debt we have is more than serviceable and manageable whilst he is involved. Who owns the club? Tan! Who does the club owe money to? Tan! It's in his interests to make it work. The money is a drop in the ocean for him, but he has and is sticking with us and it will only be to both our benefit (Tan and the club). That's why I say we should be working together with Tan rather than the abuse he is getting on here, the abuse at games and the lies and propaganda that is spread about him. The Echo and the welsh media need to grow up, any sign of something good for the city and they can't wait to try and stick the boot in.

We've been seeing this long term plan developing and the wheels being put into motion all of last season. I say again, it's a long term plan to make us debt free and he's putting everything into place to achieve that over this past season and we will continue to see it. Time to work with him and get a return to blue than against him and then who knows what will happen?!?!?!?

Can I put forward some counter arguments to the points you raise which will hopefully then be debated sensibly in an adult manner (not much hope of that on this board I know).

Firstly , in the sense of fair play , Vincent Tan`s initial investment in the club and some of the money invested since was extremely welcome and no doubt kept the club afloat following the financial debacle that was the Sam Hammam and Peter Ridsdale era.

The stadium expansion and training ground investments are fine in theory , but both are very costly and probably both unnecessary. We already had an adequate training facility and a ground whose capacity was only just reached even in the Premier League (there were no games with a huge waiting lists for spare tickets).

The investment in players has also been great to me as a fan , but also very risky financially , in getting us to the Premier League and this paid off by earning the club a profit last season despite some glaring examples of financial mismanagement up to and including ownership level.

Corporate governance issues have clearly not been sorted at the club. In fact it has been shown to be a prime example of how not to exercise corporate governance - it has been shambolic. Also the deadwood has not been cleared out of the club - all the Malaysian directors other than Simon Lim remain (and he has been swapped for someone with a similar lack of knowledge and experience) yet make no apparent contribution to the club. And areas such as marketing , communication and PR have got more amateurish and embarrassing.

Cardiff Blues were going anyway , with or without VT as they couldn't afford the rent and wanted a way out ASAP. But the investment in the artificial lights for the pitch was good.

Our profile has been raised certainly , but hardly in a good way has it. Both football and business circles , in the UK and abroad , have regarded VT `s actions as questionable at best and ludicrous at worst.

Who benefits from the foreign club links? CCFC or VT personally in getting planning for his leisure developments in the area?What benefit will CCFC get?

You refer to a long term benefit for CCFC but don`t mention what that is or how it will manifest itself. Investment in the training ground is a cost that won`t generate income and the stand expansion will only do so to the extent of crowds over 28,000 (less the costs of servicing those extra crowds). Even if full every week , it would take over 5 years to just recoup the spend on it. Neither will turn an operating loss into an operating profit. Only SKY money can do that , and that would be earned at Premier level with or without the new stand or the new training ground (if that ever happens).

We have nor reduced risk by concentrating all debt into being due to one man (Hammam is still owed over £5m as well repayable over the next 5 years). Rather we have increased the risk to the club of one man`s ego and whims bringing it down financially if he cannot get his own way all the time. There is a very real point in converting debt to equity (as promised but reneged upon on several occasions now) - to eliminate that risk.

Although some are unnecessarily personally abusive towards VT , I think your reference to propaganda against him is very one sided. Remember , he controls an element of both the press and government policy back in Malaysia. Just because he doesn`t control the equivalents in this country in the same way just gives a more balanced view , not propaganda against him. Its not just the Welsh and British media that are critical of some of his actions and decisions - see also the press in the Far East ,Europe , USA etc.

You keep mentioning a long term plan to return the club to profitability , but don`t give any examples that stand up to the slightest scrutiny as to how what VT is doing is achieving that. The bare facts are that promotion to and staying in the Premier League is the only way to do it , with or without the need for large spends on stadium and new training facilities - money far better spent on improving the playing squad to get a promotion. It would also help to employ a few professional people in areas such as marketing and promotional work rather than employing "yes men" not up to the job , and maybe attracting advertising revenue at commercial rates rather than providing a cheap facility for VT`s foreign companies on match days.

One final point , if I may. You say about working with Vincent Tan rather than querying what he does. How does that work with a man who refuses to meet with fans to discuss these things and even refuses to listen to any of his own staff`s advice if it differs from what he wants to hear?

i think what was meant by working with him is more not working against him than having half a dozen people in an innercircle.........you say that nat doesnt explain VTs plan,then go on to say about how important the prem and sky money are......pretty sure thats what he meant.
the reality is for a club to be able to jump from one group or division to another risk and investment are needed.........PSG.Man City and Chelsea have all shown this........traditionally not big in terms of Europe have each thrown huge amounts to gain a place there...........its what Tan is attempting on a smaller scale

I think Natman Blue and CCFCsince62 have both written excellent articles, and both have put forward legitimate points of view. Only time will tell who is right, but it shows that there is no need for any abuse just because someone's point of view differs from your own. Personally, apart from the ridiculous change of shirt colour, I don't think Tan has been any worse than most of our previous owners, and he seems to have a vision for the long term future of the club rather than be in it for a quick profit. As far as the training ground etc. is concerned, if we wish to compete with the best, we need to match their facilities as much as is possible, to try and be on an equal footing when we are fighting to attract the players we need to make the progress we would all like to see.

All this identity stripped is rubbish all he has changed is the colour of a shirt which most of you complainers never used to wear anyway

Watch out pal be some hand grenades coming your way now

Tan didn't save this club from admin,he saved it from oblivion-a matter of record and deluded opinion or ignorance can't change that.Even the petulant chucklefucker can't argue with that.There would be no club to argue over if it wasn't for Tan yet the ignorant dummyspitters club think if you shout and abuse loud enough we'll all live happily ever after in div 2 with a blue team.

I agree he saved the club but he could of still saved it without changing our colours and as a businessman he is stupid to ignore the fans on this , he would of made a millions in merchandising sales last season with us in blue in the Prem , if he likes red all he had to do was make that our away kit and ironically he would of sold shed loads of them aswell

Why would he have made any more money in blue than red? If he never done the rebrand in the first place as the pensioner said it would only be kids etc wearing the shirts as normal not 40 year old blokes who now just wear them to make a point

There's been Infighting at Cardiff City as far back as I can remember...

I remember watching two guys fight in the grandstand over a Chris Pike debate FFS

From Owners to managers to players to certain fan elements
.. We've always been warring on the inside.

Just never on such a large scale as the Rebrand issue..

I wasn't on about fans arguing.

Tan didn't save this club from admin,he saved it from oblivion-a matter of record and deluded opinion or ignorance can't change that.Even the petulant chucklefucker can't argue with that.There would be no club to argue over if it wasn't for Tan yet the ignorant dummyspitters club think if you shout and abuse loud enough we'll all live happily ever after in div 2 with a blue team.

I agree he saved the club but he could of still saved it without changing our colours and as a businessman he is stupid to ignore the fans on this , he would of made a millions in merchandising sales last season with us in blue in the Prem , if he likes red all he had to do was make that our away kit and ironically he would of sold shed loads of them aswell

Why would he have made any more money in blue than red? If he never done the rebrand in the first place as the pensioner said it would only be kids etc wearing the shirts as normal not 40 year old blokes who now just wear them to make a point

because more people would of bought the 1st premier league shirt if it was in blue , and it's not only kids who wear replica shirts btw (admittedly more wearing now than before but adults still wore blue shirts before the rebrand)

Why would he have made any more money in blue than red? If he never done the rebrand in the first place as the pensioner said it would only be kids etc wearing the shirts as normal not 40 year old blokes who now just wear them to make a point

Surely that's pretty obvious... More people would have bought them.

It wouldn't only be kids wearing them, there are MANY people I know who bought the shirts before but won't touch them now.

Maybe Tan sees a bigger picture than selling more shirts in the club shop....

Maybe Tan sees a bigger picture than selling more shirts in the club shop....

& that would be??!

Of course, stuff the fans who actually attend & support the club financially, eh?! What a wonderful owner.

Maybe Tan sees a bigger picture than selling more shirts in the club shop....

& that would be??!

Of course, stuff the fans who actually attend & support the club financially, eh?! What a wonderful owner.

He wants to build a bigger club and one that can be branded abroad successfully. If Tan cared about club shop profits he would have gone back to blue already.

Most of the fans don't really care and just go along with the flow (Scarf-gate and last seasons blue scarf protests).

He wants to build a bigger club and one that can be branded abroad successfully. If Tan cared about club shop profits he would have gone back to blue already.

Most of the fans don't really care and just go along with the flow (Scarf-gate and last seasons blue scarf protests).

Well last season showed that what he wants doesn't work.

They do care, evidently. Maybe they've just realised how wrong the whole rebrand is.

Maybe Tan sees a bigger picture than selling more shirts in the club shop....

& that would be??!

Of course, stuff the fans who actually attend & support the club financially, eh?! What a wonderful owner.

All the clubs have stuffed their fans for years with their ridiculously overpriced shirts, admission fees, beer, burgers and merchandise. Every time I attend a game I know I'm being ripped off. Still do it though, it's like an addiction and becomes part of your life after 45 years of following them. Enjoyed it just as much years back when it was fairly cheap to watch, and players gave 100% even though they weren't earning a lot more then the average fan.

Why would he have made any more money in blue than red? If he never done the rebrand in the first place as the pensioner said it would only be kids etc wearing the shirts as normal not 40 year old blokes who now just wear them to make a point

Surely that's pretty obvious... More people would have bought them.

It wouldn't only be kids wearing them, there are MANY people I know who bought the shirts before but won't touch them now.

Well that's a positive Barry
Nothing worst than some old fat f**k in a football shirt.

Maybe Tan sees a bigger picture than selling more shirts in the club shop....

& that would be??!

Of course, stuff the fans who actually attend & support the club financially, eh?! What a wonderful owner.

He wants to build a bigger club and one that can be branded abroad successfully. If Tan cared about club shop profits he would have gone back to blue already.

Most of the fans don't really care and just go along with the flow (Scarf-gate and last seasons blue scarf protests).

dont doubt his original thoughts were broader than just the club shop..........but thats gone, he can not make the rebrand a success abroad with this amount of opposition ..anyone taking any sort of liking to our club will wonder why all the blue.
he is by his interviews offended by the abuse and name calling.......as i would be..so its war..
if i had loads of money, and a bunch of abusive Malaysians calling me a c**t or a wanker because i had turned their red club blue.......blue it would stay..... merchandise sales or not......

At the end of the day, we all have opinions and should Respect each others

Mine will always be that by changing/stripping Cardiff City of their 100 years of identity and the only one I have ever(BLUE) known for 43 years, to me Tan has there for killed anything good he could have or might have ever done for our club


I have been told most of the money for the new part of the Ninian Stand was funded for the Super Cup.

He wants to build a bigger club and one that can be branded abroad successfully. If Tan cared about club shop profits he would have gone back to blue already.

Most of the fans don't really care and just go along with the flow (Scarf-gate and last seasons blue scarf protests).

Well last season showed that what he wants doesn't work.

They do care, evidently. Maybe they've just realised how wrong the whole rebrand is.

I don't know what you are talking about there.

Hmm I think pretty much everyone was uneasy with it from the start but most realise that the clubs future is more important than it's past and still do.

Face Book opinions of Vincent Tan

Jo Bluearmy Barmy Blanchard total wankers,
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James Lewis Enemy's to the city
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Simon Underhill Clueless, success hungry, devoid of any morals Wankers
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Nigel Pepper Written by a relative.
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Again with the facebook......pointless

I think Natman Blue and CCFCsince62 have both written excellent articles, and both have put forward legitimate points of view. Only time will tell who is right, but it shows that there is no need for any abuse just because someone's point of view differs from your own. Personally, apart from the ridiculous change of shirt colour, I don't think Tan has been any worse than most of our previous owners, and he seems to have a vision for the long term future of the club rather than be in it for a quick profit. As far as the training ground etc. is concerned, if we wish to compete with the best, we need to match their facilities as much as is possible, to try and be on an equal footing when we are fighting to attract the players we need to make the progress we would all like to see.

I agree two excellent posts from either side of the argument.

Again with the facebook......pointless

Agreed, some of them might not even be City fans and a lot of the ones that comment on Facebook pages are idiots.

Again with the facebook......pointless

100% agree.

At the end of the day, we all have opinions and should Respect each others

Mine will always be that by changing/stripping Cardiff City of their 100 years of identity and the only one I have ever(BLUE) known for 43 years, to me Tan has there for killed anything good he could have or might have ever done for our club


I have been told most of the money for the new part of the Ninian Stand was funded for the Super Cup.

well turning us red in itself has had no benefit......that is a fact...
the divide in our fans is actually about how we get the blue back......you can never ever accept the red.. without abuse and without offending him personally.......
if every single fan or the large majority had turned up with blue tops or blue scarves on day one it would never have even had a foothold...i myself will never accept the red in my heart as im a bluebird.........but like most others i did nothing of note at the time accepted the investment {investment id always dreamed of tbh }, and now think its a bit much to be abusing him now....two years ago was the time for showing him the door, we didnt

Annis. Why do you keep saying tan agreed to convert within days? It's not true and has been proven time and time again.

Annis. Why do you keep saying tan agreed to convert within days? It's not true and has been proven time and time again.

more is the point...........the club has continued to loan money.....debt to equity at any given point in time would mean debt free club for 5 minutes...........i dont believe this being brought up is any more than a stick to hit Tan with tbh

Annis. Why do you keep saying tan agreed to convert within days? It's not true and has been proven time and time again.

more is the point...........the club has continued to loan money.....debt to equity at any given point in time would mean debt free club for 5 minutes...........i dont believe this being brought up is any more than a stick to hit Tan with tbh

You're right. Without a change in the profit and loss columns a debt to equity swap is just pointless as we'd still be heading in the same direction. The infrastructure is being built to change that, we need to give tan the time.

In regards to the stadium expansion. If that is true then even better! Though I doubt that with a host of available stadiums that uefa would pay to develop one. If it is true then well done Cardiff for capitalising on a funding opportunity!